Top 20 results
Patrick G. Matthews
PTS = Total points school received
BAL = Number of ballots school appeared on
AVG = Average position school had on ballots it appeared on
PTS BAL AVG
1. University of Chicago (28.5) 741.5 38 1.49
2. University of Maryland (3.5) 686 37 2.46
3. Harvard University 548 38 6.58
4t. Georgia Institute of Technology 522 35 6.09
4t. Vanderbilt University (1) 522 36 6.50
6. University of Virginia (5) 494.5 29 3.95
7. Swarthmore College 360 33 10.09
8. Massachusetts Institute of Technology 344 32 10.25
9. University of Michigan 321 21 5.71
10. Western Michigan University 313 29 10.21
11. Dartmouth College 275 26 10.42
12. Stanford University 220 20 10.00
13. Princeton University 210 24 12.25
14. North Carolina State University 205.5 24 12.44
15. University of Minnesota 203 22 11.77
16. University of Illinois - Urbana 187 25 13.52
17. The George Washington University 179 24 13.54
18. University of Pennsylvania 167 24 14.04
19. University of Tennennessee - Knoxville 160 16 11.00
20. University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill 154.5 18 12.42
Others receiving votes: Emory 152, Penn State 126, Pitt 88, Wisconsin 87,
Florida 65, Williams 65, Duke 48, Rice 46, Rutgers 43, Boston University
41, Berry 40, Washington University in St. Louis 39, Carleton 33, Brigham
Young 22, Georgia State 22, Cornell 20, Cal-Berkeley 12, Brandeis 11,
Stetson 10, Oglethorpe 8, Johns Hopkins 7, Auburn-Montgomery 6, Case
Western 6, UNC-Wilmington 6, Puget Sound 5, Beloit 4, Cal-Davis 4,
SUNY-Albany 3, SUNY-Binghampton 2, Dickinson 1, Kentucky 1, Middle
Tennessee State 1.
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Patrick G. Matthews
The next poll will be conducted after CB regionals. That leaves roughly 8
invitationals, ACF regionals, and CB regionals before the next poll.
matt...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick G. Matthews) writes:
>PTS = Total points school received
>BAL = Number of ballots school appeared on
>AVG = Average position school had on ballots it appeared on
I added the "ballots appearing" and "average position" so that we'd have
some more things to think about (and post about :)
> PTS BAL AVG
> 1. University of Chicago (28.5) 741.5 38 1.49
> 2. University of Maryland (3.5) 686 37 2.46
^^
One person left them off a ballot. I know who you are :)
> 4t. Vanderbilt University (1) 522 36 6.50
> 6. University of Virginia (5) 494.5 29 3.95
Big show-down in Region 5! Virginia was rated high by those that bothered
to put them on the ballot, but since they haven't travelled yet many left
them off the ballot.
> 7. Swarthmore College 360 33 10.09
Swarthmore makes (I *think*) its debut in the Top 20 after a strong fall
season.
> 9. University of Michigan 321 21 5.71
>10. Western Michigan University 313 29 10.21
Another key regional match-up. Michigan hasn't travelled yet, so they made
barely more than half the ballots, but those that voted for Michigan
showed the Wolverines a lot of respect at 5.71. Can Western Michigan
unseat them?
>11. Dartmouth College 275 26 10.42
Will Schuerzinger & Co. have the right stuff to take out Harvard? Will Ted
take a third consecutive Penn Bowl MVP?
>17. The George Washington University 179 24 13.54
Watch that definite article :)
>18. University of Pennsylvania 167 24 14.04
Will Penn get its act together in time for regionals? With strong teams
from Swarthmore, Princeton, and Rutgers, Penn's four-year reign in Region
3 may be at an end.
>19. University of Tennennessee - Knoxville 160 16 11.00
>20. University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill 154.5 18 12.42
Two Southeast teams who appeared on fewer than half the ballots, but made
it on good average position.
Pat
Matthew Alexander Colvin
> Here are my comments on the second Top 20 Poll.
[comments on positions 1-20 deleted]
> >19. University of Tennennessee - Knoxville 160 16 11.00
> >20. University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill 154.5 18
12.42
>
> Two Southeast teams who appeared on fewer than half the ballots, but
made
> it on good average position.
>
That's it exactly. Anyone who saw Tennessee play (let alone lost
a match to them) would have put them higher than 11th. And they are
certainly not the 19th best in the nation.
It's a real shame that Tennessee hasn't travelled more. I played
against them at Wesselmania (on U. of Maryland B) and they were quite
impressive. If my memory serves me right, they claimed second at that
tourney, behind Maryland A -- and they lost a squeaker even to them.
Their best player, Bronson (I think that's his name), is one of the best
I've seen. I put Tennessee somewhere in the top 5 on my ballot, and I
have little doubt that they would have placed higher had they travelled to
more northern tournaments and impressed more voters.
2 cents deposited. Over and out.
Matt Colvin
Matt Bruce
: That's it exactly. Anyone who saw Tennessee play (let alone lost
: a match to them) would have put them higher than 11th. And they are
: certainly not the 19th best in the nation.
Same Tennessee players who were at last year's ACF nationals? That was a
good team, gave us (then Harv. B) a tough match the last round Friday
evening. I remember a guy with very long hair who was really good; was
that Bronson?
-m
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>Matthew Alexander Colvin (pto...@next16csc.wam.umd.edu) wrote:
>
>
>Same Tennessee players who were at last year's ACF nationals? That was a
>good team, gave us (then Harv. B) a tough match the last round Friday
>evening. I remember a guy with very long hair who was really good; was
>that Bronson?
>
>-m
>
The guy with long hair is me, that is, Damian. Bronson is my brother. He is
better than me, right now at least. But I am getting better.
BTW, I don't have so much hair anymore.
And yes, we should be at least a little higher. Between Bronson, Allie (the
best active female player in the nation), and Jason (one heck of a guy) we are
much more than okay.
It's easy to have an ego with teammates like these.
Damian K. Messer
Doug O'Neal
> The guy with long hair is me, that is, Damian. Bronson is my brother. He is
> better than me, right now at least. But I am getting better.
> BTW, I don't have so much hair anymore.
> And yes, we should be at least a little higher. Between Bronson, Allie (the
> best active female player in the nation), and Jason (one heck of a guy) we
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Better than Sara of Johns Hopkins and Julie of Western Michigan? Seems
like it'd be hard to make such blanket statements.... Sara, unfortunately,
doesn't have much of a supporting cast any more. (I hope she's feeling
well and that plans for a rescheduled Buttafuoco Bowl are coming along.)
>are much more than okay.
> It's easy to have an ego with teammates like these.
> Damian K. Messer
Doug
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Matt Bruce
: And yes, we should be at least a little higher. Between Bronson, Allie (the
: best active female player in the nation), and Jason (one heck of a guy) we
: ----------------------------------------
Doug responded:
Better than Sara of Johns Hopkins and Julie of Western Michigan? Seems
: like it'd be hard to make such blanket statements.... Sara, unfortunately,
: doesn't have much of a supporting cast any more. (I hope she's feeling
: well and that plans for a rescheduled Buttafuoco Bowl are coming along.)
Just who is the best female player in the nation? That would actually be
a far more interesting discussion than Dart-Ted vs. UMCP-Vishnu or ACF vs.
ACUI, and probably far less flame-ish. It's a shame more women don't
participate. Alex Trebek once said (on air) that his theory was that,
genetically, woman on average don't have as great buzzer speed. I don't
know if that's true, but with exactly two exceptions the great female
players I've seen in h.s./college were all high-knowledge, average-buzzer
people. (not to oversimplify, but i.e. ACF-types)
-Matt
Doug O'Neal
Re: female players. Alex Trebek also once said that out of people who
try out for Jeopardy, men and women qualify at about the same rate,
so the reason there are more men on the show is that there are more
men who try out. My theory is that if you have a man and a woman who
are both intelligent and knowledgable, the man is more likely to be
arrogant enough about it to show off in trivia games. Isn't that what
CB/ACF/Jeopardy are about? I resemble that remark myself.
FWIW, Sara McHugh and Rebecca Sokolofski (Williams, class of 1991 I think)
are the only women I've ever seen be named tournament all stars. There
are doubtless others, but I wasn't at those tournaments.
Comments from the female side of things? Ilene, if you're reading this?
Doug
Scotti Z. Whitmire
>
>Re: female players. Alex Trebek also once said that out of people who
>try out for Jeopardy, men and women qualify at about the same rate,
>so the reason there are more men on the show is that there are more
>men who try out. My theory is that if you have a man and a woman who
>are both intelligent and knowledgable, the man is more likely to be
>arrogant enough about it to show off in trivia games. Isn't that what
>CB/ACF/Jeopardy are about? I resemble that remark myself.
That might be true. I haven't really come up with a good theory
about why there aren't more women playing -- maybe since there
aren't many now, others don't want to join. I don't believe
in sweeping generalizations about women like women are slower
to the buzzer. I think my buzzer speed is a little better
than average -- though I really prefer ACF, I seem to play well
in timed matches with quick questions. As for who the best female
player is, anybody got any stats? I'll agree with Damian's
assessment that it's Alli until I hear proof otherwise.
(Someday maybe all this will be moot, as it will clearly be me. ;) ;)
On another subject, time to put in a little more bragging --
UT's second team ain't shabby either. At least 3 of our players
have put in top 20 (and at least 2 top 15) individual finishes
at big tourneys. :)
Further responses? I think this is an interesting question...
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crazy...
>>Re: female players. Alex Trebek also once said that out of people who
>>try out for Jeopardy, men and women qualify at about the same rate,
>>so the reason there are more men on the show is that there are more
>>men who try out. My theory is that if you have a man and a woman who
>>are both intelligent and knowledgable, the man is more likely to be
>>arrogant enough about it to show off in trivia games. Isn't that what
>>CB/ACF/Jeopardy are about? I resemble that remark myself.
>
>That might be true. I haven't really come up with a good theory
>about why there aren't more women playing -- maybe since there
>aren't many now, others don't want to join. I don't believe
>in sweeping generalizations about women like women are slower
>to the buzzer. I think my buzzer speed is a little better
>than average -- though I really prefer ACF, I seem to play well
>in timed matches with quick questions. As for who the best female
>player is, anybody got any stats? I'll agree with Damian's
>assessment that it's Alli until I hear proof otherwise.
>(Someday maybe all this will be moot, as it will clearly be me. ;) ;)
>On another subject, time to put in a little more bragging --
>UT's second team ain't shabby either. At least 3 of our players
>have put in top 20 (and at least 2 top 15) individual finishes
>at big tourneys. :)
YES!!! I am sorry! I did not mean to slight the second and even third teams
from grand ole' Ut!!! It was late! I am sorry! But seriously, it's wonderful
playing at a school with so many awesome players. It makes practice a heck of
a lot of fun...
>
>Further responses? I think this is an interesting question...
>
>--Scotti Whitmire + Bill sings to Sarah. Sarah sings to Bill.
>wsc...@utkvx.utk.edu + ...They have love but they also have
>wsc...@utkvx.bitnet + typewriters. That is interesting.--Racter,
>wsc...@utkux.utk.edu + _The Policeman's Beard is Half Constructed_
Damie
Ilene Morgan
I haven't had enough exposure to College Bowl tournaments to be sure, but
based on my own experiences and observations it seems that the most pronounced
general difference between men and women participants is that women are less
aggressive in interrupt situations than men are. I know that I'm not as
aggressive as I think I should be. I feel as if I could fine-tune my
ability to know how soon to ring in with a couple of years of seasoning;
since those couple of years of seasoning aren't going to happen, I probably
will never find out. In any case, it seems as if men are naturally more
willing to risk ringing in early, and it seems to pay off more often than it
is punished.
It would be interesting to look at the statistics from a tournament and
compare the correct/penalty ratio for men and women with similar averages.
Anyone have this data available?
On Jeopardy, all contestants must wait until Alex finishes reading the
question, so there is no interrupt factor, and as a long-time Jeopardy
fan I haven't noticed the women having trouble buzzing in compared to the
men.
Just my $.02--
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David Dixon
Ilene Morgan <mor...@math.psu.edu> wrote:
>
>On Jeopardy, all contestants must wait until Alex finishes reading the
>question, so there is no interrupt factor, and as a long-time Jeopardy
>fan I haven't noticed the women having trouble buzzing in compared to the
>men.
>
You got that right. When I was on Jeopardy earlier this year, the
returning champion, who was female, beat me to the buzzer almost every
time. J! is more of a reflex race than a knowledge competition.
D^2
Ted Schuerzinger
(Matt Bruce) wrote:
>
> Damian wrote:
> : And yes, we should be at least a little higher. Between Bronson, Allie (the
> : best active female player in the nation), and Jason (one heck of a guy) we
> : ----------------------------------------
> :
> Doug responded:
>
> Better than Sara of Johns Hopkins and Julie of Western Michigan? Seems
> : like it'd be hard to make such blanket statements.... Sara, unfortunately,
> : doesn't have much of a supporting cast any more. (I hope she's feeling
> : well and that plans for a rescheduled Buttafuoco Bowl are coming along.)
>
> Just who is the best female player in the nation? That would actually be
> a far more interesting discussion than Dart-Ted vs. UMCP-Vishnu or ACF vs.
OK -- Now that I'm finally back (!), what have you been saying about me?
:-)
In case you're wondering, I will be back in action at Penn Bowl, but I
don't know yet just how much of a supporting cast I'm going to have. Our
dictatorial acting-President is trying to put the best people on a team
with him, but then again, this should probably all remain inside Dartmouth
College Bowl.... :-)
--Ted Schuerzinger
Finance Director, Dartmouth Broadcasting
fe...@Dartmouth.EDU
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Ted Schuerzinger
>
>
> Re: female players. Alex Trebek also once said that out of people who
> try out for Jeopardy, men and women qualify at about the same rate,
> so the reason there are more men on the show is that there are more
> men who try out.
On the other hand, I've been watching the new Jeopardy! ever since it came
on the air in '84, and I think this year was the first time that a woman
made it to the finals of the Tournament of Champions.
To be honest, I doubt that one sex is better than the other at Jeopardy!,
although I think there have been studies that show men tend to do better at
math, spatial relations and other stuff like that, while women tend to to
better at things like English and verbal skills. This raises the question
of whether Jeopardy! has more to do with either of these categories.
Also, remember that earlier this year a former producer for Jeopardy!
claimed that they were using questions biased in favor of women.... :-)
> Doug
BTW: On the topic of good women players, Rebecca from BU (sorry I don't
know the last name) is pretty good on literature questions....
Peter Keshavan
#BTW: On the topic of good women players, Rebecca from BU (sorry I don't
#know the last name) is pretty good on literature questions....
Golden. She's also extremely reliable on those "historically oppressed"
questions that tend to appear in every CBI packet.
#--Ted Schuerzinger
#Finance Director, Dartmouth Broadcasting
#fe...@Dartmouth.EDU
#"Apostrophe's [sic] are not used in plural's [sic]." -- Anonymous
Yeah, and avoid commas, which aren't necessary.
Peter Keshavan
GUILMARTIN, LORE ANN
>In article <fedya-100...@kip-sn-186.dartmouth.edu> fe...@Dartmouth.EDU (Ted Schuerzinger) writes:
>#BTW: On the topic of good women players, Rebecca from BU (sorry I don't
.. and of course let's not neglect to mention Phoebe Jewell, the winner
of the most recent Jeopardy college championship! Phoebe played on the
Texas A&M regional team at least twice. Alas, she moved to
Grinnell, and then went pro on us...
PHOEBE MANIA . . . CATCH IT!
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