Definition of a Bigot
bd4u.utah
difficulty seeing beyond themselves. As opposed to someone
who has no difficulty seeing beyond themselves, and is simply
sure of themselves. It's all a matter of personal perspective or
view (vision) of the world we all must live in.
bd4u
IbeDavid
What a Bigot is NOT : A person who takes a stand for that which is
righteous, moral, and non-deviant who rubs a Wrong-doer up the
wrong way.
haiku jones
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When and where I grew up. many a person
took a stand for what they strongly felt
to be righteous, moral and decent -- often
backing up their stance with quotes from
the Bible.
What righteous, moral, and non-deviant
principle were these good Christians
standing up for? In the words of
the governor of a state adjacent
to mine: "SEGREGATION TODAY!
SEGREGATION TOMORROW!
SEGREGATION FOREVER!"
haiku
Don Martin
What a Bigot IS : A person who takes a stand for that which, in his
own mind, is
righteous, moral, and non-deviant.
John Manning
From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Definition of BIGOT
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her
own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats
the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred
and intolerance
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot
World English Dictionary
bigot — n: a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or
her own, esp on religion, politics, or race
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigot
John Manning
Alabama’s new Republican governor, Robert Bentley, offers up a
message of tolerance and inclusion for Martin Luther King Day:
”I was elected as a Republican candidate. But once I became
governor … I became the governor of all the people. I intend to
live up to that. I am color blind,” Bentley said in a short speech
given about an hour after he took the oath of office as governor.
So far, so good! Very appropriate for the occasion. But then…
“There may be some people here today who do not have living within
them the Holy Spirit,” Bentley said. ”But if you have been adopted
in God’s family like I have, and like you have if you’re a
Christian and if you’re saved, and the Holy Spirit lives within you
just like the Holy Spirit lives within me, then you know what that
makes? It makes you and me brothers. And it makes you and me
brother and sister.”
Bentley added, ”Now I will have to say that, if we don’t have the
same daddy, we’re not brothers and sisters.
"So anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their
savior, I’m telling you, you’re not my brother and you’re not my
sister, and I want to be your brother."
Well, I’m sure all the Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists
and atheists in Alabama were really thrilled to hear that he
only considers Christians to be family… but he really wants them
to convert so they can be his brothers and sisters too! Why,
that sounds almost exactly the same as what Reverend King said in
his I Have A Dream speech:
I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious
racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words
of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama,
little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with
little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
Sure, he forgot to mention that the little black boys and girls and
the little white boys and girls are all Christians, but it’s
totally implied!
I would be remiss to leave out this awesome attempt at damage control:
Bentley’s communications director, Rebekah Caldwell Mason, when
asked about Bentley’s comments said, ”He is the governor of all the
people, Christians, non-Christians alike.”
Well, yeah, that’s kind of the job, isn’t it? But there’s an awful
lot of daylight between “governor” and “brother,” and it’s awfully
hard to imagine that that’s going to mollify very many of
Bentley’s heathen non-brothers and non-sisters.
This is one of the biggest reasons why the religious right is
so infuriating: their sense of compassion is ridiculously narrow.
If you’re a self-sufficient member of the tribe in good
standing, they’re there for you. But if you’re an outsider, or even
a fellow Christian conservative who doesn’t have a decent job
(or any job) and can’t afford health insurance or a quality school
for your kids… well, the Lord had better provide, because their
vision of government won’t.
http://firedoglake.com/2011/01/18/christian-compassion-republican-style/
bd4u.utah
When oh when will Christians lose their self
importance that they can't see beyond
their own religion?
Why are you putting "words" into Dr Kings Mouth?
Are not ALL people EVERY where your brothers and sisters
under the one TRUE GOD? If not, then your god is not my god.
Cause my God doesn't discriminate like you do!
bd4u
Mr President
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dr king is known for civil rights.
Nobama is the antithesis of king, apparently wanting to continue
violating mine in front of the whole world.
bd4u.utah
You feel that impotent about yourself do you?
First people blamed Bush Sr, then they blamed Bush Jr, now without
anybody else to blame they blame Obama.
When you point a finger at somebody take a look at your hand.
1 finger points at who you are blaming, and 3 fingers are pointing
back at you!
bd4u
Mr President
So in your delusional mind, having ones rights violated equates to
being impotent.
Care to elaborate on that for the psychiatrists?
bd4u.utah
Remember what I was saying about "it only takes one bad apple"?
Well yer No 1 in the Mormon group.
bd4u
Mr President
Yep look around the world from people listening to your next plan ...
bd4u.utah
Yer what happens to Bigots when they run out of friends. They start
making them up! Mr MPD..
bd4u
Mr President
And none shall help him ...
raven1
<quar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dr king is known for civil rights.
>> > Nobama is the antithesis of king, apparently wanting to continue
>> > violating mine in front of the whole world.
>>
>> You feel that impotent about yourself do you?
>
>So in your delusional mind, having ones rights violated equates to
>being impotent.
>
>Care to elaborate on that for the psychiatrists?
Care to elaborate for the readers what civil rights of yours Obama is
violating?
Mr President
> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:03:00 -0800 (PST), Mr President
>
> >> > Dr king is known for civil rights.
> >> > Nobama is the antithesis of king, apparently wanting to continue
> >> > violating mine in front of the whole world.
>
> >> You feel that impotent about yourself do you?
>
> >So in your delusional mind, having ones rights violated equates to
> >being impotent.
>
> >Care to elaborate on that for the psychiatrists?
>
> Care to elaborate for the readers what civil rights of yours Obama is
> violating?
All of them.
Don Martin
When the existence of that one TRUE GOD is demonstrated, I shall go
along with this. Until that time, I grant sisterhood and brotherhood
to persons on the basis of their merit. Those seeking my condemnation
to hell (another unevidenced entity) utterly lack merit.
GOD
> On Jan 19, 12:55 pm, "bd4u.utah" <bd4u.u...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 19, 10:18 am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> > Are not ALL people EVERY where your brothers and sisters
> > under the one TRUE GOD?
>
> When the existence of that one TRUE GOD is demonstrated, I shall go
> along with this.
Sure.
You were created in his image.
He is sitting up there on his white horse.
Either this judge grants my petition and he will come down here,
or he will reap you all for your disobedience to GODs commands.
John Manning
Bigotry is alive and well in fringe Christian Right America.
GOD
You are the biggest anti mormon that exists.
That makes you a bigot.
GOD
>
> >> > Dr king is known for civil rights.
> >> > Nobama is the antithesis of king, apparently wanting to continue
> >> > violating mine in front of the whole world.
>
> >> You feel that impotent about yourself do you?
>
> >So in your delusional mind, having ones rights violated equates to
> >being impotent.
>
> >Care to elaborate on that for the psychiatrists?
>
> Care to elaborate for the readers what civil rights of yours Obama is
> violating?
I never said he was violated them, only that he is in favor of
continuing the violation.
GOD
I didn't think you could detail that.
You are definitely one for a rubber room.
bd4u.utah
There are Bigots EVERY where in EVERY group of people.
It's how they stay alive, it's how they survive as the "bad apple".
in the bunch. Christians have more than their fair share.
bd4u
bd4u.utah
This started as as simple Definition of a Bigot.
Do you see how many of them jumped up
and started hollaring?
bd4u
Don Martin
Any evidence for all this? Or just more pious bullshit from your
squalid corner?
bd4u.utah
> On Jan 19, 12:55 pm, "bd4u.utah" <bd4u.u...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 19, 10:18 am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> > Are not ALL people EVERY where your brothers and sisters
> > under the one TRUE GOD?
>
> When the existence of that one TRUE GOD is demonstrated, I shall go
> along with this.
Well if you are waiting for a Christian to demonstrate it to
you, don't hold your breath. You would be better off asking
a Jew or a Hindu.
> Until that time, I grant sisterhood and brotherhood
> to persons on the basis of their merit. Those seeking my condemnation
> to hell (another unevidenced entity) utterly lack merit.
Christianity is the only religion to
profess the existence of Hell, most everyone
else knows better..
bd4u
raven1
In what way is he doing this, may I ask?
raven1
wrote:
In what way are your civil rights being violated?
bd4u.utah
On the subject of "HELL" The Jewish and Mormon
accounts of "a dark place where you go before ascending into
the light" seem to coincide. The Jews call it "shoel" which
roughly translated means "beneath the earth" a place of
entombment before the afterlife. Or in other words "grave"
I guess somewhere in that translation is some meaning of
Hell, especially if you add Greek Mythology to it.
See that is just it, Christians are confused as to what
they actually believe, their religion is made up of so many
different beliefs. The Christmas Tree, the Easter Bunny,
Halloween, etc, etc, etc..
If you want to find out what the Mormons teach, don't
bother asking a wannabe. They have something they call
the "Institution" which teaches the real thing. Opinions
within the LDS DO vary. Mainly because of converts
from Christianity.
bd4u
Syd M.
>
> > Somebody who's self importance is so GREAT, that they have
> > difficulty seeing beyond themselves. As opposed to someone
> > who has no difficulty seeing beyond themselves, and is simply
> > sure of themselves. It's all a matter of personal perspective or
> > view (vision) of the world we all must live in.
>
> > bd4u
>
> righteous, moral, and non-deviant who rubs a Wrong-doer up the
> wrong way.
Of which, NONE of those definitions fit you, indecent, self-righteous,
immoral, and deviant Davie.
PDW
Syd M.
Speaking of bigots...
PDW
Syd M.
Wrong, bigot.
PDW
Brian E. Clark
21g2000prv.googlegroups.com>, bd4u...@gmail.com says...
> This started as as simple Definition of a Bigot.
You mean, "simple-minded", not "simple".
> Do you see how many of them jumped up
> and started hollaring?
Yes, when wicked people try to exonerate their wickedness
by means of simple-minded word games, that tends to evoke a
response. I'm sure you are used to it.
--
-----------
Brian E. Clark
Brian E. Clark
76506d...@u3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>, norman706
@gmail.com says...
>
> What a Bigot is NOT : A person who takes a stand for that which is
> righteous, moral, and non-deviant who rubs a Wrong-doer up the
> wrong way.
The majority of bigots, past and present, have tried to
hide their vile hatreds beneath the wrappings of rectitude
and divine sanction. They don't get a pass just because
they claim to be on the side of the angels.
bd4u.utah
<brianecl...@address.invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In article <9d18ebf4-a6e8-4f3b-9fee-e5e6a3932d4e@
>
> > This started as as simple Definition of a Bigot.
>
> You mean, "simple-minded", not "simple".
>
> > Do you see how many of them jumped up
> > and started hollaring?
>
> Yes, when wicked people try to exonerate their wickedness
> by means of simple-minded word games, that tends to evoke a
> response. I'm sure you are used to it.
>
> --
> -----------
> Brian E. Clark
No, I said what I meant if you want
to say something different then go
right ahead. Just don't put words
in my mouth to do it. I'm no puppet.
bd4u
PD
If I may....
Calling an individual out for being so self-important that he or she
can't imagine someone else's beliefs (or nonbeliefs) are indefensible
is perfectly acceptable.
Calling out a broad class of people attached to some label (e.g.
"Christians") and disparaging the whole group for having that trait,
is prejudicial and an act of bigotry.
There's not a lot of difference between you saying, "When oh when will
Christians lose their self importance that they can't see beyond their
own religion?" and someone else saying "When oh when will black folks
stop being so lazy and shiftless and get off welfare." Just because
you've encountered a number of people with that trait, does not give
you the right to ascribe that trait to a labeled group.
I'm sure you can see that.
bd4u.utah
<brianecl...@address.invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 21g2000prv.googlegroups.com>, bd4u.u...@gmail.com says...
>
> > This started as as simple Definition of a Bigot.
>
> You mean, "simple-minded", not "simple".
>
> > Do you see how many of them jumped up
> > and started hollaring?
>
> Yes, when wicked people try to exonerate their wickedness
> by means of simple-minded word games, that tends to evoke a
> response. I'm sure you are used to it.
>
> --
> -----------
> Brian E. Clark
There are two different ways of
interpreting the phrase "simple
minded" Where and in which
way are you using it?
Personally it's a phrase I
don't use because it can be
misconstrued.
I have seen this kind of talk
before, it's called "debil talk".
It's the language of Natas.
bd4u
Mike Painter
>
> Dr king is known for civil rights.
> Nobama is the antithesis of king, apparently wanting to continue
> violating mine in front of the whole world.
And what rights would those be?
Smiler
> On Jan 19, 3:07�pm, Brian E. Clark
> <brianecl...@address.invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <9d18ebf4-a6e8-4f3b-9fee-e5e6a3932d4e@
>> 21g2000prv.googlegroups.com>, bd4u.u...@gmail.com says...
>>
>> > This started as as simple Definition of a Bigot.
>>
>> You mean, "simple-minded", not "simple".
>>
>> > Do you see how many of them jumped up
>> > and started hollaring?
>>
>> Yes, when wicked people try to exonerate their wickedness
>> by means of simple-minded word games, that tends to evoke a
>> response. I'm sure you are used to it.
>>
>
> No, I said what I meant if you want
> to say something different then go
> right ahead. Just don't put words
> in my mouth to do it. I'm no puppet.
>
Yet you let your supposed god pull your strings.
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
bd4u.utah
Was I talking to you? NO I was talking to
John Manning, and the post was directed
towards him, and not ALL Christians. He was
portraying the stereotypical Bigotry that most
Christians Portray.
Which is better for me to say, "John Manning
you are a Christian Bigot"?
OR lament
"When oh when will Christians lose their self
importance that they can't see beyond their
own religion?"
I don't know if you know the concept of
"parent-child" vs "adult-adult" conversation
or not, but maybe you would do well to learn
of it.
And don't write things into a conversation
that are not there to begin with. It makes
you look foolish.
bd4u
bd4u.utah
Truth be told, I don't know that John Manning
is a "Christian Bigot". I was trying to give him
the benefit of doubt. His statements seemed
more conditioned, than personal.
bd4u
Mickey
> On Jan 19, 1:16 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:03:00 -0800 (PST), Mr President
>
> > >> > Dr king is known for civil rights.
> > >> > Nobama is the antithesis of king, apparently wanting to continue
> > >> > violating mine in front of the whole world.
>
>
> > >So in your delusional mind, having ones rights violated equates to
> > >being impotent.
>
> > >Care to elaborate on that for the psychiatrists?
>
> > Care to elaborate for the readers what civil rights of yours Obama is
> > violating?
>
> All of them
If that was true, you wouldn't b able to post your crap all over the
Internet.
Jeanne Douglas
<6bc2cac6-75b3-473e...@fu15g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Don Martin <drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Jan 19, 12:55 pm, "bd4u.utah" <bd4u.u...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 19, 10:18 am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
> > Are not ALL people EVERY where your brothers and sisters
> > under the one TRUE GOD?
>
> When the existence of that one TRUE GOD is demonstrated, I shall go
> along with this. Until that time, I grant sisterhood and brotherhood
> to persons on the basis of their merit. Those seeking my condemnation
> to hell (another unevidenced entity) utterly lack merit.
Obviously.
And yet they expect us to fall down with the sudden realization of how
wrong we've been, that believing in a magic entity with absolutely zero
evidence is perfectly sane.
It boggles the mind.
--
JD
"...if you think the 'Star Wars' prequels are a disease, then
'Serenity' is the cure."
Jeanne Douglas
<94d6ce0c-4019-4658...@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
Mr President <quar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 19, 12:55�pm, "bd4u.utah" <bd4u.u...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 19, 10:18�am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Are not ALL people EVERY where your brothers and sisters
> > under the one TRUE GOD? If not, then your god is not my god.
> > Cause my God doesn't discriminate like you do!
> >
> > bd4u- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Dr king is known for civil rights.
> Nobama is the antithesis of king, apparently wanting to continue
> violating mine in front of the whole world.
Quit yer whining!
Drooling Idiot
> On Jan 19, 12:55=A0pm, "bd4u.utah" <bd4u.u...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 19, 10:18=A0am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Alabama s new Republican governor, Robert Bentley, offers up a
> > > message of tolerance and inclusion for Martin Luther King Day:
> >
> > > became =A0 =A0 =A0governor I became the governor of all the people. I
> > > intend t=
> o
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0live up to that. I am color blind, Bentley said in a short
> > > s=
> peech
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0given about an hour after he took the oath of office as
> > > gove=
> rnor.
> >
> > > So far, so good! =A0Very appropriate for the occasion. =A0But then
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0 There may be some people here today who do not have
> > > living =
> within
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0them the Holy Spirit, Bentley said. But if you have been
> > > ado=
> pted
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0in God s family like I have, and like you have if you re a
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0Christian and if you re saved, and the Holy Spirit lives
> > > wit=
> hin you
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0just like the Holy Spirit lives within me, then you know
> > > wha=
> t that
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0makes? It makes you and me brothers. And it makes you and
> > > me =A0 =A0 =A0brother and sister.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0Bentley added, Now I will have to say that, if we don t
> > > have=
> the
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0same daddy, we re not brothers and sisters.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0"So anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ
> > > as =
> their
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0savior, I m telling you, you re not my brother and you re
> > > no=
> t my
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0sister, and I want to be your brother."
> >
> > > Well, I m sure all the Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists
> > > and atheists in Alabama were really thrilled to hear that he
> > > only considers Christians to be family but he really wants them
> > > that sounds almost exactly the same as what Reverend King said in
> > > his I Have A Dream speech:
> >
> > > vicio=
> us
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with
> > > the=
> words
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0of interposition and nullification; one day right there in
> > > A=
> labama,
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0little black boys and black girls will be able to join
> > > hands=
> with
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
> >
> > > Sure, he forgot to mention that the little black boys and girls and
> > > the little white boys and girls are all Christians, but it s
> > > totally implied!
> >
> > > I would be remiss to leave out this awesome attempt at damage
> > > control:
> >
> > > w=
> hen
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0asked about Bentley s comments said, He is the governor of
> > > a=
> ll the
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0people, Christians, non-Christians alike.
> >
> > > Well, yeah, that s kind of the job, isn t it? =A0But there s an awful
> > > lot of daylight between governor and brother, and it s awfully
> > > hard to imagine that that s going to mollify very many of
> > > Bentley s heathen non-brothers and non-sisters.
> >
> > > This is one of the biggest reasons why the religious right is
> > > so infuriating: their sense of compassion is ridiculously narrow.
> >
> > > If you re a self-sufficient member of the tribe in good
> > > even a fellow Christian conservative who doesn t have a decent job
> > > (or any job) and can t afford health insurance or a quality school
> > > for your kids well, the Lord had better provide, because their
> > > vision of government won t.
> >
> > >http://firedoglake.com/2011/01/18/christian-compassion-republican-styl
> > >e/
> >
> > When oh when will Christians lose their self
> > importance that they can't see beyond
> > their own religion?
> >
> > Why are you putting "words" into Dr Kings Mouth?
> >
> > Are not ALL people EVERY where your brothers and sisters
> > under the one TRUE GOD? If not, then your god is not my god.
> > Cause my God doesn't discriminate like you do!
> >
> > bd4u- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Dr king is known for civil rights.
> Nobama is the antithesis of king, apparently wanting to continue
> violating mine in front of the whole world.
Which of your civil rights have been violated by Obama?
Mr President
Yes.
Mr President
> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:31:15 -0800 (PST), GOD <yost...@hotmail.com>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have lawyers in the federal courts handling that.
Mr President
>
> - Show quoted text -
I never said he was violating my rights, only that he was in favor of
continuing the violation.
PD
But that's not what you said. I'm sure you can understand that.
>
> Which is better for me to say, "John Manning
> you are a Christian Bigot"?
>
> OR lament
>
> "When oh when will Christians lose their self
> importance that they can't see beyond their
> own religion?"
The first is an obviously less bigoted way to say it. Don't you agree?
>
> I don't know if you know the concept of
> "parent-child" vs "adult-adult" conversation
> or not, but maybe you would do well to learn
> of it.
>
> And don't write things into a conversation
> that are not there to begin with. It makes
> you look foolish.
I'm sorry, but this is an open newsgroup. It is implicit that any post
is open to response by any and all readers. I'm sure you knew that
about newsgroups. If you wanted to have a private conversation with
John Manning, you have an option in your newsgroup reader tool to do
that. I'm sure you know how to use that too.
If you wish to make a remark that you don't want the world to look at,
then don't make it on a public newsgroup.
PD
bd4u.utah
bd4u.utah
The first was pointing a finger at the person, the second was pointing
a finger at the problem. I chose to point a finger at the problem
rather
than at the person. So sue me for trying to not make it personal like
you are trying to do.
bd4u
This nym is not here
> So sue me for trying to not make it personal like
> you are trying to do.
I am suing you, and it is because you made our flame war personal by
abusing your position as
a government man.
PD
That's the point. NOT making it personal, and instead casting the
aspersion at a whole class of people is prejudicial and bigotry.
I'm sure you see that.
bd4u.utah
I guess you didn't read my definition of a Bigot. Just because
somebody refers to a problem that a whole group of people have
does not make it Bigoted. Yer awful quick to defend the inability
of Christians to see beyond their own religion. I gotta ask is it out
of self interest, or interest of the whole? Are you one of those
Christians? Is that why you defend the right for Christians
to have such a narrow view of the world?
>
> I'm sure you see that.
What I see is you defending the right of Christians to remain
nearsighted. That's what I see..
bd4u
PD
There you did it again. You assign to ALL Christians the inability to
see beyond their own religion.
This is no different than telling a black man, "You're awful quick to
defend the inability of black folk to get off welfare."
Do you REALLY not see that?
bd4u.utah
I see you trying to make apples out of oranges.
I didn't say ALL Christians, I said "Christians".
It's ONLY Christians that teach that you can't
get to heaven unless you believe in Jesus Christ.
On the other hand, it's not only blacks on welfare,
so that makes your comparison faulty.
Like I said, the comment wasn't to you to begin
with. John was expressing the VERY stereotyping
that defines Christianity. THAT is what I was referring
to.
Also you are confused. What you are labeling as Bigotry
is not bigotry, it is stereotyping, and stereotyping is not
always a negative thing. Neither does it always represent
bigotry.
I wish to thank you for this dialog, because I am currently
taking an ethics class on this very subject. As such it helps
me to clarify in my own mind, the faulty logic and assumptions
people make because of it.
bd4u
PD
Ah, and so if I said, ""When oh when will black folks stop being so
lazy and shiftless and get off welfare?" you would understand that I'm
not talking about all black folks, just about some? And therefore it
would not be a prejudicial statement?
> It's ONLY Christians that teach that you can't
> get to heaven unless you believe in Jesus Christ.
Really? What do the Moslems say about infidels?
Are you SURE you don't want to reconsider what you're saying?
>
> On the other hand, it's not only blacks on welfare,
> so that makes your comparison faulty.
>
> Like I said, the comment wasn't to you to begin
> with. John was expressing the VERY stereotyping
> that defines Christianity. THAT is what I was referring
> to.
Stereotyping DEFINES Christianity?
So what John was expressing is the view of every Christian?
Here we are back again at prejudice and bigotry.
>
> Also you are confused. What you are labeling as Bigotry
> is not bigotry, it is stereotyping, and stereotyping is not
> always a negative thing. Neither does it always represent
> bigotry.
Ah, so when someone else stereotypes, it's bigotry, but if you do it,
then it's stereotyping but not bigotry?
>
> I wish to thank you for this dialog, because I am currently
> taking an ethics class on this very subject. As such it helps
> me to clarify in my own mind, the faulty logic and assumptions
> people make because of it.
I certainly hope so. One of the best things a good college education
can provide is a little self-awareness.
Sidney Lambe
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The Right criticizes the Left. The Left Criticizes the Right.
And no matter which of them is in power, the same rotten things
go on.
The fact is, that they are both correct in their criticisms.
They are both corrupt, hypocritical, amoral, greedy, power-hungry,
and murderously materialistic.
The Democrats have, for example, taken us to war more often than
the Republicans.
They aren't really enemies at all. That's a sham. They are
the Left and Right wing of the Money party.
Both are puppets of the Corporations.
What we really need in the USA is a second party.
Sid
bd4u.utah
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You really need to take a course in Logic.
A course in ethics might help too.
bd4u
bd4u.utah
wrote:
"second party" hehh that's funny.. ..but yer right.
Right now all we really have is a ONE party system.
And that is half the problem, because we only have
half of a Democracy.
bd4u
PD
Illuminate me then, oh learned one.
Better yet, take this exchange to your sophomore ethics class as a
discussion starter, and see what comes of that.
Mike Painter
Mr. President, please allow me to introduce Herc.
Smiler
Then show us this supposed evidence.
Your beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
Here, use this space:
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� R. L. Measures.
>On Jan 19, 12:55=A0pm, "bd4u.utah" <bd4u.u...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 19, 10:18=A0am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Alabama s new Republican governor, Robert Bentley, offers up a
>> > message of tolerance and inclusion for Martin Luther King Day:
>>
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 I was elected as a Republican candidate. But once I became
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0governor I became the governor of all the people. I intend t=
>o
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0live up to that. I am color blind, Bentley said in a short s=
>peech
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0given about an hour after he took the oath of office as gove=
>rnor.
>>
>> > So far, so good! =A0Very appropriate for the occasion. =A0But then
>>
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 There may be some people here today who do not have living =
>within
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0them the Holy Spirit, Bentley said. But if you have been ado=
>pted
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0in God s family like I have, and like you have if you re a
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0Christian and if you re saved, and the Holy Spirit lives wit=
>hin you
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0just like the Holy Spirit lives within me, then you know wha=
>t that
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0makes? It makes you and me brothers. And it makes you and me
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0brother and sister.
>>
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0Bentley added, Now I will have to say that, if we don t have=
> the
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0same daddy, we re not brothers and sisters.
>>
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0"So anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as =
>their
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0savior, I m telling you, you re not my brother and you re no=
>t my
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0sister, and I want to be your brother."
>>
>> > Well, I m sure all the Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists
>> > and atheists in Alabama were really thrilled to hear that he
>> > only considers Christians to be family but he really wants them
>> > to convert so they can be his brothers and sisters too! =A0Why,
>> > that sounds almost exactly the same as what Reverend King said in
>> > his I Have A Dream speech:
>>
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicio=
>us
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the=
> words
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0of interposition and nullification; one day right there in A=
>labama,
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands=
> with
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
>>
>> > Sure, he forgot to mention that the little black boys and girls and
>> > the little white boys and girls are all Christians, but it s
>> > totally implied!
>>
>> > I would be remiss to leave out this awesome attempt at damage control:
>>
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0Bentley s communications director, Rebekah Caldwell Mason, w=
>hen
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0asked about Bentley s comments said, He is the governor of a=
>ll the
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0people, Christians, non-Christians alike.
>>
>> > Well, yeah, that s kind of the job, isn t it? =A0But there s an awful
>> > lot of daylight between governor and brother, and it s awfully
>> > hard to imagine that that s going to mollify very many of
>> > Bentley s heathen non-brothers and non-sisters.
>>
>> > This is one of the biggest reasons why the religious right is
>> > so infuriating: their sense of compassion is ridiculously narrow.
>>
>> > If you re a self-sufficient member of the tribe in good
>> > standing, they re there for you. =A0But if you re an outsider, or even
>> > a fellow Christian conservative who doesn t have a decent job
>> > (or any job) and can t afford health insurance or a quality school
>> > for your kids well, the Lord had better provide, because their
>> > vision of government won t.
>>
>> >http://firedoglake.com/2011/01/18/christian-compassion-republican-style/
>>
>> When oh when will Christians lose their self
>> importance that they can't see beyond
>> their own religion?
>>
>> Why are you putting "words" into Dr Kings Mouth?
>>
>> Are not ALL people EVERY where your brothers and sisters
>> under the one TRUE GOD? If not, then your god is not my god.
>> Cause my God doesn't discriminate like you do!
>>
>> bd4u- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Dr king is known for civil rights.
>Nobama is the antithesis of king, apparently wanting to continue
>violating mine in front of the whole world.
** "Mr. President" . . guffaw.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
� R. L. Measures.
<5cdca13f-8824-43b4...@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
"bd4u.utah" <bd4u...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 19, 10:56=A0am, Mr President <quarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 19, 12:55=A0pm, "bd4u.utah" <bd4u.u...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 19, 10:18=A0am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>> > > Alabama s new Republican governor, Robert Bentley, offers up a
>> > > message of tolerance and inclusion for Martin Luther King Day:
>>
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0 I was elected as a Republican candidate. But once I becam=
>e
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0governor I became the governor of all the people. I intend=
> to
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0live up to that. I am color blind, Bentley said in a short=
> speech
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0given about an hour after he took the oath of office as go=
>vernor.
>>
>> > > So far, so good! =A0Very appropriate for the occasion. =A0But then
>>
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0 There may be some people here today who do not have livin=
>g within
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0them the Holy Spirit, Bentley said. But if you have been a=
>dopted
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0in God s family like I have, and like you have if you re a
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0Christian and if you re saved, and the Holy Spirit lives w=
>ithin you
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0just like the Holy Spirit lives within me, then you know w=
>hat that
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0makes? It makes you and me brothers. And it makes you and =
>me
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0brother and sister.
>>
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0Bentley added, Now I will have to say that, if we don t ha=
>ve the
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0same daddy, we re not brothers and sisters.
>>
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0"So anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ a=
>s their
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0savior, I m telling you, you re not my brother and you re =
>not my
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0sister, and I want to be your brother."
>>
>> > > Well, I m sure all the Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists
>> > > and atheists in Alabama were really thrilled to hear that he
>> > > only considers Christians to be family but he really wants them
>> > > to convert so they can be his brothers and sisters too! =A0Why,
>> > > that sounds almost exactly the same as what Reverend King said in
>> > > his I Have A Dream speech:
>>
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vic=
>ious
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with t=
>he words
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0of interposition and nullification; one day right there in=
> Alabama,
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0little black boys and black girls will be able to join han=
>ds with
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
>>
>> > > Sure, he forgot to mention that the little black boys and girls and
>> > > the little white boys and girls are all Christians, but it s
>> > > totally implied!
>>
>> > > I would be remiss to leave out this awesome attempt at damage control=
>:
>>
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0Bentley s communications director, Rebekah Caldwell Mason,=
> when
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0asked about Bentley s comments said, He is the governor of=
> all the
>> > > =A0 =A0 =A0people, Christians, non-Christians alike.
>>
>> > > Well, yeah, that s kind of the job, isn t it? =A0But there s an awful
>> > > lot of daylight between governor and brother, and it s awfully
>> > > hard to imagine that that s going to mollify very many of
>> > > Bentley s heathen non-brothers and non-sisters.
>>
>> > > This is one of the biggest reasons why the religious right is
>> > > so infuriating: their sense of compassion is ridiculously narrow.
>>
>> > > If you re a self-sufficient member of the tribe in good
>> > > standing, they re there for you. =A0But if you re an outsider, or eve=
>n
>> > > a fellow Christian conservative who doesn t have a decent job
>> > > (or any job) and can t afford health insurance or a quality school
>> > > for your kids well, the Lord had better provide, because their
>> > > vision of government won t.
>>
>> > >http://firedoglake.com/2011/01/18/christian-compassion-republican-styl=
>e/
>>
>> > When oh when will Christians lose their self
>> > importance that they can't see beyond
>> > their own religion?
>>
>> > Why are you putting "words" into Dr Kings Mouth?
>>
>> > Are not ALL people EVERY where your brothers and sisters
>> > under the one TRUE GOD? If not, then your god is not my god.
>> > Cause my God doesn't discriminate like you do!
>>
>> > bd4u- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Dr king is known for civil rights.
>> Nobama is the antithesis of king, apparently wanting to continue
>> violating mine in front of the whole world.
>
>You feel that impotent about yourself do you?
>
>First people blamed Bush Sr, then they blamed Bush Jr, now without
>anybody else to blame they blame Obama.
>
>When you point a finger at somebody take a look at your hand.
>1 finger points at who you are blaming, and 3 fingers are pointing
>back at you!
>
** chortle. good one.