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Michael F. Haynes

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Jun 11, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/11/96
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These would be, finally, the poll results. #s in Parens indicate first
place vo
tes. The first, larger, number is the total number of points (25 for a
1st place
vote, 24 for 2nd, etc.) and the second is the # of ballots on which the
school w
as selected. There were 61 ballots. That means that every school was
left off a
t least *two* ballots.


Georgia Tech 1383 57
Virginia 1344 59
Michigan 1322 59
Maryland 1311 56
Harvard 1166 57
Cornell 1100 57
Berkeley 974 55
Princeton 906 56
Iowa State 878 53
Illinois 855 51
Oklahoma 756 55
Chicago 748 57
Stanford 593 49
Minnesota 554 50
Emory 494 46
Iowa 490 41
MIT 470 49
Johns Hopkins 451 42
BYU 388 41
North Carolina 365 34
Western Michigan 328 43
Dartmouth 271 36
South Carolina 252 19
Florida 251 25
UT - Dallas 196 27

Tennessee 157 18
George Washington 152 22
Penn 150 28
Ohio State 149 21
Swarthmore 128 19
Duke 111 17
Rice 86 15
Utah 84 15
Vanderbilt 61 12
Penn State 54 12
Auburn University Montgomery 51 5
North Carolina State U 48 7
Wisconsin 47 9
University of South Alabama 45 3
Bowling Green 41 9
Auburn 35 4
Washington University 30 5
Georgia 28 3
Houston 26 7
Yale 26 4
University of Miami 26 2
University of Memphis 25 4
Roanoke 21 2
Florida State 21 1
Mississippi State 19 1
Michigan State U. 17 2
Missouri 17 2
Carleton College 16 3
Oglethorpe 16 3
Kentucky 16 1
Wofford 16 1
Boston U 15 4
SIU - Carbondale 15 3
Wake Forest 15 1
UM - Rolla 14 3
Methodist 14 1
Randolph-Macon 12 2
Arizona State 12 1
Williams 11 5
Virginia Tech 11 2
UNC-Greensboro 11 1
Alabama 10 2
Louisiana State 10 1
UC - Davis 8 2
University of Arizona 8 1
UT - Austin 7 4
Portland Community College 6 2
Georgia State 6 1
Valpariso 5 2
Wichita State 4 3
Arkansas 4 2
Missouri - Columbia 4 2
Berry 3 2
University of Pittsburgh 3 2
Quincy 3 1
Columbia 2 1
TCU 2 1
Caltech 1 1
Delaware 1 1
UMKC 1 1
Worcester Polytechnic Institute 1 1
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Ben Weiss

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Jun 11, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/11/96
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On 11 Jun 96 01:51:43 GMT,
Michael F. Haynes <mha...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu > wrote:

[intro snipped]

I'd be curious to see the list of which schools submitted ballots, but
overall, I think the three-votes-per-school thing played a decent equalizer
role.


>
>
>Georgia Tech 1383 57
>Virginia 1344 59
>Michigan 1322 59
>Maryland 1311 56
>Harvard 1166 57
>Cornell 1100 57
>Berkeley 974 55
>Princeton 906 56
>Iowa State 878 53
>Illinois 855 51

Well, this is one poll in which nobody can complain about a CBI bias.
Four ACF-only schools in the Top 10, including one at #1; Michigan's
only third; and very high rankings for Harvard and Iowa State, both of
which did much better at ACF and the circuit than at CBI. (Note: I am
NOT complaining about any of this--I voted Michigan #1, but I haven't
seen Tech play this year.)

>Oklahoma 756 55
>Chicago 748 57

Not very high performances at either NCT (although getting past
the sorely underrated Wisconsin in CBI is an accomplishment), but the
Sheahan factor still affects placement.

>Stanford 593 49
>Minnesota 554 50

Ahh...respect. :) Seems that the CBI NCT gave us some wider exposure;
we used to appear on fairly few ballots (partly as a result of not
playing full teams at invitationals).

>Emory 494 46
>Iowa 490 41

A very well-deserved high ranking.

>MIT 470 49
>Johns Hopkins 451 42
>BYU 388 41
>North Carolina 365 34
>Western Michigan 328 43
>Dartmouth 271 36
>South Carolina 252 19

Did Tom Waters play this year, or is there another (obviously strong,
from their average) SC team?

>Florida 251 25
>UT - Dallas 196 27
>

Not the exact same Top 25 I'd pick, but a pretty good list.
Interesting difference in votes between #25 and #26.
Ben

The Freshmaker

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Jun 13, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/13/96
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In article <78015.w...@gold.tc.umn.edu>,

Ben Weiss <weis...@gold.tc.umn.edu> wrote:
>On 11 Jun 96 01:51:43 GMT,
>Michael F. Haynes <mha...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu > wrote:
>I'd be curious to see the list of which schools submitted ballots, but
>overall, I think the three-votes-per-school thing played a decent equalizer
>role.

Witness the scandalous drop of the University of South Alabama as confirmation
of this. As anyone drop so far, so fast?

>>Georgia Tech 1383 57
>>Virginia 1344 59
>>Michigan 1322 59
>>Maryland 1311 56

Maryland was certainly one of the few schools to be even somewhat competitive
against GT this year- they may have a more legitimate claim to #2. Although I
do find it very interesting that Michigan gets #3 despite beating Virginia at
CBI NCT. Granted, there is not much difference here, but it may reflect a
general distrust of the relevancy of the CBI NCT in such a ranking system.
And GT was left off 4 ballots? Hmmm....

>>Harvard 1166 57
>>Cornell 1100 57
>>Berkeley 974 55
>>Princeton 906 56
>>Iowa State 878 53
>>Illinois 855 51
>
>Well, this is one poll in which nobody can complain about a CBI bias.
>Four ACF-only schools in the Top 10, including one at #1; Michigan's
>only third; and very high rankings for Harvard and Iowa State, both of
>which did much better at ACF and the circuit than at CBI. (Note: I am
>NOT complaining about any of this--I voted Michigan #1, but I haven't
>seen Tech play this year.)

And Illinois is finally getting some respect. I don't know who they are
losing, if anyone, but they should only improve with time (although if they
lose James Anderson, it will be a harder task). And Ben raises an interesting
point: ACF and circuit performance may be getting more preference than CBI.

If you vote, how do you weigh the different factors?


>>South Carolina 252 19
>
>Did Tom Waters play this year, or is there another (obviously strong,
>from their average) SC team?

Tom played at the UVA tournament, where South Carolina won. I don't know what
else he played during the year. But he was awfully impressive (as always) at
that tournament.

[snip]

John

Arthur James Fleming

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Jun 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/16/96
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What the heck, we need an on-topic post.

In article <78015.w...@gold.tc.umn.edu> "Ben Weiss" <weis...@gold.tc.


umn.edu> writes:
> On 11 Jun 96 01:51:43 GMT,
> Michael F. Haynes <mha...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu > wrote:
>
> [intro snipped]
>
> I'd be curious to see the list of which schools submitted ballots, but
> overall, I think the three-votes-per-school thing played a decent equalizer
> role.

It's interesting that every school received an integral number of votes
despite the scaling. Did this not come into play? Did no school submit
more than three ballots?

> >Georgia Tech 1383 57
> >Virginia 1344 59
> >Michigan 1322 59
> >Maryland 1311 56
> >Harvard 1166 57
> >Cornell 1100 57
> >Berkeley 974 55
> >Princeton 906 56
> >Iowa State 878 53
> >Illinois 855 51
>
> Well, this is one poll in which nobody can complain about a CBI bias.
> Four ACF-only schools in the Top 10, including one at #1; Michigan's
> only third; and very high rankings for Harvard and Iowa State, both of
> which did much better at ACF and the circuit than at CBI. (Note: I am
> NOT complaining about any of this--I voted Michigan #1, but I haven't
> seen Tech play this year.)

Also, no one can complain about a pro-East bias. 4 of the top 10, and 12
out of 25 overall from west of the Appalachians.

[snip-o-rama]

> Missouri 17 2


> Missouri - Columbia 4 2

If we follow the state-name-only-means-system's-main-campus convention,
aren't these two the same thing? Maybe someone out there can verify this.

--
Arthur J. Fleming

" "
-John Cage

Michael F. Haynes

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Jun 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/18/96
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ajf...@wam.umd.edu (Arthur James Fleming) writes:

>It's interesting that every school received an integral number of votes
>despite the scaling. Did this not come into play? Did no school submit
>more than three ballots?

Only two schools did so, if memory serves. The >3 ballots were lumped
together and their composite Top 25 were their Top 25.

>If we follow the state-name-only-means-system's-main-campus convention,
>aren't these two the same thing? Maybe someone out there can verify this.

I just went with what people put down on their ballots in the Missouri
campus' cases. To be honest, I don't know which is the main campus in
Missouri OR which teams (other than Rolla) actually play.

Scott Gillispie

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Jun 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/18/96
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>[snip-o-rama]
>
>> Missouri 17 2


>> Missouri - Columbia 4 2
>

>If we follow the state-name-only-means-system's-main-campus
convention,
>aren't these two the same thing? Maybe someone out there can verify
this.
>

>--
>Arthur J. Fleming
>
Hey, Arthur - do you play at Maryland or at College Park now?

FSG
"On the whole, I'd rather be in...Delhi?"


Scott Coon

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Jun 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/18/96
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Could somebody please either forward the original poll results post to
me or repost it? I was out of town for a while, and the spamming forced
the message off our spool faster than usual.

Thanks,
Scott Coon
co...@math.uiuc.edu

Matt Colvin

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Jun 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/19/96
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In article <mhaynes....@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>,

Michael F. Haynes <mha...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu> wrote:
>ajf...@wam.umd.edu (Arthur James Fleming) writes:
>
>>It's interesting that every school received an integral number of votes
>>despite the scaling. Did this not come into play? Did no school submit
>>more than three ballots?
>
>Only two schools did so, if memory serves. The >3 ballots were lumped
>together and their composite Top 25 were their Top 25.

Since this is the case, could you post the number of #1 votes each school
received? Or did Georgia Tech get them all? Every previous poll has
included this information.

Matt

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