Ninja Stars

[Tang Huyen]

<http://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-scarborough-obama-just-pulled-jedi-mind-trick-on-trump>

<<This past Friday, the Washington Post reported that the
Obama administration weighed a more forceful response
to the Kremlin once it became clear that they were trying
to influence the outcome of the presidential race, but
ultimately declined to do so.
In the words of one former White House official, “I feel like
we sort of choked.”
By that night, Trump was acknowledging “election meddling
by Russia” for the first time on Twitter:

"Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Just out: The Obama Administration knew far in advance
of November 8th about election meddling by Russia. Did
nothing about it. WHY?"

“How many people have tried to get Donald Trump to admit
that the Russians meddled with the 2016 election?”
Scarborough asked. “All Barack Obama has to do is just
come back on the scene in his Jedi garb.”
Similarly, Obama called the Senate GOP’s health care bill
“mean” in his Facebook post late last week and a few days
later, Trump was admitting that he had called it “mean” on
Fox News.
“Obama! Strong the force is with his family,” Scarborough
added, doing his best Yoda impression. He then cut to clip
of Obama in action before playing the Obi-Wan Kenobi
“These aren’t the droids you’re looking for” scene from A
New Hope.>>

So, Obambi cast Ninja stars into Clump's mind, and the
latter accepted Obambi's missives as his own and acted
on them, promptly.

I am jealous.

Tang Huyen

[liaM]

Jealous and sly, how sly.. LOL

[Ned Ludd]

"liaM" <cud...@mindless.com> wrote in message
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It ain't ninja stars and it ain't Star Wars. It's the fucked-up
spineless, deceitful, traitorous whores of the Republican party.
Best editorial cartoon since the election (if you're looking for
a sci-fi analogy)...

http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/ows_149523845512009.jpg

Ned

[liaM]

Most politicians are anal folks who couldn't give a damn if 23 million
people are wiped off the face of the earth so long as that gives them
a little more space to puff and pucker over lost golf balls. Anal.
Sublimanal, most of them..

[Ned Ludd]

"liaM" <cud...@mindless.com> wrote in message

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Ah, this is the second time in a week that I've heard comparisons
to the time before the French revolution and the beheadings that
established the principle of 'equality'. I'm not sure that an 'average'
person who is alive today and who hopes to live at the standard
of living that I live at can do it.

If there were a revolution, what would it look like?

Ned

[Tang Huyen]

On 6/26/2017 9:29 PM, Ned Ludd wrote:

> Ah, this is the second time in a week that I've heard comparisons
> to the time before the French revolution and the beheadings that
> established the principle of 'equality'. I'm not sure that an 'average'
> person who is alive today and who hopes to live at the standard
> of living that I live at can do it.
>
> If there were a revolution, what would it look like?

I have worked alongside many Russians, and mingled
with them in healthcare. They tend to be very pushy and
demanding, and I can scarcely imagine them living under
Red Terror. Even the women receiving healthcare are
not shrinking violets, to put it mildly. Yet their country
went through Red Terror.

If anybody thinks that the recent version of Red Terror
in Cambodia under Pol Pot was due to the backward
status of the country, think again. Clump is pushing
toward the same direction. I keep hearing from Asians
getting told to go back to their countries in major cities
in the US, like Boston. (Actually Boston is quite racist).

The populist thrust of Clump is supported by many whites
who hold no truck with non-whites -- blacks, Hispanics
and Asians. It may come to civil war, but fought by
civilians. Democrats have almost no good strategy on
how to win elections. Their politics of contempt does not
work. If anything, it reinforces the reactionary people (the
whites) in their resentment. Clump knows how to reflect
back to them their boiling anger and amp it further.

Retail jobs are disappearing, for good. The job market is
both shrinking and going down in pay. The whole scene
is scary. And China is very skilful at exploiting Clump's
machinations and twist the knife, in the US and
worldwide.

The 'average' person who is alive today may turn into
beheader, en masse. Economic malaise is not going to
decrease, au contraire.

Tang Huyen

[dagnabit]

"Ned Ludd" wrote in message
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>
>
> "liaM" <cud...@mindless.com> wrote in message
> news:oisdti$djc$1...@dont-email.me...
> > On 6/27/2017 12:53 AM, Ned Ludd wrote:
> >>
> >> "liaM" <cud...@mindless.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ois0uj$enq$1...@dont-email.me...
> >>> On 6/26/2017 11:41 PM, Tang Huyen wrote:
> >>>> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-scarborough-obama-just-pulled-jedi-mind-trick-on-trump>
> >>>> <<This past Friday, the Washington Post reported that the
> >>>> Obama administration weighed a more forceful response
> >>>> to the Kremlin once it became clear that they were trying
> >>>> to influence the outcome of the presidential race, but
> >>>> ultimately declined to do so.
> >>>> In the words of one former White House official, “I feel like
> >>>> we sort of choked.”
> >>>> By that night, Trump was acknowledging “election meddling
> >>>> by Russia” for the first time on Twitter:
> >>>>

> >>>> "Donald J. Trump ? @realDonaldTrump

" the revolution will not be televised."
>gil scott heron

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnJFhuOWgXg

[Ned Ludd]

"Tang Huyen" <tang...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Contempt rolls off Trump's (and his supporter's) backs. If all
of his supporters that elected him are racist assholes then we
are doomed. But I don't think that's true. I think there is a core
majority of sane or at least 'normal' Republicans that would do
anything - including treason with the Russians - to control the
White House. But that's not enough to elect Trump. The "populist
thrust" you describe, which is mostly disenfranchised whites,
is what put him over the top. But that's a very motley crew of
all kinds of people, including Democrats and Independents.
When their ox gets gored - and it will - they'll turn on him with
a vengeance. Whether that means a 'civilian's civil war' or
something else remains to be seen. A lot of rage and potential
violence is being covered up by a strong economy. Can you
imagine what would be going on now if the economy were tanking?

Ned

[Ned Ludd]

"dagnabit" <meanmr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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But it will be blogged and tweeted.

Ned

[Tang Huyen]

On 6/27/2017 7:27 AM, Ned Ludd wrote:

> Contempt rolls off Trump's (and his supporter's) backs. If all
> of his supporters that elected him are racist assholes then we
> are doomed. But I don't think that's true. I think there is a core
> majority of sane or at least 'normal' Republicans that would do
> anything - including treason with the Russians - to control the
> White House. But that's not enough to elect Trump. The "populist
> thrust" you describe, which is mostly disenfranchised whites,
> is what put him over the top. But that's a very motley crew of
> all kinds of people, including Democrats and Independents.
> When their ox gets gored - and it will - they'll turn on him with
> a vengeance. Whether that means a 'civilian's civil war' or
> something else remains to be seen. A lot of rage and potential
> violence is being covered up by a strong economy. Can you
> imagine what would be going on now if the economy were tanking?

<< Trump supporters - or the portion of them that got him
elected - want to fuck up government. They want him to
mess it up and harm Washington. A BIG block of them
would choose to die of cancer if it would insure that no
black person got free medical care.

The way he's going, they will see that happen.>>

There is the famous phenomenon "to cut off your nose to
spite your face". Non-elite whites are mad enough to suffer
any consequence (like the 22 million losing healthcare
insurance, actually most of those being non-white) to deny
the non-whites any safety net.

Now, the economy is going up for a small elite, mostly
young whites and young Asians, who are into the
information economy, but everybody else (especially the
white non-elite, but also the non-white non-elite) is slipping
back further and further, with no end in sight, quite the
contrary.

So the non-favoured are going to fight like hell, against
each other, and largely it will be the white non-elite against
the non-white non-elite. (If you go into any affluent
shopping area in any big Merkin city, you see white and
Asian shoppers, many from abroad, and the dark-skinned
guards keeping order for the affluent, who are not
dark-skinned).

The Chinese, Japanese and Indians are buying up
properties and companies faster and faster, and Clump is
going to help them. The free-spending Democrats, if they
get back from the wilderness, are going to spend even
more and get the country further into debt with China and
Japan, so the whole thrust will push the country further
into a financial vise. Inequality will accelerate, and the
non-elite of any skin colour is going to be squeezed more
tightly, large swaths of the country are going third-world,
so there will be an explosion, across the board.

Will there be any statesman skilful enough to pull the
country together, before it implodes on itself?

Tang Huyen

[dagnabit]

"Tang Huyen" wrote in message
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"there is no political solution to our troubled evolution."
>spirits in the material world
>sting & the police

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBvdHXChNqY

[dagnabit]

"Ned Ludd" wrote in message

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give it time. it always goes up and down regularly.

[Wilson]

On 6/27/2017 12:29 AM, Ned Ludd wrote:
>
> If there were a revolution, what would it look like?

Commissar Jamal and commissar Cletus would like to have a word with you:

http://2static2.fjcdn.com/comments/I+ll+just+leave+this+here+for+you+faggots+with+the+_1ea1ec211527b833a465ab3380e4d5d7.jpg

[Tang Huyen]

On 6/27/2017 9:51 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

> Right, that doesn't solve anything either. What solves things?

Canuckistan is lucky to have Trudeau and previous
governing tradition, including his father.

<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/world/canada/canadas-secret-to-resisting-the-wests-populist-wave.html>

"Canada’s Secret to Resisting the West’s Populist Wave"

<<Yet Canada’s politics remain stable. Its centrist liberal
establishment is popular. Not only have the politics of white
backlash failed, but immigration and racial diversity are
sources of national pride. And when anti-establishment
outsiders have run the populist playbook, they have found
defeat.

Outsiders might assume this is because Canada is simply
more liberal, but they would be wrong. Rather, Canada has
resisted the populist wave through a set of strategic
decisions, powerful institutional incentives, strong minority
coalitions and idiosyncratic circumstances.

While there is no magic answer to populism, Canada’s
experience offers unexpected lessons for other nations.>>

The article shows how the Canucks have worked together
for the common good and neglected grievances that
would divide. A model for the US, if the latter can learn.
Clump is going in the opposite direction.

Tang Huyen

[liaM]

Revolution is here. It's Jeremy Corbyn raising social concerns and
wiping the smugness off a conservative prime minister's face. It's
Emmanuel Macron in France, obliterating political parties on both sides
of the aisle to the extent what remains of them have thought it
necessary to change their names. The erstwhile Socialist majority, now
reduced to c.6% and renamed something like the party for social change.
And Sarkosy's party of the "Republicains" reduced to c. 16% now
disbanded into two groups, each with new names and faces. These two
were the French equivalents of the US's dems and republicans... Wouldn't
it be nice, if the same could happen here, sweeping the two into the
thrash-heap where useless things are discarded?

And furthermore, over 50% of the president's movement "En Marche"
newly elected parliamentarians are people who have never before held
public office, workers, executives, artisans, artists, one Field Medal
mathematician (marvelous individual - Cedric Villani - look him up),
stockbrokers, small business owners, teachers, etc.

[Ned Ludd]

"Wilson" <absfg_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Glad he's enjoying it here. Btw, re his comment...
"I'll just leave this here for you faggots with the Che Guevara
T-shirts and your Occupy Wall Street designer bags."

Coincidentally, I have a Che Guevara T-shirt, which I made
with an iron-on I cribbed from a design magazine. I've worn
it for at least 10 years (2nd version), and it can sometimes
start a conversion which often gets derailed after I tell them
to look REALLY closely at it...
https://s14.postimg.org/9bsy6o3z5/Che_T_Shirt.jpg

Ned

(Those are the logos of all the American companies that have
offices in Havana, and have for over 15 years.)

[Wilson]

Considering that Che was a murderer, racist and homophobe, and
considering your attitude towards corporations ... ah hell I'm still
confused.

Good work. I think.

[daletx]

THAT is a masterpiece!

DT

[liaM]

On 6/27/2017 6:29 AM, Ned Ludd wrote:
> Ah, this is the second time in a week that I've heard comparisons
> to the time before the French revolution and the beheadings that
> established the principle of 'equality'. I'm not sure that an 'average'
> person who is alive today and who hopes to live at the standard
> of living that I live at can do it.
>
> If there were a revolution, what would it look like?
>
> Ned

Hi Ned

Equality vs. standard of living is one (very materialistic) way to look
at the concept. Another viewpoint is (happily) embodied in the US
constitution's 14th Amendment as to every citizen's equality before the
law. The French have hewed more and less to their motto "Liberty,
Equality, Fraternity" ever since the French Revolution. The concept
reaches universality in the UN's declaration of human rights, available
here:

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf

In France, the concept covers things like every citizen's right to
health care and a minimum standard of living, protection before the
law, freedom of speech and thought, etc. etc. The French in general
stubbornly resist any attempt to take away any feature that this
concept affords them. They're properly flabbergasted at the craziness
happening under the Tea Party's regime of terror.

[Wilson]

"Regime of terror"? Irresponsible rhetoric promoting violence against
people you disagree with.

[Ned Ludd]

"liaM" <cud...@mindless.com> wrote in message

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Well that sounds good. But if that's true, why does France
have a higher percentage of homeless people than the
U.S. does?...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_population

Ned

(0.21% versus 0.18%)

[liaM]

Nose pickings, Ned, compared to the body politic. I wonder what the
percentage of people living below poverty, or the life expectancy, or
the number of fast food or dog food obese, etc.

[liaM]

So you like the Tea Party cooked up by the Koch brothers.

Yuk.

[Ned Ludd]

"liaM" <cud...@mindless.com> wrote in message

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...
In the nightmare of the dark
All the dogs of Europe bark,
And the living nations wait,
Each sequestered in its hate;

Intellectual disgrace
Stares from every human face,
And the seas of pity lie
Locked and frozen in each eye.

Follow, poet, follow right
To the bottom of the night,
With your unconstraining voice
Still persuade us to rejoice;

With the farming of a verse
Make a vineyard of the curse,
Sing of human unsuccess
In a rapture of distress;

In the deserts of the heart
Let the healing fountain start,
In the prison of his days
Teach the free man how to praise.

- W.H. Auden

[Tang Huyen]

On 6/29/2017 1:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

> Someday, one of us is going to tell us what to do about us.

The Messiah? The Saviour? He/she who points out the
light at the end of the tunnel?

Tang Huyen

[Wilson]

It's clear they just want people to die:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko

[ansaman]

No tunnel, no light, no Messiah, no Savior.

Nothing to be fixed. Either things work out by
themselves or they don't.

[liaM]

Your party's sense of humor as inert as a coffin made out of lead.

[liaM]

A pessimist is the tool of his emotions.
The optimist's tool is his will.

(I'll have to forgive Auden his pessimism.
He must have written this ditty during the
dark days war was about to sweep the continent..)

But you and your pessimism, Ned? Do you really
believe Marx's expectation that the have-not will bloody
the have-all, even in this post-Gandhi era?
Have you understood the will-full hope that
Gandhi brought into the world?
Just what is the force pointed to by Gandhi
potent enough to sweep social injustice wherever
it's found? - (No, it's not dreaming the I love
Lucy life in some Southern California two car garage
home in the suburbs)

[Tang Huyen]

On 6/29/2017 3:09 PM, ansaman wrote:

> Tang Huyen:

>> Noah Sombrero:

>>> Someday, one of us is going to tell us what to do about us.

>> The Messiah? The Saviour? He/she who points out the
>> light at the end of the tunnel?

> No tunnel, no light, no Messiah, no Savior.
>
> Nothing to be fixed. Either things work out by
> themselves or they don't.

You're too cynical. There is hope. The trumpets shall
sound, and it is already announced ...

"Now I could stand up here and say, let's get everybody
together, let's get unified, the sky will open, the light will
come down, celestial choirs will be singing. And
everyone will know we should do the right thing, and the
world will be perfect."

Tang Huyen

[Ned Ludd]

"liaM" <cud...@mindless.com> wrote in message

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Gandhi was another in a series of religious incendiaries,
no more or less, like Joseph Smith, L. Ron Hubbard, Shree
Rajneesh, etc. etc.

To the extent that his 'message' can be reduced to a "force
point", as you say, it would 'ahimsa' (no harm).

What have all these messages done for us? Nothing. Or,
if you will indulge a small sprinkle of further pessimism, what
have WE done (consistently, unerringly, and relentlessly) to
these messages?

What did we do to the message of Christ? What did we do
to the message of Mohammad? Look what Buddhism became
when it finally came to Tibet. Taoism exists in a book - to the
extent it was practiced it became spells and alchemy and a
perverse obsession with immortality.

There is absolutely no point in a 'message'. Whatever the
message is - no matter how great or how perfect, or how
appropriate - if it is successful it will sprout and take root in
the vast mass of wastrels which is humanity.

And they will take that message - WE will take that message -
and turn it into whatever abomination suits our purposes.

We will take the message of 'love', and burn people at the
stake with it (to save their immortal souls, of course). We
will take the message of 'submission' to God's will, and cut
off the clitorises of baby girls with it.

Are you getting the picture?

I can't image what we will do with the message of ahimsa,
but I am certain it will be the most stupendous, jaw-dropping
perversion of it that can be imagined.

Ned

[dagnabit]

"Tang Huyen" wrote in message

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everything is already perfect and moving on to greater
and greater perfection. could you call a half opened rose
an imperfect rose that wouldn't be perfect until it was in
full bloom?

when I worked in the factory their slogan was; " right the
first time, right every time, continually improve."

this may sound like a paradox but only when perfection
itself is misunderstood. an ideal standard for when anything
is thought to be perfect misses the beat in the perfection of
its on going fruition.

[liaM]

Yes.. OK. But answer me the question. It's not Ahimsa.

[liaM]

On 6/29/2017 3:59 PM, Ned Ludd wrote:
>

http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Moving-On-s-big-SF-win-56-year-old-moves-11256709.php?cmpid=sfc_em_topstories

[Ned]

If it's not ahimsa I'd love to hear what you think is more central to
Gandhi's message.

Ned

[Tang Huyen]

On 6/30/2017 11:32 AM, dagnabit wrote:

> "Noah Sombrero"

>> "dagnabit"

>> >everything is already perfect and moving on to greater
>> >and greater perfection. could you call a half opened rose
>> >an imperfect rose that wouldn't be perfect until it was in
>> >full bloom?

>> In this case, the rose is suffering mightily from several kinds of
>> blight.

> mebbe so but the blight is perfect blight.

This is beyond me, but some people talk effusively
of the perfection of the imperfect. It presumably
takes a certain mindset/attitude to see it, but to
them, it is as obvious as our everyday reality is to
us. In the Heart scripture, it says: Form is emptiness.
To these people, the imperfect is perfect, just as it is,
right at the surface, boom and that's it. "I love you
just the way you are".

Tang Huyen

[Tang Huyen]

On 6/30/2017 12:10 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:

> Tang Huyen

>> This is beyond me, but some people talk effusively
>> of the perfection of the imperfect. It presumably
>> takes a certain mindset/attitude to see it, but to
>> them, it is as obvious as our everyday reality is to
>> us. In the Heart scripture, it says: Form is emptiness.
>> To these people, the imperfect is perfect, just as it is,
>> right at the surface, boom and that's it. "I love you
>> just the way you are".

> Because that is the perception those of us who are sufficiently
> blessed get in meditation. Everything is just right, just the way it
> was intended, just the way it is. That is the perception. That does
> not mean that the perception is accurate.

Which is why I have said for a long time that mystical
perception, at a minimum of peace, accord, harmony,
is purely subjective and strictly sentimental, and that it
serves as consolation prize, for the human condition,
because nothing has changed out there, objectively,
and such good feeling (eupatheia) cannot be connected
with anything objective out there.

It is an oasis of heaven, on earth, temporary and
episodic, but not anything real, though it radiates to
others the possibility of replicating it, or at least the
good feeling of empathy with it, vicarious or otherwise.

In a sense, it is a conjunction or continuation with the
Divine Mind, as Averroes says, but he uses it in an
intellectual sense, and here I use it in an affective
sense. A temporary refuge, in relief from the travail of
the world, and nothing more. Mother Nature affords
some of us some kind of safety valve, with some
radiation (the halo effect), so that she can redeem
herself to our eyes.

Mental culture serves to click in with this potential,
almost at will, as self-induced, but the paradox is that
the less self or "I" is there, the more likely this clicking
will occur. The more we vacate ourselves, the more
likely God will come to bestow grace on us, for free.

This God is impersonal and shorn of mark, sign,
particularity, and of any ego, self or "I", even more of
any Super-I. The paradoxes in Daoism and
Buddhism are to describe this God, and the Way to
get to him, all in vain, which is why Daoism and
Buddhism bend themselves backward to deny
themselves. The less trace the better, which is just
the Way. All is well that ends well.

Tang Huyen

[dagnabit]

"Tang Huyen" wrote in message

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but people don't want to hear that what they deem to be
as imperfect is actually perfect in its seeming imperfection.
there is a perspective that collapses all descriptive nuances
as to the significance levels of introspective self story telling
such as identity and daily ambulation throughout reality that
can offer a detachment arena of practical application as to
how perspective is garnered and engendered in useful terms
and day by day avenues of expression that enable one to stand
back from the ordinary consensus of how reality is and how to
deal with it each day. when arjuna told krishna that he had
misgivings about killing his relatives on the field of battle
krishna told arjuna that no one was really dying, and if you
can dwell specific to that aforementioned detachment mode
you'll see with great clarity just what krishna meant.

[liaM]

Dignity. Whatever your material possessions, dignity is what saves. No
need to preach dignity to people. They own it or have lost it. I have
a cousin who, as ambassador for Unesco, visited the residences of people
who lived in favelas and the like. However poor the people, however
destitute the residences, he was struck that the same quality emanated
from all the places he visited, a sense of dignity that transcended the
misery in which they were placed.

[liaM]

And dignity as a political force:

"Non-cooperation is an attempt to awaken the masses, to a sense of their
dignity and power. This can only be done by enabling them to realize
that they need not fear brute force, if they but know the soul within.

(Gandhi)

[ansaman]

CORRECT.

Anything that is "perfect" usually has ceased to change.
With biological entities, this usually means disaster
because of a lack of outliers when conditions change.

Perfection is not a condition, it is a continuing PROCESS.

Part of bad management, bad government, or bad ideas is
commitment to a particular goal or ideal rather than
best PROCESS. What is best today might not be best
tomorrow as understanding and conditions change.

[ansaman]

Like I said, Tang... process. McDonald's restaurants used
to have new franchisees worry about advertising. They were
told to commit to best practice and sales and profit will
assuredly follow. It worked. Using business as an example,
they have all these Harvard educated MBAs talking about
"business models" and theories. What matters is execution.
There are a hundred good companies out there right now
that are failing because they are STATIC. "Perfection"
is static. Imperfection can change and therefore can succeed
and continue to succeed. Commit to NOTHING except excellence.

[ansaman]

Tell me the world is not better than in 1400. For all
your religion bashing, much of what passes for accepted
morality comes from these error filled religion and these
horrible, horrible people. You are one of these horrible
people. You are "conditioned" by these horrible people
and yet do you see yourself, our art, and your morality
as horrible?

Apparently you do not see that the same root that creates
Hitler creates Gandhi. The same source of Stalin and Mao
creates Locke and the Dali Lama. Wonderful parents can create
horrible children and visa versa.

I perceive a powerful feeling of hatred and disdain in
you. An incredible pessimism. Are you part of this world
and this people and this society you seem to continually
condemn or are you somehow separate and unconditioned by it.

[ansaman]

This dignity comes from a sense of self-worth that is not
founded in egotism or even accomplishments or social
standing. It comes from a sense of PROCESS and the best
way to do things.

"What is right Phaedrus, and what is wrong, need we anyone to tell us these things?" - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

[Love]

In article <u6CdnUlMx-BwmsjE...@earthlink.com>,
ned...@ix.netcom.com says...

Fewer things classified as "homes" would be my guess.

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Love

[Love]

In article <ad82d05d-56ab-870e...@gmail.com>,
tang...@gmail.com says...

Yeah, well, the heart of wisdom does not reflect
that attitude, though I suppose you could see it
as doing that IF you were inclined to AND didn't
read the very next words "and emptiness is form".
The scripture is far more demanding than that.

It's Mahayana not Pollyanna.

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Love

[Love]

In article <oj6oe3$aid$1...@dont-email.me>, cud...@mindless.com says...

Excellent.


--
Love

[Love]

In article <Te2dnVlxRt4dDczE...@earthlink.com>,
ned...@ix.netcom.com says...

>"liaM" <cud...@mindless.com> wrote in message

>news:ois0uj$enq$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 6/26/2017 11:41 PM, Tang Huyen wrote:
>>> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-scarborough-obama-just-pulled-jedi-mind-
trick-on-trump>
>>> <<This past Friday, the Washington Post reported that the
>>> Obama administration weighed a more forceful response
>>> to the Kremlin once it became clear that they were trying
>>> to influence the outcome of the presidential race, but
>>> ultimately declined to do so.
>>> In the words of one former White House official, “I feel like
>>> we sort of choked.”
>>> By that night, Trump was acknowledging “election meddling
>>> by Russia” for the first time on Twitter:
>>>
>>> "Donald J. Trump ? @realDonaldTrump
>>> Just out: The Obama Administration knew far in advance
>>> of November 8th about election meddling by Russia. Did
>>> nothing about it. WHY?"
>>>
>>> “How many people have tried to get Donald Trump to admit
>>> that the Russians meddled with the 2016 election?”
>>> Scarborough asked. “All Barack Obama has to do is just
>>> come back on the scene in his Jedi garb.”
>>> Similarly, Obama called the Senate GOP’s health care bill
>>> “mean” in his Facebook post late last week and a few days
>>> later, Trump was admitting that he had called it “mean” on
>>> Fox News.
>>> “Obama! Strong the force is with his family,” Scarborough
>>> added, doing his best Yoda impression. He then cut to clip
>>> of Obama in action before playing the Obi-Wan Kenobi
>>> “These aren’t the droids you’re looking for” scene from A
>>> New Hope.>>
>>>
>>> So, Obambi cast Ninja stars into Clump's mind, and the
>>> latter accepted Obambi's missives as his own and acted
>>> on them, promptly.
>>>
>>> I am jealous.
>>>
>>> Tang Huyen
>>
>> Jealous and sly, how sly.. LOL
>>
>
> It ain't ninja stars and it ain't Star Wars. It's the fucked-up
>spineless, deceitful, traitorous whores of the Republican party.
>Best editorial cartoon since the election (if you're looking for
>a sci-fi analogy)...
>
>http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/ows_149523845512009.jpg

Frak, one of the best political cartoons of all time!


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[Love]

In article <E7edneJEFM3PQszE...@earthlink.com>,
ned...@ix.netcom.com says...

>
> If there were a revolution, what would it look like?

Idiocracy.

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Love

[Love]

In article <7bidnXid8NHq9s_E...@earthlink.com>,
ned...@ix.netcom.com says...
>"dagnabit" <meanmr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:oitkr5$rih$1...@dont-email.me...
>> "Ned Ludd" wrote in message
>> news:E7edneJEFM3PQszE...@earthlink.com...

>>> "liaM" <cud...@mindless.com> wrote in message

>>> news:oisdti$djc$1...@dont-email.me...

>>> >> Ned
>>> >
>>> > Most politicians are anal folks who couldn't give a damn if 23 million
>>> > people are wiped off the face of the earth so long as that gives them
>>> > a little more space to puff and pucker over lost golf balls. Anal.
>>> > Sublimanal, most of them..

>>> >
>>>
>>> Ah, this is the second time in a week that I've heard comparisons
>>> to the time before the French revolution and the beheadings that
>>> established the principle of 'equality'. I'm not sure that an 'average'
>>> person who is alive today and who hopes to live at the standard
>>> of living that I live at can do it.
>>>

>>> If there were a revolution, what would it look like?
>>>

>>> Ned
>>
>> " the revolution will not be televised."
>>>gil scott heron
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnJFhuOWgXg
>
> But it will be blogged and tweeted.

No, the revolution will happen in our minds and
only be broadcast by any means after it has
happened.

That's my take-away from Gil Heron's rap. Our
infosphere is so highly developed as a tool of
influence all influences are cancelling each
other out. That's why it won't be televised;
it'll be something else...something off the
radar.

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Love

[liaM]

Smile.

But maybe the percentage might reverse were the US and the UK take in
their fair share of refugees from countries ravaged by the wars they
started.

No smile, here.

[liaM]

The times they are a changing..

[Wilson]

With a few notable exceptions, most spiritual messages are not about,
nor are they directed to, society. Most are focused on the individual.

Social advancement and the greater society that we see around us as a
thing separate from the individuals who live, that is an illusion.

[Wilson]

Teachings don't last forever. They are made for a certain time and for
a certain place by individual teachers.

What happens to a teaching after it is no longer living, after it's no
longer being taught by a master that embodies that teaching, is
corruption. How can it be any other way?

[dagnabit]

"ansaman" wrote in message
news:4dce7d56-e1e6-485d...@googlegroups.com...

due to a continually changing abstraction process our
perception's ability to accurately size up not only our
situation but also the parameters of influence upon
that situation will likely never be really all that
accurate since our abstraction determinations are
mainly based on our survival and safety strategies.

an entirely new world of perception opens up to an
awakened one once they no longer base their perception
agenda on survival, safety and security.

[brian mitchell]

ansaman wrote:


>I perceive a powerful feeling of hatred and disdain in

>you. An incredible pessimism...

Or, which I think the more likely, it could be the agony of the
despairing lover.

[Ned Ludd]

"brian mitchell" <brai...@fishing.net> wrote in message
news:3n1glcdvgrlcphkqm...@4ax.com...

Oh I'll definitely go with that interpretation. At a minimum,
I'm getting to understand why God did the flood.

Ned

[brian mitchell]

I believe one might substitute the term 'consciousness' for emptiness,
viz: Form is consciousness, consciousness is form. Consciousness is
nothing of itself; it *is* its content, which is always and only form.

There being form, consciousness arises; there being consciousness,
form appears. A variant on "Because there is mind, there are things;
because there are things, there is mind." It's difficult to know
exactly what is being pointed to with the word 'mind' in Mahayana
texts but consciousness is likely a part of it, if not he whole.

[Tang Huyen]

On 7/1/2017 1:41 PM, Ned Ludd wrote:

> Oh I'll definitely go with that interpretation. At a minimum,
> I'm getting to understand why God did the flood.

It's God's equivalent of menstruation.

Tang Huyen

[ansaman]

Are you saying he has mental "blue balls?" ;)

[ansaman]

Didn't work, did it.

[Love]

In article <oj89jf$b71$1...@dont-email.me>, absfg_...@yahoo.com says...

Evolution.

Mutation doesn't mean corruption unless you consider the
previous form ideal.


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Love

[Wilson]

Evolution of a dead teaching?

If it's no longer living and being taught by a master who embodies that
teaching, corruption and dissolution is the result.

Words in a book alone will not keep it alive.

[Love]

In article <022glcd4m9a3lf92g...@4ax.com>,
brai...@fishing.net says...

And then English words (rooted in Greek metaphysical
baggage as they are) might not perfectly align in
meaning with Buddhist and Mahayana words being
translated. Close enough is probably all we need.

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Love

[Love]

In article <ojdget$fef$1...@dont-email.me>, absfg_...@yahoo.com says...

No, humans beings do that, but they needn't only be
"masters".

The most worthwile teachings are not mere rules but
examples and challenges.

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Love