What worlds do you visit?
Cindy Wells
mjb...@students.wisc.edu (Mike Bloy) writes:
<snip>
>"I'm curious. What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?", he says,
>provoking some puzzled looks, as well as some nods from the patronage.
>"To start things off, here's my list:"
>With that, Elm writes the following list on the chalkboard:
>Anne McCaffery Pern and Rowan's universe
>Douglas Adams Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
>Spider Robinson Callahans & other short stories
Yep, I'll go to these worlds often enough
I also visit
Christopher Stasheff Gramayre, Wizard in Rhyme
Robert Asprin Myth Adventures
Raymond Feist Midkemia
>Elminster sighs. "Yes, I know that there is a Sci-Fi/Fantasy bias in
>there, but, well... Dannelle Steele and Tom Clancy just don't compare
>(IMHO).
I like making a get away from anything resembling the real world.
I also usually want light-hearted stuff.
Cindy Wells
--
Cindy Wells
(Grad - PChem - UIUC)
I have abandoned my search for truth and now I'm looking for ...
a good fantasy. (author: Ashleigh Brilliant)
James Newman
Mike Bloy wrote:
>
<snip>
> "I'm curious. What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?", he says,
> provoking some puzzled looks, as well as some nods from the patronage.
>
>
> "To start things off, here's my list:"
>
> With that, Elm writes the following list on the chalkboard:
>
> Anne McCaffery Pern, "The Ship Who _____"
> Douglas Adams Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
> TSR Worlds Forgotten Realms
> Piers Anthony Proton/Phaze, Incarnations of Immortality
> Shakespere's plays
> Spider Robinson Callahans & other short stories
>
> there, but, well... Dannelle Steele and Tom Clancy just don't compare
> (IMHO).
> Mike Bloy | Elminster
> If it happened, it must be possible
> Happiness is Earth in your rear-view mirror
"I probably should be taking notes. Of those, I've read and enjoyed
Heinlein, Adams, and Robinson.
"My own additions:
Isaac Asimov Foundation Trilogy (iffy about later additions)
Ray Bradbury Any and all
Arthur C. Clarke 2001 book and movie.
J. R. R. Tolkien Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, Silmarillion...
(OK, make it all the Middle-Earth stories)
Terry Pratchett Discworld series
Neil Gaiman All I've seen so far, especially the Sandman
series (that's Graphic Novel, not comic
book!)
Theodore Sturgeon all
"Same Sci-Fi/Fantasy bias here. I suspect you'll get alot of it here."
Seldon steps back into the shadows and waits attentively(sp?) for more
lists of potential gems.
Hari Seldon
So, how many of you out there have problems with wax on/in the keyboard?
Mike Bloy
Elminster walks up to the bar, accepts a few slices of mist cheese and
a mug of Shadowdale Ale (imported from the Old Skull Inn), and turns
to address the patrons. After starting this task, he realizes that he
doesn't want to send them anywhere, and starts talking instead.
"I'm curious. What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?", he says,
provoking some puzzled looks, as well as some nods from the patronage.
"What I mean is, where do your armchair travels take you, when you're
too tired to tackle a new book? What are your favorite fictional
worlds, and your favorite authors? This can include single-novel
worlds, as well as world based in a series"
Paul Campbell
On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Mike Bloy wrote:
*snip*
>
> "To start things off, here's my list:"
>
> With that, Elm writes the following list on the chalkboard:
>
> Robert A. Heinlien Future History
> Anne McCaffery Pern, "The Ship Who _____"
> Douglas Adams Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
> Mercedes Lackey Valdemar
> TSR Worlds Forgotten Realms
> Piers Anthony Proton/Phaze, Incarnations of Immortality
> Shakespere's plays
> Spider Robinson Callahans & other short stories
Xzerrion wanders over to the chalkboard, and inscribes his list in bright
green (?!) faerie fire.
Susan Dexter The Wizard's Shadow
Mercedes Lackey Valdemar and surrounds
Katherine Kurtz the kingdom of Gwynedd
Edith Pargeter medieval Wales
TSR worlds the northern Forgotten Realms, the underdark
George Lucas and following authors the Star Wars universe
Piers Anthony Incarnations of Immortality
Anne McCaffrey Pern
Tom Clancy misc writings about Jack Ryan
Ngaio Marsh Roderick Alleyn mysteries
Mary Monica Pulver Peter Brichter mysteries
Dorothy L. Sayers Lord Peter Whimsey
Several others, but I don't remember them all right now.
> Elminster sighs. "Yes, I know that there is a Sci-Fi/Fantasy bias in
> there, but, well... Dannelle Steele and Tom Clancy just don't compare
> (IMHO).
> --
> Mike Bloy | Elminster
> If it happened, it must be possible
> Happiness is Earth in your rear-view mirror
Lots of sci-fi/fantasy here too, but a smattering of other stuff.
Xzerrion tosses a gold coin onto the bar and gets another glass of
feywine.
- Xzerrion
Hodgepodge
Mike Bloy wrote:
[...]
> too tired to tackle a new book? What are your favorite fictional
> worlds, and your favorite authors? This can include single-novel
> worlds, as well as world based in a series"
>
> With that, Elm writes the following list on the chalkboard:
older small books from ages ago)
Orson Scott Card Ender's Game
Douglas Adams Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Jeffrey Archer A Twist in the Tale and First Among Equals
Tom Clancy Most of his novels
Various biographies of mainly political folks (esp. Lincoln)
Various books about the Americam founding
Hodgepodge
BetNoir
Mike Bloy wrote:
>What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?"
Well...aside from Msr. Robinson (like, DUH!!):
Anything by Heinlein - but my two fave characters are Friday and Delos
Harriman, because they are so much me and my husband. Finest compliment
I ever got was someone telling me I reminded him of Friday.
Anne McCaffrey's To Ride Pegasus and Rowan series - the dragon stuff is
nice, but I like the story of the Talents better.
Brian Daley's Alacrity Fitzhugh and Hobart Floyt series - just plain ol'
space-roamin' fun! WHEN is he coming out with another??
Chelsea Quinn Yarbro's St. Germain series - one of the finest takes on
the 'vampire' mythos (Read Anne Rice - Vampires aren't supposed to WHINE,
dammit!!). The best scene in 'The Palace' is when St. Germain hears the
mourning bells in the Duomo tolling for Lorenzo di Medici's death, and
realizes he cannot shed a tear for his closest friend. Just rips your
guts to SHREDS! And St. Germain is also so...SEXY....beats Lestat hands
down.
At the other end of the 'vampire' spectrum - Laurell K. Hamilton's 'Anita
Blake, Vampire Hunter' series. Tough chick hunts modern-day vampires
even though she is attracted to one. Sarcastic, snappy fun. And it ALSO
features a very sexy vampire - Jean Claude.
While I can't STAND most fantasty (I have little patience with 'wizards
and fairy dust and magic, oh my!)- I LOVE Stephen Brust's Vlad Taltos and
Pheonix Guard series. Brust just has such glorious fun making his
characters so gloriously....NASTY. Vlad Taltos is a mean, mother-fucking
SOB, and I would want him at my back in a tavern brawn ANY day of the
week. The historian's POV in Phoenix Guard is hysterical. Oh yeah, and
the rapier stuff is way cool to boot.
BetN<---gonna dream of sexy vampires tonight....mmmmmmmm
--
"We close our eyes...and the world has turned around again...."
- D. Elfman
"It's just the night in my veins...."
- C. Hynde
Pat Kight
In article <4ugphg$m...@news.inc.net>,
Ager or Persson <mik...@discover-net.net> wrote:
>mjb...@students.wisc.edu (Mike Bloy) wrote:
>
>>"What I mean is, where do your armchair travels take you, when you're
>>too tired to tackle a new book? What are your favorite fictional
>>worlds, and your favorite authors? This can include single-novel
>>worlds, as well as world based in a series"
>
>yours." Beth begins writing in a notebook:
>
>
>Robert A. Heinlein-- everything, but especially Future History.
>Samuel R. Delany-- _Dhalgren_, _Triton_ and _Stars in my Pocket Like
> Grains of Sand_.
(snip)
Jezebel, who reads everything she can get her hands on when she has time
to read (and only slightly less when she doesn't, nods vigorously at the
second consecutive mention of Delaney. She goes back to _Dhalgren_ about
once a year and mines new riches out of it every time.
"Let's see - I like Beth's `books-you've worn-out' concept (which I would
amplify to `books-you've-either-worn-out-or-had-to-repurchase-several-
times-because-you-keep-foisting-them-on-unsuspecting-friends.') Delaney's
*definitely* on the list. So are:
Mark Helprin - _Refiner's Fire,_, _A Soclier of the Great Ware_ but most
especially _Winter's Tale_, which continues to be my Favorite Book
_Was_, by Geoff Ryman (a fabulous retake on the Oz tales)
Everything Robertson Davies ever wrote.
Most of John Barth (although I confess I've never actually seen the
Chesapeake, he makes me feel as if I have ... in several different lives!)
Most of Margaret Atwood (hgmmm ... that's two Canadians. I feel o ...
cosmopolitan).
_1000 Years of Solitude_ by Gabriel Garcia Marquez.(Jeez. I stumbled on
this when it first came out, and now it's practically a classic. Do I
feel old...)
For a good, fast, junkfood-for-the-brain type read, Rita Mae Brown, Agatha
Christie and yes, although I blush to admit it, Stephen King (when he's
not writing overblown short stories like _Christine_ and _Cujo_)
Ursula LaGuin. Absolutely everything.
Sherry S. Tepper. Ditto.
William Gibson, especially _Mona Lisa Overdrive_ ... and I'm one of the
few people I know who actually liked his collaboration with Bruce
Sterling, _The Difference Engine_.
Neal Stephenson. I like each of his books better than the last.
"Seems as if I'm atypical here in that science fiction isn't my primary
read, although I've been reading it, on and off, since I was about
eleven. Most of my favorite authors could, however, be classed among the
fantasists. My sweetie's been trying to get me to finish his Stephen Brust
collection ever since we met, but I confess I find it slow going. I
finally picked up a Terry Pratchett a year or so ago and proceeded to
read everything of his I could find at the used-book store - I adore his
sense of humor.
"Next?"
--Jezebel
Looking for a big, fat, fascinating book to take my mind off cigarettes
on the 16-hour, non-smoking flight to Scotland next week...
kig...@peak.org
Steve Irvin
Mike Bloy wrote:
>
> Elminster walks up to the bar, accepts a few slices of mist cheese and
> a mug of Shadowdale Ale (imported from the Old Skull Inn), and turns
> to address the patrons. After starting this task, he realizes that he
> doesn't want to send them anywhere, and starts talking instead.
>
> "I'm curious. What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?", he says,
> provoking some puzzled looks, as well as some nods from the patronage.
>
>
> "To start things off, here's my list:"
>
> With that, Elm writes the following list on the chalkboard:
>
> Anne McCaffery Pern, "The Ship Who _____"
> TSR Worlds Forgotten Realms
> Piers Anthony Proton/Phaze, Incarnations of Immortality
> Shakespere's plays
> Spider Robinson Callahans & other short stories
>
> there, but, well... Dannelle Steele and Tom Clancy just don't compare
> (IMHO).
> --
> Mike Bloy | Elminster
> If it happened, it must be possible
Incarnations of Immortality." I also enjoy David R. Palmer's *Emergence*,
most anything by L. Neil Smith, Harry Harrison and Clifford Simak, and
George O. Smith" *Venus Equilateral* and *The 4 Rs* As you can tell, a
strong science fiction bent here too. I am also very fond of Murphy and
Sapir's *Destroyer* series, A must read in my estimation. These are not
your usual "Mens Series" Thanks for letting me put my $.02 worth in.
Steve
Chris Goodwin
In article <4ufled$29...@news.doit.wisc.edu>,
Mike Bloy <mjb...@students.wisc.edu> wrote:
>
>"What I mean is, where do your armchair travels take you, when you're
>too tired to tackle a new book? What are your favorite fictional
>worlds, and your favorite authors? This can include single-novel
>worlds, as well as world based in a series"
My own list:
Robert A. Heinlein Nearly everything (old *and* recent)
Spider Robinson The tales of Callahan's place
L. Neil Smith _The Probability Broach_ and sequels
DeCamp/Pratt the Harold Shea stories (The Incompleat
Enchanter)
Jack Chalker Much of his stuff (esp. Well World and
Dancing Gods series)
Orson Scott Card _Ender's Game_ and sequels (only
recently discovered)
Joel Rosenberg the Guardians of the Flame series
Vernor Vinge Numerous (although I haven't read _A Fire
Upon the Deep_ yet)
Richard Bach _Illusions_
Robert M. Pirsig _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance_
I'm going to have to put a stop here, otherwise this list will end up
looking like this:
Any author Any work
(which almost might even be accurate...)
--
arc...@peak.org <*> http://www.peak.org/~archer
Listkeeper: Libertarian Fiction and Jack Chalker mailing lists.
Oceania: A New Country In Development <*> http://oceania.org
"Twice can be coincidence, but three times is enemy action."
K. Ohanlon
On 9 Aug 1996, Chris Goodwin wrote:
> In article <4ufled$29...@news.doit.wisc.edu>,
> Mike Bloy <mjb...@students.wisc.edu> wrote:
> >
> >"What I mean is, where do your armchair travels take you, when you're
> >too tired to tackle a new book? What are your favorite fictional
> >worlds, and your favorite authors? This can include single-novel
> >worlds, as well as world based in a series"
Crow glances over and grins.
"I could almost say anything in the sci-fi/fantasy realm, but there's only
some worlds that I return to regularly.
"Piers Anthony Incarnations of Immortality
Steven King Just about every book, but especially the Dark
Tower series.
Dean Koontz Again, almost every book. (Didn;t say was just
sf/f that I read.
Anne McCaffrey Pern books and tales of Talents.
Frank Herbert The Dune series, and a book called Soulcatcher.
Susan Kay Phantom.
Robert Jordan Wheel of Time series. (If he'd finish it.)
Robert A. Heinlein Everything!
Richard Bach Everything I"ve read thus far.
Spider Robinson Callahans books, and the Lady Sally books. :)
"And too many others to list here, remember, I've been reading since I was
2 and a half, and love almost everything I"ve ever read." ;)
-Kelley, aka Crow.
Ager or Persson
mjb...@students.wisc.edu (Mike Bloy) wrote:
>"What I mean is, where do your armchair travels take you, when you're
>too tired to tackle a new book? What are your favorite fictional
>worlds, and your favorite authors? This can include single-novel
>worlds, as well as world based in a series"
"You mean, which books have I worn out? I'll begin my list as you began
yours." Beth begins writing in a notebook:
Robert A. Heinlein-- everything, but especially Future History.
Samuel R. Delany-- _Dhalgren_, _Triton_ and _Stars in my Pocket Like
Grains of Sand_.
Joe Haldeman-- everything he writes, but especially _The Forever War_ and
his _Worlds_ trilogy.
Vladimir Nabokov-- _Lolita_, _Pale Fire_ and _Ada_.
John Updike-- His _Rabbit_ series and some of his short stories. Most of
his other novels are crap, imo.
Pat Frank-- _Alas, Babylon_.
Larry Niven-- Known Space.
Ralph Ellison-- _Invisible Man_.
"And the rest of my read-to-death books are nonfiction."
--
Beth
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73 de NN9E
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Pat Kight
In article <4uhb9n$1...@kira.peak.org>, Pat Kight <kig...@kira.peak.org> wrote:
>
>Mark Helprin - _Refiner's Fire,_, _A Soclier of the Great Ware_ but most
"Urk. Make that _A Soldier of the Great War_.
"Hot night. Sticky keyboard."
--Jezebel
kig...@peak.org
Ager or Persson
kig...@kira.peak.org (Pat Kight) wrote:
>In article <4ugphg$m...@news.inc.net>,
>Ager or Persson <mik...@discover-net.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"What I mean is, where do your armchair travels take you, when you're
>>>too tired to tackle a new book? What are your favorite fictional
>>>worlds, and your favorite authors? This can include single-novel
>>>worlds, as well as world based in a series"
>>
>>"You mean, which books have I worn out? I'll begin my list as you began
>>yours." Beth begins writing in a notebook:
>>
>>
>>Robert A. Heinlein-- everything, but especially Future History.
>>Samuel R. Delany-- _Dhalgren_, _Triton_ and _Stars in my Pocket Like
>> Grains of Sand_.
>
>
>Jezebel, who reads everything she can get her hands on when she has time
>to read (and only slightly less when she doesn't, nods vigorously at the
>second consecutive mention of Delaney. She goes back to _Dhalgren_ about
>once a year and mines new riches out of it every time.
Beth unwinds a long brass chain threaded with prisms, mirrors and lenses
from her arm and hands it to Jez. "I'm not gonna tell you how I got this,
but I want you to have it. I've never met another _Dhalgren_ junkie
before!"
>"Let's see - I like Beth's `books-you've worn-out' concept (which I would
>amplify to `books-you've-either-worn-out-or-had-to-repurchase-several-
>times-because-you-keep-foisting-them-on-unsuspecting-friends.') Delaney's
>*definitely* on the list. So are:
<snip>
>Most of John Barth (although I confess I've never actually seen the
>Chesapeake, he makes me feel as if I have ... in several different lives!)
"Oh, he's great! I loved _Sinbad_ and _Giles Goat Boy_, but don't want to
repeat the intensity by rereading them."
<snip>
>_1000 Years of Solitude_ by Gabriel Garcia Marquez.(Jeez. I stumbled on
>this when it first came out, and now it's practically a classic. Do I
>feel old...)
"In the circle of Latin American literature and magical realism, it *is* a
towering classic. But you stuttered, 'cause it's _100_ years, not 1000.
I prefer Garcia Marquez' _Chronicle of a Death Foretold_, myself."
>For a good, fast, junkfood-for-the-brain type read, Rita Mae Brown, Agatha
>Christie and yes, although I blush to admit it, Stephen King (when he's
>not writing overblown short stories like _Christine_ and _Cujo_)
"I just read King's _Dolores Claiborne_ and thought it was really pretty
good. What a surprise! But I kept it in a plain brown wrapper as I did."
>
>Ursula LaGuin. Absolutely everything.
"I forgot to mention that _Lathe of Heaven_ is one of my worn-out books.
I probably forgot because I thrust my copy into my sister's hands before
she went home to California, and I haven't replaced the copy yet."
<snip>
>"Next?"
--
Beth "Dhalgren Rules!" Ager
Linda Von Vogt
On your trip to Scotland, try The New Confessions, by William Boyd. Very
popular author in England, but found on discount shelves here. The
author at the time of the writing was not yet forty, but tells a
fascinating tale of a man's life from childhood through old age. A
personal and historical journey, a fascinating bit about his relationship
with a German prisoner of War (WWII), and a best friend whose life long
search is for the largest prime number (as I recall). Also, "The
Invisible Man", a book that I've worn out, but it has WORN Me out even
more!" You'll shake with exhaustion by the end of the book, (As well as
the flight!)
This is my first visit to a NewsGroup, forgive me if I've got this
quoting business all fouled up, so who knows who is quoted as who knows
what??
Linda (aka Quiest)
"Men are to the gods as flies are to wanton boys; They kill us for their
sport" - The Bard
TechnoPup
mjb...@students.wisc.edu (Mike Bloy) wrote:
>Elminster walks up to the bar, accepts a few slices of mist cheese and
>a mug of Shadowdale Ale (imported from the Old Skull Inn), and turns
>to address the patrons. After starting this task, he realizes that he
>doesn't want to send them anywhere, and starts talking instead.
>"I'm curious. What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?", he says,
>provoking some puzzled looks, as well as some nods from the patronage.
>"What I mean is, where do your armchair travels take you, when you're
>too tired to tackle a new book? What are your favorite fictional
>worlds, and your favorite authors? This can include single-novel
>worlds, as well as world based in a series"
>"To start things off, here's my list:"
>With that, Elm writes the following list on the chalkboard:
>Robert A. Heinlien Future History
>Anne McCaffery Pern, "The Ship Who _____"
>Douglas Adams Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
>Mercedes Lackey Valdemar
>TSR Worlds Forgotten Realms
>Piers Anthony Proton/Phaze, Incarnations of Immortality
>Shakespere's plays
>Spider Robinson Callahans & other short stories
>Elminster sighs. "Yes, I know that there is a Sci-Fi/Fantasy bias in
>there, but, well... Dannelle Steele and Tom Clancy just don't compare
>(IMHO).
Robert Anton Wilson Just about everything he wrote.. but most especially
The Illuminatus! Trilogy (with Robert Shea)
Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy
Mark Twain EVERYTHING!
Dorothy Parker Her short stories mostly.... Her poems are great, but her
stories you can read again and again and again. Just
keep the house free of guns, razor blades and sleeping pills :>
William Gibson Neuromancer, Count Zero, Mona Lisa Overdrive, Virtual Light
Samuel Delaney Dahlgren (!!!!!!), Triton
Those are the faves that come to mind now.... perhaps tomorrow the list will be
different :>
______________________________________________________________________
Chris Barnhart - TechnoPup | "No wife, no horse, no moustache, always
cbar...@mail.ameritel.net | anger and derision."
| -Robert Anton Wilson
Kate
Mike Bloy wrote:
>
>>. . . "I'm curious. What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?", he says, > provoking some puzzled looks, as well as some nods from the
>
> "What I mean is, where do your armchair travels take you, when you're
> too tired to tackle a new book? What are your favorite fictional
> worlds, and your favorite authors? This can include single-novel
> worlds, as well as world based in a series"
>
> "To start things off, here's my list:"
>
> With that, Elm writes the following list on the chalkboard:
>
> Robert A. Heinlien Future History
> Anne McCaffery Pern, "The Ship Who _____"
> Douglas Adams Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
> Mercedes Lackey Valdemar
> TSR Worlds Forgotten Realms
> Piers Anthony Proton/Phaze, Incarnations of Immortality
> Shakespere's plays
> Spider Robinson Callahans & other short stories
>
"This is fun to think on." Kate says, ordering another Sam Adams beer.
"Let's see. . .all of the above, except Mercedes Lackey, whom I've never
read. I like Krynn from TSR (but only what Weis & Hickman wrote. What
else?
Tolkien Middle Earth (once every few years)
Donaldson The Land (Thomas Covenant)
Brust Vlad Taltos/Phoenix Guards
Margaret Weiss Can't remember series name offhand, starts with
"The Lost King"
Robert Tannenbaum his mysteries featuring Butch Karp & Marlene
Ciampi
Piers Anthony Bio of a Space Tyrant
Patricia Kenneally Keltia
Guy Gavriel Kay Anything of his, especially Fionavar
Katherine Kurtz Gwynned (Deryni)
Roger Zelazny Amber.
Kate
I was corrupt before I had any power--King Random of Amber
BetNoir
BetNoir wrote:
>
> Mike Bloy wrote:
>
> >What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?"
I forgot one more....
'Marching Through Georgia' by S.M. Stirling. I am not usually a fan of
either alternative history (the main problem being that unless the author
knows his REAL history, the basis for the alternate history falls apart)
or military history, so I approached this one with no little trepidation.
It was a recommendation from a friend who raved about it.
And, against my instincts, I LOVED it! The Draka scared the beejezus out
of me...and the history held together quite nicely. I got the rest of
the series for my birthday, and can't wait to get started on it!
An interesting side note is that my husband read 'Marching Through
Georgia' after I fininshed it and just HATED it. He found the Draka to
be cold-blooded killers who were untrue to themselves. At which point I
gently pointed out that the Draka were actually VERY true to
themselves....they WERE cold-blooded killers and made no bones about it.
And THAT is what I found so wonderfully creepy-cool about them.
Pat Kight
In article <4uicee$3...@news.inc.net>,
Ager or Persson <mik...@discover-net.net> wrote:
>
>Beth unwinds a long brass chain threaded with prisms, mirrors and lenses
>from her arm and hands it to Jez. "I'm not gonna tell you how I got this,
>but I want you to have it. I've never met another _Dhalgren_ junkie
>before!"
Practically awestruck, Jez accepts the gift and loops the chain around
her neck, shivering slightly at the sound the bits of metal and glass
make as they settle into place.
"Wow, Beth. *Thank you*!"
>
><snip>
>
>>_1000 Years of Solitude_ by Gabriel Garcia Marquez.(Jeez. I stumbled on
>>this when it first came out, and now it's practically a classic. Do I
>>feel old...)
>
>"In the circle of Latin American literature and magical realism, it *is* a
>towering classic. But you stuttered, 'cause it's _100_ years, not 1000.
"You're right, of course. It only *felt* like 1000 years (and I say that
in the best possible sense!) I plead sticky fingers (did you see what I
did to the title of the Mark Helprin book? I really need to clean this
keyboard...)"
>"I just read King's _Dolores Claiborne_ and thought it was really pretty
>good. What a surprise! But I kept it in a plain brown wrapper as I did."
*Giggle* Yeah, it's kind of like confessing that you like John Denver's
music, isn't it?"
--Jezebel
kig...@peak.org
Linda L. Wilkinson
Mike Bloy wrote:
>
> Elminster walks up to the bar, .....
>
and thereby starts a mamoth thread....
I'm listing (but I'll soon straigten up) the following,
and after reading all before me I notice I'm a little light
on the sci-fi stuff, so Thanks for all the good tips to scope
out at the Library(tm)
Robert B Parker - the Spenser series
Janet Evanovic - only two so far but she's good
John D. Mac Donald - Travis McGee series
J. Jaffee - first book A Horse of a Different Killer
C S Lewis - The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe series
(this is my well worn favouritest!)
You'd think I could come up with more after reading several hundred books last year but
it's late here and I'm still listing (^:'
Blessing
--
Linda L. Wilkinson {Zeph. 3:17}
Sidhe Who Must be Obeyed
Linda L. Wilkinson (lw...@sympatico.ca) wrote:
: Mike Bloy wrote:
: >
: > Elminster walks up to the bar, .....
: >
: and thereby starts a mamoth thread....
: I'm listing (but I'll soon straigten up) the following,
: and after reading all before me I notice I'm a little light
: on the sci-fi stuff, so Thanks for all the good tips to scope
: out at the Library(tm)
: Robert B Parker - the Spenser series
: Janet Evanovic - only two so far but she's good
: John D. Mac Donald - Travis McGee series
: J. Jaffee - first book A Horse of a Different Killer
: C S Lewis - The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe series
: (this is my well worn favouritest!)
Banshee glances over at the overflowing bookshelves next to her in
Realspace and decides to join in the conversation.
"Which books do I read to death, and which worlds do I constantly
revisit? Let's see....
Richard Adams - Watership Down
Tad Williams - Tailchaser's Song
George R.R. Martin, et al - the Wild Cards universe
Terri Windling, et al - the Borderlands
Charles DeLint - anything, especially his urban fantasy stories
Terry Pratchett - Discworld
Neil Gaiman - Sandman (anything with writing that good is *not* a
comic book...)
William Shakespeare - anything. everything. pour it on. give me more. let
me revel in his words....
Okay, so I tend towards fantasy and fables and flowery words... beauty is
where you find it. :)
--
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"There is no meaning... only life's dance, * Rebecca Leanne Schoenberg
and in this place we are the new race of * ban...@ties.org
earth being born." - Jack Oakley, "Fiat Silva" * Leah Anne of Bellemont
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Firesong
Firesong notes that Ellminster <mjb...@students.wisc.edu> spake thusly.
>
>
>"To start things off, here's my list:"
>
>With that, Elm writes the following list on the chalkboard:
>
>Robert A. Heinlien Future History
Nope, never read any Heinlien (pauses for massed intake of breath),
ooopsie, small fib, I have read _Waldo and Magic Inc_
>Anne McCaffery Pern, "The Ship Who _____"
Yup, Nice lady.
>Douglas Adams Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Would you like quotes, I can do quotes wholesale.
>Mercedes Lackey Valdemar
Firesong just smiles.
>TSR Worlds Forgotten Realms
Nope, read Dragonlance 'till it got tired.
>Piers Anthony Proton/Phaze, Incarnations of Immortality
Incarnations was cool up until about 6 (Evil), 7 was just plain bad.
>Shakespere's plays
Or Shakespear's plays, or Shakespeare's plays, or any way you like it.
Can't read 'em but I loves watchin 'em.
>Spider Robinson Callahans & other short stories
>
I have only Callahans Crazy Crosstime Saloon, the others aren't
available over here I don't think.
My additions to the list.
Mercedes Lackey - Valdemar and SERRAted edge (I know, buyt good enough
to mention twice)
C J Cherryh - Chanur and Meringoven (as the pick of all the others)
Steven Brust - Taltos the Assassin.
Ellis Peters - The Cadfael Mysteries.
Arthur Conan Doyle - Sherlock Holmes.
Ian Flemming - Bond, James Bond.
Raymond E Feist - The riftwar but particularly the Empire books.
Lois McMaster Bujold - The Miles Vorkosigan stories.
Tom Holt - Delightful myths gone modern.
and some other stuff. (I need a new living room, the old one is full)
Firesong (the smiling)
>
>Elminster sighs. "Yes, I know that there is a Sci-Fi/Fantasy bias in
>there, but, well... Dannelle Steele and Tom Clancy just don't compare
>(IMHO).
>--
>Mike Bloy | Elminster
>If it happened, it must be possible
>Happiness is Earth in your rear-view mirror
>
--
No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will
seriously cramp his style - Vlad Taltos
Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.
barbara trumpinski
>Jezebel, who reads everything she can get her hands on when she has time
>to read (and only slightly less when she doesn't, nods vigorously at the
>second consecutive mention of Delaney. She goes back to _Dhalgren_ about
>once a year and mines new riches out of it every time.
>"Let's see - I like Beth's `books-you've worn-out' concept (which I would
>amplify to `books-you've-either-worn-out-or-had-to-repurchase-several-
>times-because-you-keep-foisting-them-on-unsuspecting-friends.') Delaney's
>*definitely* on the list. So are:
[ ]
>Sherry S. Tepper. Ditto.
her newest _gibbon's decline and fall_ is only out in hardback, so
it's not appropriate for a planetrip, probably, but it is really
really good.
>--Jezebel
>Looking for a big, fat, fascinating book to take my mind off cigarettes
>on the 16-hour, non-smoking flight to Scotland next week...
you could always re-read _gone with the wind_....
kitten-who re-reads several of the books mentioned here and by others
on a regular basis.
--
kit...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu barbara trumpinski
/\ /\ smotu "my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"
{=.=} 'heart time is not clock time...rituals should
~ never be hurried.'
Steven Dyer
>From: mjb...@students.wisc.edu (Mike Bloy)
>Date: Fri Aug 9 10:27:13 1996
>
>Elminster walks up to the bar, accepts a few slices of mist cheese and
>a mug of Shadowdale Ale (imported from the Old Skull Inn), and turns
>to address the patrons. After starting this task, he realizes that he
>doesn't want to send them anywhere, and starts talking instead.
>
>"I'm curious. What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?", he says,
>provoking some puzzled looks, as well as some nods from the patronage.
In addition to many already mentioned (Heinlein, Robinson, McCaffery,
Brian Daley, L. Neil Smith, Steven Brust) my list would have to include
H. Beam Piper (anything)
David Eddings (anything)
Steve Perry (Man Who Never Missed series)
Simon Hawke (Wizard of Fourth Street & Inadequate Adept series)
David Weber (Honor Harrington series & Smuggler's Moon trilogy)
James P. Hogan (Mirror Maze, Voyage from Yesteryear, Genesis Machine,
Code of the Lifemaker,Endgame Enigma)
Christopher Stasheff (Company of Stars series)
Many, many others too numerous to mention.
Humorous fantasy and Military and Libertarian Science Fiction tend to
be my primary favorites.
***********************************************************************
G`Nome
"Outside of a dog a book is man`s best friend
Inside of a dog it`s too dark to read!"
Groucho Marx
***********************************************************************
Caragh Murphy
In article <320B87...@worldnet.att.net>, James Newman <jrne...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
|> Mike Bloy wrote:
|> >
|> <snip>
|> > "I'm curious. What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?", he says,
|> > provoking some puzzled looks, as well as some nods from the patronage.
|> >
|> >
|> > "To start things off, here's my list:"
|> >
|> > With that, Elm writes the following list on the chalkboard:
|> >|> > Robert A. Heinlien Future History
|> > TSR Worlds Forgotten Realms
|> > Spider Robinson Callahans & other short stories
|> >
|> > there, but, well... Dannelle Steele and Tom Clancy just don't compare
|> > (IMHO).
|> > --
|> > Mike Bloy | Elminster
|> > If it happened, it must be possible
|> > Happiness is Earth in your rear-view mirror
|>
|> Heinlein, Adams, and Robinson.
|>
|> "My own additions:
|> Isaac Asimov Foundation Trilogy (iffy about later additions)
|> Ray Bradbury Any and all
|> Arthur C. Clarke 2001 book and movie.
|> J. R. R. Tolkien Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, Silmarillion...
|> (OK, make it all the Middle-Earth stories)
|> Terry Pratchett Discworld series
|> Neil Gaiman All I've seen so far, especially the Sandman
|> series (that's Graphic Novel, not comic
|> book!)
|> Theodore Sturgeon all
|>
|> "Same Sci-Fi/Fantasy bias here. I suspect you'll get alot of it here."
|>
|> Seldon steps back into the shadows and waits attentively(sp?) for more
|> lists of potential gems.
|>
|>
|> Hari Seldon
|>
|> So, how many of you out there have problems with wax on/in the keyboard?
|>
Caragh, ever alert to discussion of books, looks up from her maths texts long
enough to see the lists posted. She adds hers in.
Richard Bach All
Raymond E. Feist Midkemia
L.E. Modesitt Recluce and Candar (I know this guy's written more books,
but you can't get them in nz. Agh!!)
M.K. Wren Pheonix Legacy
Andrew M. Greeley Modern day Chicago and catholicism
Dick Francis England, modern say
Charles de Lint Any and all
Mercedes Lackey Valdemar and the Vales and surrounds
Gavin Lyall adventure/spy/military(sometimes)
"It's not as fantasy biased as it would have been had you asked me five years
ago," she notes, "but I still (re)read an awful lot of the stuff."
Sam Robinson
Mike Bloy, (mjb...@students.wisc.edu) said,
> "I'm curious. What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?", he says,
> provoking some puzzled looks, as well as some nods from the patronage.
>
> too tired to tackle a new book? What are your favorite fictional
> worlds, and your favorite authors? This can include single-novel
> worlds, as well as world based in a series"
>
What an interesting question...
Spider's created a couple that I'm more than passing fond of of course.
My A list includes...in no particular order.
Paratime and Zarathusa (H. Beam Piper)
Unionside, Alliance and the world of the Hani (CJ Cherryh)
Babylon 5 (J.M. Stravinsky)
Amber (Rodger Zelasny)
Gateway (Fred Pohl)
Karres, and wherever Telzy is (James H. Schmitz)
Isher (A.E. Van Vogt)
Ensign Flandry's stand against the long dark (Poul Anderson)
The Caves of Steel and where the robots went (Isaac Asimov)
The market on Deva, and of course Sanctuary (Robert Asprin)
When World Collide and after...(Phillip Wylie and J.G. Balmer)
Dream Park (Larry Niven and Steven Barnes)
Valdemar (Mercedes Lackey)
Many of Alfred Bester worlds, especially Gully's and Lincoln,s
Darkover (Marion Zimmer Bradley)
David Brins Earthclan
Landover (Terry Brooks)
Diskworld (Terry Pratchett)
The worlds of John Brunner
Barrayar (Lois McMaster Bujold)
The court of the Eternal Emperor (Chris Bunch and Alan Cole)
The Jungles of Africa, and Mars (Edgar Rice Burroughs)
Fighting the Demu and the Combine (F.M. Busby)
Pat Cadigan's worlds
Callisto and the Green Star (Lin Carter)
The Eternal Champion's multiverse (Michael Moorcock)
Hyperborea (Robert Howard, L. Sprague De Camp)
Middle Earth of course (JRR Tolkein)
The Well of Souls (Jack Chalker)
The Rim of Space (A. Bertram Chandler)
Sabis (Leslie Fish, Nancy Asire, Mercedes Lackey and C.J. Cherryh)
The White Hart (a place not unlike Callahans!) Arthur C. Clarke
The seas that Barlenan Sails (Hal Clement)
Theodore Cogswell's worlds
The place of the Wizards Bane (Rick Cook)
Dorsai! (Gordon Dickson)
Estchar (Lawrence Watt-Evans)
The Sprawl and Chiba (William Gibson)
With the Cobras (Timothy Zahn)
The worlds protected by the Galactic Patrol (E.E. "Doc" Smith)
Wenschar and others places (Barbara Hamby)
Deathworld (Harry Harrison)
The future history series (R.A. Heinlien) I must note, my first novel,
ever was the Door into Summer not a bad start eh?
Wherever the People are (Zenna Henderson)
Dune (Frank Herbert)
Ganymede where the gentle giants are (James Hogan)
Running from Cthulu (H.P. Lovecraft)
Pern (Anne McCaffrey)
WitchWorld (Andre Norton)
Norstrilla (Cordwainer Smith)
Known Space (Larry Niven)
Out in the Cold with Falkenberg and the 42nd (Jerry Pournelle)
In the Holt with Cutter (Wendy and Richard Pini)
I have to add, that for every one I listed there were several more I
wanted to.
--
Sam Robinson
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If you don't know what you want, you can never ever have it.
Pdeangu
In article <4ufnsg$q...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, we...@aries.scs.uiuc.edu
(Cindy Wells) writes:
>>"I'm curious. What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?", he says,
>>provoking some puzzled looks, as well as some nods from the patronage.
>
>
I like to visit other times:
19th century British navy: Patrick O'Brian
Pre-Christian Greece: Mary Renault
Elizabethan era, in particular the Spanish Armada and events surrounding
it: No fiction I've found, but numerous fascinating histories and
biographies.
-- Paul de Anguera
Brian Griffin
mjb...@students.wisc.edu (Mike Bloy) inscribed on cyberspace:
>"I'm curious. What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?", he says,
>provoking some puzzled looks, as well as some nods from the patronage.
>"What I mean is, where do your armchair travels take you, when you're
>too tired to tackle a new book? What are your favorite fictional
>worlds, and your favorite authors? This can include single-novel
>worlds, as well as world based in a series"
>"To start things off, here's my list:"
>With that, Elm writes the following list on the chalkboard:
{snip}
Brian notes that the chalkboard is rapidly filling, and happily
concurs with a good many of the worlds folx have listed (like Middle
Earth, Pern, Gywnedd, The Land, Heinlein's Future, Amber, Peter
Wimsey's England, The Instrumentality of Mankind Known Space, et al),
but here's a few more I haven't noticed yet that I've found well worth
visiting and revisiting:
Rex Stout Nero Wolfe and Archie Goodwin's New York
P.G. Wodehouse the England of Lord Emsworth, Bertie Wooster, et al
T.S. Eliot the "world" of the Four Quartets
L Frank Baum Oz
Lloyd Alexander Prydain
Charles Dickens England (esp. Mr. Pickwick's)
Will & Ariel Durant their grand vision of *our* world
William Blake his own visionary world
Ursula K. LeGuin Earthsea
L. M. Montgomery Anne and Emily's Prince Edward Island
Elizabeth Moon Paksenarrion's world
Randall Garrett his alternate Angevin kingdom
Poul Anderson Polesotechnic League
A. Conan Doyle Holmes and Watson's London
"Y'know, this should apply to another kind of world as well-
Van Eyck has his world, Corot has his, Cezanne his, Burne-Jones, El
Greco, Memling, Morris...to name just a few favourites I love to
visit.....what worlds of *that* kind do folx frequent?"
--
Brian Griffin gri...@cdt.infi.net
"Sitting in mangrove valley chasing light beams...."
-Robert Hunter/Jerry Garcia "Doin That Rag"
William Martinez
On 12 Aug 1996, Steven Dyer wrote:
> In addition to many already mentioned (Heinlein, Robinson, McCaffery,
> Brian Daley, L. Neil Smith, Steven Brust) my list would have to include
>
> H. Beam Piper (anything)
> David Eddings (anything)
> Steve Perry (Man Who Never Missed series)
> Simon Hawke (Wizard of Fourth Street & Inadequate Adept series)
> David Weber (Honor Harrington series & Smuggler's Moon trilogy)
> James P. Hogan (Mirror Maze, Voyage from Yesteryear, Genesis Machine,
> Code of the Lifemaker,Endgame Enigma)
> Christopher Stasheff (Company of Stars series)
> Many, many others too numerous to mention.
>
> Humorous fantasy and Military and Libertarian Science Fiction tend to
> be my primary favorites.
Bill peers up from his glass of Red Nectar (imported from Humboldt
County) and offers this in reply:
"Personally, as far as humor fantasy is concerned, I like Robert Aspirin
(Myth and Phule Series). BUt all of the others listed are just as good too."
Bill then downs the rest of his brew, places another dollar on the bar
and asks Mike for another.
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Bruce E Golightly
Most of RAH, annually
Spider Robinson!
McCaffery's "Pern" books
G.R. Dickson's "Childe Cycle"
most of Niven
David Drake's "Hammer's Slammers"
Anam, who is having trouble keeping up any more.
Lady Cheron FitzGerald
Lady Cheron rummages through her purse-of-holding (tm), and calls out
worlds. "Toklien - Middle Earth. McCaffrey - Pern. Arthur Ransome's
Lake District (Swallows & Amazons, et.al). Lewis Carroll's Wonderland
(Alice and friends) Yes, I still re-read the "kid stories", particularly
when I'm very tired or ill. "Comfort food" for the mind.
"I've read-to-death several Heinlein titles, Kipling, and Clarke.
But I seem to read quite a bit of non-fiction as well--major interests
are history and archaeology. Then there's my secret vice." She looks
around, and (hoping no one will laugh) whispers, "Victoria Holt Romances."
--
Lady Cheron
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In article <4umaqp$s...@cantuc.canterbury.ac.nz>,
math...@math.canterbury.ac.nz says...
>
>In article <320B87...@worldnet.att.net>, James Newman
<jrne...@worldnet.att
>.net> writes:
>|> Mike Bloy wrote:
>|> >
>|> <snip>
says,
>|> > provoking some puzzled looks, as well as some nods from the
patronage.
>|> >
>|> >
>|> > "To start things off, here's my list:"
>|> >
>|> > With that, Elm writes the following list on the chalkboard:
AJ chimes in:
Sir A. Conan Doyle Sherlock Holmes
Dame Agatha Christie Miss Marple and Hercule Poirot
Mark Twain Anything
Rudyard Kipling See above
R.A.H. I repeat, see above
Spider Robinson Callahans stories and Time Pressure
Louis LaMore Yes, that's me buying the reprints
David Drake Hammer's Slammers
Tolkien Middle Earth
Ursala LeGuin Earth Sea
Andre Norton Fore runner series
Alan Dean Foster Flinx
Time to stop. This list could devolve into a full catalogue of the SF
and mystery section from the local library.
--
AJ
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There's only one thing that I know to do well and I've often been told
that you only can do what you know how to do well and that's be you, be
what you're like, be like yourself, and so I'm having a wonderful time
but I'd rather be whistling in the dark. - They Might Be Giants
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Sanford E. Walke IV
Ager or Persson (mik...@discover-net.net) wrote:
: "In the circle of Latin American literature and magical realism,
This is the second time in a week that I've heard the term "magical realism".
Could someone explain it, please?
--
Sandy se...@izzy.net
"Fatty tissue, convolutions, chemicals and tiny lightning....this is
all my head has to work with, so I cut it a lot of slack." -- JT
I don't speak for anyone but myself, and sometimes not even that.
Hodgepodge
Lady Cheron FitzGerald wrote:
> [...]
> Then there's my secret vice." She looks
> around, and (hoping no one will laugh) whispers, "Victoria Holt Romances."
Aarrggghhh! NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Quick Mike, DJ, Leslie, Soozeeq, everyone! Gather 'round! The "romance" novel
publishers have got her and wont let go! We have to do something.
If we dont act quickly... She might start watching soap operas during the day.
Oh, dear! Oh, dear!
I hope we arent too late...
Hodgepodge
barbara trumpinski
>Lady Cheron FitzGerald wrote:
>> [...]
>> Then there's my secret vice." She looks
>> around, and (hoping no one will laugh) whispers, "Victoria Holt Romances."
hodgepodge:
>Aarrggghhh! NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
>Quick Mike, DJ, Leslie, Soozeeq, everyone! Gather 'round! The "romance" novel
>publishers have got her and wont let go! We have to do something.
>If we dont act quickly... She might start watching soap operas during the day.
>Oh, dear! Oh, dear!
>I hope we arent too late...
"HEY, WAIT A MINUTE!!!! i watch a soap opera (although i have to tape
it and watch it at night). what's wrong with a good soap opera. (and
i have been known to read victoria holt, too." (kitten, who's life is
a soap opera, tries to look offended and fails miserably)
Wayne S Garmil
First off, I would like to visit the above four (I still keep saying
"Damn you, Zane!" whenever I hear about another tragedy with lots of
deaths. And yes, I know it's not Zane's choice who lives and who
dies, but at least I have someone to blame :)
I would like to add my favorite fantasy series to the list:
Raymond E. Feist Midkemia (Riftwar, Serpentwar, and other
related stories)
One place I would *avoid* going is Castle Rock, Maine (Stephen King).
Too many bad things happen there (Needful Things would hold many
tempting things for me...)
As for sci-fi, I'm not sure. I can't think of anyplace that would
hold my interest long enough (surprisingly).
I know there are others, but these two jumped to the top of my head.
Wayne
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Pat Kight
Sanford E. Walke IV wrote:
>
> Ager or Persson (mik...@discover-net.net) wrote:
>
> : "In the circle of Latin American literature and magical realism,
>
> This is the second time in a week that I've heard the term "magical realism".
> Could someone explain it, please?
Jezebel puts on her reading glasses (which give her a slightly
professorial air, if you ignore the fact that her hair is redder
than ever this morning and the tip of her nose is sunburned),
"ahems" a little and says:
"Magical realism describes a genre of contemporary writing,
generally by Latin American authors (although the term itself comes from
German art criticism).
"As the name implies, it usually involves realistic stories (ie.,
about actual human beings in real-world
settings, as opposed to unicorns and wizards and outright fantasy) in
which "magical" or inexplicable things happen, often contrary to the
laws of nature, but are (often) accepted as matter-of-course by the
characters in the stories.
" Major influences include
Franz Kafka and Pablo Neruda; major authors include Gabriel Garcia
Marquez, Jorge Luis Borges, Juan Rulfo, and Isabel Allende. The genre
has begun to transcend geographic boundaries. Non-Latin writers often
included in the genre are Italo Calvino, John Barth, Umberto Ecco and Salman
Rushdie. I consider the works of Mark Helprin (Winter's Tale, Refiner's Fire)
to have a strong flavor of magical realism.
"Have you seen the movie Like Water For Chocolate? Good example of
magical realism ...
"On a lighter note: I've heard it suggested that "Who Framed Roger
Rabbit?" is a good working example of the genre, too, since it combines
human and cartoon characters in a seamless whole where neither is much
surprised at the other's presence."
--Jezebel
kig...@peak.org
Ager or Persson
kit...@staff.uiuc.edu (barbara trumpinski) wrote:
>"HEY, WAIT A MINUTE!!!! i watch a soap opera (although i have to tape
>it and watch it at night). what's wrong with a good soap opera. (and
>i have been known to read victoria holt, too." (kitten, who's life is
>a soap opera, tries to look offended and fails miserably)
A short brunette rises out of the folding chair she's been sitting in and
clears her throat. "My name is Beth A. and I'm a soapaholic. From the
age of fourteen to twenty-two I followed the antics of the people of Pine
Valley. Yes, I was an addict of All My Children. For eight years I sat
inside, rain or shine, each noon and booed the bitches and the cads and
*really* paid attention when characters fell in love. I was inconsolable
when, after years of near misses, Jenny and Greg finally got married and
then that Jet-Ski(tm) blew up and lacerated Jenny's liver and she died,
telling Greg, 'Don't cry,' just like Evita, and--oh, it was *so* sad..."
Beth A. pauses a moment to collect herself and continues,"And then my
habit began to grow. I started watching some of the rest of ABC's daytime
lineup. First Ryan's Hope and then Loving when it came on the air. Then
I started watching those two all the time. I was spending two hours a day
watching those families do and say wicked and melodramatic things to one
another and thinking about them long after Alex Trebec had crowned someone
Jeopardy champion. I was hiding my viewing from other people, and that
kind of depressed me, but I *really* hit rock bottom somewhere in 1987.
"I was watching my usual three soaps, and one week all three shows
had--can you guess what the corniest thing is that soap writers throw at
their fans, folks?--all three shows had an AMNESIA STORYLINE. Gah! I had
nowhere to go but up. And now I've been soap-free for nine years and am
very proud of myself! And grateful to my higher power--the WRITTEN WORD."
With a little frisson, Beth A. sits back down in her beige folding chair,
takes a sip from her styrofoam cup of black coffee and lights up another
cigarette.
--
Beth A.
Paul Campbell
On 11 Aug 1996, barbara trumpinski wrote:
> >--Jezebel
> >Looking for a big, fat, fascinating book to take my mind off cigarettes
> >on the 16-hour, non-smoking flight to Scotland next week...
>
> you could always re-read _gone with the wind_....
>
> kitten-who re-reads several of the books mentioned here and by others
> on a regular basis.
>
Or the thousand + pages worth of Edith Pargeter's `The Brothers Gwynydd'
series. Fascinating historical fiction, if you're into that.
- Xzerrion
John W. Vinson
mjb...@students.wisc.edu (Mike Bloy) wrote:
>"I'm curious. What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?"
"Hrm." comments John the Wysard. "Well, LotR of course; hardly need
to actually *read* it anymore. Tony Hillerman's mysteries set in
Navajo country. _Always Coming Home_ by LeGuin (heck, *anything* by
LeGuin). Damn, gotta do some more reading - thanks for the thread and
the big list of suggestions it's generating!"
Lady Cheron FitzGerald
Hodgepodge wrote:
>
> Lady Cheron FitzGerald wrote:
> > [...]
> > Then there's my secret vice." She looks
> > around, and (hoping no one will laugh) whispers, "Victoria Holt Romances."
>
>
> Quick Mike, DJ, Leslie, Soozeeq, everyone! Gather 'round! The "romance" novel
> publishers have got her and wont let go! We have to do something.
> If we dont act quickly... She might start watching soap operas during the day.
"Never! I have too much fun on the Net!"
> Oh, dear! Oh, dear!
>
> I hope we arent too late...
"You are. I've been reading those things since before I left high school.
Yes, its a vice, less hazardous to your health than smoking, more socially
acceptable than spitting on the bus, and better than tranquilizers. Ten or
twelve pages, and I drop right off! Nearly as good as _The History of the
Kings of Britain_ by Geoffrey of Monmouth."
> Hodgepodge
"But thanks for the kind thoughts, dear. I appreciate what you're trying
to do. Shall we have a drink and discuss the matter further?"
Fae
Kate (kate.m...@hsc.utah.edu) wrote:
: Mike Bloy wrote:
: > "To start things off, here's my list:"
: >
: > With that, Elm writes the following list on the chalkboard:
: >
: > Robert A. Heinlien Future History
: > Anne McCaffery Pern, "The Ship Who _____"
: > Douglas Adams Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
: > Mercedes Lackey Valdemar
: > TSR Worlds Forgotten Realms
: > Piers Anthony Proton/Phaze, Incarnations of Immortality
: > Shakespere's plays
: > Spider Robinson Callahans & other short stories
: >
: Tolkien Middle Earth (once every few years)
: Donaldson The Land (Thomas Covenant)
: Brust Vlad Taltos/Phoenix Guards
: Margaret Weiss Can't remember series name offhand, starts with
: "The Lost King"
: Robert Tannenbaum his mysteries featuring Butch Karp & Marlene
: Ciampi
: Piers Anthony Bio of a Space Tyrant
: Patricia Kenneally Keltia
: Guy Gavriel Kay Anything of his, especially Fionavar
: Katherine Kurtz Gwynned (Deryni)
: Roger Zelazny Amber.
Just thought I'd add a few myself
Jordan The Wheel of Time Series
M.Z. Bradly(ley?) The Mists of Avalon
and most everything by I. Asimov!
lots of others as well, but these are the best to date that aren't
mentioned above. Oh, forgot one (at work, can't look at my library)
David Eddings all of his series so far, mostly Belgarian and Malorian
Fae
--
And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
-Pink Floyd
Wolfestead
Seosiadh, help me out here.
What's the name of the world in Eddings books? You know, the place
Belgarath and Polgara hang out. Damn if I can remember.
--
Morgan O'Daire /|\
Lady of House Wolfestead
Cornet-at-Large serving Clann Fhaoilcheire
Sanford E. Walke IV
Pat Kight (kig...@peak.org) wrote:
: " Major influences include
: Franz Kafka and Pablo Neruda; major authors include Gabriel Garcia
: Marquez, Jorge Luis Borges, Juan Rulfo, and Isabel Allende. The genre
: has begun to transcend geographic boundaries. Non-Latin writers often
: included in the genre are Italo Calvino, John Barth, Umberto Ecco and Salman
: Rushdie. I consider the works of Mark Helprin (Winter's Tale, Refiner's Fire)
: to have a strong flavor of magical realism.
So, would that include stuff like "The Great and Secret Show", by Clive Barker?
M'jit M Raindancer
M'jit smiles at the question, considering she introduced herself as being a
Galactic HItch-hiker...
"Well, when I was younger, I traipsed across the American Midwest during
the 1800's dozens of times, making the trips from Wisconsin to Indian Territory
to Minnesota to Dakota Territory and finally Missouri with my dear friend
Laura (Wilder). NOt to mention spending some time with a certain *Farmer Boy*
My Little House books has worn spots along the covers where the sweat from
my fingers ate away at the edges.
I have been to pern and Ballybran, and traveled those worlds linked by
FT&T...
I have listened to a pair of self-centered vampires bemoan the curse of
immortality...
I have traveled the lands fromthe Dorisha Plains to the Ice Wall Mountains,
from the Dungeons of Hardorn to the Pelagir Hills...
I have dossed in Lady Sally's, and tossed in Callahan's...
I have D-hopped with Mr. Skeeve, hitched rides with Mahendosat and Hani alike,
and always managed to come home with a ship named Enterprise...
I have listened to a Black Stallion's hooves thunder down many-a track, and
heard the winds howl over Chincoteague...
I have traipsed across the English countryside with a vet named Herriot,
and a band of rabbits led by a runt named Fiver...
I helped Carrie White kill her mother.
I have joined the Dorsai, and lived in Future History.
I have met witches named Who, Whatsit, Which (married women, all), and Diana
Tregarde...
And I have adventured with an Amazon Princess through many lifetimes.
I have traveled numerous worlds, met many people, and nearly always learned
something along the way (like how to enjoy Really Awful poetry :)). The
best part of any trip, I have found, is taking someone with you when you
go back. (sure as hell beats boring them with the slide show... :))
M'jit
Pat Kight
In article <4uodjl$l...@izzy4.izzy.net>,
Sanford E. Walke IV <se...@izzy.net> wrote:
>Pat Kight (kig...@peak.org) wrote:
>
>: " Major influences include
>: Franz Kafka and Pablo Neruda; major authors include Gabriel Garcia
>: Marquez, Jorge Luis Borges, Juan Rulfo, and Isabel Allende. The genre
>: has begun to transcend geographic boundaries. Non-Latin writers often
>: included in the genre are Italo Calvino, John Barth, Umberto Ecco and Salman
>: Rushdie. I consider the works of Mark Helprin (Winter's Tale, Refiner's Fire)
>: to have a strong flavor of magical realism.
>
>So, would that include stuff like "The Great and Secret Show", by Clive Barker?
"Good question. Barker generally sits right smack in the middle of the
horror genre, but TG&SS does have elements that cross a lot of borders.
Hmmm ... maybe one of our litcrit folx could comment?"
---Jezebel
kig...@peak.org
soozeeq
Hodgepodge <m...@hic.net> wrote:
>Lady Cheron FitzGerald wrote:
>> [...]
>> Then there's my secret vice." She looks
>> around, and (hoping no one will laugh) whispers, "Victoria Holt Romances."
>Aarrggghhh! NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
>Quick Mike, DJ, Leslie, Soozeeq, everyone! Gather 'round! The "romance" novel
>publishers have got her and wont let go! We have to do something.
>If we dont act quickly... She might start watching soap operas during the day.
>Oh, dear! Oh, dear!
>I hope we arent too late...
>Hodgepodge
In that her life (of late, AND early) has been operating very much on
soap opera principles, Soozeeq noses into this thread for a
moment.....as much as she hates to admit her past vices, all through
high school, she was addicted to _All My Children_ (she can even
remember the opening episdoes and the original "Phil", who was dating
some little chickie who's name she can't retrieve at the
moment)....her addiction to this melodrama spread on through her years
in college.....in fact, her jones got so bad that eventually she
started scheduling her classes around the Noon hour to join hundreds
of other Erica Kane freaks (including *MEN*) who religiously (on a
daily basis) all clammered around the TV sets at the student union.
After college, she abandoned her TV vice for RL soap operas, but then
when life became somewhat boring, one summer she returned to _All My
Children_ and added _General Hospital_ to the schedule. Upon
entering graduate school, she reliquished her TV habits altogether
until she landed a diagnostic placement in a private practice that was
packed to the rafters with _All My Children_ addicts....exactly at
Noon, for one hour, we relinqushed the pains of our patients to
contemplate the pains of our favorte AMC personalities.....since then,
from time to time, she catches a few episodes, in search of her
favorite old characters....the plots just thicken and change with the
political tide, but the "characters" are the real draw.....
My philosophy is that when you watch a soap opera, you can place your
own RL soap opera back into perspective......because NOBODY CAN
POSSIBLY EXPERIENCE *THAT* MANY TRAGEDIES, MARRIAGES, LOSSES, CHANGES,
OR DISASTERS IN ONE LIFETIME AND LIVE TO TELL ABOUT THEM!
--Soozeeq (who also admits to having read some rather "fluffy"
romantic novels, after years of studying the classics....I figure, in
between the 8-grain loaves, ya' need a little nasty white bread to
balance out yer diet!)
Hodgepodge
barbara trumpinski wrote:
> >Lady Cheron FitzGerald wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> Then there's my secret vice." She looks
> >> around, and (hoping no one will laugh) whispers, "Victoria Holt Romances."
> >Aarrggghhh! NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
>
> >Quick Mike, DJ, Leslie, Soozeeq, everyone! Gather 'round! The "romance" novel
> >publishers have got her and wont let go! We have to do something.
> >If we dont act quickly... She might start watching soap operas during the day.
> >Oh, dear! Oh, dear!
> >I hope we arent too late...
>
> it and watch it at night). what's wrong with a good soap opera. (and
> i have been known to read victoria holt, too." (kitten, who's life is
> a soap opera, tries to look offended and fails miserably)
OH NO! They have kitten too! And I thought we got rid of that
nasty purple virus that made us all sing... Well you know the tune!
In my years of raising (hopefully) healthy daughters, I have had the occasion to
spend plenty of time with mothers. It has been my observation (subject to
correction - please) that soaps tend to suck the minds out of otherwise
normal/healthy viewers and turn them into "Stepford" types who just want money
and/or status. Please correct me if I am wrong! I hope I am!
Having worked at home for 6 of the last 11 years (legitemately - not stuffing
envelopes), I have the feeling that the plots that a bunch of the shows revolve
around is: folks that are "$^$@ing and killing each other and lieing about it!)
Hodgepodge - expressing a personal feeling - that is all...
Sidhe Who Must be Obeyed
Hodgepodge (m...@hic.net) wrote:
: OH NO! They have kitten too! And I thought we got rid of that
: nasty purple virus that made us all sing... Well you know the tune!
: In my years of raising (hopefully) healthy daughters, I have had the occasion to
: spend plenty of time with mothers. It has been my observation (subject to
: correction - please) that soaps tend to suck the minds out of otherwise
: normal/healthy viewers and turn them into "Stepford" types who just want money
: and/or status. Please correct me if I am wrong! I hope I am!
Banshee gets a thoughtful look on her face.... "I'm not sure if the soap
operas a mother watches influence her or how she raises her children, but
it might explain a lot in my case - my mom watched "Dark Shadows"
constantly while she was home with me when I was a baby...." :)
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and in this place we are the new race of * ban...@ties.org
earth being born." - Jack Oakley, "Fiat Silva" * Leah Anne of Bellemont
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Hodgepodge
Ager or Persson wrote:
>
> kit...@staff.uiuc.edu (barbara trumpinski) wrote:
>
> >"HEY, WAIT A MINUTE!!!! i watch a soap opera (although i have to tape
> >it and watch it at night). what's wrong with a good soap opera. (and
> >i have been known to read victoria holt, too." (kitten, who's life is
> >a soap opera, tries to look offended and fails miserably)
>
> clears her throat. "My name is Beth A. and I'm a soapaholic.
[snipped tale of falling under the spell of soaps]
> Gah! I had
> nowhere to go but up. And now I've been soap-free for nine years and am
> very proud of myself! And grateful to my higher power--the WRITTEN WORD."
Sounds like a self imposed 12 step program.
4 steps over to the TV to turn it off.
4 more steps to the bookcase to get something good to read.
4 more steps to a comfortable chair.
Sounds like a perfect 12 step program.
Congrats Beth!
Now, if we could only get folks to stop watching the tabloid trash TV shows too!
Hodgepodge
Paul Campbell
Let's see, the countries were Sendaria, Arendia, Tolnedra, Maragor,
Nyissa, Cherek, Riva, Algaria, Drasnia, Cthol Murgos, Mallorea, Mishrac ak
Thull, and Gar og Nadrak (think that's all of them) but I don't think the
world was ever named.
- Xzerrion
Joseph Y. Prather
Sam Robinson wrote:
>
> Mike Bloy, (mjb...@students.wisc.edu) said,
>
> > "I'm curious. What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?", he says,
> > provoking some puzzled looks, as well as some nods from the patronage.
> >
> > too tired to tackle a new book? What are your favorite fictional
> > worlds, and your favorite authors? This can include single-novel
> > worlds, as well as world based in a series"
> >
>
>
Mrrr, piecing together the thread (I still find that often I see replies
posted with no original article - grrr), says:
In no particular order, and very incompletely,
L. Sprague de Camp The Compleat Enchanter
Jonathan Gash Lovejoy and the world of antiques
Dick Francis horses and courses and crooks
Peter Lovesey Sergeant Cribb (Victorian England)
A. Conan Doyle Sherlock Holmes
John Mortimer Rumpole of the Bailey
Robert A. Heinlein Body of work
Larry Niven Known Space and elsewhere
Ellis Peters Brother Cadfael
Orson Scott Card Alvin Maker's world
Lillian Jackson Braun The cat who...
Rudyard Kipling India...and elsewhere, too
Anne McCaffrey Pern...and elsewhere
Terry Pratchett Discworld
Robert Graves I, Claudius (not the safest world, but so
interesting)
Our Founder, Spider Robinson Body of work
And there's More, more, more, but let's not waste bandwidth.
I could go on...It's a good thing the Bookshelves(tm) here are infinite,
unlike mine in RS.
Mike, another Bushmill's, please. Listing all of these is thirsty work!
--Mrrr (Martha Todd-Prather, using spouse's machine)
John Edwards
The Ever-So-Wise soo...@concentric.net (soozeeq) wrote:
<Confession of being a Soap Opra addict Snipped!>
->--Soozeeq (who also admits to having read some rather "fluffy"
->romantic novels, after years of studying the classics....I figure, in
->between the 8-grain loaves, ya' need a little nasty white bread to
->balance out yer diet!)
Oh, dear. I may have made a mistake introducing you to
Misty's (Mercedes Lackey) books. They are almost a soap opra in
and of themselves, and one you have to wait a year between
epesodes.
Which reminds me, the new book is due out soon (Next month,
IIRC). Is anyone else here chomping at the bit to get ahold of
it?
John
Paul Campbell
On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, John Edwards wrote:
> Oh, dear. I may have made a mistake introducing you to
> Misty's (Mercedes Lackey) books. They are almost a soap opra in
> and of themselves, and one you have to wait a year between
> epesodes.
> Which reminds me, the new book is due out soon (Next month,
> IIRC). Is anyone else here chomping at the bit to get ahold of
> it?
>
> John
Yes, when do we get to see `Storm Breaking' and find out if Karal can make
up his mind about Natoli? :)
- Xzerrion
Firesong
Firesong notes that John Edwards <hark...@ix.netcom.com> spake thusly.
>The Ever-So-Wise soo...@concentric.net (soozeeq) wrote:
>
> <Confession of being a Soap Opra addict Snipped!>
>
>->--Soozeeq (who also admits to having read some rather "fluffy"
>->romantic novels, after years of studying the classics....I figure, in
>->between the 8-grain loaves, ya' need a little nasty white bread to
>->balance out yer diet!)
>
>Misty's (Mercedes Lackey) books. They are almost a soap opra in
>and of themselves, and one you have to wait a year between
>epesodes.
> Which reminds me, the new book is due out soon (Next month,
>IIRC). Is anyone else here chomping at the bit to get ahold of
>it?
>
>John
Firesong removes the bit for long enough to cry.
"Me, as if you couldn't guess."
Firesong
--
"It's not unknown for Men to use sex to get what they want." - Daphne
"How can we use sex to get what we want? Sex _IS_ what we want." - Frasier
John Barnstead
Mike Bloy, Elminster, (mjb...@students.wisc.edu) wrote:
: "I'm curious. What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?", he says,
: provoking some puzzled looks, as well as some nods from the patronage.
Barnstead, faithful amanuensis and general factotum to His Pleonasm
Pernicious, the Musquodoboit Harbour Farm Cat, has been pondering this
question for some time while stuck beyond the French Doors (tm), and
is happy to be home at last to call out his reply:
1. Elizabeth Coatsworth, "The Cat who Went to Heaven".
2. "One Hundred and One Uses for A dead Cat".
3. "How to Live with a Neurotic Cat" [assuming #2 is unavailable...]
............. just joking, Pernicious...............
Actually, first on my list would have to begin with the wonderful "Baba Yaga"
stories serialized in "Jack and Jill" magazine c. 1958, followed by
the Universes of E. E. Smith, Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, Arthur
C. Clark, and Frank Herbert; then there was the Shopton of Tom Swift
Sr. and Jr., and of course Rick Brant's Spindrift Island, where he,
Scotty and I played for uncounted hours in the sixties... Mary Renault's
Greece and Macedonia, Tolkien's Middle Earth, the Peru of Jose Maria
Arguedas, Mario Vargas-Llosa (whose "Aunt Julia and the Scriptwriter"
is one of the funiiest novels I've ever read) and Ann Nolan Clark ("Secret
of the Andes" - I read it in the third grade and still loved it when I read
it again last year); Mary Poppins and Freddy the Pig, the world in the
evening of Christopher Isherwood... I suppose I must stop... Anyway,
any Callahanians who ever find themselves in Halifax (it's too small a
town to lose yourself in...) are welcome to inspect the shelves...
Pernicious the Musquodoboit Harbour Farm Cat admits to being fond of
the Rome revealed in the poetry of CAT-tullus...
John Edwards
The Ever-So-Wise Paul Campbell <xzer...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
->Yes, when do we get to see `Storm Breaking' and find out if Karal can make
->up his mind about Natoli? :)
->
->- Xzerrion
IIRC, it's due out in October, from what I've been able to
find out.
Yea, someone needs to take the VR 2x4(tm) to that boy :)
John
Mike Bloy
hark...@ix.netcom.com (John Edwards) wrote:
> Which reminds me, the new book is due out soon (Next month,
>IIRC). Is anyone else here chomping at the bit to get ahold of
>it?
Ye Gods, yes. I'm also patiently waiting for Storm Rising to come out
in paperback, 'cause everytime I see the Hardcover edition in the
bookstore, it calls to me... "Buy me. Buy me now!"... and for a
college student, living on a meager budget, such things can't be done.
--
Mike Bloy | Elminster
If it happened, it must be possible
Happiness is Earth in your rear-view mirror
Ken Comer
In article <Pine.A32.3.92a.960809...@homer17.u.washington.edu>,
Paul Campbell <xzer...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Mike Bloy wrote:
>> "To start things off, here's my list:"
>>
>> With that, Elm writes the following list on the chalkboard:
THREAD, MIGHT I SUGGEST GOING TO www.dejanews.com AND SEARCHING FOR
"TSR visit chalkboard list"]]
The spiegel puts up a mirror-- floating in your reflection, you can see
many of the aforementioned authors/titles plus:
John D. MacDonald Travis McGee series; _The Girl, the Gold Watch, and
Everything_ (referenced in _Lady Slings_)
Tony Hillerman Chee stories
Amy Thomson _Virtual Girl_, _Color of Distance_
Leo Frankowski Conrad Stargard series
Robert Aspirin "Myth" series; _Tambu_
George R. R. Martin _Tuf Voyaging_
He winks and vanishes in a cloud of shimmering silver shards...
--
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Ken Comer | http://www.metronet.com/~kcomer | aka spiegel
Roland X
Mike Bloy, (mjb...@students.wisc.edu) said,
> "I'm curious. What worlds do you visit on a regular basis?", he says,
> provoking some puzzled looks, as well as some nods from the patronage.
>
> too tired to tackle a new book? What are your favorite fictional
> worlds, and your favorite authors? This can include single-novel
> worlds, as well as world based in a series"
>
My travels are a bit...odd.
World of Darkness Various titles, but primarily Mage: the
Ascension
Robert Heinlein Anything and everything (sp. Past
thru Tomorrow)
E.E. "Doc" Smith Lensmen
Marvel Comics X-Men
DC Comics Silver Age (Pre-Crisis) Flash &
Justice League
RTG Mekton Zeta (Invasion-Terra)
George R.R. Martin (ed.) Wild Cards
"Jack McKinney" Robotech
and, of course...
Our Patron The Place
Truth beyond Paradox.
Roland X, Freelance Immortal
"Do not become your enemy to defeat your enemy."
-epitaph, Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell)
Sasquatch
I was waiting for a little bit of the traffic in this thread to die
down, after all I figured that all I would have to do would be to wait
long enough and all my titles would be covered. This was working pretty
well, I even saw Z. Henderson's "People" mentioned and I was one of
three people I knew of (not including the author) who had ever
encountered the series. But noone has mentioned Ann Maxwell's
"Fire Dancer" series. Am I the only patron to have read her(admittedly
hard to find) work?
The Sasquatch
The Renaissance Man
Quoth Sasquatch <fa...@rmi.net>:
] I was waiting for a little bit of the traffic in this thread to die
"No," Alaric replies, "but are we the only two? Excellent books."
Alaric has not even considered attempting to list all his favorite books
and authors, as the result would be close to a book in itself.
--
Phil Stracchino Babylon Project System Administrator
ala...@babcom.com Creator, alt.support.survivors.prozac
The Renaissance Man http://www.babcom.com/jwz/alaric/
NRA, NRA-ILA, NRA-SATF, GOA, GOC, CRPA, CCRKBA, SAF, LEAA, NRAMC-SV