Pulling the string-Part 1
Virginia
I compiled the following information.
So...........Attention any net-savvy lurkers, please review the following
data regarding crossmatching IP's of primarily anonymous alias's, and give
me your feedback.
Virginia
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Author Underdog, to Freethought^2, to Vector...etc IP and NYM crossmatching:
additional
virginia
Moderator
Joined: Nov 14, 2001
Posts: 492
From: Post Falls, Idaho
Posted: 2002-01-14 03:38
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I will just repost my original, and then the additional data so it's easier
to follow, and all in one place.
Virginia
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Hi everyone,
Well, I wasn't sure how best to do this, as a database is really the best
way to fully appreciate all the twists and turns and connections of what I'm
about to post about.
But, this is a post, and I have noticed tables don't transfer well when I
have tried before.
I'll just start at the beginning, of how I came to be pulling a string that
keeps going and going and going...
Talk about down the rabbit hole!
So, as you know not too long ago I did a couple posts about what Ralphie and
Bernd had been up to, as well as a poster named "underdog" who seemed to
have access to some extremely limited information.
As in limited to Vast (Daniel), and Marianne Hagen primarily. Although the
data "underdog" posted was altered, still, there was just enough truth
thrown here and there to be interesting.
Privately, Mike and I have been apprised that apparently, Marianne and
Daniel have their own behind the scenes activities occurring, similar to
what Ralph and Bernd have been up to.
I decided to check into this "underdog" character, who ALSO posts on this
board.
And away we go..............................
Pay attention to all details folks, including the who is Ip data I put
there, it will be important later.
I was originally going to wait to post this until I had it all typed up and
done, but I believe it is better to start getting the data out, in parts.
This will be part one.
"Underdog" joined this board on November 12, 2001.
Underdog uses 4 IP's to post from:
1.
12.73.230.152
nslookup 12.73.230.152
Canonical name: 152.houston-16-17rs.tx.dial-access.att.net
Provider: AT&T ITS (NET-ATT)
200 Laurel Avenue South
Middletown, NJ 07748
US
2.
172.170.85.67
nslookup 172.170.85.67
Canonical name: ACAA5543.ipt.aol.com
Provider: America Online, Inc. (NETBLK-AOL-172BLK)
12100 Sunrise Valley Drive
Reston, VA 20191 US
3.
216.142.233.105
nslookup 216.142.233.105
Canonical name: proxy.sjc.marketscore.com
Providers:Broadwing Communications, Inc. (NET-BROADWING-NET)
1122 Capital of Texas Hwy. Austin, TX 78726-6426 US
and:
Comscore Networks (NETBLK-BRW-4987-COMSCORENET)
1700 Richards Ave.
Santa Clara, CA 95050
US
4.
216.155.96.11
nslookup 216.155.96.11
Canonical name: horus.acceleration.net
Provider: Accelerated Data Works, Inc. (NETBLK-ADW-BLK-1)
2831 NW 41st Street, Suite B Gainesville, FL 32606 US
Ok, now that I am a moderator, I have access to the old board records as
well as the new.
In a look up of all the old board posters and their IP's, I found a match.
Freethought2's IP (who also uses multiple IP's), matched exactly with nbr 3
above, of Underdog's.
Freethought2, on November 5th at 7:39AM posted using IP: 216.142.233.105,
on:
Thread: Attn: Board and Mike Hunsaker Board Ethics!
Message 11624
and also with same IP on November 5th 6:39am
Thread: Pure theta wins from Standard LRH tech
Message 11621
Now I should mention that Ralphie posted on thread: My observations, one day
prior, November 4th, that he would provide IP's.
Freethought2 posted with the IP 216.142.233.105, starting on November 5th,
and was the only nym associated with that IP on the old board.
Again, the aliases Freethought2 and Underdog, use IP 216.142.233.105.
Next I pulled down what other IP's did Freethought2 post under:
(for brevity on some of these I will just put etc where the same basic IP is
used repeatedly, UNLESS there is an exact match with another alias in which
case that full IP will be noted)
1.
64.0.99.201
nslookup 64.0.99.201
Canonical name: proxy.or3.marketscore.com
Provider:XO Communications (NET-XOXO-BLK-14)
1400 Parkmoor Avenue
San Jose, CA 95126-3429
US
(note the similarity in canonical name as 3 above of underdog)
2.
216.142.233.105
nslookup 216.142.233.105
Canonical name: proxy.sjc.marketscore.com
Providers:Broadwing Communications, Inc. (NET-BROADWING-NET)
1122 Capital of Texas Hwy. Austin, TX 78726-6426 US
and:
Comscore Networks (NETBLK-BRW-4987-COMSCORENET)
1700 Richards Ave.
Santa Clara, CA 95050
US
3.
64.210.241.103
nslookup 64.210.241.103
Canonical name: proxy.ia4.marketscore.com
Providers: Global Crossing (NET-GBLX-11)
960 Hamlin Court
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
US
and
Comscore-IAD COLO (NETBLK-FGC-REQ000000008656)
1761 Business Center Drive
Reston, VA 20190
US
(note similarity in canonical name as freethought2 nbr 1 above, and 3 of
Underdog)
4.
63.214.64.155
nslookup 63.214.64.155
Canonical name: dialup-63.214.64.155.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net
Provider: Level 3 Communications, Inc. (NETBLK-LEVEL4-CIDR)
1450 Infinite Drive Louisville, CO 80027 US
5.
216.67.8.35
nslookup 216.67.8.35
No reverse DNS (WSANO_DATA)
Provider:NaviPath (NET-NAVIPATH1)
800 Federal Street
Andover, MA 01810
US
6.
(there are a lot of extensions of this same basic IP-for brevity I will just
show key ones where other nyms are introduced)
12.91.0.14
nslookup 12.91.0.14
Canonical name: 14.cambridge-01-02rs.ma.dial-access.att.net
whois -h whois.arin.net 12.91.0.14 ...
AT&T ITS (NET-ATT)
200 Laurel Avenue South
Middletown, NJ 07748
US
12.91.0.251
uses the nym Truth
12.91.0.99
uses the nym Truth
12.91.1.162
uses the nym Agent of the Undead
12.91.1.247
posts as Rudy
12.91.3.8912.91.3.89
posts as ?
12.91.3.9
uses the nym Truth and CST Insider
12.91.5.96
posts as John
12.91.6.195
uses nym Miss Cleo, Hungry Now, and Hidingmydouble
12.91.6.86
Truth
(note: all of the above,even where new nyms are introduced, are ALSO posted
from using the nym Freethought^2)
Ok, now using the IP's I reverse searched to see if other nyms match.
And down the rabbit hole even further we go..
An exact match for the nym "Vector" who has posted to the old board as early
as February 2001.
Exact match with nbr 3 IP of Freethought2, above.
So, starting with that, we search again for what other IP's the nym "Vector"
may lead too.
Posts as "Vector"
1.
64.210.241.103
nslookup 64.210.241.103
Canonical name: proxy.ia4.marketscore.com
Providers: Global Crossing (NET-GBLX-11)
960 Hamlin Court
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
US
and
Comscore-IAD COLO (NETBLK-FGC-REQ000000008656)
1761 Business Center Drive
Reston, VA 20190
US
EXACT MATCH freethought^2 (nbr 3 above). Note similarity in canonical name
between freethought nbr 1,2 and underdog 3 as well.
2.
216.34.56.12
nslookup 216.34.56.12
Canonical name: proxy.sjc.netsetter.com
Exodus Commnications Inc. (NETBLK-ECI-7)
1605 Wyatt Dr. Santa Clara, CA
95054US
US
And now we have a new twist of the entrance of the use of foreign IP's..
3.
61.214.86.235
nslookup 61.214.86.235
Canonical name: p1235-ipad12osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp
Japan Network Information Center
address: Kokusai-Kougyou-Kanda Bldg 6F, 2-3-4 Uchi-Kanda
address: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101-0047, Japan
country: JP
4.
61.207.217.62
nslookup 61.207.217.62
Canonical name: p4062-ipad02osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp
Japan Network Information Center
address: Kokusai-Kougyou-Kanda Bldg 6F, 2-3-4 Uchi-Kanda
address: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101-0047, Japan
country: JP
Ip's used by vector also tracing to Japan network information center:
61.126.139.65, 61.126.139.11, 61.126.138.236, 61.112.71.202,61.126.138.66,
211.129.188.226 etc.
5.
203.104.168.92 (there are multiple extensions of the basic IP)
nslookup 203.104.168.92
Canonical name: 92.168.104.203.livedoor.com
LIVEDOOR
descr: Free Internet Service Provider
country: JP
person: Tsutomu Yoneyama
address: New River Residence 1001
address: 1-6-11 Shinkawa, Chuo-ku
address: Tokyo 104-0033
country: JP
6.
208.50.80.71
nslookup 208.50.80.71
Canonical name: proxy.ia3.marketscore.com
Global Crossing (NET-GBLX-6)
960 Hamlin Court
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
US
Comscore (NETBLK-FGC-REQ000000005539)
1761 Business Center Drive
Reston, VA 20190
US
Note similarity in canonical name as Freethought^2 nbrs 1,2,3,Underdog 3,
and Vector 1 above.
7.
64.210.241.101
nslookup 64.210.241.101
Canonical name: proxy.ia4.marketscore.com
Global Crossing (NET-GBLX-11)
960 Hamlin Court
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
US
Comscore-IAD COLO (NETBLK-FGC-REQ000000008656)
1761 Business Center Drive
Reston, VA 20190
US
Note similarity between Vector 1, 6, Freethought^2 nbrs 1,2,3 and Underdog 3
A new nym enters with the above IP, "Bob Carson"
8.
64.0.99.137
nslookup 64.0.99.137
Canonical name: proxy.ord.marketscore.com
XO Communications (NET-XOXO-BLK-14)
1400 Parkmoor Avenue
San Jose, CA 95126-3429
US
In addition to noting the similarity in canonical name between Vector 1,
6,7, Freethought^2 nbrs 1,2,3 and Underdog 3...Note the almost exact match
with Freethought^2 nbr 1.
9.
209.217.137.167
nslookup 209.217.137.167
Canonical name: proxy.aus.netsetter.com
Verio, Inc. (NET-VRIO-209-217-128)
8005 South Chester Street
Englewood, CO 80112
US
Note the similarity in canonical name as Vector nbr 1 above.
The nym "Bob Carson" is also associated with this IP.
10.
64.210.248.135
nslookup 64.210.248.135
Canonical name: proxy.ia2.marketscore.com
Global Crossing (NET-GBLX-11)
960 Hamlin Court
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
US
Comscore-IAD COLO (NETBLK-FGC-REQ000000009465)
1761 Business Center Drive
Reston, VA 20190
US
Note the similarity in canonical name between Vector 1,6,7,8, Freethought^2
nbrs 1,2,3 and Underdog 3.
11.
64.209.134.135
nslookup 64.209.134.135
Canonical name: proxy.sna.netsetter.com
Global Crossing (NET-GBLX-11)
960 Hamlin Court
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
US
Note the similarity in canonical name to nbr 9 above, yet the provider
similarity, global crossing, is the same as Vector 1,6,7,8, Freethought^2
nbrs 1,2,3 and Underdog 3.
12.
206.65.190.34
nslookup 206.65.190.34
No reverse DNS (WSANO_DATA)
UUNET Technologies, Inc. (NETBLK-NETBLK-UUNETCBLK64-67)
3060 Williams Drive, Suite 601
Fairfax, Virginia 22031
US
Riot Entertainment (NETBLK-UU-206-65-190-D1)
Unioninkatu 24
Helsinki,
US
13.
38.144.151.137
nslookup 38.144.151.137
Canonical name: proxy.atl.netsetter.com
Performance Systems International (NET-PSINETA)
510 Huntmar Park Drive
Herndon, VA 22070
US
Note the similarity in canonical name of Vector 2, 9, and 11 above.
We also have a new nym introduced: OT Freezoner
Searching now from any new nyms associated, we find an exact match with Bob
Carson and Vector, so we then see if the new nym has any more IP's
associated.
1.
209.217.137.167
nslookup 209.217.137.167
Canonical name: proxy.aus.netsetter.com
Verio, Inc. (NET-VRIO-209-217-128)
8005 South Chester Street
Englewood, CO 80112
US
EXACT MATCH Vector/Bob Carson
Part II
As you recall, coming down from Underdog, to freethought^2, to Vector, we
find a new nym under one of vector's other Ip's.
Bob Carson. We will now examine the nym Bob Carson to see what other
IP's/connections appear.
Posts as Bob Carson.
1.
209.217.137.167
nslookup 209.217.137.167
Canonical name: proxy.aus.netsetter.com
Verio, Inc. (NET-VRIO-209-217-128)
8005 South Chester Street
Englewood, CO 80112
US
EXACT MATCH Vector/Bob Carson
2.
206.173.208.85
nslookup 206.173.208.85
No reverse DNS (WSANO_DATA)
XO Communications (NET-XOXO-BLK-9)
1400 Parkmoor Avenue
San Jose, CA 95126-3429
US
Note: the same provider as Freethough^2 br 1, and Vector nbr 8 above.
3.
207.151.38.62
nslookup 207.151.38.62
No reverse DNS (WSANO_DATA)
Los Nettos (NETBLK-LOS-NETTOS-BLK3)
USC Information Sciences Institute PO 11565
Marina del Rey, CA 90295
US
4.
199.108.53.37
nslookup 199.108.53.37
Canonical name: artcen-public-02.lapl.org
Addresses:
199.108.53.37
CERFnet (NETBLK-CERFNET-CBLK2) NETBLK-CERFNET-CBLK2
199.105.0.0 - 199.108.255.255
CERFnet customer - Los Angeles Public Library (NETBLK-CERF-LAPL) CERF-LAPL
199.108.42.0 - 199.108.57.255
5.
206.173.248.149
XO Communications (NET-XOXO-BLK-9)
1400 Parkmoor Avenue
San Jose, CA 95126-3429
US
Note: the same provider as Freethough^2 br 1, Vector nbr 8, Carson nbr 2
above.
6.
206.173.240.112
XO Communications (NET-XOXO-BLK-9)
1400 Parkmoor Avenue
San Jose, CA 95126-3429
US
Note: the same provider as Freethough^2 br 1, Vector nbr 8, Bob Carson nbr
2,5 above.
We have another new nym entering with this IP, posts done as both Bob Carson
and Euknoidor.
7.
208.50.80.71
nslookup 208.50.80.71
Canonical name: proxy.ia3.marketscore.com
Addresses:
208.50.80.71
Global Crossing (NET-GBLX-6)
960 Hamlin Court
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
US
EXACT MATCH to Vector nbr 6.
Also Note: similarity in provider for Freethought^2 nbr 2, Vector 1,7,10,11,
as well as the similarity between canonical names with Underdog nbr 3,
Freethought^2 nbr 1, 2, 3 and Vector 1,7,8,10.
Also another new nym enters with this IP which is "h".
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Continuing going through the Vector to Bob Carson Ip's, as to other nym
associations, (now that Bob Carson is done) we have OT Freezoner.
1.
38.144.151.137
nslookup 38.144.151.137
Canonical name: proxy.atl.netsetter.com
Performance Systems International (NET-PSINETA)
510 Huntmar Park Drive
Herndon, VA 22070
US
Note the similarity in canonical name of Vector 2, 9, and 11 above.
EXACT MATCH Vector nbr 13 above, and OT Freezoner
2.
205.188.198.27
205.188.198.27
205.188.195.37
64.12.102.152
These are all AOL accounts, which trace only to AOL. (as do all users of
AOL)
Ok, end of string going from Underdog nbr 3 above, To Freethought^2 nbr 1,
to Freethought nbr 3, which matched Vector, and from Vector to Bob Carson,
and Bob Carson to OT Freezoner.
We now have so far, Underdog, Freethought^2, Vector, Bob Carson, and OT
Freezoner all being actually essentially ONE POSTER.
Now, we back up to Freethought^2's IP's, where last we left off (which was
Freethought^2 nbr 3), and we take up Freethought^2 next IP's for any
possible matches with other nyms.
Freethought^2 nbr 6, Has the nyms Truth, CST Insider, Agent of the
Undead,Miss Cleo, Hungry Now, and Hidingmydouble, Rudy, John.
Reverse searching those nyms, no new IP associations. (except John, which
will be a seperate post, as well as Rudy)
OK, that concludes part 2, so in closing we now have the nyms:
Underdog, Freethought^2, Vector, Bob Carson, OT Freezoner, Truth, CST
Insider, Agent of the Undead,Miss Cleo, Hungry Now, and Hidingmydouble, and
(Rudy, John-a seperate story), all being essentially ONE POSTER.
One who in one of their nyms posts, said they have only been posting to the
board since July or August.
Well, the REAL PERSON using the above nyms, has been posting to the board
since at least February/March 2001.
That's just one of many lies this REAL PERSON back of these nyms has been
spreading, all the while accusing me, primarily, of lying.
It's getting quite clear that whoever this REAL PERSON is, they most
definitely have an agenda towards me, one they hide behind multiple
identities to carry out.
And remember, the Freethought^2 identity, USED PC FOLDER data.
There is only one place that comes from.
The Church.
And the church, certainly would have an agenda towards me to invest this
kind of time and money, as the REAL PERSON behind all the above nyms, has
obviously done.
So, that's one rat's nest of identities, down.
We shall see who else is in this "network".
Virginia
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underdog
Member
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 18
From: clearwater
Posted: 2002-01-15 19:24
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dear V
sorry you went to all that work.
"underdog" is one handle for one poster.
i am on FZA, FZINT, and joined (but not posted) on FZAO Yahoo group
same real name, same email address given to the sites, using the same
computer on the same ISP (which is AT&T Worldnet)
yes, i am in texas.
i do not think I am out of line here, on this FZA board or the others you
monitor.
I post the above to proclaim the facts. I have a grievance, been wronged,
and request (that's the nice word) that you "take it back right now."
Underdog
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virginia
Moderator
Joined: Nov 14, 2001
Posts: 492
From: Post Falls, Idaho
Posted: 2002-01-15 19:50
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Underdog,
You have posted using the following IP's:
1.
12.73.230.152
nslookup 12.73.230.152
Canonical name: 152.houston-16-17rs.tx.dial-access.att.net
Provider: AT&T ITS (NET-ATT)
200 Laurel Avenue South
Middletown, NJ 07748
US
2.
172.170.85.67
nslookup 172.170.85.67
Canonical name: ACAA5543.ipt.aol.com
Provider: America Online, Inc. (NETBLK-AOL-172BLK)
12100 Sunrise Valley Drive
Reston, VA 20191 US
3.
216.142.233.105
nslookup 216.142.233.105
Canonical name: proxy.sjc.marketscore.com
Providers:Broadwing Communications, Inc. (NET-BROADWING-NET)
1122 Capital of Texas Hwy. Austin, TX 78726-6426 US
and:
Comscore Networks (NETBLK-BRW-4987-COMSCORENET)
1700 Richards Ave.
Santa Clara, CA 95050
US
4.
216.155.96.11
nslookup 216.155.96.11
Canonical name: horus.acceleration.net
Provider: Accelerated Data Works, Inc. (NETBLK-ADW-BLK-1)
2831 NW 41st Street, Suite B Gainesville, FL 32606 US
Which is contrary to what you said here:
"using the same computer on the same ISP (which is AT&T Worldnet)".
The evidence in the logs of the board, indicate otherwise.
You said:
"same real name, same email address given to the sites"
Your member data, says you are from clearwater, which as you say now, you
are in texas,so there is an inaccuracy there, one way or the other.
I will research further into what exactly you signed up under, since you
brought it up.
But the fact still remains, four different Ip's are associated with
Underdog, one of which Freethought^2 uses also, in an exact match, which is
contrary to what you are stating today.
If you are attempting to assert that "someone else" is posting using your
"name" Underdog, is there a reason you never said anything about it?
I suggest you review the evidence again, and perhaps rethink your position
taken, in today's post.
Virginia
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virginia
Moderator
Joined: Nov 14, 2001
Posts: 492
From: Post Falls, Idaho
Posted: 2002-01-16 07:41
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Underdog has stated today:
(excerpted)
"i am on FZA, FZINT, and joined (but not posted) on FZAO Yahoo group same
real name, same email address given to the sites, using the same computer on
the same ISP (which is AT&T Worldnet)
"yes, i am in texas."
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Hmm, "Underdog" is a real name?
Anyways, keeping in mind that basically per Underdog's statements, Underdog
is supposed to be a real name, with one IP, and only one handle for that
poster? Then let's look more closely at Underdog's actual posts, and the
IP's used.
Underdog joined this board November 12, 2001
1.
Thread:Wins And Successful Actions Wins
underdog
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2001-11-12 13:43
dear noanswer,
no TV, do not follow the news of the day - just solo audit. i think it is
the winning ticket.
underdog
User IP: 172.170.85.67 ( ACAA5543.ipt.aol.com )
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Thread: » Off Topic & Just For Fun Terrorism/Bin Laden (for you Logic 18)
underdog
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2001-11-12 21:47
well, well, let us not forget RJ67 where LRH pinpoints the major bankers as
lead SPs on Earth. that the press and psyches are underlings.
so here comes Ben Laden right at the largest concentration of bankers
available. he could be called a "freedom fighter" from his side of the
issue.
these bankers are only ones to get Jesus to loose his cool 2000 years ago.
they have a lot more tools of suppression at hand. nations war for reasons
of trade and money far more than any other, including ideology.
the bankers have been quick to respond these last 2 months with more
coordination of police, little country banks, gov't intelligence agencies.
the gov't just acts without detailed instructions. if these planes went down
like TWA 800, PAA 103, or Swissair there would not be calls of "WAR" on the
floor of Congress Sept 11. the bankers were really the target more than
these other plane crashes.
we now have martial law in the USA and the Rights taken today during the
declared Nat'l Emergancy will not "sunset" after Ben Laden and other pockets
of resistance to the bankers is crushed. i will promise that.
sad but true. KSW #1 announced the end of the window of spiritual
opportunity, and an age of enslavement. this is not a time to chase
butterflys. "...only the tigers survive..."
underdog
User IP: 216.142.233.105 ( proxy.sjc.marketscore.com )
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underdog
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2001-11-23 11:44
HIDDEN INFLUENCE ???
RJ67 says it is the bankers and 30 years have not shown this wrong. there
are "off planet" influences to be sure. However the stable economy, 9 to 5,
mortgage payments on time and "beer and football" is their New World Order.
the banker's world. just try to play a game too far outside of these
controls. try and sail a ship of OTs around the 7 seas, see what happens.
have some tech to control people and it will be seized somehow, someway. Oh,
Artie Maron and Heber had their day pointing at psyches. wrong target and
millions of partishioners hard earned money went down that hole to no gain.
perhaps it was this false "who" that broke the Guardians Office and lead to
the corruption of the CoS. perhaps the advise to put Scn into a church
structure was a bad idea which looked good in 1954. the "fee for service"
business of Scn was very un-churchy by 1975 and CoS could not/would not
change as GO thought themselves in too many battles and had to hold the
positions they had staked out. maybe Bob Thomas was right, we will never
know for sure. 20/20 hindsight. BUT the US Gov't (agents for the bankers)
have a somewhat workable version of LRH's works and you better bet that it
will be used to control the general population with the skill it is used
agaist the current CoS parishioners. talk about "worker bees of the New
World Order"? you ain't seen nothing yet. the off planet influence like that
situation of a totally controled population just fine. ben laden and every
other troublesom group will be wiped out soon enough. so.. get busy, audit,
blow charge.
underdog
User IP: 216.155.96.11 ( horus.acceleration.net )
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Thread:Off Topic & Just For Fun Bios
underdog
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2001-11-12 22:11
to the420_OT
the stoneing of Flag 1974 is call the "rock party".
there are lots of good Sea Org stories. most of the oldtimes left CoS in
early 1980s with the rise of DM.
the Sea Org (and CoS) have lost their way.
LRH's Bridge c. 1979 is about as good as it gets and use Capt Bill's Excal
after OT3.
Ron's Org practicioner, Marianne, does excellent OT repairs. So if you think
you were a "last lifer", and in the Sea Org, i STRONGLY recommend you send
some quality auding time with her.
underdog
User IP: 216.142.233.105 ( proxy.sjc.marketscore.com )
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Thread:Scientology Documents now online at www.scientologyintegrity.org
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2001-12-13 23:04
Virginia
a GREAT SERVICE to all !!!
Underdog
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Thread: Scientology Body Org Basics
underdog
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2001-12-13 23:18
i have had Body Org auditing. i was a little doubtful about it at first,
before i started. let me tell you it is the "real deal". my socks were blown
off, lots of TA down. mucho grando cogs about thetan and body relationships.
do check this data out. not to bypassed.
Underdog
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Thread: Scientology mind control gases used in airconditioning of orgs ?
underdog
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2001-12-14 22:39
i had heard that in Los Vegas NO2 is stored and pumped into the gaming
halls. perfectly legal. have seen no evidence of this in any org i have
visited however.
underdog
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Thread:Off Topic & Just For Fun David Icke
underdog
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2001-12-20 17:30
this statement about lizard peoples is covered briefly in LRH lecture PDC
#43 (side 2). the short version is that spiritual beings have been involved
with many lifeform bodies over a great deal of time. lizards are one of
these "civilized races". some spirits (now on Earth) as humans had other
lifeform bodies in the past, like lizards, for example. these spirits still
may dramatize behavior they had while in the earlier lifeform so long ago.
social customs could be quite different from humans in North America Earth
c. 2000. some of these races of lifeforms still exist somewhere in this
Universe in present time. some went the way of the Dodo Bird and are gone as
a lifeform.
human researchers could locate fragments of past experiance and draw
fragmentary conclusions as the these earlier lifeforms, their society (then
or now), any influence they might have on today on Earth.
certainly such research is of great interest to some inspite of the almost
totally subjective nature of the "dare i call it -'data'".
i have yet to see one of these lizards on public display.
underdog
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Thread:Out In The Field where to start
underdog
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2001-12-21 20:05
BOB
have you read any books by L. Ron Hubbard?
if so which ones?
Underdog
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10.
underdog
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2001-12-22 17:33
BOB
i like Self Analysis. there are actions you can do on yourself. and you
should. also the taped lectures starting in order with Human Eval Course
1951 (one set on sale now at www.ebay.com <http://www.ebay.com> search
"scientology")
if you live near a major city you could take a few courses in the Cof$. (to
some FreeZoners i just sinned) i like the Purification Rundown, TRs&Obj,
Student Hat, and Pro TRs (with claytable proc). i do not think anyone
anywhere will put these skills "in" better than Cof$. if you do not live
near a Cof$ Org and can not move, i would look at Handbook for Preclears
next.
i have 32 years of active (very active) Scn under my belt.
the upper Bridge (Advanced Courses) are quite nicely worked out by CBR &
Ron's Org. but i would not view any advanced materials for one second for a
billion dollars if i were you. i have seen cases bogged almost beyond hope.
so be very careful.
Underdog
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11.
underdog
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2001-12-23 16:00
BOB
i have read Peter's post and have no trouble with it. can you get a
twin??????
Cof$ is cheaper for beginners if an Org or mission is available to you. and
true, not all is well with Cof$ especially the upper Bridge and the subject
of money (lean green, mulla, dough, big bucks, etc)
i have not read the pilot's but hear good things about it. there is a book
"Super Scio" by Pilot which contains upper Bridge information. DO NOT READ
ANYTHING UPPER BRIDGE. YOU WILL BE SAD, NOT HAPPY.
i have a friend who is a top top OT case cracker (and can crack ANY case)
she is approached by low level cases who read upper stuff. they are out of
luck. they do not count. NO SERVICE for stupid people. you have been warned
twice.
keep in touch - Underdog
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Thread:» Off Topic & Just For Fun The Pilot....Why...?
underdog
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2001-12-22 17:49
KING
Scientology policy: Cof$ should not knowingly process a terminal cancer
case. HCOPL Policies on Physical Healing.
Scientology is NOT a cure for any disease or physical ailment. if they do
attempt it,it is against Scientology policy. not that Cof$ is always "on
Scientology policy". or that someone could have started a "horror story"
because they have a "twisted mind".
Cof$ and Scientology are NOT one and the same.
Scientology is for living a better life and spiritual advancement (which is
quite subjective).
Underdog
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Thread:Off Topic & Just For Fun Hmmmm.
underdog
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2001-12-22 17:56
EMILE
what oaths ordered by David - COB RTC?
did anyone tell you this?
i have many friends active in Cof$, in the Sea Org, in Int'l Mgmt Execs, and
they have not reported this. so....i am quite interested in an answer to my
questions.
Underdog
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Thread:Off Topic & Just For Fun How about Lord of the Rings
underdog
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2001-12-22 18:04
SOLOMAN
Bilbo found the ring first, after it had been lost for a very long time, in
an earlier story called "the Hobbit". This story/movie, "the Lord of the
Rings", takes place some years later.
Underdog
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Thread:Off Topic & Just For Fun Reed Slatkin: Church-connected Ponzi
scammer?
underdog
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2001-12-22 18:14
DAMN RIGHT
that money is gone boys and girls.
trust Underdog on that one.
never, never, ever put your money in another's hands and then turn away and
not look.
you could have your hard earned $$$ in any respected mutual fund, stock
pool, or have your favorite uncle look after it.
you keep close track of it and educate yourself on matters financial.
so sayz - Underdog
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Thread:Data Collection Underdog, to Freethought^2, to Vector...etc IP and
NYM crossmatching: additional
underdog
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 16
From: clearwater
Posted: 2002-01-15 19:24
dear V
sorry you went to all that work.
"underdog" is one handle for one poster.
i am on FZA, FZINT, and joined (but not posted) on FZAO Yahoo group
same real name, same email address given to the sites, using the same
computer on the same ISP (which is AT&T Worldnet)
yes, i am in texas.
i do not think I am out of line here, on this FZA board or the others you
monitor.
I post the above to proclaim the facts. I have a grievance, been wronged,
and request (that's the nice word) that you "take it back right now."
Underdog
User IP: 12.73.247.135 ( 135.houston-15-20rs.tx.dial-access.att.net )
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As you can see, Underdog used FOUR IP's posting here, not one. Also I might
mention the apparent promotion of the services of Marianne, which will come
into play later, relating to some posts by Underdog on the FZINT board.
Quoting from my earlier post on this thread:
"Now I should mention that Ralphie posted on thread: My observations, one
day prior, November 4th, that he would provide IP's.
Freethought2 posted with the IP 216.142.233.105, starting on November 5th,
and was the only nym associated with that IP on the old board."
...
Underdog posted in nbr 2 and 4 above, with the 216.142.233.105, on November
12th, not long after the alias Freethought^2 first used that IP.
Now, for some further updates:
Ed Rhett joined this board November 11, 2001
Tonight, at 18:43:45, Ed Rhett logged in with IP 12.73.231.150 :
150.houston-18-19rs.tx.dial-access.att.net, right in line with all the above
ones of Underdog, going through A T and T.
After apparently looking around at various things, at 18:58:11 he hits reply
to the Underdog to Freethought^2 thread, but no reply is actually posted.
Ed apparently disconnects, and then logs back in again at 19:24:23, with IP
12.73.247.135 : 135.houston-15-20rs.tx.dial-access.att.net.
Ed Rhett hits reply again to the same thread, but five seconds later at
19:24:28, the post saying it's from Underdog, with the SAME IP,
12.73.247.135 : 135.houston-15-20rs.tx.dial-access.att.net, shows up on the
board.
And as you see in above post 16. above, they match exactly.
So now we have yet another name to add to the bunch.
Ed Rhett.
Well, I think I better dig into the old forum and see if Ed Rhett has any
OTHER IP's he has posted from. Well whaddya know, he does.
To be continued...
Virginia
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misiunas
Gold Member
Joined: Nov 01, 2001
Posts: 297
From: The other side of the forest
Posted: 2002-01-16 10:03
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Virginia, that was an excellent post.
Clearly and logically presented.
I can't wait to see what the future holds.
_________________
aka Paul Misiunas
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underdog
Member
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 18
From: clearwater
Posted: 2002-01-16 15:42
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underdog
Member
Joined: Nov 12, 2001
Posts: 18
From: clearwater
Posted: 2002-01-16 15:52
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dear V
i have read so many complaints about your posts these last three months from
FreeZoners that it is time to say "enough is enough". like it or not V you
are in a lower condition to the FreeZone as a whole. i am not the Grand Pooh
Bah of FZ and that is not the point. the condition to the group still
exists. i stronly suggest you post your formulas here and on FZINT board.
otherwise just stay away from us.
Underdog
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virginia
Moderator
Joined: Nov 14, 2001
Posts: 492
From: Post Falls, Idaho
Posted: 2002-01-17 06:49
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Underdog,
Re your response: It comes across to me that you rethought your position,
which is good, but then felt the need to get in some more jabs and hoped for
landed wrong indications.
I suggest you sort out your own lower condition in regards your covert
activities, before you post again here.
Until then,
Virginia
Cerridwen
No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
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"Virginia" <vm...@icehouse.net> wrote in message
news:3c65...@news2.lightlink.com...
> As part of an ongoing investigation as to sources of attacks,
forgery, etc,
> I compiled the following information.
>
> So...........Attention any net-savvy lurkers, please review the
following
> data regarding crossmatching IP's of primarily anonymous alias's, and
give
> me your feedback.
>
>
> Virginia
>
>
LOL!
More "Nonsense".
"In winter when the fields are white,
I sing this song for your delight---
In spring, when woods are getting green,
I'll try and tell you what I'mean.
In summer, when the days are long,
Perhaps you'll understand the song:
In autumn, when the leaves are brown
Take pen and ink and write it down.
I sent a message to the fish:
I told them `This is what I wish.'
The little fishes of the sea,
They sent an answer back to me.
The little fishes' answer was
`We cannot do it, Sir, because---'
I sent to them again to say
`It will be better to obey.'
The fishes answered with a grin,
`Why, what a temper you are in!'
I told them once, I told them twice:
They would not listen to advice.
I took a kettle large and new,
Fit for the deed I had to do.
My heart went hop, my heart went thump;
I filled the kettle at the pump.
Then some one came to me and said,
`The little fishes are in bed.'
I said to him, I said it plain,
`Then you must wake them up again.'
I said it very loud and clear;
I went and shouted in his ear.
But he was very stiff and proud;
He said `You needn't shout so loud!'
And he was very proud and stiff;
He said, `I'd go and wake them, if---'
I took a corkscrew from the shelf.
I went to wake them up myself.
And when I found the door was locked
I pulled and pushed and kicked and knocked.
And when I found the door was shut,
I tried to turn the handle, but---"
L. Carroll 1865
Cerridwen
Levi Murphy
what???
No World Bankers?
No World Federation of Mental Health?
All you have proved is, um, nothing.
Special Agent Murphy
On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 04:24:56 -0800, "Virginia" <vm...@icehouse.net>
wrote:
Fluffygirl
"Cerridwen" <nob...@nowhere.helferlein.net> wrote in message
news:2a92e8b4cfa8d6a3...@remailer.segfault.net...
<snip>
Very good...
C
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