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Re: Why I Will Not Cast My Electoral Vote for Donald Trump
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Rudy Canoza
Dec 6, 2016, 2:11:59 PM12/6/16
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On 12/6/2016 11:05 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 12/06/2016 12:49 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 12/6/2016 10:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 12/06/2016 11:09 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 12/6/2016 3:42 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This man makes some interesting, and even goo arguments for his
>>>>> position. The problem is that he is pledged to vote for the Republican
>>>>> nominee, and in breaking that pledge he is placing himself on the same
>>>>> moral level and political level as he places Trump.
>>>>
>>>> No, he isn't. He is acting on principle - exactly the opposite of
>>>> Trump, who has no principles unless you want to call narcissistic
>>>> self-interest a principle.
>>>
>>> So principle demands that he go back on his commitment?
>>
>> The principle of putting the interests of the country ahead of the
>> interests of a cretin, yes.
>
> The cretin had conceded, then she changed her mind.
The cretin, of course, is Trump. They're both really awful people, but
Trump is unequivocally worse.
> This guy has destroyed any future he might have in Texas politics,
> especially Republican politics.
Maybe. A soldier who falls on a grenade to try to save his comrades
loses more than that, but we generally call him a hero.
> On 12/06/2016 12:49 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 12/6/2016 10:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 12/06/2016 11:09 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 12/6/2016 3:42 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This man makes some interesting, and even goo arguments for his
>>>>> position. The problem is that he is pledged to vote for the Republican
>>>>> nominee, and in breaking that pledge he is placing himself on the same
>>>>> moral level and political level as he places Trump.
>>>>
>>>> No, he isn't. He is acting on principle - exactly the opposite of
>>>> Trump, who has no principles unless you want to call narcissistic
>>>> self-interest a principle.
>>>
>>> So principle demands that he go back on his commitment?
>>
>> The principle of putting the interests of the country ahead of the
>> interests of a cretin, yes.
>
> The cretin had conceded, then she changed her mind.
The cretin, of course, is Trump. They're both really awful people, but
Trump is unequivocally worse.
> This guy has destroyed any future he might have in Texas politics,
> especially Republican politics.
Maybe. A soldier who falls on a grenade to try to save his comrades
loses more than that, but we generally call him a hero.
Rudy Canoza
Dec 6, 2016, 2:13:46 PM12/6/16
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On 12/6/2016 11:07 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> David Hartung <david_...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:Ou2dnRFyb_pyYdvF...@giganews.com:
>
> Her principle (Christian fundementalism)
> demands that she go back on her commitment
> (to uphold the law)?
Seems comparable to me, although her commitment was not so much to
uphold the law but rather to carry out the prescribed duties of her
office. She failed to do so, and Hartung applauded her for it.
> David Hartung <david_...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:Ou2dnRFyb_pyYdvF...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 12/06/2016 11:09 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 12/6/2016 3:42 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-elec
>>>> toral-vote-for-donald-trump.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This man makes some interesting, and even goo arguments for his
>>>> position. The problem is that he is pledged to vote for the
>>>> Republican nominee, and in breaking that pledge he is placing
>>>> himself on the same moral level and political level as he places
>>>> Trump.
>>>
>>> No, he isn't. He is acting on principle - exactly the opposite of
>>> Trump, who has no principles unless you want to call narcissistic
>>> self-interest a principle.
>>
>> So principle demands that he go back on his commitment?
>>
>>
>
> Isn't that what your hero Kim Davis did?
>> On 12/06/2016 11:09 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 12/6/2016 3:42 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-elec
>>>> toral-vote-for-donald-trump.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This man makes some interesting, and even goo arguments for his
>>>> position. The problem is that he is pledged to vote for the
>>>> Republican nominee, and in breaking that pledge he is placing
>>>> himself on the same moral level and political level as he places
>>>> Trump.
>>>
>>> No, he isn't. He is acting on principle - exactly the opposite of
>>> Trump, who has no principles unless you want to call narcissistic
>>> self-interest a principle.
>>
>> So principle demands that he go back on his commitment?
>>
>>
>
>
> Her principle (Christian fundementalism)
> demands that she go back on her commitment
> (to uphold the law)?
Seems comparable to me, although her commitment was not so much to
uphold the law but rather to carry out the prescribed duties of her
office. She failed to do so, and Hartung applauded her for it.
Rudy Canoza
Dec 6, 2016, 2:18:37 PM12/6/16
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On 12/6/2016 11:13 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
I doubt the consequences will be all that severe. He's a paramedic, not
a career politician. He was a first-responding firefighter and
paramedic in NYC on 9/11/01. He knows about consequences.
[Christopher] Suprun is also a founding member of the Never Forget
Foundation, a nonprofit public charity that, according to its
website, helps coach youth on overcoming adversity by using the
lessons of 9/11 and other tragedies, provides training for groups
and community members responding to disaster, and administers a
scholarship to youth whose educational opportunities have been
impacted by such tragedies.
On the thirteenth anniversary of Sept. 11 in 2014, Suprun threw the
ceremonial first pitch at Kauffman Stadium, as the Kansas City
Royals hosted the Boston Red Sox, according to MLB.
https://www.bustle.com/articles/198514-who-is-christopher-suprun-this-texas-elector-wont-be-voting-for-donald-trump
He sounds like a pillar of the community to me.
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 2:05:31 PM UTC-5, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 12/06/2016 12:49 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 12/6/2016 10:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 12/06/2016 12:49 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 12/6/2016 10:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 12/06/2016 11:09 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 12/6/2016 3:42 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This man makes some interesting, and even goo arguments for his
>>>>>> position. The problem is that he is pledged to vote for the Republican
>>>>>> nominee, and in breaking that pledge he is placing himself on the same
>>>>>> moral level and political level as he places Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, he isn't. He is acting on principle - exactly the opposite of
>>>>> Trump, who has no principles unless you want to call narcissistic
>>>>> self-interest a principle.
>>>>
>>>> So principle demands that he go back on his commitment?
>>>
>>>>> On 12/6/2016 3:42 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This man makes some interesting, and even goo arguments for his
>>>>>> position. The problem is that he is pledged to vote for the Republican
>>>>>> nominee, and in breaking that pledge he is placing himself on the same
>>>>>> moral level and political level as he places Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, he isn't. He is acting on principle - exactly the opposite of
>>>>> Trump, who has no principles unless you want to call narcissistic
>>>>> self-interest a principle.
>>>>
>>>> So principle demands that he go back on his commitment?
>>>
>>> The principle of putting the interests of the country ahead of the
>>> interests of a cretin, yes.
>>
>> The cretin had conceded, then she changed her mind.
>>
>>> interests of a cretin, yes.
>>
>> The cretin had conceded, then she changed her mind.
>>
>> This guy has destroyed any future he might have in Texas politics,
>> especially Republican politics.
>
> Guess he's free to do what he wants as long as he's ready for the consequences - which will be with him for the rest of his life.
>> especially Republican politics.
>
I doubt the consequences will be all that severe. He's a paramedic, not
a career politician. He was a first-responding firefighter and
paramedic in NYC on 9/11/01. He knows about consequences.
[Christopher] Suprun is also a founding member of the Never Forget
Foundation, a nonprofit public charity that, according to its
website, helps coach youth on overcoming adversity by using the
lessons of 9/11 and other tragedies, provides training for groups
and community members responding to disaster, and administers a
scholarship to youth whose educational opportunities have been
impacted by such tragedies.
On the thirteenth anniversary of Sept. 11 in 2014, Suprun threw the
ceremonial first pitch at Kauffman Stadium, as the Kansas City
Royals hosted the Boston Red Sox, according to MLB.
https://www.bustle.com/articles/198514-who-is-christopher-suprun-this-texas-elector-wont-be-voting-for-donald-trump
He sounds like a pillar of the community to me.
Rudy Canoza
Dec 6, 2016, 4:36:58 PM12/6/16
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On 12/6/2016 1:18 PM, Ted wrote:
> Yes. But what is it about Trump that makes him even worse than Hillary?
He's a liar, a massive tax cheat, an aggressive pervert, a narcissist,
probably a criminal (you can't be a developer in NYC and NJ without
bribing inspectors and zoning commissioners), a loudmouth braggart, and
just unspeakably coarse. And those don't even begin to scratch the
surface regarding his lack of fitness for the office. As I've said
before, his view of the Bill of Rights is the worst of any recent major
party candidate. Whether he is actually a fascist or not, he wants to
be one.
He's a liar, a massive tax cheat, an aggressive pervert, a narcissist,
probably a criminal (you can't be a developer in NYC and NJ without
bribing inspectors and zoning commissioners), a loudmouth braggart, and
just unspeakably coarse. And those don't even begin to scratch the
surface regarding his lack of fitness for the office. As I've said
before, his view of the Bill of Rights is the worst of any recent major
party candidate. Whether he is actually a fascist or not, he wants to
be one.
Rudy Canoza
Dec 6, 2016, 6:56:37 PM12/6/16
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Trump basically wants to tear it (and a lot of the rest of the
Constitution) into pieces and throw it away.
Rudy Canoza
Dec 6, 2016, 7:56:53 PM12/6/16
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reason Trump is bad, and worse than Clinton. He's a small-minded,
vengeful prick who is much too concerned with lashing out at and getting
even with anyone who has disputed him on anything. From Ed's post:
Early this morning, the Chicago Tribune published an interview with
Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenberg, in which Muilenberg was critical of
attempts to constrain free trade, criticizing Trump by implication.
Boeing is our largest manufacturing exporter. They sell a lot of
planes around the world.
At 8:52 AM, without having said anything about Boeing for a long
time, our petulant-child-in-chief posted the above tweet. Oh, he
sold his Boeing stock in June, by the way, so it's no skin off his
nose.
The Trump vituperation was a tweet in which he said that an order for
two new 747s to serve as Air Force One (the existing planes are about 25
years old) should be canceled because they're "too expensive."
So, because the Boeing CEO indirectly criticizes Trump's announced trade
policies - and they are *horrible* - Trump starts bloviating about
canceling an order for a couple of new 747s. Trump *never* would have
said a word about the order if Muilenberg hadn't criticized Trump's
economy-destroying trade policy plans.
It's the same character defect that leads Trump to tweet at 3:00am
pissing and moaning about "Saturday Night Live." He's thin skinned and
vengeful. Those are character defects - not in dispute.
Rudy Canoza
Dec 6, 2016, 10:16:18 PM12/6/16
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A serious reduction in growth, if not an absolute reduction in GDP itself.
Rudy Canoza
Dec 6, 2016, 10:17:56 PM12/6/16
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what he said he intends to do. Maybe he was just paying lip service to
protectionist and anti-trade policies and won't really attempt to
implement them.
Alex W.
Dec 8, 2016, 11:48:03 AM12/8/16
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protectionism. Why is it that those who advocate punitive tariffs,
import restrictions and bans, or the use of taxation as a deterrent to
investment never actually stop to consider the possibility that other
nations can and will retaliate in kind? Do they not see or do they
simply not care that protectionist policies kill jobs and growth?
Rudy Canoza
Dec 8, 2016, 11:51:57 AM12/8/16
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1930s that deepened and lengthened the depression.
Martin Eastburn
Dec 9, 2016, 12:40:11 AM12/9/16
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This is talk towards a company in the us that imports their product into
the US. No other country is mixed in.
The company I worked for shipped factory to the Philippines and apps/eng
to India. A few engineers and sales are stateside. Inventory overseas.
Martin
the US. No other country is mixed in.
The company I worked for shipped factory to the Philippines and apps/eng
to India. A few engineers and sales are stateside. Inventory overseas.
Martin
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