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Firnando

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Oct 9, 2009, 3:36:54 PM10/9/09
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Women's liberation through Islam

Today people think that women are liberated in the West and that the women's
liberation movement began in the 20th century. Actually, the women's
liberation movement was not begun by women but was revealed by Allaah (God)
to a man in the seventh century by the name of Muhammad . The Quran and the
Traditions of the Prophet are the sources from which every Muslim woman
derives her rights and duties.

Human Rights:

Islam, fourteen centuries ago, made women equally accountable to Allaah in
glorifying and worshipping Him - setting no limits on her moral progress.
Also, Islam established a woman's equality in her humanity with men.

In the first verse of the chapter entitled "Women", Allaah Says (what
means):"O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single
person (Aadam), and from him (Aadam) He created his wife [Hawwaa (Eve)], and
from them both, He created many men and women and fear Allaah through Whom
you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs
(kinship). Surely, Allaah is Ever an All-Watcher over you." [Quran 4:1]

Since men and women both came from the same essence, they are equal in their
humanity. Women cannot be by nature evil (as some religions believes) or
then men would be evil also. Similarly, neither sex can be superior because
it would be a contradiction of equality. Allaah Says (which means): "O
mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into
nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most
honorable of you with Allaah is that (believer) who is the most pious of
you. Verily, Allaah is All-Knowing, All-Aware." [Quran 49:13]

Allaah also Says (what means): "Verily, the Muslims men and women, the
believers men and women, the men and women who are obedient (to Allaah), the
men and women who are truthful (in their speech and deeds), the men and
women who are humble (before their Lord), the men and women who give
charity, the men and women who observe fasting, the men and women who guard
their chastity (from illegal sexual acts), and the men and women who
remember Allaah much with their hearts and tongues. Allaah has prepared for
them forgiveness and a great reward (i.e. Paradise)." [Quran 33:35]

Civil Rights:

In Islam, a woman has the basic freedom of choice and expression based on
recognition of her individual personality. First, the non-Muslim woman (from
the people of the Book) is free to maintain her religion. Allaah Says (what
means):"There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right path has been
made distinct from wrong path.� [Quran 2:256]

Women are encouraged in Islam to contribute their opinions and ideas. There
are many traditions of the Prophet which indicate women would pose
questions directly to him and offer their opinions concerning religion,
economics and social matters.

A Muslim woman chooses her husband and keeps her family name after marriage.
A Muslim woman's testimony is valid in legal disputes. In fact, in areas in
which women are more familiar, their evidence is conclusive.

Social Rights

The Prophet said: "Seeking knowledge is a mandate for every Muslim (male
and female)." [Ibn Maajah] This includes knowledge of the Quran and the
Hadeeth as well as other religious knowledge. Men and women both have the
capacity for learning and understanding. Since it is also their obligation
to promote good behavior and condemn bad behavior in all spheres of life,
Muslim women must acquire the appropriate Islamic education to perform this
duty in accordance with their own natural talents and interests.

While maintenance of a home, providing support to her husband, and bearing,
raising and teaching of children are among the first and very highly
regarded roles for a woman, if she has the skills to work outside the home
for the good of the community, she may do so (if she has to) as long as her
family obligations are met, and as long as there is no intermingling between
her and men in the work place.

Islam recognizes and fosters the natural differences between men and women
despite their equality. Some types of work are more suitable for men and
other types for women. This, in no way, diminishes either's effort nor
benefit. Allaah will reward both sexes equally for the value of their work,
though it may not necessarily be the same activity.

The success of a society can be traced to the mothers. The first and
greatest influence on a person comes from the sense of security, affection,
and training received from the mother. Therefore, a woman having children
must be educated and conscientious in order to be a skillful parent.


http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive/article.php?lang=E&id=135508


raven1

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Oct 9, 2009, 2:55:53 PM10/9/09
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:36:54 +0200, "Firnando"
<geovani_t...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Women's liberation through Islam

Is the funniest thing I've heard in my life!

Davej

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On Oct 9, 1:36 pm, "Firnando" <geovani_the_ital...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Women's liberation through Islam
>

The treatment of women in Muslim countries is generally very poor.
They are treated as second class citizens and not even allowed to
travel outdoors without a male chaperone. They are subject to a strict
dress code. They are not treated as equal to their male siblings in
matters of inheritance or access to education. If found to be
unfaithful to their husbands they are commonly put to death, while
their husbands are able to obtain "temporary marriages" for any
desired tryst or prostitute. Their marriages can also be dissolved at
the whim of their husband.

duke

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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:36:54 +0200, "Firnando" <geovani_t...@yahoo.com>
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>Women's liberation through Islam


>
>Today people think that women are liberated in the West and that the women's
>liberation movement began in the 20th century.

Women are still expected to dress like the dark ages.

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"Firnando" <geovani_t...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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--
Children exist solely to inherit a man's trade, his moral code, and his
property. All that is gone now. We rent our apartments from someone else;
there is nothing for our children to inherit. We work for others; we have
no craft to teach them. We haven't a clue what the child wants to be when
he grows up; and by the time the child is grown, the rules we lived by will
have no value--he will live in another universe. If a man accepts the fact
that everything much change then he accepts that life is reduced to nothing
more than the sum of his own experience; past, present, and future
generations mean nothing to him.

Olrik

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Oct 9, 2009, 5:05:42 PM10/9/09
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Firnando wrote:
> Women's liberation through Islam

Don't be stupid.

BTW, try this delicious recipe :

Ingredients:
6 slices Bacon -- chopped in 1" pieces
2 cups Instant Rice
2 cups Water
1 medium Onion -- chopped
2 cups Mushroom -- fresh, sliced
4 tablespoons Red wine
2 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce
1 1/2 cup Cheddar cheese -- grated
Salt -- to taste
1 1/2 tablespoon Parsley -- chopped
Turn this recipe into a puzzle! [click]


Directions:

Saute bacon until almost crisp. Drain excess grease. Return to heat. Add
onion, mushrooms, red wine and Worcestershire sauce. Saute until onion
is translucent.

Cook rice according to package directions. Stir bacon and vegetables
into rice. Add cheese and mix well. Salt to taste. Garnish with parsley.
Serve warm.

This recipe from CDKitchen for Cheesy Bacon Mushroom Rice With Red Wine
serves 6 suicide bombers.

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Enjoy!

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Lee

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Oct 9, 2009, 7:29:39 PM10/9/09
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"Firnando" <geovani_t...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Women's liberation through Islam

Is this some kind of contest to see who can slip the best oxymoron into
a post without anyone noticing?


sherly crofitch

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Oct 9, 2009, 9:50:55 PM10/9/09
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i have met an Arabic women and i discover that what we know about
them is very wrong , she put on here hijab by-here oneself
not according to here husband will but because she dose not like any
man to look at here buddy and in this way she tooled every man other
than here husband that she is not interested in him , she is not a toy
he like it uncovered so he well us here to fulfill his sex dream ( by
the way i met here in Paris were she is working and live there alone
without a husbanded ) and she tolled me that what we know that it is
Islam it is not what the Islam ask them to do but it is the tradianes
and the bad way of being muslim ( the same way in western countries
every man is happy to marry a lovely women and he wants every man to
see how lucky he is to have such a lovely women even it means that
all the other men in the world see here naked or even wish they could
have sex with here ) while the muslim man and women they prefir to be
kept to eachother even with their bouddys and with all the nudity in
streets and every ware for the women it keep no meaning for the butiy
of the relashionship between one man and one women ,there is in no
privecy it it any more ( i am with it 100% ) i feel that there is
something in what she said made me feel that maybe we are not doing
good efforts to understand their point of view, i don t know but it
worth to think about it again

Steve Knight

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Oct 9, 2009, 10:16:32 PM10/9/09
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:36:54 +0200, "Firnando"
<geovani_t...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Women's liberation through Islam

Why does your bleat resemble almost exactly the words of communist
re-education camps? That whole, 'you didn't know you were wrong but I
can help you change'.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

BOfL

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Oct 9, 2009, 11:47:18 PM10/9/09
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What would anyone expect when allah is given the male gender.

No different to what has happened in any culture dominated by
patriarchism, where their god is seen as a 'he'.

BOfL

BOfL

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On Oct 10, 10:16 am, Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:36:54 +0200, "Firnando"
>
> <geovani_the_ital...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Women's liberation through Islam
>
>    Why does your bleat resemble almost exactly the words of communist
> re-education camps? That whole, 'you didn't know you were wrong but I
> can help you change'.
>
> Warlord Steve
> BAAWA

Cultures still at the 'sheep' mentality, also breed shepherds,
fulfilling
mutual needs.

BOfL

BOfL

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Oct 10, 2009, 12:04:18 AM10/10/09
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You do make sense as far as it goes, but , in a more open society,
women admit to fantasizing after men also.

One doesnt 'master' temptation by hiding from it.

Im using the term 'temptation' on the basis that to 'yield', is to
cause objective damage whether it be to your physical health (excess
food being an example), or playing around, which, unless mutually
agreed to, causes massive emotional damage.

My definition of a free society, is one where you are allowed to make
your own 'stuff ups' and learn from the consequences.

Many dictatorships, being religious or otherwise, treat their
'subjects' as inferiors, in need of the dictators directions. (Very
empowering to the dictator).

BOfL

Uncle Vic

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Oct 10, 2009, 12:29:40 AM10/10/09
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Firnando" <geovani_t...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Islam, fourteen centuries ago, made women equally accountable to
> Allaah in glorifying and worshipping Him - setting no limits on her
> moral progress. Also, Islam established a woman's equality in her
> humanity with men.

Why, then, do certain Islamic nations require women to wear a Burka in
public? Do men wear the same garment? No? Then FUCK your idea of
equality.

Have you ever seen a woman in a bikini? I'm guessing it would make you
rise to the occasion. A trip to a USA beach in the summer could satisfy
your sexual needs for years to come, no pun intended.

A visit to a nude beach like Black's in San Diego, would probably kill
you.

You poor fucker.

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Separator of Church and Reason.
Convicted by Earthquack.
My modern calendar ends on 12/31/09. There are no days after that, so
it's obviously the date of the end of the world!

Uncle Vic

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Oct 10, 2009, 12:33:05 AM10/10/09
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If there was a period at the end, this would be the longest sentence I've
ever encountered. As is, it's gibberish.

panam...@hotmail.com

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Oct 10, 2009, 12:59:28 AM10/10/09
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On Oct 9, 9:50 pm, sherly crofitch <shery...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 9, 10:00 pm, Davej <galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 9, 1:36 pm, "Firnando" <geovani_the_ital...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Women's liberation through Islam
>
> > The treatment of women in Muslim countries is generally very poor.
> > They are treated as second class citizens and not even allowed to
> > travel outdoors without a male chaperone. They are subject to a strict
> > dress code. They are not treated as equal to their male siblings in
> > matters of inheritance or access to education. If found to be
> > unfaithful to their husbands they are commonly put to death, while
> > their husbands are able to obtain "temporary marriages" for any
> > desired tryst or prostitute. Their marriages can also be dissolved at
> > the whim of their husband.
>
> i have met an Arabic women and  i discover that what we know about
> them is very wrong ,

You neglect to understand that the victim of "brainwashing" doesn't
often know they're brainwashed-especially when it's been done to them
as children. They don't know any better, and assume that their
situation is "normal". This is often the reason young Muslim immigrant
women in Europe are murdered by their own families. They discover the
modern world, attempt to join it, and their normal human desires are
viewed by (almost universally the males in) their bigoted families as
some sort of "failure" on their own part.

As tragic and sadistic as it is...it is part & parcel of the Islamic
myth. If you idiots wish to exterminate your own women within your own
armpits of the world, that's your business. Personally, I hope you're
successful. No women means no children, and your insipid mythology
would die in a single human generation.

When you attempt to do the same in the modern societies you've
invaded, it is a crime.

http://tinyurl.com/yhomjdg

Furthermore, when you attempt to inflict your madness upon women who
are *not* Muslim, your crimes are much more severe.

http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/757-Pan-European-Arab-Muslim-Gang-Rape-Epidemic.html

It's one issue to see you morons treat your own women so badly...it's
quite another when you bloodthirsty savages try to apply the tenants
of your moronic superstition to *our* society.

`Tolerance' ends when violence begins. If you don't want to be treated
like sick animals, stop acting like you actually *are*.

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain

Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html


turtoni

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On Oct 10, 12:04 am, BOfL <bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My definition of a free society, is one where

you were culturally conditioned from birth to behave in certain ways.

HTHelps.

Steve Knight

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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:29:40 -0500, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
wrote:

>One fine day in alt.atheism, "Firnando" <geovani_t...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Islam, fourteen centuries ago, made women equally accountable to
>> Allaah in glorifying and worshipping Him - setting no limits on her
>> moral progress. Also, Islam established a woman's equality in her
>> humanity with men.
>
>Why, then, do certain Islamic nations require women to wear a Burka in
>public? Do men wear the same garment? No? Then FUCK your idea of
>equality.
>
>Have you ever seen a woman in a bikini? I'm guessing it would make you
>rise to the occasion. A trip to a USA beach in the summer could satisfy
>your sexual needs for years to come, no pun intended.
>
>A visit to a nude beach like Black's in San Diego, would probably kill
>you.
>
>You poor fucker.

Nature/evolution... call it what you want. The animal system is in
place and has existed from day one of our climb to sentience. Man,
woman and reproduction of the species. We exist to do one thing,
reproduce. We are wired genetically to do this one thing. It's mental
and physical. We will try to reproduce even in the face of it killing
us.

The islamer's superstition wants to control this instinctual
command. Saying the woman is dirty because 'they' make a man want to
... fuck. They push my instinct. Dirty bitches. How dare you make me
horny! It's your fault! Not mine. Put this sack on!

To me, islamic men are not men. They are eunuchs castrated by their
belief. Pitiful penis obsessed morons that haven't a clue of the true
meaning of being a man. A man is a man when he can please a woman. To
savor and be raptured in the feminine of a woman. The bliss of being
one.

We wear clothing in 'our' society that makes us content. What we do
is none of your business. If 'I' see a hot babe at the beach showing
her stuff, I'm not going to rape her like your superstition suggests,
I'm gonna look, enjoy the moment and be a man.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Piet de Arcilla

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Oct 10, 2009, 2:42:38 AM10/10/09
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On Oct 10, 12:04 am, BOfL <bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 10, 9:50 am, sherly crofitch <shery...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 9, 10:00 pm, Davej <galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 9, 1:36 pm, "Firnando" <geovani_the_ital...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Women's liberation through Islam
>
> > > The treatment of women in Muslim countries is generally very poor.
[...]

> > i have met an Arabic women and  i discover that what we know about
> > them is very wrong , she put on here hijab by-here oneself

I like how people argue and don't even pay any attention to what is
said.

One person says the treatment of women *in Muslim countries* is very
poor, and the reponse is to say women wear the hijab voluntarily in
the West!

default

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Oct 10, 2009, 8:55:43 AM10/10/09
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:36:54 +0200, "Firnando"
<geovani_t...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Women cannot be by nature evil (as some religions believes) or
>then men would be evil also.

Your bias is showing!
--

fasgnadh

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Oct 10, 2009, 8:58:00 AM10/10/09
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Steve Knight wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:29:40 -0500, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
> wrote:
>
>> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Firnando" <geovani_t...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Islam, fourteen centuries ago, made women equally accountable to
>>> Allaah in glorifying and worshipping Him - setting no limits on her
>>> moral progress. Also, Islam established a woman's equality in her
>>> humanity with men.
>>
>> Why, then, do certain Islamic nations require women to wear a Burka in
>> public?

Why did some atheist states make everyone wear Mao suits?

http://www.thearchetypalconnection.com/images/RedGuardsLow.JPG

Talk about BORING! B^D

Cultural stupidity.

The worlds largest Muslim Nation is our neighbour,
200,000,000 Muslims, and not a burka to be seen anywhere.

That's because it is not mentioned in the Qur'an, you dimwit!

Try again to create some stereotype based on a MINOROTY behaviour,
because you have almost got your imitation of Nazism working...
you just have to complete the transition from the 'Dirty Jew'
propaganda to the 'Dirty Muslim' version.

Its the same stereotyping based on ATYPICAL behaviour shit as
the Nazis used, just from a different arsehole, an atheist
bigot insted of an anti-semitic one.

>> Have you ever seen a woman in a bikini?

Yes, and unlike you I have seen one out of it as well! B^]

Do you have a point except the one on top of your head?


> Nature/evolution... call it what you want.

You can't tell the difference between them? 8^o


> The animal system is in
> place and has existed from day one of our climb to sentience. Man,
> woman and reproduction of the species. We exist to do one thing,
> reproduce. We are wired genetically to do this one thing. It's mental
> and physical. We will try to reproduce even in the face of it killing
> us.

Your world view is astonishingly limited.

You see yourself as no more than a rutting animal.

Sad really.

That explains why some of you worship other animals you
regard as superior to you.. in your case, they probably are! B^D

Atheists openly admit Animal worship

# Subject: Re: Atheist vs Theist Pet Poll
# From: Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com>
# Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:21:07 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID:
<94d8a483-13cd-4aa7...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>
#
# On Oct 2, 4:19=A0pm, SkyEyes wrote:
# > On Oct 1, 6:36=A0pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
# >>> Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote
# >
# >>>> I know this is probably silly
# >>
# >> only true atheists have cats and only true cats have atheists.
# >
# > Cats choose atheists
# >
# > an atheist, being a non- practitioner of religion, will not
# > waste her/his worship on any being *other than* the cat.
# >
# > a cat *is the closest things to a Superior Being
#
# Beautifully put. This is quotable material. :-)
#
# Do you mind if I quote it on my other group?

Can you really squeeze any more asinine stupidity into it? B^D

# From: Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com>
# Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:16:46 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID:
<b966d162-63bb-4f9f...@m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>
#
# We may worship cats but we love all kinds of animals.

alt.sex.bestiality is probably a better NG for you.

After all, it's prohibited in the worlds great religions,
but not in Atheism, eh?

> The islamer's superstition wants to control this instinctual
> command.

If you don't control your 'instinctual command' you could be
charged with rape. But then you are a big bad Warlord, aren't you?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAA


> Saying the woman is dirty because 'they' make a man want to

So WHY are YOU saying that? Because the Qur'an certainly doesn't.

Oh well, you bigots NEVER let your ignorance stop you from a good RANT!

In fact that's your only basis for posting, your incredible IGNORANCE.

> ... fuck. They push my instinct.

You have no self control. You see yourself as an animal, a prisoner
of your 'instinct' ...you regard it as a 'command' IT control YOU.

Someone who is fully human is the master of their desires, you describe
your's the other way around, controlling your behaviour.

> Dirty bitches.

Your misogyny is leaking out, ex-WhoreLard, ...in public.

> How dare you make me horny!

I make you horny?! 8^o You dirty little fudge-packing cake boy! B^D

Sorry, I'm straight, you will have to keep mating with Uncle Vic.

> It's your fault! Not mine. Put this sack on!

Is Uncle Vic really so ugly you will only do him with a
sack on his head? Is that because you don't want him
to see your little penis, and laugh? B^D


> To me, islamic men are not men.

Of course, you and your boyfriend, Ben Dover,
think of them as bitches, we saw the photos
you two took with Lindy at Abu Ghraib...

But tell us why you normally prefer atheist BrownShirtLifters..

> They are eunuchs castrated by their belief.

Ah, so you can feel powerful, compared to them!

That explains your Warlord fantasy.. classic small penis compensation!

B^D Describe your encounters with male sexual partners:

> Pitiful penis obsessed morons that haven't a clue of the true
> meaning of being a man.

And your 'instincts' set you free to rut away with them,
and 'teach them a thing or two', eh?

Your photos from Abu Ghraib suggest you are compensting
for impotence by attempting to humiliate other men.

Your posts reveal the SAME THING!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHA!


> A man is a man when he can please a woman.

And you are not a man when you are just having breakfast,
reading the paper, or sleeping? B^D

Sounds like your 'manhood' only exists while you are wearing your
strap on dildo! B^)
Look out Uncle Vic!!! B^D

What is your dream, if you weren't a simpering pillow biter?

> To savor and be raptured in the feminine of a woman.

You want to wear, and sniff, women's clothes??? 8^o

You naughty little ex- Whorelord!


Stephanie, you sound like a clueless teenager..

"raptured in the feminine of a woman"?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA

You desperately need some basic Sex Ed, start with Cleese:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLKMQtfZLUw


> The bliss of being one.

The bliss of being a woman? AH, now I see what you mean by
being raptured in the 'feminine' of a woman...

You like wearing dresses and frilly panties!

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! You Go GIRL!!!

Stephanie the Atheist Tranny! B^]

Nice pastel frock, Stephanie!! B^D

Why do you 'girls' wear push up bra's and stilettos?

> We wear clothing in 'our' society that makes us content.

And that pink floral frock looks LOVELY on you, Stephanie!

We have all heard your conversations about latex.. B^]

That's why I let you wear the Gimp suit!

So how IS Uncle Vic in bed? who's the 'woman'?

It's you.. isn't it!

> What we do is none of your business.

But you told us you are 'raptured in the feminine of a woman'
and enjoy 'the bliss of being one'. B^D

So, are you just a cross-dresser, or have you had the operation? 8^o


> If 'I' see a hot babe at the beach showing
> her stuff, I'm not going to rape her like
> your superstition suggests,

You seem to be the only person talking rape.. have you entirely
missed the meaning of what he said or is this just the normal
bigotry where you nut-jobs rant about what he DIDN'T SAY, project your
OWN fantasies and then attack the straw man you have projected?

> I'm gonna look, enjoy the moment and be a man.

That's it? You can't be a man?

Because YOU said you can't be a man unless you are pleasuring her! B^)

"A man is a man when he can please a woman"

You think that's done by just LOOKING at one!? B^p

You REALLY NEED THE John Cleese Sex Ed video!!!! B^D

It almost as funny as you pretending you know what it is
to be a man, and contradicting yourself completely;

"A man is a man when he can please a woman"

"I'm gonna look, enjoy the moment and be a man"

Sounds like she not only missed the foreplay, but
ALL THREE ACTS!

No wonder she was so frustrated
she came to visit me and two-time you!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAH

Hilarious!


> Warlord Steve

"I like to watch" - ex-Warlord Fluffy's idea of pleasing a woman

> BAAWA

No wonder you are always weeping, you poor impotent wanker!


You need to start with the Atheist sex ed video,
Cleese is too subtle four you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyhTDsGgEfg&NR=1


--

alt.atheism FAQ:

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/


http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source


"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest


"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

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The only joke I see is you exposing your ignorance.

You don't seem to have read it, clealry didn't understand it
and have nothing intelligent to say about it.

That about sums up the atheist response to EVERYTHING! B^D

>> Today people think that women are liberated in the West and that the women's
>> liberation movement began in the 20th century. Actually, the women's
>> liberation movement was not begun by women but was revealed by Allaah (God)
>> to a man in the seventh century by the name of Muhammad . The Quran and the
>> Traditions of the Prophet are the sources from which every Muslim woman
>> derives her rights and duties.
>>
>> Human Rights:
>>
>> Islam, fourteen centuries ago, made women equally accountable to Allaah in
>> glorifying and worshipping Him - setting no limits on her moral progress.
>> Also, Islam established a woman's equality in her humanity with men.


Equality. That was not the case in the Arabian peninsula before
Mohammed (PBUH) revealed the Qur'an, was it!?

The Arabs at the time were barbarous, idolators, treated
women as Chattels and wewe known to simply abandon unwanted
female babies in the dunes.

What a transformation Islam made!

And is it not the case that the Qur'an simply requires BOTH men
and women to 'dress modestly', and that the situations where the Burka
is imposed upon women ( a minority of Muslim communities in the world)
is not because the Burka is defined in the Qur'an but is a decision made
by some male clerics.


>> In the first verse of the chapter entitled "Women", Allaah Says (what
>> means):"O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single
>> person (Aadam), and from him (Aadam) He created his wife [Hawwaa (Eve)], and
>> from them both, He created many men and women and fear Allaah through Whom
>> you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs
>> (kinship). Surely, Allaah is Ever an All-Watcher over you." [Quran 4:1]
>>
>> Since men and women both came from the same essence, they are equal in their
>> humanity. Women cannot be by nature evil (as some religions believes) or
>> then men would be evil also.

Indeed, humans are not intrinsically evil, they simply make mistakes,
and need to be educated and perfected to become fully human.

The atheists however do not want to know what the Qur'an teaches,
they cannot face the truth, they need to repeat to themselves
and to each other, the STEREOTYPES WHICH FEED THEIR PREJUDICE
and BIGOTRY.

>> Similarly, neither sex can be superior because
>> it would be a contradiction of equality. Allaah Says (which means): "O
>> mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into
>> nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most
>> honorable of you with Allaah is that (believer) who is the most pious of
>> you. Verily, Allaah is All-Knowing, All-Aware." [Quran 49:13]

So it is not Gender that is important in the eyes of God, but the
Heart of each individual, if they are good, truthful, humble..
virtuous.

This is the foundation of every great and enduring civilisation,
and Islam has certainly been one.

>>
>> Allaah also Says (what means): "Verily, the Muslims men and women, the
>> believers men and women, the men and women who are obedient (to Allaah), the
>> men and women who are truthful (in their speech and deeds), the men and
>> women who are humble (before their Lord), the men and women who give
>> charity, the men and women who observe fasting, the men and women who guard
>> their chastity (from illegal sexual acts), and the men and women who
>> remember Allaah much with their hearts and tongues. Allaah has prepared for
>> them forgiveness and a great reward (i.e. Paradise)." [Quran 33:35]
>>
>> Civil Rights:
>>
>> In Islam, a woman has the basic freedom of choice and expression based on
>> recognition of her individual personality. First, the non-Muslim woman (from
>> the people of the Book) is free to maintain her religion.

People of the Book = The Jews, the Christians and the Sabians -
Athiests are clueless, you need to spell it out or they will
misunderstand, and their malice turns their misunderstanding into
hate-fileld bigotry.. as you will have observed.

>> Allaah Says (what
>> means):"There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right path has been

>> made distinct from wrong path.� [Quran 2:256]

Indeed, Islam states clearly that they all worship the One God;

# "And argue not with the People of the Scripture
# unless it be in ( a way) that is better,
# save with such of them as do wrong;
# and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us
# and revealed unto you;
# our God and your God is One,
# and unto Him we surrender."
#
# - The Qu'ran Sura 29 verse 46

TI was not until Vatican II that the Roman Church finally heard,
and agreed, that Islam and Judaism and Christianity WORSHIP THE
SAME GOD!

# "DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH
# TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
#
# NOSTRA AETATE
#
# PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
# ...
# 3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems.
# They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself;
# merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5)
# who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to
# even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith
# of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God."

The centuries of misunderstanding are coming to an end.

(Except among those who have a need to perpetuate misunderstanding,
the clerics, whose power is threatened, the atheists, who can't
grasp what is going on, and will continue to fight medieval
interpretations and remain in ignorance.


>> Women are encouraged in Islam to contribute their opinions and ideas. There
>> are many traditions of the Prophet which indicate women would pose
>> questions directly to him and offer their opinions concerning religion,
>> economics and social matters.
>>
>> A Muslim woman chooses her husband and keeps her family name after marriage.
>> A Muslim woman's testimony is valid in legal disputes. In fact, in areas in
>> which women are more familiar, their evidence is conclusive.
>>
>> Social Rights
>>
>> The Prophet said: "Seeking knowledge is a mandate for every Muslim (male
>> and female)." [Ibn Maajah] This includes knowledge of the Quran and the
>> Hadeeth as well as other religious knowledge. Men and women both have the
>> capacity for learning and understanding. Since it is also their obligation
>> to promote good behavior and condemn bad behavior in all spheres of life,
>> Muslim women must acquire the appropriate Islamic education to perform this
>> duty in accordance with their own natural talents and interests.
>>
>> While maintenance of a home, providing support to her husband, and bearing,
>> raising and teaching of children are among the first and very highly
>> regarded roles for a woman, if she has the skills to work outside the home
>> for the good of the community, she may do so (if she has to) as long as her
>> family obligations are met, and as long as there is no intermingling between
>> her and men in the work place.

Can you provide me with the verses from the Qur'an which prohibit
intermingling of men and women, I am most curious, as in my
country Muslim women work and teach alongside men.

>> Islam recognizes and fosters the natural differences between men and women
>> despite their equality. Some types of work are more suitable for men and
>> other types for women. This, in no way, diminishes either's effort nor
>> benefit. Allaah will reward both sexes equally for the value of their work,
>> though it may not necessarily be the same activity.

I agree it is difficult for a male to breastfeed, and my own daughters,
presented with both Dolls and Construction sets, did prefer the dolls,
but I am curious in this age, where machines remover the requirement
for physical strength, what in the Qur'an prevents a woman from
flying a jet fighter, in your view.

After all, several research projects show they can pull more G-Forces
than males. something to do with a higher pain threshold.

I am only interested in quotes from the Qur'an, not Hadith, which I
regard as interesting collections of human opinions, but not
authoritative.

>> The success of a society can be traced to the mothers. The first and
>> greatest influence on a person comes from the sense of security, affection,
>> and training received from the mother. Therefore, a woman having children
>> must be educated and conscientious in order to be a skillful parent.
>>

Very sound. Allah alim

I cannot see anything in what you wrote that would cause the storm
of ignorant vitriol in response to your post from the atheists.

As usual, they seem to have Ignored what you said, and mindlessly
attack what they IMAGINE you 'stand for'. pffft!

They do it all the time.

I have been labeled a Muslim, simply because I quote the Qur'an
in attempts to correct some of their gross misrepresentations.

I do make it clear that I am not a Muslim, but the persist in their
charades.. if they don't PROJECT their stereotypes, they have no
script to go by.

>> http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive/article.php?lang=E&id=135508

Shalom and Salaam. ;-)

fasgnadh

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duke wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:36:54 +0200, "Firnando" <geovani_t...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Women's liberation through Islam
>>
>> Today people think that women are liberated in the West and that the women's
>> liberation movement began in the 20th century.
>
> Women are still expected to dress like the dark ages.

200,000,000 Muslims, no Burkas, some wear scarves,
like Italian Catholic women still do.. some look
just like american office workers, bare headed..

It looks to me like no one is forced to dress like the
dark ages, and no one is as covered up as a Nun...

http://www.bwint.org/pictures/jakartaaug09.JPG

So why do you want to aid the Atheists in their hate-filled
stereotypes of people your pope said worship the same God?

# "DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH
# TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
#
# NOSTRA AETATE
#
# PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
# ...
# 3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems.
# They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself;
# merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5)
# who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to
# even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith
# of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God."

If you are the only Catholic the atheists encounter, couldn't
you at least do a better job of showing the changes in Church
attitudes, or are you determined to out-bigot them? 8^o

What would Jesus say?

Lee

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HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, fuck your
mother (nikomak), molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the
time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities
at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to
a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an
indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, Hijack a plane,
Hijack a ship, ............ Practice all those and you too could
become a prophet !!

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By Henry Makow Ph.D.
October 16, 2004

Muslim "reformer" Irshad Manji, 35, symbolizes the globalist push to
extinguish true religion and enslave humanity.

The globalist elite peddles Manji, a Toronto lesbian activist, as a
herald of necessary change. Her book "The Trouble With Islam: A Wake
Up Call for Honesty and Change" is being translated into a dozen
languages.

Oprah Winfrey and Maclean's magazine have honoured her. She has spoken
at Oxford University, the United Nations press club, the World
Presidents Organization, the International Women's Forum, and the
Pentagon. The New York Times described her has "Osama bin Laden's
worst nightmare." You get the picture.

The wonder is that Manji and her audience actually think they are
bucking the establishment. Some even consider themselves opposed to
globalization.

Last week, for the second time in six months, Manji spoke here in
Winnipeg.

The Asper Foundation and the Jewish Women's Federation sponsored her.
The Aspers (Canwest Media) own a TV network and the largest chain of
newspapers in Canada.

In her speech, Manji called on Muslims to return to their ancient
tradition of "ijtihad" which encouraged them to scrutinize their
social and religious institutions and make their own decisions about
how to live.

As far as I could tell, there was only one Muslim in the audience of
about 800.

The title of her lecture ("Why I Support Women, Jews and Pluralism")
may have been a factor. Most of the people present were Jews (some
appeared to be there out of social obligation) with a smattering of
lesbians and globots.

It was comical to listen to Manji exhort Muslims to challenge their
tradition in front of an audience composed mainly of Jews, a community
not noted for rigorous self-examination.

Ever heard of a book (or lecture) entitled "The Trouble with Judaism:
A Wake Up Call for Honesty and Change?"

In the Q & A session afterward, the sole Muslim present said she had
flouted her family by having a Black child out-of-wedlock. She also
had adopted two aboriginal children so her family was "a regular
United Nations."

She was heartily applauded for her rebellion and presented as an
example of interracial tolerance.

I doubt if any of these Jews would have applauded had this woman been
their daughter.

Organized Jewry seems to promote "tolerance" for other people (like
Muslims) but does not embrace it itself.

For example, I asked Manji to comment on Israel's policy to forbid
Palestinians from living in Israel even if they are married to
Israelis. Manji evaded my question and the moderator didn't remind her
of it...

In her talk, Manji alluded vaguely to women's oppression in Muslim
societies. As a solution, she promoted "micro business loans" for
women (not men) so they could become "entrepreneurs."

Muslim men then would be "working for their wives," she said.

In other words, deprive men of their social role as protectors and
providers. The only men resisting the New World Order are Muslims
precisely because they haven't been gelded like "men" in the West.

In the words of "insider" Harold Wallace Rosenthal:

"We have castrated society through fear and intimidation. Its manhood
exists only in combination with a feminine outward appearance. Being
so neutered, the populace has become docile and easily ruled. As all
geldings...their thoughts are not involved with the concerns of the
future and their posterity, but only with the present and with the
next meal."

In Muslim society women are cherished and loved for their service to
their families. Manji would export the West's family breakdown and
plummeting birthrate by "liberating" women from this place of honor.

Globots hate nothing more than a woman devoted to her husband and
family. She is dangerous. They can't control her. She might have a
healthy happy family with independent values. This could spread!

Manji said some women in Afghanistan are using these small business
loans to start schools for girls (not boys.)

"They believe that if you educate a boy, you educate only him," she
said. "But if you educate a girl, you educate the whole family."

Huh? Don't fathers have a role in educating their children?

This unsubtle attempt to exclude fathers is typical of the hateful
underhanded attack on the heterosexual family made by self-described
"women of conscience" and "champions of human rights" who say they are
opposed to "marginalizing any group."

These pious self-serving dupes define "human rights" selectively.

Not entitled to them are the heterosexual majority of European or
Muslim origin, males in particular. They are attacked mercilessly and
if they resist, they are accused of bigotry.

Many homosexuals and Jews have this in common: they feel they are
"outsiders" socially and metaphysically.

While most are content to live and let live, organized Jewry and gay
activists like Manji must convince them they are being persecuted in
order to advance their own hostile agenda: to recast society in their
own image.

These activists are financed and promoted by the financial elite whose
goal is to control society by destabilizing it.


http://www.ihr.org/ www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/

http://www.natvan.com http://www.nsm88.org

http://heretical.com/ http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/

Kayid Al-Kuffar

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On Oct 9, 9:36 pm, "Firnando" <geovani_the_ital...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Women's liberation through Islam
>
> Today people think that women are liberated in the West and that the women's
> liberation movement began in the 20th century. Actually, the women's

> liberation movement was not begun by women but was revealed by Allaah (God)
> to a man in the seventh century by the name of Muhammad . The Quran and the
> Traditions of the Prophet  are the sources from which every Muslim woman
> derives her rights and duties.
>
> Human Rights:
>
> Islam, fourteen centuries ago, made women equally accountable to Allaah in
> glorifying and worshipping Him - setting no limits on her moral progress.
> Also, Islam established a woman's equality in her humanity with men.
>
> In the first verse of the chapter entitled "Women", Allaah Says (what
> means):"O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single
> person (Aadam), and from him (Aadam) He created his wife [Hawwaa (Eve)], and
> from them both, He created many men and women and fear Allaah through Whom
> you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs
> (kinship). Surely, Allaah is Ever an All-Watcher over you." [Quran 4:1]
>
> Since men and women both came from the same essence, they are equal in their
> humanity. Women cannot be by nature evil (as some religions believes) or
> then men would be evil also. Similarly, neither sex can be superior because

> it would be a contradiction of equality. Allaah Says (which means): "O
> mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into
> nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most
> honorable of you with Allaah is that (believer) who is the most pious of
> you. Verily, Allaah is All-Knowing, All-Aware." [Quran 49:13]
>
> Allaah also Says (what means): "Verily, the Muslims men and women, the
> believers men and women, the men and women who are obedient (to Allaah), the
> men and women who are truthful (in their speech and deeds), the men and
> women who are humble (before their Lord), the men and women who give
> charity, the men and women who observe fasting, the men and women who guard
> their chastity (from illegal sexual acts), and the men and women who
> remember Allaah much with their hearts and tongues. Allaah has prepared for
> them forgiveness and a great reward (i.e. Paradise)." [Quran 33:35]
>
> Civil Rights:
>
> In Islam, a woman has the basic freedom of choice and expression based on
> recognition of her individual personality. First, the non-Muslim woman (from
> the people of the Book) is free to maintain her religion. Allaah Says (what

> means):"There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right path has been
> made distinct from wrong path.” [Quran 2:256]

>
> Women are encouraged in Islam to contribute their opinions and ideas. There
> are many traditions of the Prophet  which indicate women would pose
> questions directly to him and offer their opinions concerning religion,
> economics and social matters.
>
> A Muslim woman chooses her husband and keeps her family name after marriage.
> A Muslim woman's testimony is valid in legal disputes. In fact, in areas in
> which women are more familiar, their evidence is conclusive.
>
> Social Rights
>
> The Prophet  said: "Seeking knowledge is a mandate for every Muslim (male
> and female)." [Ibn Maajah] This includes knowledge of the Quran and the
> Hadeeth as well as other religious knowledge. Men and women both have the
> capacity for learning and understanding. Since it is also their obligation
> to promote good behavior and condemn bad behavior in all spheres of life,
> Muslim women must acquire the appropriate Islamic education to perform this
> duty in accordance with their own natural talents and interests.
>
> While maintenance of a home, providing support to her husband, and bearing,
> raising and teaching of children are among the first and very highly
> regarded roles for a woman, if she has the skills to work outside the home
> for the good of the community, she may do so (if she has to) as long as her
> family obligations are met, and as long as there is no intermingling between
> her and men in the work place.
>
> Islam recognizes and fosters the natural differences between men and women
> despite their equality. Some types of work are more suitable for men and
> other types for women. This, in no way, diminishes either's effort nor
> benefit. Allaah will reward both sexes equally for the value of their work,
> though it may not necessarily be the same activity.
>
> The success of a society can be traced to the mothers. The first and
> greatest influence on a person comes from the sense of security, affection,
> and training received from the mother. Therefore, a woman having children
> must be educated and conscientious in order to be a skillful parent.
>
> http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive/article.php?lang=E&id=135508

Remember there is NO Life or Dignity without Islaam!!!


raven1

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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:56:28 -0700 (PDT), Kayid Al-Kuffar
<kaye...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Remember there is NO Life or Dignity without Islaam!!!

Nice sock puppet.

Virgil

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In article <sx%zm.46597$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:


>
> Cultural stupidity.

Is a necessary component of every theist faith.

>
Does fasgnadh have a point except the one on top of his head?

> # > a cat *is the closest things to a Superior Being

Certainly any cat is immensly superior to fasgnadh, though not
necessarily so non-thiests.

> Beautifully put. This is quotable material. :-)
>

> Do you mind if I quote it on my other group?
>


> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

There goes fasgnadh, vainly trying to be articulate again!!!

Fasgnadh's impassioned defense of Islam and the the Koran could only
come from a dedicated Muslim.

Free Lunch

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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:56:28 -0700 (PDT), Kayid Al-Kuffar
<kaye...@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:

In the real world, women who live in Islamic countries seldom are
treated as well as slaves.

Religion demeans people.

Puck Greenman

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Women's liberation through Islam

That's an oxymoron.

Don H

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"fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> >> made distinct from wrong path.� [Quran 2:256]

# The three main monotheistic religions are patriarchal, and while they may
grant some minor concessions to women, this second sex is kept firmly in her
place; even the title "wo-man" means "wife-man".
One of the main reasons why US & Co are still in Afghanistan, is,
allegedly, that if they pull out now, the local women would be left to the
tender mercies of the Taliban - back to the burqa, and virtual slavery.
If Christianity, Judaism, and many Muslims, have mellowed in their
attitude to women, it is probably mainly because of outside civilising
influences, than anything inherent in their own orthodoxy. Back to
Fundamentalism? We trust not.


John Locke

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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:56:28 -0700 (PDT), Kayid Al-Kuffar
<kaye...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Remember there is NO Life or Dignity without Islaam!!!
>

..if you fail to adhere to the dictates of the Islamic cleric ghouls
and choose to dissent, you will be committing apostasy which is
punishable by death. Living in fear and unable to trust even your own
family is not living and there is no dignity in being arrested, tried
and hung.

Then there's the dehumanizing of women...the disgusting and insane
process of bagging up women and shoving them in a corner like dogs,
with the threat of punishment or death hanging over their heads for
the slightest violation for some archaic, insane Islamic code.
For them, there is no life, no dignity, no fucking anything except the
perpetual scenario of being hopelessly trapped in a nightmare.

...REMEMBER, there is NO Life or Dignity WITH Isalm!!!

Hope for the Heartless

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In article <V26Am.46627$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Don H" <donlhu...@bigpond.com> wrote:

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001


> 874c.jpg
>
> # The three main monotheistic religions are patriarchal, and while they may
> grant some minor concessions to women, this second sex is kept firmly in her
> place;

True.

> even the title "wo-man" means "wife-man".

True but irrelevant. The word "woman" is used by English-speaking
people, regardless of religion. It derives from pre-Christian Germanic
roots. It wasn't made up by monks or something to denigrate
wo- *err* --- fe- *err* --- chicks.

> One of the main reasons why US & Co are still in Afghanistan, is,
> allegedly, that if they pull out now, the local women would be left to the
> tender mercies of the Taliban - back to the burqa, and virtual slavery.

I don't think so. I think America just doesn't want to be seen as
defeated buy a bunch of douchebags like the Taliban.

> If Christianity, Judaism, and many Muslims, have mellowed in their
> attitude to women, it is probably mainly because of outside civilising
> influences, than anything inherent in their own orthodoxy. Back to
> Fundamentalism? We trust not.

Agreed.

"yaako warrior from auz., nz., korea., germany., rsa., usa., sweden, hong kong, canada, russia, china, denmark, uk, .........., the slayer of fecal stained moslems moslems._.fuck-.goats-like-false.-.prophet.-.mohammad."

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BREAKING NEWS - Emily Fabian (nee Layton) is now officially an apostate
and Divorcee - see attached photo of Emily without the beekeepers suite
- she just couldn't stomach Leonardo Fabian's preference to bestiality.
- Call Emily Fabian +1-(801) 471-5425, or email ja_tu_...@hotmail.com
to hear more about her ex-husbands backward mohammadan family -
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seon

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"Don H" <donlhu...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:V26Am.46627$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...


> "fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:bb0Am.46602$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> raven1 wrote:
>> > On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:36:54 +0200, "Firnando"
>> > <geovani_t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Women's liberation through Islam
>> >

Saying that Islam gives women rights is a insult to women in islamic
countries who: Aren't allowed to leave their house without a male escort,
get whipped if they do not report a rape, get forced to have their private
parts mutilated, get killed in "Honor killings", forced to wear the veil,
the list is endless. By saying these things are "women's liberation" is the
most fascist and barbaric thing anyone could ever do. How dare you say these
things are good things.

fasgnadh

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>>>> made distinct from wrong path.� [Quran 2:256]

Almost all human organisation for most of recorded history, has been,

including Atheist states led by Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot and Kim ill
Fuk and his son Kim Sik Fuk... al males

It is because their religious teachings have been so inspirational,
sustaining and transforming to Great and enduring Civilisations
that THEIR Patriarchies have lasted, while the atheist ones, all
tyrannies, have not.

Cadit Quaetio.

> and while they may grant some minor concessions to women,

Exah revelation has established new rights, protections, equality
and freedoms for women.

Jesus brought women, even prostitutes, into his circle of
followers despite the universal patriarchy of the times.

Mohammed established fundamental rights for women among
barbarous arab tribes who were known previously to
discard unwanted girl babies in the dunes..

The Bahai faith, claiming to be the latest of these
revelations, declared the emancipation of Women in the mid
1800's, half a century before the Suffragettes and votes
for women.

Christian groups such as the Quakers were instrumental in the
First Womens Rights meeting in Seneca Falls [See below]

And the atheists role in this struggle? like every
important social movement, nothing significant..

oh, almost half of the over 60,000,000 killed by
atheist regimes were women.. proud of your accomplishments?

# Subject: Re: Does God Hate Women? -The First Women's Rights
# Conference was held in the Wesleyan Church - Where was Atheism? B^p
# From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,aus.religion,talk.atheism,
# alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc,
# aus.politics,alt.agnosticism
# Message-ID: <A%rdm.9117$ze1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:33:04 GMT
#
# The First Womens Rights conference was held in the Wesleyan
# Church, Seneca Falls, 1848
#
#
http://www.nps.gov/wori/historyculture/the-first-womens-rights-convention.htm
#
# Where were the atheist liars and propagandists when it mattered?
#
# "QUAKER INFLUENCE ON THE SENECA FALLS CONVENTION
# The women's rights movement was rooted in the fertile
# ground of central New York. This area was known for
# sweeping reform, which burned across the landscape
# through village, town, and city like a prairie on fire.
# Much of this reform was due to the numerous members of
# the Society of Friends, Quakers, who made their homes here.
# A progressive branch of Quakers lived in and around Waterloo,
# New York. At a time in America when women had virtually
# no rights, these Quakers provided model relationships
# where men and women worked and lived in equality."
#
# http://www.nps.gov/wori/historyculture/quaker-influence.htm
#
# "We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men
# and women are created equal; that they are endowed by
# their Creator with certain inalienable rights..."
# - Cited in the Declaration of the Conference.
#
# William Lloyd Garrison wrote to Thomas M'Clintock, one of the
# 32 Men for Women's Rights, largely Quakers, who signed the
# Conference declaration
#
# "You have a soul, capable of Embracing the largest idea
# of humanity. �I regard you as one of those whose country
# is not America, Europe, Asia, or Africa, but the world;
# and whose countrymen are all the rational creatures of God,�
# whether their complexion be white, black, red, or any other
# color�. When this spirit shall universally prevail among
# men there shall be no more wares, no more slavery,
# no more injustice."
#
# God's voice was a clarion call.. where were the atheists?

The stereotypes presented by Atheists are IGNORANT and ILL INFORMED.

Of course religions, made up of human beings, will
be subject to cultural influences.. thus in certain parts
of Africa female genital mutilation is practised by some
of the Muslims, Christian and pagan tribespeople.

It is NOT particular to one faith, or just to religions, and it
is not practised anywhere outside that area of PRIMITIVE
CULTURAL INFLUENCE, a legacy of a pagan past.

There are 1.37 BILLION Muslims in the World, the number
of people practising female genital mutilation, condemned by
EVERY RELIGION, is in the tens, not even hundreds, and is not
part of Islam or Christianity.

So, Atheists in alt.atheism have simply joined the Islamophobic
BIGOTS in their appeals to IGNORANCE, HATRED AND PREJUDICE.

Big Shame Job.

And although they are willing adolescents and low IQ thugs over,
they are turning off ALL the Thinking non-believers!

And that is simply another cause of the global decline in Atheism


> One of the main reasons why US & Co are still in Afghanistan, is,
> allegedly, that if they pull out now, the local women would be left to the
> tender mercies of the Taliban - back to the burqa, and virtual slavery.

Atheist regimes were REAL slavery, not just forced into the uniform
clothing, but herded like sheep, tortured terrorised and killed.

If you hold Islam responsible for what MOST ISLAMIC NATIONS DON'T DO,
then you have to hold atheism responsible for what EVERY Atheist regime
DID DO! Brutal Tyranny


> If Christianity, Judaism, and many Muslims, have mellowed in their
> attitude to women, it is probably mainly because of outside civilising
> influences,

No, Religions have LED this social evolution and that is why
I am the only one providing EVIDENCE of key events in the
social evolution.

The world faiths are based on the LIVING WORD of God, they have
shown over centuries their capacity for renewal and revival.

They are INFLUENCED by one anotehr, slowly and reluctantly,
but EVENTIALLY.

Every existing faith resists the new revelation, but ends up
absorbing its radical new ideas. Modern Judaism is not
the orthodox faith of Moses time, it is profoundly influenced
by developments in Christianity and Islam.

An example of Progressive Revelation in history:

Islam declared the Unity of Religion:

# "And argue not with the People of the Scripture
# unless it be in ( a way) that is better,
# save with such of them as do wrong;
# and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us
# and revealed unto you;
# our God and your God is One,
# and unto Him we surrender."
#
# - The Qu'ran Sura 29 verse 46

For 600 years, Christian *Political* leaders rejected this
and declared them 'infidels', out of ignorance, and fear
of their rapid success, spreading like wildfire.

But the west absorbed all the flowers of Islamic civilisation,
which were injected into Europe and triggered the end of the
Dark Ages with a new Enlightenment.

It was not only the Greek classical world, preserved, studied and
elaborated by Islamic scholars while it had been largely lost
in Europe, but dazzling new science, music, medicine..
Al Gibra (algebra), El Oud (the Lute and the troubadour tradition),
street lighting, surgical instruments, the BLood Stream,
Rules of war, Chivalry.. etc etc etc

And now, in the age which has been declared by the latest world religion
to be the time of Religious Unity.. what happens.?? a new radical
Rapprochement by the Church, unbelievable for SIX CENTURIES;

At vatican II, after 14 centuries of denying it,
The Christian Church admitted what Islam had told it,
they both worship the ONE God!

# "DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH
# TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
#
# NOSTRA AETATE
#
# PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
# ...
# 3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems.
# They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself;
# merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5)
# who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to
# even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith
# of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God."


The most recent world religion proclaimed the Emancipation
of women in the MID 1800's. Since then that spirit has flowed
through EVERY FAITH, reforming and renewing it, and flooded
into the secular world bringing about a GLOBAL REVOLUTION.

"You may kill me, if you wish, but you cannot
stop the Emancipation of Women."
- Tahireh, Persia, Mid 19th Century

In the midst of a Veiled society where the men still carried swords,
she tore off her veil, and boldly declared the inevitable
emancipation of women. Not predicted it, declared it was the Will of
God for this Era.


And you know, she seems to have been right. ;-)

"As long as women are prevented from attaining their
highest possibilities, so long will men be unable
to achieve the greatness which might be theirs."

(Abdu'l-Baha, Paris Talks, p. 132)

My wife and I were married in a Uniting Church with a female
Minister. Personally I no longer see a need for clergy, but
it demonstrates a Signh of the Religious Times. ;-)

The Catholic Church in the West cannot find enough young men
to become priests, the options are, Import them from the
Developing world, ordain Women 8^o , or abandon the priesthood! 8^o

What WOULD Jesus do? B^)

By the time the Clergy makes up it's mind it will all be over,
women in the Church are already the Backbone, doing most
of the work, (just as they do in the home ;-)


Religion is the inevitable vector for social change,
all through history. The most successful meme in history! B^D

Atheism has been a catastrophic disaster in every
society that has made the mistake of thinking they
can ignore all human wisdom and roll their own Utopia.

BOfL

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Some are evolved enough to make choices. Transcend has more
connotations than just 'mysterious mystical'.

If it was to do only with yet another 'binary',in this instance,
nurture or nature, then we would all be wilderbeasts or soldier ants.,
although there are many humans who still havnt totally evolved from
such 'spirit'.

BOfL

BOfL

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The pendulum is always swinging, and there are always some who appear
to be 'pushing it'.

We have had a millennium of patriarchy, and we have now entered one of
matriarchy.

This only 'appears' to be gender based, hence all the confusion
regarding hetero/homo.

Feminine is not female, no more than masculine is male. Mdme Thatcher
was a good lesson from the last period, to open up this new
understanding (together with dear old Ronnie of course...balance in
all things).

Obama is the epitome of the feminine energy.

BOfL

Mike Painter

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Hope for the Heartless wrote:
<snip>

>
>> If Christianity, Judaism, and many Muslims, have mellowed in their
>> attitude to women, it is probably mainly because of outside
>> civilising influences, than anything inherent in their own
>> orthodoxy. Back to Fundamentalism? We trust not.
>
> Agreed.

Money and education will take care of it over time.

As I've suggested before we should do in Iraq and Afganistan what Art Hoppe
wanted to do in Vietnam. It was a safe and cheap solution.
B-36's blanket the entire nation.

With Sears-Roebuck catalogs.
The evil pinko commies can order anything and it will be delivered and set
up for them at no charge.
Turn them all into consimers.


Steve Knight

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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:36:54 +0200, "Firnando"
<geovani_t...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Women's liberation through Islam

It looks like Firnando is nothing but hot air. He hasn't responded
to a single atheist post or even attempted to challenge anything we
say.

He only makes statements and can't back up with what he says because
his only ability is to play the Sock Puppet without a trace of
intellect.

Pretty laughable that all superstitions follow the same mind fuck
method.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Enkidu

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Steve Knight wrote:

> It looks like Firnando is nothing but hot air.

He's less than that . . . hot air can raise a balloon. Firnando isn't
even wrong, he's giberish.

--
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

"The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers."
-- Denis Diderot

Syd

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On Oct 9, 3:36 pm, "Firnando" <geovani_the_ital...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Women's liberation through Islam
>

You misspelled 'oppression', Muslim Thug.

PDW

Topaz

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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:36:35 -0700 (PDT), BOfL <bigfl...@gmail.com>
wrote:


>
>The pendulum is always swinging, and there are always some who appear
>to be 'pushing it'.
>
>We have had a millennium of patriarchy, and we have now entered one of
>matriarchy.
>
>This only 'appears' to be gender based, hence all the confusion
>regarding hetero/homo.
>
>Feminine is not female, no more than masculine is male.


Here are some quotes from Brain Sex, the Real Difference between men
and women
By Anne Moir And David Jessel

They are equal only in their common membership of the species,
humankind. To maintain that they are the same in aptitude, skill or
behavior is to build a society based on a biological and scientific
lie.

The sexes are different because their brains are different. The brain,
the chief administrative and emotional organ of life, is differently
constructed in men and in women; it processes information in a
different way, which results in different perceptions, priorities and
behavior.

Until recently, behavior differences between the sexes have been
explained away by social conditioning - the expectations of parents,
whose own attitudes, in turn, reflect the expectations of society;
little boys are told that they shouldn't cry, and that the way to the
top depends on masculine assertion and aggression. Scant attention was
paid to the biological view that we may be what we are because of the
way we are made. Today, there is too much new biological evidence for
the sociological argument to prevail.

The biggest behavioral difference between men and women is the
natural, innate aggression of men, which explains to a large degree
their historical dominance of the species. Men didn't learn aggression
as one the tactics of the sex war. We do not teach our boy children to
be aggressive - indeed, we try vainly to unteach it. Even researchers
most hostile to the acknowledgement of sex differences agree that this
is a male feature, and one which cannot be explained away by social
conditioning.

There has seldom been a greater divide between what intelligent,
enlightened opinion presumes - that men and women have the same brain
- and what science knows - that they do not.

It cannot be stressed often enough that this book concerns itself
with the average man and the average woman.

The area where the biggest differences have been found lies in what
scientists call 'spatial ability'. That's being able to picture
things, their shape, position, geography and proportion, accurately in
the mind's eye - all skills that are crucial to the practical ability
to work with three-dimensional objects or drawings. One scientist who
has reviewed the extensive literature on the subject concludes, 'The
fact of the male's superiority in spatial ability is not in dispute'.
It is confirmed by literally hundreds of different scientific studies.

99 per cent of all patents applied for today are registered by men.

Scientists know that they walk on social eggshells when they venture
any theory about human behavior. But researchers into sex differences
are increasingly impatient with the polite attempt to find a social
explanation for these differences. As Camilla Benbow now says now says
of her studies showing male superiority in mathematically gifted
children, 'After 15 years looking for an environmental explanation and
getting zero results, I gave up.' She readily admitted to us her
belief that the difference in ability has a biological basis.

The differences are apparent in the very first hours after birth. It
has been shown that girl babies are much more interested than boys in
people and faces; the boys seem just as happy with an object dangled
in front of them.

Embryonic boy babies are exposed to a colossal dose of male hormone at
the critical time when their brains are beginning to take shape.

The brains of male and female mammals, from rodents to primates,
exhibiting hormonally mediated differences in neuro-transmitter
levels, neural connections, and cell and nuclear volume, strongly
suggests that similar sexual dimorphism of structure and function
exists human brains as well.

In women the functional division between the left and the right sides
of the brain is less clearly defined. Both the left and the right
sides of the female brain are involved in verbal and visual abilities.
Men's brains are more specialized.
The left side of the brain is almost exclusively set aside for the
control or verbal abilities, the right side for visual.

And the latest research had shown that the more connections people
have between the left and right hemispheres, the more articulate and
fluent they are. The finding provides a further explanation for
women's verbal dexterity. But could the corpus callosum provide the
answer to another mystery, could it provide a somewhat solution to the
secret of female intuition? Is the physical capacity of a woman to
connect and relate more pieces of information than a man explained not
by witchcraft, after all, but merely by superior switchgear? Since
women are in general better at recognizing the emotional nuances in
voice, gesture and facial expression, a whole range of sensory
information. They can deduce more from such information because they
have a greater capacity than men to integrate and cross-relate verbal
and visual information.

A woman may be less able to separate emotion from reason because of
the way the female brain is organized. The female brain has emotional
capacities on both sides of the brain, plus there is more information
exchanged between the two sides of the brain. The emotional side is
more integrated with the verbal side of the brain.

These discernible, measurable differences in behavior have been
imprinted long before external influences have had a chance to work.
They reflect a basic difference in the newborn brain which we already
know about - the superior male efficiency in spatial ability, the
greater female skill in speech.

Boys want to explore areas, spaces and things because their brain bias
predisposes them to these aspects of the environment. Girls like to
talk and to listen because that is what their brains are better
designed to do.

Even in the Israeli kibbutz, where deliberate attempts have been made
to play down the differences between boys and girls, and where the
engineered society proclaims a virtual interchangeability of the
sexes, it was found that in all age groups, while girls cooperated,
shared and acted affectionately, boys engaged in more acts of conflict
such as seizing other children's toys.

The manifestation of masculine behavior in otherwise fully female
women is a much-debated subject. There are, however, clinical findings
which point the way to a possible explanation. Most of them concern
women who have been exposed to an abnormal level of male hormone in
the womb during the critical period of brain development.

The pursuit of power is overwhelmingly and universally a male trait.

On the math part of tests, boys do significantly better, and the
success ratio of boys to girls increases with the level of difficulty.
On a score of 420+ out of a possible 800, boys beat girls 1.5 : 1. At
500+, the ratio is more than 2 : 1. At 600+ it is over 4 : 1. At the
highest range, of 700+ the ratio is 13 : 1.

Greater freedom of expression has led to a greater awareness of our
differences.. how long will it be before we revert to type, how long
before those same magazines are talking of the New Romanticism - 'At
Last, We Can be Feminine Again' - or running features on the 'Return
of the Macho'?

Diversity is a biological fact, while equality is a political,
ethical, and social precept.

Liberation condemns the sexual double standard - why should sex
outside of marriage be 'all right' for men, all wrong for women? The
standards are indeed double, in that an extra-marital affair does mean
different things, and has a different level of importance, for men and
women. 'It didn't mean anything', mutters the man, when his
indiscretion is revealed - and it almost certainly didn't. He says
that he loves her just as much as ever, and he probably does. But the
wife sees his affair as an assault on what is to her most precious -
intimacy and fidelity. If she were to embark on an affair, you can
bet that is would 'mean' a lot to her. She cannot forgive him; for she
cannot even understand him. Their brains and their hormones have made
them strangers to one another.

The difference between the attitude and proficiency of men and women
as parents again reflects those basic differences of the brain. In
this most intimate of relationships, between parent and child, it is
the mother rather than the father who is more alert to the nuance and
the non-verbal hint, more naturally responsive to a baby's needs.

The Israeli kibbutz was not designed specifically to abolish the
Jewish mother. But in these forcing-houses of social engineering,
girls and boys grew up with virtually interchangeable roles. Children
were reared communally, and the household duties of cooking and
laundry were a community, rather than a family responsibility. The
expectation was that, with the passing of several neutral generations,
sexual differentiation would evaporate, and sexist stereotyping would
become a memory as remote as slavery is to the newest generation of
America's blacks.

But that is not what happened. Three of four generations later, the
children of the kibbutz are still clinging to their traditional
roles..again looking at the experience of the Israeli kibbutzim.
Social engineers worked hard to iron out classic gender stereotypes at
an early age: 'All children are dressed in the same work-clothes..
there is no sex difference in the style of haircut' Even so.. The boys
went on to study physics and become engineers, the girls to study
sociology and become teachers. It is telling proof of what we now know
- that the minds of men and women are different, that ultimately boys
and men live in a world of things and space, girls and women in a
world of people and relationships.

Nobody gets paid without performing. Because men try harder more
often, they will, if not forcibly prevented, succeed more often than
women in attaining highly-paid positions.
Little of this is surprising in the light of what we now know about
the biological springs of aggression and dominance.

Just as there are physical dissimilarities between males and females
(size, body shape, skeleton, teeth, age of puberty, etc.) there are
equally dramatic differences in brain functioning.

There is solid and consistent evidence from scientists all over the
world that a biochemical influence in the womb determines and directs
the structure and function or our brains. Through the influence of the
hormones the brain cells 'acquire a "set".. highly resistant to change
after birth'. Male hormone organizes the developing brain into a male
pattern which leads to male behavior. Absence of the male hormone
means that the brain persists in a female pattern, resulting in a
female pattern of behavior. This organization of the brain into a male
or female neural network is permanent; it can only be modified by
altering the hormonal milieu of the womb.

We can hope for an end to the slogans, for slogans do not change
facts, and an end to the sterile pursuit of artificial equality; an
abandonment of the arduous and unnatural process of denial and ,
instead, the enjoyment of our natural selves; the greening of a new
relationship between men and women; a celebration of the difference.


> Mdme Thatcher
>was a good lesson from the last period, to open up this new
>understanding (together with dear old Ronnie of course...balance in
>all things).
>
>Obama is the epitome of the feminine energy.
>
>BOfL

http://www.ihr.org/ www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/

Puck Greenman

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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:02:04 -0700 (PDT), BOfL <bigfl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 10, 10:16�am, Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:36:54 +0200, "Firnando"


>>
>> <geovani_the_ital...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >Women's liberation through Islam
>>

>> � �Why does your bleat resemble almost exactly the words of communist
>> re-education camps? That whole, 'you didn't know you were wrong but I
>> can help you change'.
>>
>> Warlord Steve
>> BAAWA
>
>Cultures still at the 'sheep' mentality, also breed shepherds,
>fulfilling
>mutual needs.
>
>BOfL

Yeeeesss, BOfl can fuck till his heart's content, and the sheep thinks she has got the
longest lasting ram, in history.


...A whole thirty seconds.

fasgnadh

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Oct 11, 2009, 7:33:11 AM10/11/09
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Steve Knight wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:36:54 +0200, "Firnando"
> <geovani_t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Firnando wrote:
>> Women's liberation through Islam
>>
>> Today people think that women are liberated in the West and that the women's
>> liberation movement began in the 20th century. Actually, the women's
>> liberation movement was not begun by women but was revealed by Allaah (God)
>> to a man in the seventh century by the name of Muhammad . The Quran and the
>> Traditions of the Prophet are the sources from which every Muslim woman
>> derives her rights and duties.
>>
>> Human Rights:
>>
>> Islam, fourteen centuries ago, made women equally accountable to Allaah in
>> glorifying and worshipping Him - setting no limits on her moral progress.
>> Also, Islam established a woman's equality in her humanity with men.
>>
>> In the first verse of the chapter entitled "Women", Allaah Says (what
>> means):"O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single
>> person (Aadam), and from him (Aadam) He created his wife [Hawwaa (Eve)], and
>> from them both, He created many men and women and fear Allaah through Whom
>> you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs
>> (kinship). Surely, Allaah is Ever an All-Watcher over you." [Quran 4:1]
>>
>> Since men and women both came from the same essence, they are equal in their
>> humanity. Women cannot be by nature evil (as some religions believes) or
>> then men would be evil also. Similarly, neither sex can be superior because
>> it would be a contradiction of equality. Allaah Says (which means): "O
>> mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into
>> nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most
>> honorable of you with Allaah is that (believer) who is the most pious of
>> you. Verily, Allaah is All-Knowing, All-Aware." [Quran 49:13]
>>
>> Allaah also Says (what means): "Verily, the Muslims men and women, the
>> believers men and women, the men and women who are obedient (to Allaah), the
>> men and women who are truthful (in their speech and deeds), the men and
>> women who are humble (before their Lord), the men and women who give
>> charity, the men and women who observe fasting, the men and women who guard
>> their chastity (from illegal sexual acts), and the men and women who
>> remember Allaah much with their hearts and tongues. Allaah has prepared for
>> them forgiveness and a great reward (i.e. Paradise)." [Quran 33:35]
>>
>> Civil Rights:
>>
>> In Islam, a woman has the basic freedom of choice and expression based on
>> recognition of her individual personality. First, the non-Muslim woman (from
>> the people of the Book) is free to maintain her religion. Allaah Says (what
>> means):"There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right path has been
>> made distinct from wrong path.� [Quran 2:256]
>>
>> Women are encouraged in Islam to contribute their opinions and ideas. There
>> are many traditions of the Prophet which indicate women would pose
>> questions directly to him and offer their opinions concerning religion,
>> economics and social matters.
>>
>> A Muslim woman chooses her husband and keeps her family name after marriage.
>> A Muslim woman's testimony is valid in legal disputes. In fact, in areas in
>> which women are more familiar, their evidence is conclusive.
>>
>> Social Rights
>>
>> The Prophet said: "Seeking knowledge is a mandate for every Muslim (male
>> and female)." [Ibn Maajah] This includes knowledge of the Quran and the
>> Hadeeth as well as other religious knowledge. Men and women both have the
>> capacity for learning and understanding. Since it is also their obligation
>> to promote good behavior and condemn bad behavior in all spheres of life,
>> Muslim women must acquire the appropriate Islamic education to perform this
>> duty in accordance with their own natural talents and interests.
>>
>> While maintenance of a home, providing support to her husband, and bearing,
>> raising and teaching of children are among the first and very highly
>> regarded roles for a woman, if she has the skills to work outside the home
>> for the good of the community, she may do so (if she has to) as long as her
>> family obligations are met, and as long as there is no intermingling between
>> her and men in the work place.
>>
>> Islam recognizes and fosters the natural differences between men and women
>> despite their equality. Some types of work are more suitable for men and
>> other types for women. This, in no way, diminishes either's effort nor
>> benefit. Allaah will reward both sexes equally for the value of their work,
>> though it may not necessarily be the same activity.
>>
>> The success of a society can be traced to the mothers. The first and
>> greatest influence on a person comes from the sense of security, affection,
>> and training received from the mother. Therefore, a woman having children
>> must be educated and conscientious in order to be a skillful parent.
>>
>>
>> http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive/article.php?lang=E&id=135508
>>
>
>
> It looks like Firnando is nothing but hot air.

Looks like he saw that none of you could understand what he said,
let alone respond rationally, and he shook the dust off his sandles and
moved on.

Why don't you have a little cry.. 8...( you usually do.

he's left another documented episode of rabid,
knuckle-dragging atheists completely failing to
engage with a topic in any rational manner.

I got a good laugh from watching you all project your fantasy
stereotypes, usually the EXACT opposite of what he was saying,
and then beat up your own straw-men! B^D

Priceless


> He hasn't responded to a single atheist post

they were all full of shit, and none of them
responded to a single point he made, or even attempted
to refute his argument.

You weak anti-intellectual mental midgets never
laid a glove on his post.. he made you look like
what you all are.. moral defectives and mental incompetents.

> or even attempted to challenge anything we say.

Nothing worth challenging, just a lot of prolix
ranting and irrelevant, u8nfounded OPINIONS! B^D

>
> He only makes statements and can't back up with what he says

None of his statements about what the Qur'an teaches were
CHALLENGED by any of you dimwitted atheists! B^D

Unlike you knuckle dragging ignorant illiterates, I have read the
Qur'an, and he has a soundf understanding of it.


> because his only ability is to

run rings around you by demonstrating his knowledge, and then
let you all demonstrate your idnorance, prejudice, hatred and bigotry.


No wonder Islam is growing faster than atheism! B^D

What's next for you, loser?


> follow the same mind fuck

you have your head in the position already I see,

http://data5.blog.de/media/481/2584481_bdc195fac4_m.jpeg

just waiting for Virgil to join you.


ex-
> Warlord Steve
> BAAWA


Boring and Annoyingly Whining Athei-Sith


You were a real disappointment for Panama Fraud...

after he pleaded for the Usenet Kooks to provide
reinforcement and I melted Barb Lardarse down
for soap, you were his last chance... now he's
opened his wrists in despair.

Do you need to borrow his blade? B^]

Warlord Magik8

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Oct 12, 2009, 4:33:59 AM10/12/09
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Virgil wrote:

> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Steve Knight wrote:
>>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:29:40 -0500, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
>>> wrote:

>>>
>>>> "Firnando" wrote:
>>>>> Islam, fourteen centuries ago, made women equally
>>>>> accountable to Allah in glorifying and worshipping Him

>>>>> - setting no limits on her moral progress.
>>>>> Also, Islam established a woman's equality in her
>>>>> humanity with men.
>>>>
>>>> Why, then, do certain Islamic nations require women to wear a Burka
>>>> in public?

Indonesia, 200,000,000 Muslims, no Burkas.

Why do Islamophobic bigots criticise ALL myslims for the actions
of a tiny, ATYPICAL, FEW???

Just like Nazis did with their anti-semitic propaganda!

>> Why did some atheist states make everyone wear Mao suits?
>>
>> http://www.thearchetypalconnection.com/images/RedGuardsLow.JPG
>>
>> Talk about BORING! B^D
>>
>> Cultural stupidity.
>>
>> The worlds largest Muslim Nation is our neighbour,
>> 200,000,000 Muslims, and not a burka to be seen anywhere.
>>
>> That's because it is not mentioned in the Qur'an, you dimwit!
>>

Firnando tried to educate them, but like the Nazis, they
are too full of BLIND HATE to listen!

>> Try again to create some stereotype based on a MINOROTY behaviour,
>> because you have almost got your imitation of Nazism working...
>> you just have to complete the transition from the 'Dirty Jew'
>> propaganda to the 'Dirty Muslim' version.
>>
>> Its the same stereotyping based on ATYPICAL behaviour shit as
>> the Nazis used, just from a different arsehole, an atheist
>> bigot insted of an anti-semitic one.
>>
>>>> Have you ever seen a woman in a bikini?
>>
>> Yes, and unlike you I have seen one out of it as well! B^]
>>
>> Do you have a point except the one on top of your head?
>>
>>
>>> Nature/evolution... call it what you want.
>>
>> You can't tell the difference between them? 8^o
>>
>>
>>> The animal system is in
>>> place and has existed from day one of our climb to sentience. Man,
>>> woman and reproduction of the species. We exist to do one thing,
>>> reproduce. We are wired genetically to do this one thing.
>>> It's mental and physical.
>>> We will try to reproduce even in the face of it killing
>>> us.
>>
>> Your world view is astonishingly limited.
>>
>> You see yourself as no more than a rutting animal.
>>
>> Sad really.
>>
>> That explains why some of you worship other animals you
>> regard as superior to you.. in your case, they probably are! B^D
>>
>> Atheists openly admit Animal worship
>>
>> # Subject: Re: Atheist vs Theist Pet Poll
>> # From: Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com>
>> # Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:21:07 -0700 (PDT)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <94d8a483-13cd-4aa7...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> # On Oct 2, 4:19=A0pm, SkyEyes wrote:
>> # > On Oct 1, 6:36=A0pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> # >>> Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote
>> # >
>> # >>>> I know this is probably silly
>> # >>
>> # >> only true atheists have cats and only true cats have atheists.
>> # >
>> # > Cats choose atheists
>> # >
>> # > an atheist, being a non- practitioner of religion, will not
>> # > waste her/his worship on any being *other than* the cat.
>> # >


>> # > a cat *is the closest things to a Superior Being

>> #
>> # Beautifully put. This is quotable material. :-)
>> #
>> # Do you mind if I quote it on my other group?
>>
>> Can you really squeeze any more asinine stupidity into it? B^D
>>
>> # From: Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com>
>> # Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:16:46 -0700 (PDT)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <b966d162-63bb-4f9f...@m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> # We may worship cats but we love all kinds of animals.
>>
>> alt.sex.bestiality is probably a better NG for you.
>>
>> After all, it's prohibited in the worlds great religions,
>> but not in Atheism, eh?
>>
>>> The islamer's superstition wants to control this instinctual
>>> command.
>>
>> If you don't control your 'instinctual command' you could be
>> charged with rape. But then you are a big bad Warlord, aren't you?
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAA
>>
>>
>> > Saying the woman is dirty because 'they' make a man want to
>>
>> So WHY are YOU saying that? Because the Qur'an certainly doesn't.
>>
>> Oh well, you bigots NEVER let your ignorance stop you
>> from a good RANT!
>>
>> In fact that's your only basis for posting, your
>> incredible IGNORANCE.
>>
>>> ... fuck. They push my instinct.
>>
>> You have no self control. You see yourself as an animal, a prisoner
>> of your 'instinct' ...you regard it as a 'command' IT control YOU.
>>
>> Someone who is fully human is the master of their desires, you
>> describeyour's the other way around, controlling your behaviour.
>>
>>> Dirty bitches.
>>
>> Your misogyny is leaking out, ex-WhoreLard, ...in public.
>>
>>> How dare you make me horny!
>>
>> I make you horny?! 8^o
>> You dirty little fudge-packing cake boy! B^D
>>
>> Sorry, I'm straight, you will have to keep mating with Uncle Vic.
>>
>>> It's your fault! Not mine. Put this sack on!
>>
>> Is Uncle Vic really so ugly you will only do him with a
>> sack on his head? Is that because you don't want him
>> to see your little penis, and laugh? B^D
>>
>>
>>> To me, islamic men are not men.
>>
>> Of course, you and your boyfriend, Ben Dover,
>> think of them as bitches, we saw the photos
>> you two took with Lindy at Abu Ghraib...
>>
>> But tell us why you normally prefer atheist BrownShirtLifters..
>>
>> > They are eunuchs castrated by their belief.
>>
>> Ah, so you can feel powerful, compared to them!
>>
>> That explains your Warlord fantasy.. classic
>> small penis compensation!
>>
>> B^D Describe your encounters with male sexual partners:
>>
>> > Pitiful penis obsessed morons that haven't a clue of the true
>>> meaning of being a man.
>>
>> And your 'instincts' set you free to rut away with them,
>> and 'teach them a thing or two', eh?
>>
>> Your photos from Abu Ghraib suggest you are compensting
>> for impotence by attempting to humiliate other men.
>>
>> Your posts reveal the SAME THING!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHA!
>>
>>
>> > A man is a man when he can please a woman.
>>
>> And you are not a man when you are just having breakfast,
>> reading the paper, or sleeping? B^D
>>
>> Sounds like your 'manhood' only exists while you are wearing your
>> strap on dildo! B^)
>> Look out Uncle Vic!!! B^D
>>
>> What is your dream, if you weren't a simpering pillow biter?
>>
>>> To savor and be raptured in the feminine of a woman.
>>
>> You want to wear, and sniff, women's clothes??? 8^o
>>
>> You naughty little ex- Whorelord!
>>
>>
>> Stephanie, you sound like a clueless teenager..
>>
>> "raptured in the feminine of a woman"?
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
>>
>> You desperately need some basic Sex Ed, start with Cleese:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLKMQtfZLUw
>>
>>
>>> The bliss of being one.
>>
>> The bliss of being a woman? AH, now I see what you mean by
>> being raptured in the 'feminine' of a woman...
>>
>> You like wearing dresses and frilly panties!
>>
>> WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! You Go GIRL!!!
>>
>> Stephanie the Atheist Tranny! B^]
>>
>> Nice pastel frock, Stephanie!! B^D
>>
>> Why do you 'girls' wear push up bra's and stilettos?
>>
>>> We wear clothing in 'our' society that makes us content.
>>
>> And that pink floral frock looks LOVELY on you, Stephanie!
>>
>> We have all heard your conversations about latex.. B^]
>>
>> That's why I let you wear the Gimp suit!
>>
>> So how IS Uncle Vic in bed? who's the 'woman'?
>>
>> It's you.. isn't it!
>>
>>> What we do is none of your business.
>>
>> But you told us you are 'raptured in the feminine of a woman'
>> and enjoy 'the bliss of being one'. B^D
>>
>> So, are you just a cross-dresser, or have you had
>> the operation? 8^o
>>
>>
>>> If 'I' see a hot babe at the beach showing
>>> her stuff, I'm not going to rape her like
>> > your superstition suggests,
>>
>> You seem to be the only person talking rape.. have you entirely
>> missed the meaning of what he said or is this just the normal
>> bigotry where you nut-jobs rant about what he DIDN'T SAY, project
>> your OWN fantasies and then attack the straw man you have projected?
>>
>>> I'm gonna look, enjoy the moment and be a man.
>>
>> That's it? You can't be a man?
>>
>> Because YOU said you can't be a man unless you are pleasuring her! B^)
>>
>> "A man is a man when he can please a woman"
>>
>> You think that's done by just LOOKING at one!? B^p
>>
>> You REALLY NEED THE John Cleese Sex Ed video!!!! B^D
>>
>> It almost as funny as you pretending you know what it is
>> to be a man, and contradicting yourself completely;
>>
>> "A man is a man when he can please a woman"
>>
>> "I'm gonna look, enjoy the moment and be a man"
>>
>> Sounds like she not only missed the foreplay, but
>> ALL THREE ACTS!
>>
>> No wonder she was so frustrated
>> she came to visit me and two-time you!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAH
>>
>> Hilarious!
>>
>>
>>> Warlord Steve
>>
>> "I like to watch" - ex-Warlord Fluffy's idea of pleasing a woman
>>
>>> BAAWA
>>
>> No wonder you are always weeping, you poor impotent wanker!
>>
>>
>> You need to start with the Atheist sex ed video,
>> Cleese is too subtle four you:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyhTDsGgEfg&NR=1

Oh look, it's Virgul the Racist Bigot, come to the aid of
his boyfriend, ex_Whorelard Fluddy, the AFeist cross-dressing
Tranny!

What are you doing here, fucknuts?

> vainly trying to be articulate again!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA

A hopeless attempt, you are a witless stooge who can only manage
cheap forgeries and mindless imitation of your nemesis..

you follow him around like a little lost puppy, and he kicks
your sorry B aboon arse till it glows like Red Neon!

> Fasgnadh's impassioned defense of Islam and the the Koran could only
> come from a dedicated Muslim.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAH

So far this year you atheist Morons have accused him of
being a fundie Xtian, an agnostic, A Bahai, a Moslem,
simply becasue he exposes Atheist bigotry and opposes
your hate filled violence, bigotry and racism;

# From: Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID:
<128235a0-640d-495a...@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>
# Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
#
# On Sep 26, 5:46=A0am, Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net> wrote:
#
# > We kill theists and shit down their throats
# > and not in a girly way.
# >
# > Warlord Steve
# > BAAWA
#
# ------------------------------------------------------------------
# BAAWA Knightette (?) Applicant

Trance signs up to Kill theists and shit down their throats. 8^o


# Subject: Re: is Fasgnadh an Abo?
# From: Virgil <Vir...@home.esc>
# Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:52:51 -0600
# Message-ID: <Virgil-BB4C23....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#
# >>> If he is actually Australian, then he might be an Abo
# >>> who spent his childhood in the outback and
# >>> only came to civilization in his teens.
#
# Actually I meant an absolutely abominable aborigine,
# as black of soul as of skin.

@ Subject: aaa RAQOTM nomination - REAL Atheist Quote of the Month
@ - Abu Baker Bashir's personal ad - March 2009
@ Message-ID: <Cgrrl.24952$cu....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
@ Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:49:38 GMT
@
@
@ John Baker places a personal ad in alt.athei-Sithism:
@
@ > Suck my dick
@
@ I doubt anyone will, especially as you have just removed it
@ from Chris Lee's arse.

# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8828/theistbashing.jpg


# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
# There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"


No wonder!

--------

The Parable of the Magic 8-Ball - Warlord Overboard!

Fluffy threw a Hissy fit and asked Google to
stop people reporting what he said:


# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.

Suffering from IDD (Irony Deficit Disorder), Fluffy
complained that REPORTING WHAT HE SAID, VERBATIM,
was 'abuse'.. and it was making him very very sad,
and could someone please stop them doing it!

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Atheist Kooks: Sociopath shifts blame to others
# for their mistakes Re: A.A. Steve Knight checking in to Bellevue
# Message-ID: <1jivb5dparaegkqht...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:32:49 -0700
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# FAQ pages for alt.atheism could land you in court.
#
# I reported you to Google abuse
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p151/DarkSoul0703/thmagic8ball.jpg

Google Laughed and asked him if he would accept
Jesus in his life, because it might be the only way
he could GET ONE!

The Knights of BAAWA realised they had bought a dud,
and decided to replace Fluffy as Warlord, with a
Magic 8-Ball after tests showed it outperformed
him in leadership, intelligence and more accurately
shitting down peoples throats, and it only cost 8 bucks!

Warlord MaJik8 was Interviewed after winning the job;


a.a: "Do you have any any words for the defeated ex-Warlord?"

MaJik8:


http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/adholmes0428/My%20Stuff/Magic8BallSays.jpg

a.a: "And what do you see as the future for alt.atheism
and atheism worldwide?"

MaJik8
http://blogs.netapp.com/exposed/WindowsLiveWriter/magic-8-ball-3.jpg

Refusing to accept that it was all over for him -Ex Warlord Fluffy
made a desperate attempt to hang on to power;


http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll110/ashwu_xoxo/Halloween2008/IMG_2259.jpg


Warlord MaJik8 was devastating in his assessment:


http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u31/DunadanLord/magic8ballsaysyoureone.jpg

Fluffy went out asking if the Blind Cricketer was still around because
he wanted to get far away, as quickly as he could.... ;-)

See "Fluffy leaves the Field":

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

Warlord Magik8

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Oct 12, 2009, 5:28:11 AM10/12/09
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Steve Knight wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:29:40 -0500, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
> wrote:
>> Firnando wrote:
>>> Women's liberation through Islam
>>>
>>> Today people think that women are liberated in the West and that the women's
>>> liberation movement began in the 20th century. Actually, the women's
>>> liberation movement was not begun by women but was revealed by Allaah (God)
>>> to a man in the seventh century by the name of Muhammad . The Quran and the
>>> Traditions of the Prophet are the sources from which every Muslim woman
>>> derives her rights and duties.
>>>
>>> Human Rights:
>>>
>>> Islam, fourteen centuries ago, made women equally accountable to Allaah in
>>> glorifying and worshipping Him - setting no limits on her moral progress.
>>> Also, Islam established a woman's equality in her humanity with men.
>>>


"The worlds 1.57 billion Muslims make up almost a quarter
of the global population, with most of them clustered in Asia."

Most stereotyping is based on M.E. states which are the product
of Western Colonialism (in pursuit of Arab oil) run by tyrants
in bed with the West.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2942/bushoil.jpg

"Only one in five of the world's Muslims lives in the Middle East
and North Africa, according to a study by the PEW Forum on Religion
and Public Life. Indonesia has the largest number of Muslims - almost
203 million."

Now, given that the atheist regimes of the 20th Century were all
massivbe failures, killing over 60,000,000 people in just 7 decades..
how do the remaining rump of the great Atheist Tyrannies go about
Making Friends and Influencing People? They abuse 25% of the planet
based on the behaviour of a tiny minority, less than 1% 8^o

This is the Evil doctrine of Collective Responsibility practised
by Atheist hatemongers and BIGOTS:


>> Why, then, do certain Islamic nations require women to wear a Burka in

>> public? Do men wear the same garment? No? Then FUCK your idea of
>> equality.


Indonesia, 200,000,000 Muslims, no Burkas.

Why do Islamophobic bigots criticise ALL myslims for the actions
of a tiny, ATYPICAL, FEW???

Just like Nazis did with their anti-semitic propaganda!

Why did some atheist states make everyone wear Mao suits?

http://www.thearchetypalconnection.com/images/RedGuardsLow.JPG

Talk about BORING! B^D

Cultural stupidity.

The worlds largest Muslim Nation is our neighbour,
200,000,000 Muslims, and not a burka to be seen anywhere.

That's because it is not mentioned in the Qur'an, you dimwit!


Firnando tried to educate them, but like the Nazis, they
are too full of BLIND HATE to listen!

Try again to create some stereotype based on a MINOROTY behaviour,
because you have almost got your imitation of Nazism working...
you just have to complete the transition from the 'Dirty Jew'
propaganda to the 'Dirty Muslim' version.

Its the same stereotyping based on ATYPICAL behaviour shit as
the Nazis used, just from a different arsehole, an atheist
bigot insted of an anti-semitic one.

>> Have you ever seen a woman in a bikini?

Yes, and unlike you I have seen one out of it as well! B^]

Do you have a point except the one on top of your head?

>> I'm guessing it would make you rise to the occasion.

I read his post and it was measured and rational,
you on the other hand appear to be a a hate-filled
atheist bigot who has nothing to offer but ad hom and
mindless abuse;

>> A trip to a USA beach in the summer could satisfy
>> your sexual needs for years to come, no pun intended.
>>
>> A visit to a nude beach like Black's in San Diego, would probably kill
>> you.
>>
>> You poor fucker.

What moral defective! pffft!


> Nature/evolution... call it what you want.

You can't tell the difference between them? 8^o

> The animal system is in place

In Atheist NTh Korea is certainly is! They LIVE like animals, they
even have to EAT GRASS!

>>> and has existed from day one of our climb to sentience.

Face it, you atheists haven't completed the climb! B^D


> Man,woman and reproduction of the species.

That's about all adolescents and atheists think life is! pfft!

> We exist to do one thing, reproduce.

And you have how many children, 'Whorelord' Steve? B^D


# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.

#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

There is NO DOUBT about YOUR animalistic nature;


http://memegenerator.net/Instances/899/Insanity-Wolf-RIP-OFF-YOUR-HEAD-SHIT-DOWN-YOUR-THROAT.jpg

>We are wired genetically to do this one thing.

You are a genetic throwback, an evolutionary Dead-End.

>>> We will try to reproduce even in the face of it killing
>>> us.


You must really hate it when you get knotted (tied) while rutting! B^D

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb222/marylandsunshine1954/graphics/pics_group-dog-sex.jpg

Sad really.

You talk about Killing people and 'Shitting down their neck',
and then call his RATIONAL post 'superstition??

pfffft!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAA

> Dirty bitches.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHA!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLKMQtfZLUw

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! You Go, ..GIRL!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAH

Hilarious!


> Warlord Steve

> BAAWA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyhTDsGgEfg&NR=1


Examples of Atheist bigotry, hate filled violence,
psycho-sexual sickness and racism;

yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)

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Oct 12, 2009, 7:33:09 AM10/12/09
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On 2009-10-12, Warlord Magik8 <MaJ...@delphic.oracle> wrote:

> Indonesia, 200,000,000 Muslims, no Burkas.

These two apparently disagree ..

<http://www.insideindonesia.org/content/view/15/29/>

And ..

'In Indonesia, some groups support us, but some radical groups oppose
what we are trying to achieve. They accuse me, accuse feminist Muslims,
of being infidels, of wanting to damage Islamic affairs.'
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7689897.stm>

And ..

<http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_adul1.htm>

.. and so on.

> Why do Islamophobic bigots criticise ALL myslims for the actions
> of a tiny, ATYPICAL, FEW???

'and the men are a degree above them [women]'
Qur'an (2:228)

That looks very much like an excerpt from your 'holy book'.

Or maybe people criticise Islam because despite your claims that 'it's a
minority', we've yet to see any criticism from 'mainstream' Islam
concerning the savagery visited upon the world by your phoney religion.
Maybe it also has something to do with the opinion polls that consistently
show a clear majority of Muslims as being in favour of suicide attacks to
'eliminate the Zionist entity'.

When you people stop supporting the murder of innocent men, women and
children for the 'crime' of being Jewish, maybe then the world will look on
your savage, warlike and brutal cult somewhat more favourably.

Y.

--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
AADP's 'left-wing Israeli intellectual'
'Many of the Europeans who want Israel to go away don't even know why
they do. Nearly a third of those interviewed concede they have no idea
what the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is all about. It's enough to know
that Israelis are Jews' (Suzanne Fields)

Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF

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Oct 15, 2009, 10:17:33 AM10/15/09
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Lee wrote:
> "Firnando" <geovani_t...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hanvtk$o84$1...@aioe.org...

>> Women's liberation through Islam
>
> Is this some kind of contest to see who can slip the best oxymoron into
> a post without anyone noticing?

Looks like it.

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"By 1990, no child will live in poverty"
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"A billion trees ..."
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"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB CUNT!"
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