Brad Guth

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Mar 23, 2014, 12:38:57 PM3/23/14

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Most of the complex life on Earth is alien, especially if we humans having evolved from such.

HVAC

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Mar 23, 2014, 2:09:18 PM3/23/14

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On 3/23/2014 12:38 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
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>> Are aliens here?
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>> I have no idea.
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> Most of the complex life on Earth is alien, especially if we humans having evolved from such.

Some things in life are certain. Death & taxes. Night is followed by
day. And when Mook posts, Guth will suck his dick.

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HVAC -Shock Treatment For Believers

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Mar 23, 2014, 5:12:53 PM3/23/14

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Well, this gets beyond my training and understanding. There is certainly substantial anecdotal evidence of an alien presence. Stephen Greer and others in the Disclosure Project have assembled massive quantities of such data from very credible sources.

I also recommend 'The Book of the Damned' by contrarian Charles Hoy Fort. He was a journalist who wrote in the late 19th and early 20th centuries who was a keen observer of how scientific journals of the day were eager to rationalize errors to maintain their belief system. He accumulated a number of stories that his editors rejected over the years, and assembled them into a book in 1919. By that time atomic theory, relativity theory, the invention of the motorcar and airplane, opened people's minds to the possibilities of a world far larger than admitted by the science of the day, or even this day!

http://www.sacred-texts.com/fort/damn/damn00.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAdVb37mO1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tstARlqbUY8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw4Or7jbN5A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I88MNgAEPMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MGK5ht_8Ek <--Ch 11 & 12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97as-tCRKJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOuzols6vgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDY1CT7k3FE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjW5YavxoCA

I recommend Chapter Twelve.

Fort, reports 'unusual' events throughout the book. What today we would call UFO sightings, and concludes that astronomy isn't up to the task before it because it cannot accept the reality of the cosmos any more than a night watchman can accept the reality of the street he watches over.

Astronomy is like a night watchman looking at the lanterns at night, where the street's been torn up.

There are gas lights and kerosene lamps and electric lights in the neighborhood: matches flaring, fires in stoves, bonfires, house afire somewhere; lights of automobiles, illuminated signs--

The watchman and his one little system.

He doesn't see the drugs and divorce, rape and murder, venereal disease and drunkenness.

These are excluded in his puritanical view of the street.

In the same way the prim and the precise, the exact, the homogeneous, the single, the mathematic, the puritanic, pure, and perfect is admitted by astronomers studying the lights in the night sky.

As a result, we can have the illusion of how the universe works, only by disregarding and infinity of detail and denying they are there.

Just like the watchman.

Fort's antagonism is not to Science, but to the attitude of the scientists that their puerile paltry and insufficient dogmas and standards adequate to understanding the cosmos despite their obvious shortcomings. It's as if several persons start out to Chicago, and get to Buffalo, and one is under the delusion that Buffalo is Chicago. Anyone deluded in this way will be a resistance to the true progress toward Chicago.

He allows himself to analyze the events he reports in the previous chapters and concludes, that we are owned by something the same way a pond full of fishes is owned by someone, and who periodically comes to the pond for a bit of sport.

Hägar

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Mar 23, 2014, 7:29:46 PM3/23/14

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***Why, pray tell, oh all knowing doofus, is 7.5e22kg of any significance
???
Did you weigh it on your bathroom scale, or did BeertBrain supply you
with one of his magical concave/convex theory based shortcuts ??

HVAC

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Mar 24, 2014, 7:21:58 AM3/24/14

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On 3/23/2014 5:12 PM, mokme...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>>>>> I used to think that it would be impossible for Aliens to exist on our planet, the planet Earth. Since travel faster than light is impossible according to most scientists, it would take aliens quite a long time to get here, even if they came from the closest star. Now, what if Aliens had a really long life span, in the tens of thousands of years. Or what if they built a multi generational ship. Life forms get on, beget children, these children beget children and so on until they find a planet what's habitable. Or perhaps Alien life is so out there that we can't comprehend it. They could travel in radio waves etc.
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>> Most of the complex life on Earth is alien, especially if we humans having evolved from such.
>
> Well, this gets beyond my training and understanding. There is certainly substantial anecdotal evidence of an alien presence. Stephen Greer and others in the Disclosure Project have assembled massive quantities of such data from very credible sources.
>
> I also recommend 'The Book of the Damned' by contrarian Charles Hoy Fort. He was a journalist who wrote in the late 19th and early 20th centuries who was a keen observer of how scientific journals of the day were eager to rationalize errors to maintain their belief system. He accumulated a number of stories that his editors rejected over the years, and assembled them into a book in 1919. By that time atomic theory, relativity theory, the invention of the motorcar and airplane, opened people's minds to the possibilities of a world far larger than admitted by the science of the day, or even this day!

Mook, wtf type of drugs were you on when you wrote this shit?

Brad Guth

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Mar 24, 2014, 11:28:40 AM3/24/14

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The vast complexity of life on Earth, much of which being a lot better suited as to adapting and better surviving than us humans, seems to suggest that ETs seeded our planet with numerous complex species. Even via directed panspermia shouldn't be unlikely, because even our guys with their right stuff can manage to do at least that much.

Brad Guth

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Mar 24, 2014, 11:33:44 AM3/24/14

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7.5e22 kg is just an honest swag at suggesting what an icy Selene could have amounted to (could have been worth 8e22 kg), as of prior to its glancing blow that gave our planet its Arctic ocean basin and our seasonal tilt and a good amount of new water.

Hägar

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Mar 24, 2014, 1:39:44 PM3/24/14

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Brad Guth formulated on Monday :

***An honest swag ??? You are indeed one pompous moron, GuthBall.

First off, posting the mass of extraterrestrial bodies in
Kilograms (kg)is tantamount to listing your age in days.

But here is the real idiocy in your statement of the Icy Orb of
7.5e22 kg, which, according to you, is not that much different
than 8e22 kg.

So I'll make it really simple, for a simpleton like you:
Instead of your pulled out of your ass numbers, lets use something
a little more realistic and down to Earth:

7.5e5 = 23,730
8e5 = 32,768, which is 38% more than 23,730

I can see now why Hillary used the term "what difference does it make".
You Liberals are all idiots cast from the same mold ... neither math
nor reality can be defined as your dominant traits ... a spot that,
at least in your case, is reserved for utter stupidity.

Brad Guth

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Mar 24, 2014, 1:55:43 PM3/24/14

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So, how much ice should any rogue planetoid accumulate?

At 2.03 g/cm3, do tell us how much of Pluto is ice?

At 2 g/cm3, do tell us how much of Sedna is ice?

At 1.88 g/cm3, do tell us how much of Titan is ice?

Do you need more examples of icy stuff?

Hägar

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<< snip GuthBallian idiocy >>

*** So the evil Aleeuns got it ... it is only logical that your
twisted brain would come up with that cop-out prediction ...
that's right up there with your 9/11 rant. Well, at least you're
not blaming the evil Joos or George Bush ...

Dance, little dipshit, dance ...

Brad Guth

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Mar 25, 2014, 1:22:25 PM3/25/14

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We already know that your mutated DNA is mostly redneck ET, so don't push it unless you wouldn't mind getting dissected for science.

HVAC

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Mar 25, 2014, 1:45:31 PM3/25/14

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On 3/25/2014 9:30 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
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>> Aliens among us

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> I've followed this kind of stuff since mid/late 1950s.

And still no fucking aliens.....

mokme...@gmail.com

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Mar 25, 2014, 9:08:27 PM3/25/14

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I am wondering what we would have that an alien would need. Assuming the reports in the previous video are accurate, there are only a few things that make sense to me;

(1) They are the products of a terrestrial break-away civilization currently unknown to us, which have evolved along with us throughout history,

(2) They are products of extra-terrestrial civilizations making use of uniquely human biology to bypass biometric locks on ancient human technologies,

In the first instance, they have a long-standing organic relationship to humanity and have evolved along with humanity. In the second instance, they have a continuing need of human biology and perhaps psychology, to maintain access to ancient human technology.

Any reasoning that doesn't involve either one or both of these points doesn't hold water. There is nothing about us, or about the Earth that makes continuing contact necessary.

haha - I'm working on a sci-fi novel I call 'People Farm:Up from the Sky'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aPcogx0MPw

As you know, you can't believe everything you see and hear
- Jimi Hendrix

This is a story about about a woman that explores possibility #2 above. A Linda Moulton Howe character that explores human mutiliation and discovers that humanity is an engineered species, derived from an earlier species that was the first to master intergalactic travel aeons ago, and has left behind them, a cosmic mechanism.

This mechanism safeguarded by biometric locks, requires functioning humans to access it. It is to bypass these locks that the remnants of the defeated world were combed by the combined alien races who worked against our anscestors. Their goal, to produce a milder, human off spring to operate the cosmic mechanism on their behalf. Since all now depend upon this bit of human ingenuity to maintain cosmic commerce.

In this novel, the ancient Atlantean myths are true. But the Atlanteans were not our original ancestors. They were an engineered culture, that was only a distant echo of the true human culture that came before well before it. Atlanteans were only the penultimate incarnation of an attempt to make a more docile humanity. Our forebears who possessed far more capacities than the humans in the Atlantean times, and the Atlanteans possessed far more capacities than we.

The present epoch, ended with the moon programme and nuclear weapons. This resulted in the assassination of JFK and the engineered demise of the the present global culture through alien intervention.

The next try to maintain the 'people farm' for the benefit of the allied races who defeated us, and depend on technology our ancestors built, will be to remove from the human experience the sexual and familial impulses from every day human existence. These will be reserved for the leaders who operate on the alien's behalf here on Earth. Just as the joys and experiences of the Atlanteans are reserved for a select few today.

Anyway, that's the story I'm working on.

Brad Guth

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Mar 25, 2014, 11:03:03 PM3/25/14

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ETs would want as much from exploiting Earth as we'd want to do with exploiting some other viable Eden/Goldilocks planet, planetoid or moon.

If Earth and its biodiversity is owned, then we have very little say in its destiny.

HVAC

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Mar 26, 2014, 10:10:56 AM3/26/14

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On 3/25/2014 9:08 PM, mokme...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> Our solar system is relatively new, and even more recent nearby stars with their planets have come and gone within the 4.5 billion years of whatever our cosmic existence has had to offer. It would be foolish to think we're alone and unique as to having evolved by way of only terrestrial means.
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> I am wondering what we would have that an alien would need. Assuming the reports in the previous video are accurate, there are only a few things that make sense to me;
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> (1) They are the products of a terrestrial break-away civilization currently unknown to us, which have evolved along with us throughout history,
>
> (2) They are products of extra-terrestrial civilizations making use of uniquely human biology to bypass biometric locks on ancient human technologies,

Pfffft! Fuck that. The aliens are here for one thing and one thing only

Cookies!

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Mar 26, 2014, 5:45:28 PM3/26/14

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Rather than say that its just "aliens" who have us surrounded, why not admit that humanity has been helped more by aliens that look more like us than not? There doesn't seem to be any reason why people can't change for the better, as long as there is the possibility of trade taking place between solar systems (w.r.t. planetary experience), and so those who, at least look like us, probably would live in a similar environment, if not better environment, than the earth offers.

Of course it is conjecture to say that Pleiadeans come from a better 'wilderness' than Earthlings do, but my guess is that since Pleiadeans are supposedly more advanced than Earthlings, their wilderness has probably become much more depreciated than Earth's, which is why they're probably interested in extracting some of our natural resources - but aren't doing so, as they probably have mastered extracting whatever they want from other planetary systems, including the asteroids. There is probably no doubt that there has been exchanges going on - their knowledge of microelectronics and spaceflight - for our lending the earth to them as a sort of rest stop or rendezvous on the way to neighboring star systems, or other planets. The following is what can be gleaned from waybackmachine.org:

"Pleiadean influence has been a prominent factor in the creation of many products. Here is the description of a product that stands out probably more than any. It has proven itself as a tremendous device for protection of human life and healing powers and the first time it was utilized as a life-and-death experience.

As early as the 1950s, scientists at Sony and General Electric produced the first transistors, which are responsible for today's computer industry.

Tracing an original patent on the transistor is almost impossible. Motorola in Phoenix, AZ received information for a semiconductor development from a Pleiadean contactee located in central Mexico in the mid-1980s. Nikola Tesla often admitted his ideas came from an Extraterestrial source. IBM's founder, John Carter Sr. states his original information, concerning his computers, originated from ET's in a series of dreams. Ideas often found at the Lockheed skunk works originated from reverse engineering from spaceships collected at places like Roswell. New Mexico Aztec, NM and Laredo, TX just to name a few. At Dreamland in Area 51, the Groom Lake group, also are well known for the use of reverse Extraterrestrial technologies. Some of the technologies that we would know today involved advanced electromagnetic technologies, optical fiber technologies, and vehicle lifting systems, tunnel diode systems, mossfets, and many other technological advances especially in the field of miniature micronization.

Fred Hart and Thomas Colson, founders of the National Health Federation, established legal precedents for freedom of health choices, the legalization of over-the-counter vitamin sales, also had ET contacts.

Hart and Colson's amazing device, the Dipolar-ray was very successful in the treatment of advanced stages of arthritis. When brought into the marketplace, the FDA forced it off the market. Out of protest and in keeping with our constitutional freedoms, Colson and Hart founded what today is known as the National Health Federation. There was an X-1 healing machine, referred to in Dr. Fred Bell's book Rays of Truth - Crystals of Light, found its roots in the Dipolar-ray machine.

Semjase, Dr. Fred Bell's Pleiadean contact source, decided to involve some other human beings in the employment of new Pleiadean based technological products. Thus was the birth of the machine now known as the Flame Thrower. Semjase directed Dr. Fred Bell to bring his wife Frauke and two clients; Ann Rainbow and her husband Ken for a hands on demonstration. The area chosen for this encounter was Dolce, NM on the reservation of the Jicarilla Apache Indians. This at the time was a well-known area where extreme caution had to be exercised in order to not be abducted by an Extraterrestrial group of aliens that originated in Theta Reticuli III, a star system 38 light years from our earth.

The local Jicarilla Indian teenagers like to party and have fun on the weekends, especially at night, as do most teenagers in all civilizations. However these children stayed very close to the central village, because to stray out into the countryside meant certain danger of a permanent abduction. Because the Jiccara reservation is considered an Alien Nation, our law-enforcement will not look for or consider missing Indians.

The "Firestarr Orb" was placed in the back of a pickup truck, and two witnesses sat in the front seat. The alien "Semjase" instructed them to park in a remote riverbed, located ten miles outside the village. They were instructed telepathically, to wait exactly 14 minutes, and a gray space ship would charge our position. Everyone was thusly forewarned. After exactly 14 minutes a 21-foot in diameter space ship containing Grays, flew directly at the windshield of the pickup truck. The device in the rear, the Firestarr Orb, started to glow and emanate high frequency energy. Everyone could feel the tremendous psychic fear that came from the occupants of the space ship. At about 50 feet directly in front of the truck, the ship changed colors and quickly maneuvered 180 degrees and disappeared from sight. Needless to say everyone inside was relieved, as none of the others have ever had a close encounter this close, nor this dangerous. Here is a picture of the so-called "Firestarr Orb", along with smaller versions, which could probably also be renamed a "Gray Repulser":

http://web.archive.org/web/20120307211026/http://www.pyradyne.com/gallerypics/034.jpg
Irradiator in operating system. Note virtual field distortion occurring at base of irradiator. Choke in centre of irradiator:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120307202406/http://www.pyradyne.com/gallerypics/040.jpg
Quad system, full light output. Notice vortex time phase shift:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120307213855/http://www.pyradyne.com/gallerypics/060.jpg
Microstarr and laser in carrying case:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120308203847/http://www.pyradyne.com/microstarr/arles_gallery/images/IMG_1281.JPG
Micro starr at low power:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120308234058/http://www.pyradyne.com/microstarr/arles_gallery/images/IMG_1291.JPG
Microstarr going into violet phase:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120308191846/http://www.pyradyne.com/microstarr/arles_gallery/images/IMG_1295.JPG

Since then, the "Firestar Orb" has had major development and many components have been added to it. It functions as an anti-ELF device, a healing device, and a communicative device. It looks somewhat like a decorated orb."

The above systems are no longer available directly from Pyradyne, but they can probably be special ordered for under $1,000 each.

"The Firestarr Orb is composed of electronic components and special crystals that come from vortexes located all over the world. It is about 3 1/2 feet across by about 3 1/2 feet, or in other words an x-shaped device. Depending on the application, one of these devices is used in a singular manner, or a combination of four of them is used simultaneously. When used in this fashion, one of them is based in the North and the others are faced East, South and West respectively. When they are used in a quad like manner the vortex stones are color-coded. The Firestarr Orb that is positioned towards the North is primarily made of red jewel like material from vortexes on the earth that primarily produces red colored gemstones. The Firestarr Orb that faces the East is primarily made of stones and gems that are green in color. The Firestarr Orb that faces the South is always made with black gems and rocks. Black is used because it absorbs negative energy. When using this device for healing purposes the black is always faced towards the bottom of a person being treated, and usually at their feet. The red Firestarr Orb is then directed towards the head. The Firestarr Orb facing the West is usually blue in color. Blue relates to the heart or thymus gland and green corresponds to the thyroid area, which is the energy gateway between the head and body. Of course we use many other custom colors depending on the individual's requirements. Oftentimes these devices are customized strictly to not only the individual but also the environment."

http://www.pyradyne.com/product-category/pyradyne-systems/

IMO humanity must learn to escape being "trapped in the circuit" of its own behavioral environment. This is due to humanity's constant dependency on microelectronics - not only for communication, but also for its food, shelter, clothing, transportation, water supply, electricity, gasoline, and maintenance. This is because microelectronics has become such an integral part of the human's daily life, that without it, the human could not survive its own wilderness. The Pleiadeans must know that this is the way a society becomes doomed - when all of society becomes dependent upon a centralized government, and the complexity of the power structure scales with the availability of the microcircuit, then the society becomes trapped in its own design, forever in the process of being and becoming singular electrons, which are forever circulating around the loops of its circuitry, and without any regard to the effects of the surrounding environment:

http://zeropoint.dreamstation.com/Nazi_POW_and_Chip.htm

IMO humanity must learn to protect the wholistic environment of its local organizational structure, and become decentralized from the power structure that causes the inhabitants to become environmentally and locally sterile, while that power structure increases its dependency on the 'prison warden economy' we call Earth. There are ways of achieving this, without disassembling the grid that is already in place, but recognizing how the grid itself has become dependent not upon the number of electrons which are circulating through the microelectronics, but how the creative, advertising, and individual's community 'worth' aspect becomes appreciated throughout the entire system:

http://zeropoint.dreamstation.com/Edible_Paper_Nano_Money.htm

With the electron still trapped in endless circulation within the microchip, the humming of the machine of socialism may became a mass media hypnotism into a psychosis of perpetual lying. A huge hoodwink has been perpetrated on western scientists and engineers (to keep us all in the dark). This took place in the late nineteenth century when Maxwell's original electromagnetic theory was first inadvertantly doctored by two British physicists, and then dismembered by a third quite famous physicist - working under the direction of a major US financial interest. The result is that Maxwell's original science and the later work of Nikola Tesla were removed from the purview of western scientists and electrical engineers.

We thus lost the capacity to unify physics, and were unable to develop technology, for example, to harness clean energy from SpaceTime or to engineer Superluminal (faster than the speed of light) Propulsion, among many other things.

Scalar Energy Physics, which is fundamental to technologies such as this, is now only starting to emerge in some areas of our western science. Knowledge of these things has of course existed for many decades elsewhere on the planet ...

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Mar 26, 2014, 7:57:40 PM3/26/14

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This ignores human mutilation. Interstellar commerce requires a Kardashev 2 (K2) civilization or better. There's nothing Earth's Kardashev 0 (K0) civilization could offer a K2 civilization. Not one damn thing. While we're well suited for this environment, visitors would not be. They would have to engineer it to their liking. A K2 is better off mining the Sun or other stars and building whatever world they like best using self-replicating machinery.

This is why the so-far anecdotal reports of alien human contact, don't make sense, except under the two scenarios given previously;

(1) They are the products of a terrestrial break-away civilization currently unknown to us, which have evolved along with us throughout history,

(2) They are products of extra-terrestrial civilizations making use of uniquely human biology to bypass biometric locks on ancient human technologies,

In the first instance, they have a long-standing organic relationship to humanity and have evolved along with humanity. In the second instance, they have a continuing need of human biology and perhaps psychology, to maintain access to ancient human technology.

Any reasoning that doesn't involve either one or both of these points doesn't hold water. There is nothing about us, or about the Earth that makes continuing contact necessary.

The human mutilation reports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdJXAGrcN-E

remind me of the way wasp larvae and spider larvae eat out their host. They're evolved to avoid key nerves and critical organs so that the larvae don't kill they're host. They are quite surgical in the way they proceed.

There are also worms that are evolved with such skill that they can attach to a host and suck their blood, without the host even knowing they're present.

Could a super-human intelligence, naturally evolved on the Earth operate as a parasite to humanity and be totally unknown to humanity?

When I consider the way fungi work, as individual cells when penetrating the body of their host, but then coordinate activity within their host to create what amounts to a parasitic organism once established within the host. I wonder if super-human intelligence is possible with this sort of parasitic mechanism.

Consider the hallucinogenic capabilities of magic mushrooms. These are fungi. Now, consider the potential of a coordinated fungus that has evolved a little more completely than the sorts of creatures described above.

I can imagine one type of fungus that inhabits the body of a human and makes connections that allow that human to operate at a super human intellectual level. I can imagine such humans infected with this parasite recognizing one another and working together to benefit themselves at the expense of uninfected humans.

I can also imagine a fungus taking on a form, becoming mobile, and then shaping itself to adapt to making use of its chosen host. This sort of organism would absorb the human, excising the parts it found useful, the excreting the rest.

Anyone familiar with an electric eel, or with microbial fuel cells, knows that substantial electrical power can be produced by an organism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_eel

Eels not only use electricity to kill their prey and for defence, producing 500 watts of power at 1 ampere and 500 volts, they also use electricity to electrolocate their prey and map their surroundings, being able to send 25 volt signals in the hundreds of hertz in the microamp range.

There are also animals like Cuttlefish, that can blend in with their surroundings and sneak up on its prey;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqMNjUp6UeA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-zodF-XrSE

Using a technology very similar to this, to render itself invisible;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiuuRXG6z0E

So, to explain human mutilation one can imagine a prey that feeds on human blood (hence the absolute lack of blood at the scene) and makes use of the mentation, or mental processes of its victim to help understand its victim, and perhaps inherit some of the properties of its victim. Hence, it may have evolved to take only those organs that support the brain of its victim and its function for the benefit of the predator.

If birds didn't exist on Earth, could we believe such creatures were possible? Can there exist a predator so clever and so capable that we to this day are unaware of their existence?

So, if aircraft were developed on a world that didn't have birds, would the people who built them imagine birds to be possible under different circumstances?

Now, we have built high-voltage lifters that make use of the electrical properties of air to lift tiny air craft with high voltages.

Imagine a cuttlefish type flying animal that used that sort of lifting process to fly, dive into the water, electrolocate, electrocute and stun prey, combined with chromophoric skin to maintain invisibility, and feeding and mating habits that allowed it to absorb the mentality of its prey and even mimic its prey or infect its prey to change its behaviour to make its job easier.

haha - I mentioned that I am writing a story - Up From the Skies - wherein the secret of aliens on Earth are revealed. That's volume 1. Volume 2 explores this aspect. The terrestrial aspect. And in fact, the way the aliens were able to defeat humanity (according to the story line) was that they disrupted the balanced give and take between humanity and this parasite radically reducing the capacity of the combination. In the first story the conquerors of ancient man reduced us radically from what we once were and are planning the end of sexuality and individuality as we now know it, substituting cybernetic processes - and reserving sex and family for the select few who control the rest. The goal of the aliens in this instance is to maintain and expand access to an ancient cosmic mechanism built by early humanity, and eventually rid themselves of the need for humans altogether.

HVAC

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Basically, our moon as an icy interstellar craft would do quite nicely for those having seeded our planet that seems to be falling apart on us.

Environmental and biodiversity tipping points have been passed, and the only ones not the least bit concerned are the oligarchs, Bilderbergs, Rothschilds and of course their mostly public-funded and ratepayer-funded armies of brown-nosed clowns, minions and FUD-masters (many of which can be found right here in Usenet/newsgroups).

Taking better care of good old planet Earth seems critical enough to warrant exploiting our moon and Venus, at least before we start mining our sun or any other stars.

Brad Guth

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Mar 28, 2014, 2:35:41 AM3/28/14

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On Saturday, March 22, 2014 5:02:55 PM UTC-7, parkstre...@gmail.com wrote:
> I used to think that it would be impossible for Aliens to exist on our planet, the planet Earth. Since travel faster than light is impossible according to most scientists, it would take aliens quite a long time to get here, even if they came from the closest star. Now, what if Aliens had a really long life span, in the tens of thousands of years. Or what if they built a multi generational ship. Life forms get on, beget children, these children beget children and so on until they find a planet what's habitable. Or perhaps Alien life is so out there that we can't comprehend it. They could travel in radio waves etc.

Smart ETs shouldn't have had any problems with their having exploited Earth.

The innards of an icy moon, utilized as an interstellar trek capable habitat would be as failsafe and perfectly cozy as it gets, just like exploiting the innards of its naked basalt crust could be accomplished via robotic TBMs doing their thing would give us nearly unlimited habitat volume and a considerable amount or rare element resources to boot.

Even as surface protected by a km depth of those only slightly compacted icy crystals would provide habitats as sufficiently warmed by the core energy of our moon. However, once easily tunneled a few km into its tough paramagnetic bedrock of 3.5 g/cm density, it also becomes asteroid impact proof to those underground habitats, not to mention the spoils of TBMs yielding scads of minerals and raw elements to do whatever with.

Just for the fun of it:

Figure a volume of 10 km depth worth of surface ice = 3.8e13 x 1e4 = 3.8e17 m3

With a 1/6th gravity, figure its average compacted volumetric density of all that ice as worth only 10% = 3.8e16 tonnes worth of water, as offering one hell of a fine and dandy radiation shield, as well as a terrific layer of thermal insulation that could be easily lived under that sort of protective outer lithosphere of ice, and at least there'd be no serious problems up until passing extremely close to a planet like Earth and naturally much worse upon encountering a glancing blow of creating the Arctic ocean basin and establishing our seasonal tilt.

HVAC

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Mar 28, 2014, 11:50:19 AM3/28/14

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On 3/27/2014 10:02 PM, mokme...@gmail.com wrote:
> The same physical processes that gives rise to life on Earth operates throughout the cosmos.

Great. Now show me your evidence for alien life.

As usual, I will wait right here.

HVAC

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On 3/28/2014 12:44 AM, mokme...@gmail.com wrote:
> Re: God.
>
> First proposed in 1964 by the Soviet astronomer Nikolai Kardashev is the Kardashev scale.
>
> The Kardashev scale measures a civilization's level of technological advancement, based on the amount of energy it uses.
>
> The scale has three designated categories called Type I, II, and III.
>
> A Type I civilization uses all available resources impinging on its home planet.
>
> Type II harnesses all the energy of its star.
>
> A Type III of its galaxy.

Idle speculation amounting to mental masturbation.
Just like the Drake 'equation'.

Mook, hopefully one day you will understand the
difference between science and science fiction.

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Indeed, the nicely sealed innards of our moon could offer a treasure trove of complex mineral saturated brines and even a fairly complex biodiversity of microbes because of the geode pockets and/or layers of water.

The innards of our moon could offer an ideal biosphere that's actually better protected than any place here on/within Earth.

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Element Number Weight Mass (1e28 kg)
Hydrogen 91.2000 71.0000 141.22610
Helium.. 8.7000 27.1000 53.90461
Oxygen.. 0.0870 0.9700 1.92943
Carbon.. 0.0430 0.0400 0.07956
Nitrogen 0.0088 0.0960 0.19095
Silicon. 0.0045 0.0990 0.19692
Magnesium 0.0038 0.0760 0.15117
Neon.... 0.0035 0.0580 0.11537
Iron.... 0.0030 0.1400 0.27847
Sulfur.. 0.0015 0.0400 0.07956
Total 198.15215

MINING THE SUN

These are the most abundant elements in the Sun. The first column counts atoms - the molar amounts - the second column counts weight. Now, if we pull all the nitrogen, oxygen, carbon, etc, out of the Sun we would have the following;

Mass
1e28 kg

0.2519 Mass of air
0.0585 Mass of oxygen
2.1047 Mass of Water
0.0006 Water vapour
2.1041 Water liquid

This is in terms of 1e28 kg! By comparison;

5.97e24 kg - Mass of Earth
1.41e21 kg - Mass of Earth's Oceans
5.15e18 kg - Mass of Earth's Atmosphere
1.84e12 kg - Mass of Earth's Biosphere

So,

2.1041e28 kg of liquid water is 14,922,700 times the mass of Earth's oceans.
0.2519e28 kg of air is 489,126,210 times the mass of Earth's atmosphere.

CH2 is representative of plastics, and organic materials, 0.09282e28 kg may be made from the Sun's reserve of carbon and hydrogen. This is 504,456,521,700,000 times the mass of Earth's biosphere.

Using ALL the silicon in the sun were used to make quartz0.42197e28 kg of quartz using 11.66% of the oxygen extracted reducing the amount of liquid water by that amount.

There is 0.27847e28 kg of iron, and adding 0.00030e28 kg of carbon (about one half of 1% of the total carbon) to that amount makes 0.27877e28 kg of steel.

http://www.sketchwiki.com/images/shading_sphere/shading-sphere-photo-002.JPG

http://reset-game.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/vanilla_morning-500x210.jpg

Now, a sphere has 4x the area of a circle the same diameter. For that reason, the average intensity of sunlight on Earth over a 24 hour period, for all latitudes, is 1/4 the intensity of sunlight above the atmosphere at 1 astronomical unit from the sun. Furthermore, the atmosphere scatters 38% of the light back into space, reducing the amount that makes it to the surface. For this reason, a shell 2.34 AU from the sun, has the same conditions on its interior as does the surface of the Earth. That is a sphere that has a radius of 349,943,924 km. A sphere this size has an area of 1.5389e24 sq meters.

Dividing this area into the masses just computed obtains the following;

STEEL 0.27877e28 kg / 1.5389e24 sq m = 1811.5 kg/m2 --> 22.64 cm thick steel plate (8.91 inches thick)

PLASTIC 0.09282e28 kg / 1.5389e24 sq m = 603.1 kg/m2 --> 40.20 cm thick plastic sheet (15.8 inches thick)

WATER 2.10470e28 kg / 1.5389e24 sq m = 13,676.8 kg/m2 --> 1,367.7 cm thick water layer (44.87 feet thick)

AIR 0.25190e28 kg / 1.5389e24 sq m = 1,636.8 kg/m2 --> 1,341.7 m thick air (at SL) (4,400 feet)

QUARTZ 0.42197e28 kg / 1.5389e24 sq m = 2,742.0 kg/m2 --> 103.4 cm thick quartz sheet (3.39 feet thick)

This is a sphere 3,021,597,890 times larger than the surface area of the entire Earth!

This is equivalent to 2.4622e+15 O'Neill Colony Three cylinders forming a Dyson Sphere at 2.34 AU from Sol.

Each 8 km in diameter and 32 km long with a 625 sq km level interior, with spherical end caps. Instead of the three windows as shown, Sunlight enters one end and illuminates the entire interior. The center lines of each separated by 28,209 meters at the large sphere just described.

With 100 tonnes of organic materials for every person, 400x the biomass per person as found on Earth, this system supports 9.28e21 persons. 3,769,799 persons per cylinder. 25 persons per acre. At a growth rate of 1.14% per year this population is attained in 2461.7 years - or 4475AD.

To lift the total mass 3.1502e28 kg out of the Sun, to solar escape velocity of 617.7 km/sec requires 6e39 Joules of energy. The sun itself lifting this material at current rates of energy production requires 492,358 years. This is a rate of production of 2.027 trillion tonnes per second from the Sun. Enough to build 158 colonies of the type shown, per second! That's 5 billion colonies per year!

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A distance of 10,000 light years gives humanity access to 125 million stars of which 9.2 million of these are G2 stars, stars very similar to the sun. Operating at 99% light speed requires a total delta vee of 99.499% light speed, which requires a mass ratio of positronium to payload of 19.95 to 1. Thus, each person, which requires 10 tonnes of material to survive and prosper in interstellar space, requires 199.5 tonnes of positronium.

Positronium is a Bose-Einstein condesate that has a density of 8 grams/cc. It is produced through the interaction of energetic squeezed photons and stored in crystalline lattices that require only 1/10,000th the mass of the positronium store. The positronium is easily converted to gamma rays, which are then stretched to produce lower energy photons, which are easily directed to produce energy or thrust on demand. An aerogel like crystalline sphere 7,810 mm in diameter massing only 200 kg empty carries 1995 metric tons of positronium.

A cylinder 20,000 mm long with a 7,810 mm spherical end cap carries an individual with all their equipment, supplies and environmental controls for long term survival in space and masses 7 tonnes empty and carries 3 tonnes of passengers and supplies.

The ship burns through 1862.9 kg of positronium in 2.57 years ship time, 6.81 years star time, accelerating at one gee all this time, ending the period moving at 99% light speed. Coasting for 1,410.67 years ship time, or 10,000 years star time, the ship arrives 10,000 light years from Sol. It turns on its positronium powered rocket again, and in another 2.57 years ship time, 6.81 years star time, accelerating at one gee again, it burns through another 132.1 kg of positronium, slowing the ship down to local star speed, leaving 10.0 tonnes at the target star over 10,000 light years from Earth and 10,013.62 years in the future - with only 1,415.81 years passing on board ship.

So, collect 1995 kg of positronium from the solar surface requires collecting solar energy on the solar surface with near perfect efficiency, and converting that energy to positronium and storing that positronium in the collecting surface. To collect this energy in a year on the solar surface requires 1.8e23 joules be collected in 31.56 million seconds. Or collecting energy at 5.69e15 watts!! With each square meter collecting 63.6 MW we require 89.44 sq km of solar collectors. The sphere, described above, operates as a storage medium, a collector, and a regenerator, of photons. It unfolds to this area and is 2.78 microns thick. Flying to the surface of a star, it unfolds and collects additional energy and converts it into positronium.

The automated collector, and propulsion system, also is capable of extracting metals from the star, or the sun, and extending its area. In this way, stars may be mined for material as well as energy.

282.4 million people leaving Sol per year requires a total area comprising 0.4% of the solar surface. This is 4% of the human population today.

YEAR TOTAL EARTH EMMIGRE PER STAR

2014 7057000000 7057000000 282280000 102275

2015 7137449800 6855169800 274206792 99386
2016 7215598735 6659111943 266364477 96543
2017 7291512611 6468661342 258746453 93816
2018 7365255350 6283657628 251346305 91133
2019 7436889046 6103945019 244157800 88559

2020 7506474019 5929372192 237174887 86057
2021 7574068861 5759792147 230391685 83596
2022 7639730491 5595062092 223802483 81235
2023 7703514198 5435043316 217401732 78911
2024 7765473691 5279601077 211184043 76682

2025 7825661143 5128604486 205144179 74489
2026 7884127234 4981926398 199277055 72385
2027 7940921194 4839443303 193577732 70340
2028 7996090847 4701035224 188041408 68329
2029 8049682648 4566585617 182663424 66374

2030 8101741724 4435981269 177439250 64499
2031 8152311910 4309112205 172364488 62677
2032 8201435789 4185871596 167434863 60885
2033 8249154725 4066155669 162646226 59165
2034 8295508899 3949863617 157994544 57473

2035 8340537344 3836897518 153475900 55850
2036 8384277975 3727162249 149086489 54252
2037 8426767624 3620565409 144822616 52720
2038 8468042069 3517017238 140680689 51231
2039 8508136065 3416430545 136657221 49765

2040 8547083373 3318720632 132748825 48360
2041 8584916788 3223805222 128952208 46977
2042 8621668167 3131604393 125264175 45633
2043 8657368457 3042040508 121681620 44360
2044 8692047718 2955038149 118201525 43076

2045 8725735152 2870524058 114820962 41874
2046 8758459126 2788427070 111537082 40677
2047 8790247194 2708678056 108347122 39513
2048 8821126123 2631209863 105248394 38397
2049 8851121915 2555957261 102238290 37313

2050 8880259827 2482856883 99314275 36246
2051 8908564395 2411847176 96473887 35222
2052 8936059452 2342868346 93714733 34214
2053 8962768151 2275862312 91034492 33248
2054 8988712981 2210772650 88430906 32297

2055 9013915789 2147544552 85901782 31385
2056 9038397796 2086124777 83444991 30487
2057 9062179618 2026461608 81058464 29626
2058 9085281280 1968504806 78740192 28789
2059 9107722234 1912205568 76488222 27966

2060 9129521377 1857516489 74300659 27166
2061 9150697064 1804391517 72175660 26399
2062 9171267127 1752785920 70111436 25653
2063 9191248886 1702656243 68106249 24919
2064 9210659167 1653960275 66158411 24216

2065 9229514314 1606657011 64266280 23532
2066 9247830203 1560706620 62428264 22850
2067 9265622258 1516070411 60642816 22213
2068 9282905460 1472710797 58908431 21578
2069 9299694363 1430591269 57223650 20961

2070 9316003103 1389676359 55587054 20376
2071 9331845413 1349931615 53997264 19786
2072 9347234633 1311323571 52452942 19227
2073 9362183721 1273819717 50952788 18684
2074 9376705265 1237388473 49495538 18150

2075 9390811493 1201999163 48079966 17637
2076 9404514283 1167621987 46704879 17139
2077 9417825173 1134227998 45369119 16649
2078 9430755372 1101789078 44071563 16173
2079 9443315767 1070277910 42811116 15716

2080 9455516935 1039667962 41586718 15272
2081 9467369149 1009933458 40397338 14835
2082 9478882390 981049361 39241974 14416
2083 9490066352 952991349 38119653 14004
2084 9500930453 925735797 37029431 13608

2085 9511483841 899259754 35970390 13219
2086 9521735402 873540925 34941637 12846
2087 9531693768 848557654 33942306 12478
2088 9541367325 824288905 32971556 12126
2089 9550764218 800714242 32028569 11783

2090 9559892360 777813815 31112552 11446
2091 9568759437 755568340 30222733 11119
2092 9577372916 733959086 29358363 10805
2093 9585740049 712967856 28518714 10500
2094 9593867882 692576975 27703079 10199

2095 9601763259 672769273 26910770 9911
2096 9609432828 653528072 26141122 9631
2097 9616883048 634837170 25393486 9356
2098 9624120191 616680827 24667233 9088
2099 9631150352 599043755 23961750 8832

2100 9637979450 581911103 23276444 8579
2101 9644613236 565268445 22610737 8340
2102 9651057296 549101768 21964070 8098
2103 9657317056 533397458 21335898 7870
2104 9663397787 518142291 20725691 7647

2105 9669304609 503323422 20132936 7429

The nearest is 9908 light years away. They won't arrive for another 9,908 years at the end of the period. They will all arrive the same year. Their technological capacities are 10,000 years behind Earth's - and their difference in capacities are less than 100 years.

Here's what happens when we

YEAR TOTAL EARTH EMMIGRE PER STAR RANGE

2014 7057000000 7057000000 282280000 70570000 400

2015 7137449800 6855169800 274206792 68551698 399
2016 7215598735 6659111943 266364477 53272895 398
2017 7291512611 6468661342 258746453 64686613 397
2018 7365255350 6283657628 251346305 50269261 396
2019 7436889046 6103945019 244157800 61039450 395

2020 7506474019 5929372192 237174887 59293721 394
2021 7574068861 5759792147 230391685 57597921 393
2022 7639730491 5595062092 223802483 44760496 392
2023 7703514198 5435043316 217401732 54350433 391
2024 7765473691 5279601077 211184043 52796010 390

2025 7825661143 5128604486 205144179 51286044 389
2026 7884127234 4981926398 199277055 49819263 388
2027 7940921194 4839443303 193577732 48394433 387
2028 7996090847 4701035224 188041408 47010352 386
2029 8049682648 4566585617 182663424 36532684 385

2030 8101741724 4435981269 177439250 44359812 384
2031 8152311910 4309112205 172364488 43091122 383
2032 8201435789 4185871596 167434863 41858715 382
2033 8249154725 4066155669 162646226 40661556 381
2034 8295508899 3949863617 157994544 39498636 380

2035 8340537344 3836897518 153475900 38368975 379
2036 8384277975 3727162249 149086489 37271622 378
2037 8426767624 3620565409 144822616 48274205 377
2038 8468042069 3517017238 140680689 35170172 376
2039 8508136065 3416430545 136657221 34164305 375

2040 8547083373 3318720632 132748825 33187206 374
2041 8584916788 3223805222 128952208 32238052 373
2042 8621668167 3131604393 125264175 31316043 372
2043 8657368457 3042040508 121681620 40560540 371
2044 8692047718 2955038149 118201525 29550381 370

2045 8725735152 2870524058 114820962 28705240 369
2046 8758459126 2788427070 111537082 27884270 368
2047 8790247194 2708678056 108347122 36115707 367
2048 8821126123 2631209863 105248394 26312098 366
2049 8851121915 2555957261 102238290 25559572 365

2050 8880259827 2482856883 99314275 33104758 364
2051 8908564395 2411847176 96473887 24118471 363
2052 8936059452 2342868346 93714733 23428683 362
2053 8962768151 2275862312 91034492 30344830 361
2054 8988712981 2210772650 88430906 22107726 360

2055 9013915789 2147544552 85901782 28633927 359
2056 9038397796 2086124777 83444991 20861247 358
2057 9062179618 2026461608 81058464 27019488 357
2058 9085281280 1968504806 78740192 19685048 356
2059 9107722234 1912205568 76488222 25496074 355

2060 9129521377 1857516489 74300659 18575164 354
2061 9150697064 1804391517 72175660 24058553 353
2062 9171267127 1752785920 70111436 17527859 352
2063 9191248886 1702656243 68106249 22702083 351
2064 9210659167 1653960275 66158411 22052803 350

2065 9229514314 1606657011 64266280 16066570 349
2066 9247830203 1560706620 62428264 20809421 348
2067 9265622258 1516070411 60642816 20214272 347
2068 9282905460 1472710797 58908431 14727107 346
2069 9299694363 1430591269 57223650 19074550 345

2070 9316003103 1389676359 55587054 18529018 344
2071 9331845413 1349931615 53997264 17999088 343
2072 9347234633 1311323571 52452942 13113235 342
2073 9362183721 1273819717 50952788 16984262 341
2074 9376705265 1237388473 49495538 16498512 340

2075 9390811493 1201999163 48079966 16026655 339
2076 9404514283 1167621987 46704879 15568293 338
2077 9417825173 1134227998 45369119 11342279 337
2078 9430755372 1101789078 44071563 14690521 336
2079 9443315767 1070277910 42811116 14270372 335

2080 9455516935 1039667962 41586718 13862239 334
2081 9467369149 1009933458 40397338 13465779 333
2082 9478882390 981049361 39241974 13080658 332
2083 9490066352 952991349 38119653 12706551 331
2084 9500930453 925735797 37029431 12343143 330

2085 9511483841 899259754 35970390 11990130 329
2086 9521735402 873540925 34941637 11647212 328
2087 9531693768 848557654 33942306 11314102 327
2088 9541367325 824288905 32971556 10990518 326
2089 9550764218 800714242 32028569 10676189 325

2090 9559892360 777813815 31112552 15556276 324
2091 9568759437 755568340 30222733 10074244 323
2092 9577372916 733959086 29358363 9786121 322
2093 9585740049 712967856 28518714 9506238 321
2094 9593867882 692576975 27703079 9234359 320

2095 9601763259 672769273 26910770 8970256 319
2096 9609432828 653528072 26141122 13070561 318
2097 9616883048 634837170 25393486 8464495 317
2098 9624120191 616680827 24667233 8222411 316
2099 9631150352 599043755 23961750 7987250 315

2100 9637979450 581911103 23276444 11638222 314
2101 9644613236 565268445 22610737 7536912 313
2102 9651057296 549101768 21964070 7321356 312
2103 9657317056 533397458 21335898 10667949 311
2104 9663397787 518142291 20725691 6908563 310

2105 9669304609 503323422 20132936 6710978 309

Here we start 400 light years radius and roll back to 309 light year radius. We start with 70 million per G2 type star, and drop to 6.7 million per G2 type star. At 99% light speed 56.42 years ship time, with a little over 5 years of boost time - a 62 year trip ship time, 412 years star time. The inner most shell takes 43.59 years ship time in transit, 49 year ship total trip time. 321 year star time.

G=EMC^2TreBert

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On Saturday, March 22, 2014 8:02:55 PM UTC-4, parkstre...@gmail.com wrote:
> I used to think that it would be impossible for Aliens to exist on our planet, the planet Earth. Since travel faster than light is impossible according to most scientists, it would take aliens quite a long time to get here, even if they came from the closest star. Now, what if Aliens had a really long life span, in the tens of thousands of years. Or what if they built a multi generational ship. Life forms get on, beget children, these children beget children and so on until they find a planet what's habitable. Or perhaps Alien life is so out there that we can't comprehend it. They could travel in radio waves etc.

WE HAVE TO BASE All life to be meaningful on us.life that looks up and ponders. T find another humankind planet isn about a trillion to one.All else is sci-fiction. Sad but reality. TreBert

Brad Guth

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It's more likely a thousand to one odds of other planets hosting complex life.

In other words, out of every thousand planets there's good odds of at least on average one of those hosting complex life that's more or less similar to terrestrial life.

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Inside of Mercury could be ideally failsafe and cozy, and because TBMs can operate as mostly robotic with only scheduled maintenance per km in need of human attention, would make the interior of Mercury into our next home sweet home.

Should be lots of mineral brines inside.

duke

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Tao couldn't come up with the $,

The Dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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Dakota

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What happens if you don't?

Free Lunch

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On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 17:26:31 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
wrote in alt.atheism:

My governor hates trains. He prefers to lose a billion dollars than let
a good train run.

Tom McDonald

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Apr 7, 2014, 7:44:51 PM4/7/14

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That still grinds my gears. Hundreds of good jobs and billions of
dollars out the window for...what, exactly? Does he get paid that well
by contractors and oil folks?

Wait. Remember the 'David Koch' prank call? I answer my own question.

mokme...@gmail.com

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Its not the money its the power that's the issue. All can live as billionaires live today with appropriate application of technology. All would live in peace as well. All war, all crime, all terror, all scarcity, all disease, is the result of a carefully planned campaign by those who benefit from war, benefit from crime, benefit from terror, benefit from scarcity, benefit from disease.

In the opera - Hijo de la Luna - Mecano singer - Ana Torroja observes;

Moon, you want to be a mother
and not find yourself wanting
that makes you a woman .

then asks;

Tell me , silver moon ,
what you intend to do
with a child of flesh .
Moonchild .

to which the moon replies

if the child cries
the moon will wane
to make him a cradle .

And if the child cries
the moon will wane
to make him a cradle

To which the singer replies with Tsiolkovsky's 1916 observation;

A planet is the cradle,
of the mind,
one cannot live
in a cradle
forever.

— Konstantin E. Tsiokovsky, astronautics pioneer. Original Russian: "Планета есть колыбель разума, но нельзя вечно жить в колыбели."

Ana Torroja - original Spanish 1987

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpItXkwKrcw

If we are blind to the great beauty of our own species, merely because they are slightly different than ourselves, how can we expect any other intelligence that diverges from us in larger ways to expect any respect, or to respect anything we do.

You get what you give to the cosmos.

Brad Guth

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On Monday, April 7, 2014 8:37:42 PM UTC-7, mokme...@gmail.com wrote:
> Its not the money its the power that's the issue. All can live as billionaires live today with appropriate application of technology. All would live in peace as well. All war, all crime, all terror, all scarcity, all disease, is the result of a carefully planned campaign by those who benefit from war, benefit from crime, benefit from terror, benefit from scarcity, benefit from disease.

No, don't be silly. The lower 99.9999% caste can not live or much less advance anything like the oligarchs, Bilderbergs or Rothschilds.

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You are brainwashed by the memes placed before you. So, your silly and baseless assertion has no merit. Sorry.

Consider de Villa un Jardin Ephrussi de Rotschild

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eT_Klaac0E

http://www.villa-ephrussi.com/en/home

Villa Ephrussi de Rothschild, also called villa Île-de-France, is a French seaside villa located at Saint-Jean-Cap-Ferrat on the French Riviera.

The villa was designed by the French architect Aaron Messiah, and constructed between 1905 and 1912 by Baroness Béatrice de Rothschild (1864–1934) .

A member of the Rothschild banking family and the wife of the banker Baron Maurice de Ephrussi, Béatrice de Rothschild built her rose-colored villa on a promontory on the isthmus of Cap Ferrat overlooking the Mediterranean Sea. The Baroness filled the mansion with antique furniture, Old Master paintings, sculptures, objets d'art, and assembled an extensive collection of rare porcelain. The gardens are classified by the French Ministry of Culture as one of the Notable Gardens of France.

On her death in 1934, the Baroness donated the property and its collections to the Académie des Beaux Arts division of the Institut de France and it is now open to the public.

The villa is surrounded by nine gardens, each on a different theme: Florentine, Spanish, Garden à la française, exotic, a stone garden, a Japanese garden, a rose garden, Provençal and a garden de Sèvres. They were created between 1905 and 1912 under the direction of landscape architect Achille Duchêne.

The garden was conceived in the form of a ship, to be viewed from the loggia of the house, which was like the bridge of a vessel, with the sea visible on all sides. It was inspired by voyage she made on the liner Île de France, and the villa was given that name. The thirty gardeners who maintained the garden were dressed as sailors, with berets with red pom poms.

The Garden à la française is the largest garden, and occupies the area behind the villa. Next to the villa is a terrace with a formal French garden and topiaries. Beyond the terrace is a park with palm trees and a long basin, ornamented with fountains, statues, and basins with water lilies and other aquatic plants. On the far end of the park is a hill covered with cypress trees, surrounding a replica garden of the temple of Love at the Grand Trianon palace. The slope below temple has a cascade of water in the form of a stairway, which feeds into the large basin.

A stairway from the French garden descends to the circle of gardens on the lower level. The Spanish garden features a shaded courtyard and fountain, with aromatic plants, Catalan amphorae, and a gallo-roman bench. The Florentine garden, facing the rade of Villefranche, has a grand stairway, an artificial grotto, and an ephebe of marble. Beyond the Florentine garden is the lapidary, or stone garden, with an assortment of gargoyles, columns, and other architectural elements from ancient and medieval buildings. the Japanese garden has a wooden pavilion, a bridge, and lanterns. The exotic garden features giant cactus and other rare plants. A rose garden with a statue surrounded by columns adjoins it, with pink, the favorite color of the owner, the predominant color. On the east side of the villa is a garden of native plants of Provence and a garden with decorations of sevres porcelain.

The villa was registered as a historical monument in 1996.

Or what about Waddeson Manor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f4lOtnNwc8

http://www.waddesdon.org.uk/

Waddesdon Manor is a country house in the village of Waddesdon, in Buckinghamshire, England. The house was built in the Neo-Renaissance style of a French château between 1874 and 1889 for Baron Ferdinand de Rothschild (1839–1898). Since this was the preferred style of the Rothschilds it became also known as the Goût Rothschild. The house, set in formal gardens and an English landscape park, was built on a barren hilltop overlooking Waddesdon village.

The last member of the Rothschild family to own Waddesdon was James de Rothschild. He bequeathed the house and its contents to the National Trust in 1957. Today, following an extensive restoration, it is administered by a Rothschild charitable trust that is overseen by Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild. In 2007–08 it was the National Trust's second most visited paid-entry property, with 386,544 visitors.

History

The Baron wanted a house in the style of the great Renaissance châteaux of the Loire Valley. The Baron, a member of the Viennese branch of the Rothschild banking dynasty, chose as his architect Gabriel-Hippolyte Destailleur. Destailleur was already experienced in working in this style, having overseen the restoration of many châteaux in that region, in particular that of the Château de Mouchy. Through Destailleur's vision, Waddesdon embodied an eclectic style based on the châteaux so admired by his patron, Baron Ferdinand. The towers at Waddesdon were based on those of the Château de Maintenon, and the twin staircase towers, on the north facade, were inspired by the staircase tower at the Château de Chambord. However, following the theme of unparalleled luxury at Waddesdon, the windows of the towers at Waddesdon were glazed, unlike those of the staircase at Chambord. They are also far more ornate.

The structural design of Waddesdon, however, was not all retrospective. Hidden from view were the most modern innovations of the late 19th century including a steel frame, which took the strain of walls on the upper floors, which consequently permitted the layout of these floors to differ completely from the lower floors.[5] The house also had hot and cold running water in its bathrooms, central heating, and an electric bell system to summon the numerous servants. The building contractor was Edward Conder & Son. He inspired the architects to build the Château de Trévarez in France.
The towers were modelled on the towers of Château de Maintenon.
One of the twin staircase-towers inspired by those at the Château de Chambord.

Furnishings

Once his château was complete, Baron Ferdinand installed his extensive collections of French 18th-century tapestries, boiseries, furniture and ceramics, English and Dutch paintings and Renaissance works of art. Extensive landscaping was carried out and the gardens enhanced with statuary, pavilions and an aviary. The Proserpina fountain was brought to the manor at the end of the 19th century from the Palace of the Dukes of Parma in northern Italy: the Ducal Palace of Colorno.

Gardens

The gardens and landscape park were laid out by the French landscape architect Elie Lainé. An attempt was made to transplant full-grown trees by chloroforming their roots, to limit the shock. While this novel idea was unsuccessful, many very large trees were successfully transplanted, causing the grounds to be such a wonder of their day that, in 1890, Queen Victoria invited herself to view them. The Queen was, however, more impressed by the electric lighting in the house than the wonders of the park. Fascinated by the invention she had not seen before, she is reported to have spent ten minutes switching a newly electrified 18th-century chandelier on and off.

When Baron Ferdinand died in 1898, the house passed to his sister Alice de Rothschild, who further developed the collections.[8] Baron Ferdinand's collection of Renaissance works and a collection of arms were both bequeathed to the British Museum as the "Waddesdon Bequest". During World War II, children under the age of five were evacuated from London and lived at Waddesdon Manor.

Following Alice de Rothschild's death in 1922, the property and collections passed to her great-nephew James A. "Jimmy" de Rothschild of the French branch of the family, who further enriched it with objects from the collections of his late father Baron Edmond James de Rothschild of Paris.[9]

When James de Rothschild died in 1957, he bequeathed Waddesdon Manor, 200 acres (0.81 km2) of grounds and its contents to the National Trust, to be preserved for posterity. The Trust also received their largest ever endowment from him: £750,000 (£15,310,270 as of 2014),

A nearby ancillary property, The Pavilion at Eythrope, had been constructed for Alice de Rothschild by the architect George Devey. This became the home of James de Rothschild's widow, Dorothy de Rothschild, usually known as "Mrs James"; she took a very keen interest in Waddesdon for the remainder of her long life. Eythrope and the rest of the Waddesdon estate remain the property of her heir, the 4th Lord Rothschild.

Jacob Rothschild, 4th Lord Rothschild, has recently been a major benefactor of Waddesdon Manor through The Alice Trust, a registered charity headed by the Rothschild family.[11] In an unprecedented arrangement, he was given authority by the National Trust in 1993 to run Waddesdon Manor as a semi-independent operation. The Trust has overseen a major restoration, and enhanced the visitor attractions. The Alice Trust has also acquired works of art to complement the existing collections at Waddesdon, such as Le Faiseur de Châteaux de Cartes by Jean-Baptiste-Siméon Chardin, added in 2007. In 2007–08 the charity had a gross income of over £13 million and assets of over £88 million.

In a burglary on 10 June 2003 by the Johnson Gang, approximately 100 priceless French gold snuff boxes and bejewelled trifles were stolen from the collection. None of them were recovered intact, though fragments of a few were found amid melted gold in the burnt wreckage of a motor vehicle close to the Manor. These irreplaceable artefacts, many encrusted with diamonds, had belonged to, among others, Marie Antoinette and Madame de Pompadour.

A prominent feature in the contemporary garden is the sculpture Horse and Cart by one of the Young British Artists, Sarah Lucas; it depicts a life-sized Suffolk Punch draught horse pulling a cart filled with marrows. Angus Fairhurst also has a piece in the gardens.

In 2012, it was announced that Waddesdon Manor would be one of the sites for Jubilee Woodlands, designated by the Woodland Trust to commemorate Queen Elizabeth II's Diamond Jubilee.

Alright, we have the plans, and the detailed descriptions far more detailed than can be related here, of these two grand properties. We might say these two properties are representative of the essential elements that we associate with the power and grandeur of the Rothschild name.

I should say that if you were surrounded in the Luxury of these abodes, tended by the ministrations of a dozen to three dozen humaniform human level intelligence robots 24/7 - supported by a supply chain to produce any manner of object you desire, you might have an inkling of what its like to live on the scale a Rothschild lives.

First off, you can, if you save your pennies, visit Waddesdon or le Jardin. You are welcome to rent its rooms, savour its quisine, and spend a restful night, or fortnight at either of these palaces.

Yet, there are 7.06 billions of us, and if all were to live as we wished, each of us would live with our closest relatives on this scale, perhaps. Or less. So, this scale - two homes per family - average family size, varies by each person's situation, but world wide, 4.6 per household. So, 7.06 billions divided by 4.6 persons per household times 2 homes. That's 3.07 billions of these palatial estates, equipped with 61.4 billions humaniform human level intelligent robots, appropriately programmed to render all services required of them by their owners.

We would, of course, without this grand scale of living, be as Rothschilds in many ways. We would be, in fact, sovereign, and our titles would be Alloidal, and our rights would not be granted, but inherent... yet I digress from the sheer physical requirements of 3.07 billion estates equipped with 61.4 billion robots, and trillions more smaller automatons.

Waddesdon as it was gifted to the Crown, sits on 200 acres today. Yet the home itself sits in the central Garden of only 6.5 acres.

The Jardin Ephussi de Rotschild is only 125 meters wide and fully 80% of those estates gardens, including all the most popular gardens would be included in the property of 6.5 acres.

3.07 billion sites of this size is only 15.9% the size of the Earth's land area. I have spoken extensively of the ease with which all the materials for this manner of construction may be obtained from swarms of self-replicating machinery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAoW1iA385w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZuukXXEFPg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdbJP8Gxqog

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WWHpWgaq7I

Now, the energy required for each of these homes is substantial by typical standards, yet are small compared to the energy resources we have available around us. Large as these are they are small compared to the energy cost of jetting around the world on demand, or doing something not even the Rothschilds can do today, travel by ballistic missile at a constant 2 gee with optimal snap to any point on Earth in 42 minutes or less.

I've gone into these figures before, and they are easily attained. Against these figures for transport, and raw material extraction from waste and rock, home heating and cooling, lighting and ventilating, cleaning and cooking, are as nothing. Against these costs, manufacturing, services, communications, security, and so forth, are even less costly.

To maintain health requires that we eat no more than a certain amount, and no less, drink no more water than a certain amount, and no less. While the Rothschilds and other elite may routinely spend $50,000 or more on a bauble or shoes, or a dress, or slacks, $1,500 for a drink, the total amount of time and attention, the quality and materiel used, is not 10,000x that of a similar $5 pair of shoes.

With automated systems of production and an automated supply chain these are merely constants for each person. So, we can say with certainty that the total infrastructure to maintain

http://www.scribd.com/doc/77588930/Brand-New-World

La Lune

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96iaZreNPCY

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Zasvit mu do daleka,
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"To maintain health requires that we eat no more than a certain amount, and no less, drink no more water than a certain amount, and no less. While the Rothschilds and other elite may routinely spend $50,000 or more on a bauble or shoes, or a dress, or slacks, $1,500 for a drink, the total amount of time and attention, the quality and materiel used, is not 10,000x that of a similar $5 pair of shoes."

And you seen nothing wrong with maintaining this wealth disparity.

How can we afford the upper .0001% caste that's spending 10,000 times as much to live large and otherwise controlling most everything and typically preventing any significant advancements by the lower 99.9999% caste?

The proxy wars and intentional destabilizing of nations with resources of food, minerals or raw elements doesn't exactly help anyone except the upper .0001% caste. Are you suggesting this is a good thing?

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How does - creating two $200 million residences with twenty humaniform robots driven by superhuman AI supplying anything anyone could ever want - equate to 'maintaining wealth disparity' in your mind?

I don't get that.

> How can we afford the upper .0001% caste that's spending 10,000 times as much to live large and otherwise controlling most everything and typically preventing any significant advancements by the lower 99.9999% caste?

Preventing others from enjoying what they could easily enjoy without your intervention is called artificial scarcity and has nothing to do with what you are enjoying.

The fact that scarcity is artificially induced and maintained is an important point to anyone who wants to end scarcity. Scarcity doesn't derive from over-consumption. That's a meme promoted by the elite so that the majority are content with less than they otherwise might. In that way they attain and enlarge political power.

Scarcity does derive from under-production. This is the rationale behind every regulation that restricts controls or otherwise limits production.

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I am suggesting that all scarcity is artificially induced and maintained by those who gain political power from that situation. Any realistic analysis of the physical needs of all of us, even when consuming at the scale the elite consume, shows that we have the capacity to maintain very high living standards for all.

THIS IS THE POINT OF ALL WARFARE - TO MAINTAIN DISPARITY OF POWER.

I am proposing that an automated system be installed and that ALL be given everything they could desire all the time at no cost. This would destroy the present privations of the world.

This is the end point of the much averted industrial revolution.

An all-round increase in wealth threatened the destruction - indeed, in some sense was the destruction - of a hierarchical society. In a world in which everyone worked short hours, had enough to eat, lived in a house with a bathroom and a refrigerator, and possessed a motor-car or even an aeroplane, the most obvious and perhaps the most important form of inequality would already have disappeared. If it once became general, wealth would confer no distinction. It was possible, no doubt, to imagine a society in which wealth, in the sense of personal possessions and luxuries, should be evenly distributed, while power remained in the hands of a small privileged caste. But in practice such a society could not long remain stable. For if leisure and security were enjoyed by all alike, the great mass of human beings who are normally stupefied by poverty would become literate and would learn to think for themselves; and when once they had done this, they would sooner or later realize that the privileged minority had no function, and they would sweep it away. In the long run, a hierarchical society was only possible on a basis of poverty and ignorance.

Note

This is most popularly recounted in 'Chapter III of The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism by Emmanuel Goldstein', the book that Winston Smith is reading in George Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty-Four" before being arrested.

If somebody wants to know where the current idea of a never ending war (in this case against terrorism) comes from, here is the answer.

A lucid analysis of the function of war and why war (and terrorism) will forever be with us unless we deal with and dispose of state and super-state power once for all.

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Emmanuel Goldstein
(George Orwell)
War is Peace
(1949)

The splitting-up of the world into three great super-states was an event which could be and indeed was foreseen before the middle of the twentieth century. With the absorption of Europe by Russia and of the British Empire by the United States, two of the three existing powers, Eurasia and Oceania, were already effectively in being. The third, Eastasia, only emerged as a distinct unit after another decade of confused fighting. The frontiers between the three super-states are in some places arbitrary, and in others they fluctuate according to the fortunes of war, but in general they follow geographical lines. Eurasia comprises the whole of the northern part of the European and Asiatic land-mass, from Portugal to the Bering Strait. Oceania comprises the Americas, the Atlantic islands including the British Isles, Australasia, and the southern portion of Africa. Eastasia, smaller than the others and with a less definite western frontier, comprises China and the countries to the south of it, the Japanese islands and a large but fluctuating portion of Manchuria, Mongolia, and Tibet.

In one combination or another, these three super-states are permanently at war, and have been so for the past twenty-five years. War, however, is no longer the desperate, annihilating struggle that it was in the early decades of the twentieth century. It is a warfare of limited aims between combatants who are unable to destroy one another, have no material cause for fighting and are not divided by any genuine ideological difference. This is not to say that either the conduct of war, or the prevailing attitude towards it, has become less bloodthirsty or more chivalrous. On the contrary, war hysteria is continuous and universal in all countries, and such acts as raping, looting, the slaughter of children, the reduction of whole populations to slavery, and reprisals against prisoners which extend even to boiling and burying alive, are looked upon as normal, and, when they are committed by one's own side and not by the enemy, meritorious. But in a physical sense war involves very small numbers of people, mostly highly-trained specialists, and causes comparatively few casualties. The fighting, when there is any, takes place on the vague frontiers whose whereabouts the average man can only guess at, or round the Floating Fortresses which guard strategic spots on the sea lanes. In the centres of civilization war means no more than a continuous shortage of consumption goods, and the occasional crash of a rocket bomb which may cause a few scores of deaths. War has in fact changed its character. More exactly, the reasons for which war is waged have changed in their order of importance. Motives which were already present to some small extent in the great wars of the early twentieth century have now become dominant and are consciously recognized and acted upon.

To understand the nature of the present war - for in spite of the regrouping which occurs every few years, it is always the same war - one must realize in the first place that it is impossible for it to be decisive. None of the three super-states could be definitively conquered even by the other two in combination. They are too evenly matched, and their natural defences are too formidable. Eurasia is protected by its vast land spaces. Oceania by the width of the Atlantic and the Pacific, Eastasia by the fecundity and industriousness of its inhabitants. Secondly, there is no longer, in a material sense, anything to fight about. With the establishment of self-contained economies, in which production and consumption are geared to one another, the scramble for markets which was a main cause of previous wars has come to an end, while the competition for raw materials is no longer a matter of life and death. In any case each of the three super-states is so vast that it can obtain almost all the materials that it needs within its own boundaries. In so far as the war has a direct economic purpose, it is a war for labour power. Between the frontiers of the super-states, and not permanently in the possession of any of them, there lies a rough quadrilateral with its corners at Tangier, Brazzaville, Darwin, and Hong Kong, containing within it about a fifth of the population of the earth. It is for the possession of these thickly-populated regions, and of the northern ice-cap, that the three powers are constantly struggling. In practice no one power ever controls the whole of the disputed area. Portions of it are constantly changing hands, and it is the chance of seizing this or that fragment by a sudden stroke of treachery that dictates the endless changes of alignment.

All of the disputed territories contain valuable minerals, and some of them yield important vegetable products such as rubber which in colder climates it is necessary to synthesize by comparatively expensive methods. But above all they contain a bottomless reserve of cheap labour. Whichever power controls equatorial Africa, or the countries of the Middle East, or Southern India, or the Indonesian Archipelago, disposes also of the bodies of scores or hundreds of millions of ill-paid and hard-working coolies. The inhabitants of these areas, reduced more or less openly to the status of slaves, pass continually from conqueror to conqueror, and are expended like so much coal or oil in the race to turn out more armaments, to capture more territory, to control more labour power, to turn out more armaments, to capture more territory, and so on indefinitely. It should be noted that the fighting never really moves beyond the edges of the disputed areas. The frontiers of Eurasia flow back and forth between the basin of the Congo and the northern shore of the Mediterranean; the islands of the Indian Ocean and the Pacific are constantly being captured and recaptured by Oceania or by Eastasia; in Mongolia the dividing line between Eurasia and Eastasia is never stable; round the Pole all three powers lay claim to enormous territories which in fact are largely uninhabited and unexplored: but the balance of power always remains roughly even, and the territory which forms the heartland of each super-state always remains inviolate. Moreover, the labour of the exploited peoples round the Equator is not really necessary to the world's economy. They add nothing to the wealth of the world, since whatever they produce is used for purposes of war, and the object of waging a war is always to be in a better position in which to wage another war. By their labour the slave populations allow the tempo of continuous warfare to be speeded up. But if they did not exist, the structure of world society, and the process by which it maintains itself, would not be essentially different.

The primary aim of modern warfare (in accordance with the principles of doublethink, this aim is simultaneously recognized and not recognized by the directing brains of the Inner Party) is to use up the products of the machine without raising the general standard of living. Ever since the end of the nineteenth century, the problem of what to do with the surplus of consumption goods has been latent in industrial society. At present, when few human beings even have enough to eat, this problem is obviously not urgent, and it might not have become so, even if no artificial processes of destruction had been at work. The world of today is a bare, hungry, dilapidated place compared with the world that existed before 1914, and still more so if compared with the imaginary future to which the people of that period looked forward. In the early twentieth century, the vision of a future society unbelievably rich, leisured, orderly, and efficient - a glittering antiseptic world of glass and steel and snow-white concrete - was part of the consciousness of nearly every literate person. Science and technology were developing at a prodigious speed, and it seemed natural to assume that they would go on developing. This failed to happen, partly because of the impoverishment caused by a long series of wars and revolutions, partly because scientific and technical progress depended on the empirical habit of thought, which could not survive in a strictly regimented society. As a whole the world is more primitive today than it was fifty years ago. Certain backward areas have advanced, and various devices, always in some way connected with warfare and police espionage, have been developed, but experiment and invention have largely stopped, and the ravages of the atomic war of the nineteen-fifties have never been fully repaired. Nevertheless the dangers inherent in the machine are still there. From the moment when the machine first made its appearance it was clear to all thinking people that the need for human drudgery, and therefore to a great extent for human inequality, had disappeared. If the machine were used deliberately for that end, hunger, overwork, dirt, illiteracy, and disease could be eliminated within a few generations. And in fact, without being used for any such purpose, but by a sort of automatic process - by producing wealth which it was sometimes impossible not to distribute - the machine did raise the living standards of the average human being very greatly over a period of about fifty years at the end of the nineteenth and the beginning of the twentieth centuries.

But it was also clear that an all-round increase in wealth threatened the destruction - indeed, in some sense was the destruction - of a hierarchical society. In a world in which everyone worked short hours, had enough to eat, lived in a house with a bathroom and a refrigerator, and possessed a motor-car or even an aeroplane, the most obvious and perhaps the most important form of inequality would already have disappeared. If it once became general, wealth would confer no distinction. It was possible, no doubt, to imagine a society in which wealth, in the sense of personal possessions and luxuries, should be evenly distributed, while power remained in the hands of a small privileged caste. But in practice such a society could not long remain stable. For if leisure and security were enjoyed by all alike, the great mass of human beings who are normally stupefied by poverty would become literate and would learn to think for themselves; and when once they had done this, they would sooner or later realize that the privileged minority had no function, and they would sweep it away. In the long run, a hierarchical society was only possible on a basis of poverty and ignorance. To return to the agricultural past, as some thinkers about the beginning of the twentieth century dreamed of doing, was not a practicable solution. It conflicted with the tendency towards mechanization which had become quasi-instinctive throughout almost the whole world, and moreover, any country which remained industrially backward was helpless in a military sense and was bound to be dominated, directly or indirectly, by its more advanced rivals.

Nor was it a satisfactory solution to keep the masses in poverty by restricting the output of goods. This happened to a great extent during the final phase of capitalism, roughly between 1920 and 1940. The economy of many countries was allowed to stagnate, land went out of cultivation, capital equipment was not added to, great blocks of the population were prevented from working and kept half alive by State charity. But this, too, entailed military weakness, and since the privations it inflicted were obviously unnecessary, it made opposition inevitable. The problem was how to keep the wheels of industry turning without increasing the real wealth of the world. Goods must be produced, but they must not be distributed. And in practice the only way of achieving this was by continuous warfare.

The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labour. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent. Even when weapons of war are not actually destroyed, their manufacture is still a convenient way of expending labour power without producing anything that can be consumed. A Floating Fortress, for example, has locked up in it the labour that would build several hundred cargo-ships. Ultimately it is scrapped as obsolete, never having brought any material benefit to anybody, and with further enormous labours another Floating Fortress is built. In principle the war effort is always so planned as to eat up any surplus that might exist after meeting the bare needs of the population. In practice the needs of the population are always underestimated, with the result that there is a chronic shortage of half the necessities of life; but this is looked on as an advantage. It is deliberate policy to keep even the favoured groups somewhere near the brink of hardship, because a general state of scarcity increases the importance of small privileges and thus magnifies the distinction between one group and another. By the standards of the early twentieth century, even a member of the Inner Party lives an austere, laborious kind of life. Nevertheless, the few luxuries that he does enjoy - his large, well-appointed flat, the better texture of his clothes, the better quality of his food and drink and tobacco, his two or three servants, his private motor-car or helicopter - set him in a different world from a member of the Outer Party, and the members of the Outer Party have a similar advantage in comparison with the submerged masses whom we call 'the proles'. The social atmosphere is that of a besieged city, where the possession of a lump of horseflesh makes the difference between wealth and poverty. And at the same time the consciousness of being at war, and therefore in danger, makes the handing-over of all power to a small caste seem the natural, unavoidable condition of survival.

War, it will be seen, accomplishes the necessary destruction, but accomplishes it in a psychologically acceptable way. In principle it would be quite simple to waste the surplus labour of the world by building temples and pyramids, by digging holes and filling them up again, or even by producing vast quantities of goods and then setting fire to them. But this would provide only the economic and not the emotional basis for a hierarchical society. What is concerned here is not the morale of masses, whose attitude is unimportant so long as they are kept steadily at work, but the morale of the Party itself. Even the humblest Party member is expected to be competent, industrious, and even intelligent within narrow limits, but it is also necessary that he should be a credulous and ignorant fanatic whose prevailing moods are fear, hatred, adulation, and orgiastic triumph. In other words it is necessary that he should have the mentality appropriate to a state of war. It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going well or badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist. The splitting of the intelligence which the Party requires of its members, and which is more easily achieved in an atmosphere of war, is now almost universal, but the higher up the ranks one goes, the more marked it becomes. It is precisely in the Inner Party that war hysteria and hatred of the enemy are strongest. In his capacity as an administrator, it is often necessary for a member of the Inner Party to know that this or that item of war news is untruthful, and he may often be aware that the entire war is spurious and is either not happening or is being waged for purposes quite other than the declared ones: but such knowledge is easily neutralized by the technique of doublethink. Meanwhile no Inner Party member wavers for an instant in his mystical belief that the war is real, and that it is bound to end victoriously, with Oceania the undisputed master of the entire world.

All members of the Inner Party believe in this coming conquest as an article of faith. It is to be achieved either by gradually acquiring more and more territory and so building up an overwhelming preponderance of power, or by the discovery of some new and unanswerable weapon. The search for new weapons continues unceasingly, and is one of the very few remaining activities in which the inventive or speculative type of mind can find any outlet. In Oceania at the present day, Science, in the old sense, has almost ceased to exist. In Newspeak there is no word for 'Science'. The empirical method of thought, on which all the scientific achievements of the past were founded, is opposed to the most fundamental principles of Ingsoc. And even technological progress only happens when its products can in some way be used for the diminution of human liberty. In all the useful arts the world is either standing still or going backwards. The fields are cultivated with horse-ploughs while books are written by machinery. But in matters of vital importance - meaning, in effect, war and police espionage - the empirical approach is still encouraged, or at least tolerated. The two aims of the Party are to conquer the whole surface of the earth and to extinguish once and for all the possibility of independent thought. There are therefore two great problems which the Party is concerned to solve. One is how to discover, against his will, what another human being is thinking, and the other is how to kill several hundred million people in a few seconds without giving warning beforehand. In so far as scientific research still continues, this is its subject matter. The scientist of today is either a mixture of psychologist and inquisitor, studying with real ordinary minuteness the meaning of facial expressions, gestures, and tones of voice, and testing the truth-producing effects of drugs, shock therapy, hypnosis, and physical torture; or he is chemist, physicist, or biologist concerned only with such branches of his special subject as are relevant to the taking of life. In the vast laboratories of the Ministry of Peace, and in the experimental stations hidden in the Brazilian forests, or in the Australian desert, or on lost islands of the Antarctic, the teams of experts are indefatigably at work. Some are concerned simply with planning the logistics of future wars; others devise larger and larger rocket bombs, more and more powerful explosives, and more and more impenetrable armour-plating; others search for new and deadlier gases, or for soluble poisons capable of being produced in such quantities as to destroy the vegetation of whole continents, or for breeds of disease germs immunized against all possible antibodies; others strive to produce a vehicle that shall bore its way under the soil like a submarine under the water, or an aeroplane as independent of its base as a sailing-ship; others explore even remoter possibilities such as focusing the sun's rays through lenses suspended thousands of kilometres away in space, or producing artificial earthquakes and tidal waves by tapping the heat at the earth's centre.

But none of these projects ever comes anywhere near realization, and none of the three super-states ever gains a significant lead on the others. What is more remarkable is that all three powers already possess, in the atomic bomb, a weapon far more powerful than any that their present researches are likely to discover. Although the Party, according to its habit, claims the invention for itself, atomic bombs first appeared as early as the nineteen-forties, and were first used on a large scale about ten years later. At that time some hundreds of bombs were dropped on industrial centres, chiefly in European Russia, Western Europe, and North America. The effect was to convince the ruling groups of all countries that a few more atomic bombs would mean the end of organized society, and hence of their own power. Thereafter, although no formal agreement was ever made or hinted at, no more bombs were dropped. All three powers merely continue to produce atomic bombs and store them up against the decisive opportunity which they all believe will come sooner or later. And meanwhile the art of war has remained almost stationary for thirty or forty years. Helicopters are more used than they were formerly, bombing planes have been largely superseded by self-propelled projectiles, and the fragile movable battleship has given way to the almost unsinkable Floating Fortress; but otherwise there has been little development. The tank, the submarine, the torpedo, the machine gun, even the rifle and the hand grenade are still in use. And in spite of the endless slaughters reported in the Press and on the telescreens, the desperate battles of earlier wars, in which hundreds of thousands or even millions of men were often killed in a few weeks, have never been repeated.

None of the three super-states ever attempts any manoeuvre which involves the risk of serious defeat. When any large operation is undertaken, it is usually a surprise attack against an ally. The strategy that all three powers are following, or pretend to themselves that they are following, is the same. The plan is, by a combination of fighting, bargaining, and well-timed strokes of treachery, to acquire a ring of bases completely encircling one or other of the rival states, and then to sign a pact of friendship with that rival and remain on peaceful terms for so many years as to lull suspicion to sleep. During this time rockets loaded with atomic bombs can be assembled at all the strategic spots; finally they will all be fired simultaneously, with effects so devastating as to make retaliation impossible. It will then be time to sign a pact of friendship with the remaining world-power, in preparation for another attack. This scheme, it is hardly necessary to say, is a mere daydream, impossible of realization. Moreover, no fighting ever occurs except in the disputed areas round the Equator and the Pole: no invasion of enemy territory is ever undertaken. This explains the fact that in some places the frontiers between the superstates are arbitrary. Eurasia, for example, could easily conquer the British Isles, which are geographically part of Europe, or on the other hand it would be possible for Oceania to push its frontiers to the Rhine or even to the Vistula. But this would violate the principle, followed on all sides though never formulated, of cultural integrity. If Oceania were to conquer the areas that used once to be known as France and Germany, it would be necessary either to exterminate the inhabitants, a task of great physical difficulty, or to assimilate a population of about a hundred million people, who, so far as technical development goes, are roughly on the Oceanic level. The problem is the same for all three super-states. It is absolutely necessary to their structure that there should be no contact with foreigners, except, to a limited extent, with war prisoners and coloured slaves. Even the official ally of the moment is always regarded with the darkest suspicion. War prisoners apart, the average citizen of Oceania never sets eyes on a citizen of either Eurasia or Eastasia, and he is forbidden the knowledge of foreign languages. If he were allowed contact with foreigners he would discover that they are creatures similar to himself and that most of what he has been told about them is lies. The sealed world in which he lives would be broken, and the fear, hatred, and self-righteousness on which his morale depends might evaporate. It is therefore realized on all sides that however often Persia, or Egypt, or Java, or Ceylon may change hands, the main frontiers must never be crossed by anything except bombs.

Under this lies a fact never mentioned aloud, but tacitly understood and acted upon: namely, that the conditions of life in all three super-states are very much the same. In Oceania the prevailing philosophy is called Ingsoc, in Eurasia it is called Neo-Bolshevism, and in Eastasia it is called by a Chinese name usually translated as Death-Worship, but perhaps better rendered as Obliteration of the Self. The citizen of Oceania is not allowed to know anything of the tenets of the other two philosophies, but he is taught to execrate them as barbarous outrages upon morality and common sense. Actually the three philosophies are barely distinguishable, and the social systems which they support are not distinguishable at all. Everywhere there is the same pyramidal structure, the same worship of semi-divine leader, the same economy existing by and for continuous warfare. It follows that the three super-states not only cannot conquer one another, but would gain no advantage by doing so. On the contrary, so long as they remain in conflict they prop one another up, like three sheaves of corn. And, as usual, the ruling groups of all three powers are simultaneously aware and unaware of what they are doing. Their lives are dedicated to world conquest, but they also know that it is necessary that the war should continue everlastingly and without victory. Meanwhile the fact that there is no danger of conquest makes possible the denial of reality which is the special feature of Ingsoc and its rival systems of thought. Here it is necessary to repeat what has been said earlier, that by becoming continuous war has fundamentally changed its character.

In past ages, a war, almost by definition, was something that sooner or later came to an end, usually in unmistakable victory or defeat. In the past, also, war was one of the main instruments by which human societies were kept in touch with physical reality. All rulers in all ages have tried to impose a false view of the world upon their followers, but they could not afford to encourage any illusion that tended to impair military efficiency. So long as defeat meant the loss of independence, or some other result generally held to be undesirable, the precautions against defeat had to be serious. Physical facts could not be ignored. In philosophy, or religion, or ethics, or politics, two and two might make five, but when one was designing a gun or an aeroplane they had to make four. Inefficient nations were always conquered sooner or later, and the struggle for efficiency was inimical to illusions. Moreover, to be efficient it was necessary to be able to learn from the past, which meant having a fairly accurate idea of what had happened in the past. Newspapers and history books were, of course, always coloured and biased, but falsification of the kind that is practised today would have been impossible. War was a sure safeguard of sanity, and so far as the ruling classes were concerned it was probably the most important of all safeguards. While wars could be won or lost, no ruling class could be completely irresponsible.

But when war becomes literally continuous, it also ceases to be dangerous. When war is continuous there is no such thing as military necessity. Technical progress can cease and the most palpable facts can be denied or disregarded. As we have seen, researches that could be called scientific are still carried out for the purposes of war, but they are essentially a kind of daydreaming, and their failure to show results is not important. Efficiency, even military efficiency, is no longer needed. Nothing is efficient in Oceania except the Thought Police. Since each of the three super-states is unconquerable, each is in effect a separate universe within which almost any perversion of thought can be safely practised. Reality only exerts its pressure through the needs of everyday life -- the need to eat and drink, to get shelter and clothing, to avoid swallowing poison or stepping out of top-storey windows, and the like. Between life and death, and between physical pleasure and physical pain, there is still a distinction, but that is all. Cut off from contact with the outer world, and with the past, the citizen of Oceania is like a man in interstellar space, who has no way of knowing which direction is up and which is down. The rulers of such a state are absolute, as the Pharaohs or the Caesars could not be. They are obliged to prevent their followers from starving to death in numbers large enough to be inconvenient, and they are obliged to remain at the same low level of military technique as their rivals; but once that minimum is achieved, they can twist reality into whatever shape they choose.

The war, therefore, if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are set at such an angle that they are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that a hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely internal affair. In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, although they might recognize their common interest and therefore limit the destructiveness of war, did fight against one another, and the victor always plundered the vanquished. In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word 'war', therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous war has ceased to exist. The peculiar pressure that it exerted on human beings between the Neolithic Age and the early twentieth century has disappeared and been replaced by something quite different. The effect would be much the same if the three super-states, instead of fighting one another, should agree to live in perpetual peace, each inviolate within its own boundaries. For in that case each would still be a self-contained universe, freed for ever from the sobering influence of external danger. A peace that was truly permanent would be the same as a permanent war. This - although the vast majority of Party members understand it only in a shallower sense - is the inner meaning of the Party slogan: War is Peace.

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129 sq m of aeroponics provide for all the food, fibre, leathers and medicines required by an individual. 7.06 billions of us therefore require that 910,740 sq km of crops be cultivated. Divided by 22 separate levels this totals 41,397.3 sq km of projected area. Divided by 50 locations among the 50 top cities in the world this is reduced to an area of 828 sq km per city.

A 128 meter (420 ft) diameter tunnel boring machine over 1.8 km long, powered by Jetter Cycle fusion reactors, fed with Lithium-6 and Deuterium extracted from the surrounding rock and dirt, starts digging a tunnel underground into a circle that's 40 km in diameter 20 km from a centre point.

As the TBM completes the 40 km circle, it gradually extends the radius from the circle's centre point by 100 meters. This allows the TBM to continue tunnelling while spiralling outward.

After 200 rotations around the centre point traversing a total of 37,699.1 km at an average speed of 4.3 kph the city is completed.

The tunnel is equipped with 31 floors with a height of 4 meters that total 120,569.6 sq km with a projected area of 3,770 sq km.

Level m2/m m2/system

60 44.5 1679197643.9
56 62.0 2336127783.5
52 74.6 2813070365.3
48 84.7 3191758184.0
44 93.0 3504191675.2
40 99.9 3766892864.7
36 105.8 3989697730.0
32 110.9 4178992422.4
28 115.1 4339164772.3
24 118.7 4473344134.2
20 121.6 4583813710.2
16 123.9 4672255566.9
12 125.7 4739902910.6
8 127.0 4787637276.0
4 127.7 4816050803.1
0 128.0 4825484800.0
-4 127.7 4816050803.1
-8 127.0 4787637276.0
-12 125.7 4739902910.6
-16 123.9 4672255566.9
-20 121.6 4583813710.2
-24 118.7 4473344134.2
-28 115.1 4339164772.3
-32 110.9 4178992422.4
-36 105.8 3989697730.0
-40 99.9 3766892864.7
-44 93.0 3504191675.2
-48 84.7 3191758184.0
-52 74.6 2813070365.3
-56 62.0 2336127783.5
-60 44.5 1679197643.9

The TBM itself is constructed of self-replicating components. These started as a 1,000 kg device that was 335 millimeter diameter 4716 mm long. A miniature TBM. As it dug it grew to a 55.5 million metric ton system in 25.72 hours of digging.

Fifty other of the smaller systems are made in this time, and dispatched to fifty other locations throughout the world to complete cities there.

In 29 hours, a single rotation is completed 125.6 km long. While the original TBM is joined by a daughter TBM operating side by side. This allows 2 rings to be completed in the next 29 hours. By the time a second rotation is completed, two grand daughters are added bringing the total to four TBM, and seven rings are completed in the third 29 hours.

This city is completed in 221.6 hours.

Along with residential towers, and all manner of support systems, all powered by fusion energy. Automated flight on demand systems are dispatched throughout the world from the 50 cities completed in this way. People are transported by air to the city or by surface transport, to their own residences, as shown here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BJmC9u3vwQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQYQclhnigQ

http://www.thepinnaclelist.com/blog/directory/387-million-tour-odeon-tower-sky-penthouse-principality-monaco/

Detailed plans for all these products exist and are easily replicated on a massive scale.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/213068266/Super-Cities-3

Three towers per area. 64 ﬂoors per tower. 25 people per ﬂoor. A total of 4,800 persons per area. With a total of 28,800 areas per city ring this is 138.24 million.

The worlds largest ﬁfty cities houses therefore, 7 billions. This increase requires 22 sub-surface levels for aeroponics, factories, and mining operations in each area.

Top 50 cities of the world, with 138.24 million each, 6.91 billions. All major cities have unique 2 letter names

Rural areas outside major cities locate addresses by longitude and latitude.

Here are the top cities that are transformed by self-replicating machine systems;

Tokyo To
Jakarta Jk
New York Ny
Seoul Sl
Manila Mn
Mumbai Mb
Sao Paulo Sp
Mexico City Mx
Delhi Dl
Osaka Os
Cairo Ca
Kolkata Ko
Los Angeles La
Shanghai Sh
Moscow Ms
Beijing Be
Buenos Aires Ai
Guangzhou Gu
Shenzhen Sz
Istanbul Is
Rio de Jeneiro Rj
Paris Pa
Karachi Ka
Nagoya Ng
Chicago Ch
Lagos Lg
London Lo
Bangkok Ba
Kinshasa Kn
Tehran Te
Lima Li
Donguan Do
Bogota Bo
Chennai Cn
Dhaka Dh
Essen Es
Tianjin Tn
Hong Kong Hk
Taipei Tp
Lahore Lh
Ho Chi Minh Ho
Bangalore Bg
Hyderabad Hy
Johannesburg Jo
Baghdad Bg
Toronto Tr
Santiago Sn
Kuala Lumpur Kl
San Francisco Sf
Philadelphia Ph

http://www.scribd.com/doc/212226819/Super-Cities-2
http://www.scribd.com/doc/212157834/Super-Cities

Once largely depopulated the abandoned properties which total 4.49 million sq km in urban areas are converted to low density housing units averaging 1,586 persons per sq km -complete with communities organized to support the people who return to regions of interest to them - providing a suburban home with full community and service support - for everyone on Earth:

Similar to these;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BxytVCFqQE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_qOqbCCQOw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0V26gcKbkA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrnqsByxHis

At this time, 29% of the Earth's surface that has been affected by agriculture, industry and other human activity is reclaimed through the operation of automated systems. This 43 million sq km is broken up into a country home for every person on Earth - again supported to a very high level.

Similar to these;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f4lOtnNwc8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwkmE987jgU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evxp0TpiqVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etq49Pcf9n0

In the end every person on Earth would have a home in the city, a home in the suburbs and an estate home in the country. They would have whatever else they wished, and travel at will anywhere they liked, in their own vehicle of their choice and do whatever the hell they wanted otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLXu9uhETp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZoaeX-V2ZY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wXv-2dCWoU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOaNSuLLWXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQIZ0f8iO2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5CtkZ2R9Kc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzfbv3SS5UA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNd3yS9VB2c

We then focus on fusion propelled spacecraft. Self-replicating probes make their way to Ceres in half a week. There we build up to two billion personal space colonies - complete with their own fleet of tender space craft - and disperse these to anyone on Earth who wishes to have one.

We then focus on Positronium propelled starships. Self-replicating probes make their way to the surface of the Sun, where they mine the solar atmosphere of metals whilst converting a portion of the solar energy to positronium. The self replicating solar panels peel off, fully charged with anti-matter, and fold and form into starships capable of 99.99% light speed - and when they arrive at their target star, recharge and expand as desired by their owners.

Brad Guth

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This context of yours is all fine and dandy, as reasonably sound and logical science future of applied physics, except for our having to constantly sustain the oligarchs, Bilderbergs and Rothschilds as having been causing the vast majority of global inflation, wasting our precious time, talents and resources upon destabilizing other nations, resource hoarding and a few too many proxy wars in order to sustain their MIC dominance and directly causing the subsequent revenge Karma that we of the lower caste also get to pay the ultimate price for. Even common mistakes or systematic failures like MH370 are truly costing us billions (not the less than 100 million as media suggested), most of which could have been mitigated with decades old technology that should have been mainstream status-quo as of decades ago.

Perhaps at least another couple trillion of our hard earned loot goes unaccounted or MIA each year in order to keep 7125 oligarchs, Bilderbergs and Rothschilds as happy campers, as that’s only on average $281M/yr each, and obviously that’s not of something that’s going to change any time soon as long as they are being constantly worshiped and protected by far too many brown-nosed clowns, minions and FUD-masters as getting a direct and/or indirect piece of the action.

Only now we’re informed long after the fact of the “heartbleed” fiasco, in that even the best encryption of our software, firmware and password protected data really hasn’t been secure at all, and no doubt there are any number of Snowden types that were telling us this as of more than a decade ago but were either banished or via the very best of our media and education system as having been intentionally obfuscated such to death, because these kinds of deliberate security flaws have directly benefitted the oligarchs, Bilderbergs, Rothschilds and selective insiders from the very get-go, making our Hitler types and otherwise the upper .0001% caste as very happy campers. No wonder we’ve all (including yourself) been getting systematically screwed all along.

Most if not all of your accomplishments haven’t emerged as any leading technology or more effective means of delivering cleaner and cheaper terrestrial energy or much less that of any off-world accomplishments because of the existing interference and/or gauntlet of insurmountable odds created against those of your kind, caused by those always in charge regardless of whomever we elect or appoint. Basically via mutually perpetrated cold wars, proxy wars, nation destabilization and subsequent revenge Karma as well as continued global inflation, there simply are no resources left to spare for accomplishing those of your projects, regardless of how self perpetuating and greater good intended they might actually be.

We simply can no longer afford to sustain 7125 oligarchs, Bilderbergs and Rothschilds within this world of limited and depleted resources. In other words, something has to give unless WW3 and their culling 94% of humanity takes place sooner rather than later, not to mention our surviving numerous natural disasters that the vast majority of us are still not prepared for, not to mention our national infrastructure that’ll tank upon the first super-volcano or asteroid impact because for other than protecting the upper caste, it’s terribly inadequate as is.

So, it’s not just about the redistribution of global wealth, but instead about allowing the few of us with sufficient vision and abilities to move our species forward with our better and/or more advanced solutions for accomplishing a more failsafe future with cleaner and cheaper energy as well as better resource utilization that’ll benefit everyone instead of just the upper .0001% caste that have never earned an honest days work in their life.

In other words, if all 7125 upper caste members of humanity one day vanished, how would that be anything but a good thing?

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Yes, it is workable and a more reasonable way forward than the engineered die-off we're facing.

> as reasonably sound and logical science future of applied physics,

Physics is always true. So, this is not something we can only do in the future. This is something we can do today.

> except for our having to constantly sustain the oligarchs, Bilderbergs and Rothschilds as having been causing the vast majority of global inflation, wasting our precious time, talents and resources upon destabilizing other nations, resource hoarding and a few too many proxy wars in order to sustain their MIC dominance and directly causing the subsequent revenge Karma that we of the lower caste also get to pay the ultimate price for.

Well, I think I see the problem. There is some confusion in your mind about physical requirements vs. psychological requirements.

The physical requirements are quite modest and well within the capacity of our present technology, and near-term technological growth, of building the world I've outlined above.

The 'cost' of the ruling oligarchy is entirely psychological and is only maintained at great physical cost because of this psychological burden to maintain control.

If you go to James Corbett's website, or Richard Grove's website, you will come to understand the detailed history and process whereby this psychology of scarcity is maintained.

http://www.tragedyandhope.com/
http://www.corbettreport.com/

In the context of our present conversation I would ask you to focus on the following report on Libya as the latest example of the process of control through warfare;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh20apjqdI0&list=UU7TvL4GlQyMBLlUsTrN_C4Q

This careful attention to detail in creating a narrative that incapacitates the vast majority of humanity divorcing them from their native and natural propensity to cooperate and produce, constraining them to pointless conflict and bloodshed, to impoverish them so they remain under oligarchical control, extends to other major areas of 'proper government'-

medicine;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6J_7PvWoMw

education;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxCuc-2tfgk

culture;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXhrXCN4EWg

religion;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--krglR7xtA

The oligarchs believe themselves to be superior to the common herd because of the care and cleverness they bring to these efforts at maintaining control. The consistency with which they act over long periods of time, the results they reliably obtain, and the ruthlessness they exhibit in achieving their goals, all these cause them to believe in their superiority over the gullible.

We know this conclusively because this is the message that is put out by the secret societies they organize to co-opt the clever and the capable, the ruthless and the effective. We also know this conclusively because this is what the psychopath always says of their victim. A rapist always insists in his heart of hearts, she was asking for it.

Even accepting their terms, it is clear that in their hubris they ignore certain scientific realities regarding the fragile social environment they inhabit. This hubris will destroy them utterly and totally. Since parasites that are too virulent to their hosts inevitably lead to a more resistant host and the ultimate destruction of the parasites;

http://public.wsu.edu/~jesse.brunner/pdfs/BrunnerCollins2009-Virulence.pdf

Parasites that are too virulent are rejected by nature.

This reality of the fragility of the parasite flies in the face of the 300 year campaign to become more virulent as a means to cull the vast herd of humanity and turn the results of the mechanical genius of that herd toward the culling through warfare. Like a large steamship moving at high speed, humanity is moving toward a die off that will preferentially kill the parasites far more efficiently than it will ever kill the host. So, the parasites have largely sealed their doom, unless they become less virulent and act quickly to avert disaster.

Even so, even with the utter destruction of the oligarchy, the host population will become resistant to the parasites and move forward along the lines I've outlined. This is the way forward.

> Even common mistakes or systematic failures like MH370 are truly costing us billions (not the less than 100 million as media suggested), most of which could have been mitigated with decades old technology that should have been mainstream status-quo as of decades ago.

The disappearance of that flight is indeed a mystery. (Most likely the result of the action of an as yet unappreciated weapon system - a portable petawatt laser perhaps) Yet, in the context of the present day, it is a distraction from the fact that Afghanistan is a failure, Iraq is a failure, Egypt is a failure, Libya is a failure, Syria is a failure, LIBOR is being prosecuted (look at the number of middle tier bankers dying), FOREX is being prosecuted, Greece is a failure, Ukraine is a failure, the war on terror is a failure, everything is beginning not to work and the parasites seem unable to do anything new. The levers by which they exercise control from the behind the scenes, are breaking down as well.

> Perhaps at least another couple trillion of our hard earned loot goes unaccounted or MIA each year in order to keep 7125 oligarchs, Bilderbergs and Rothschilds as happy campers, as that’s only on average $281M/yr each, and obviously that’s not of something that’s going to change any time soon as long as they are being constantly worshiped and protected by far too many brown-nosed clowns, minions and FUD-masters as getting a direct and/or indirect piece of the action.
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I believe I see another flaw in your approach Brad. Namely, you think that the same things that motivate you and me on a daily basis, the pursuit of money and profit, and a better life for you and your loved ones, are the same things that motivate the oligarchs. It is not.

The oligarchs, as F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote in, "The Rich Boy" in 1926, are different than us.

Fitzgerald wrote, "Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand. They think, deep in their hearts, that they are better than we are because we had to discover the compensations and refuges of life for ourselves. Even when they enter deep into our world or sink below us, they still think that they are better than we are. They are different."

In more prosaic terms, those who own a central bank, and owe no taxes on their income, or even any requirement for reporting their activity to any government,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM2vMHx46ww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGpB3WHXPI8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6QSu0CRGdk

those who have allodial title over their property. Allodial title constitutes ownership of real property (land, buildings and fixtures) that is independent of any superior landlord. As a consequence, this land cannot be taxed and cannot be seized for failure to pay any debt, including taxes.

Don't have to worry about money the way we do.

NOTE: Now the website for the Federal Reserve says no individual owns them, they are owned by member banks. What they fail to say is that their member banks are individually owned by the oligarchy. The website also says they turn over any profits to the Treasury, even though they don't pay taxes. What they fail to say is that the Federal Reserve has first dibs on all taxes to pay any debts. They also fail to say they have never made a profit in their history. In fact the Fed has shown a loss, every year its been in existence since 1913. It is the roll-over of the increasing debt each year that shapes our economy. That debt is owed to the member banks. Not individuals. Those member banks are however owned exclusively by the members of the oligarchy.

Bottom line, the very rich don't have to worry about money and property, income and survival, like the rest of us since they can print whatever money they like, originate any amount of money they like in any sort of financial instrument they like and use it in any way they like to achieve whatever they like in the world.

Over time this has bought them special relationships with all the monarchs, ministers presidents and senators throughout the world. This has caused them to dominate and shape scientific advance as well as culture and religion.

So what do the oligarchs worry about?

Control. Not money. Control. They no more have to take money off of us than we have persuade the air to let us breathe. Yet, they are very careful to make us dependent on their money, and to control our access to it, to maintain control.

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We have never been free or independent. The idea that we are free if we work hard and follow the rules was always a ruse.

As Johann Wolfgang von Goethe said of the American experiment in 1820 - nearly 200 years ago,"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

> and no doubt there are any number of Snowden types that were telling us this as of more than a decade ago but were either banished or via the very best of our media and education system

The media and education system are both shaped by the oligarchy to shape the epistemology of the vast herd of humanity. The civil war was fought party as an attempt to destroy and marginalize the use of the Trivum by the South and bring them to heel by the oligarchy. Lord Palmerston wrote extensively about this at the time, in papers he never thought anyone but the oligarchy would care to read.

www.frequency.com/video/lord-palmerstons-human-zoo-lecture-by/152311994/-/5-13886054

More recently there were a number of white papers who were incredibly honest about this in the early 1970s when America 'lost' Vietnam. They said rather openly that this failure to control the hearts and minds of the American public wrt Vietnam was a principal failing of an 'excessively free and open media' that must be brought to heel to fulfil the goals of a well-ordered society.

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I think I see another cause for your inability to take on board what I'm saying Brad. You seem to think that the media and education and government and medicine and media and education have at some time been organized along the lines they claim to the masses to be their raison de etre. No, as Goethe's quote shows, government and society has *never* been that way. It has always been to the benefit of the oligarchy.

When the common man would accept the natural rightness of slavery, and servitude, there was slavery. When that no longer worked, there arose, after the Council of Nicea, religion and the slavish devotion that required under pain of death from Rome. When that no longer worked, following the Peace of Westphalia, there arose nationalism and national economy. When that led to an expansion of the means of production, and a broadening of wealth, there arose slavish devotion to self, and cultural icons, media, news, and of course, an overweening concern about war, crime and violence.

The more you delve into history, the more clearly you see, the psychopath has always taken advantage of the gullible. The psychopath has always sought to control confuse and exploit the gullible. And when the gullible awakes to the machinations of the psychopath, the psychopaths have no barrier to ruthlessly destroying all those who are awake, and simultaneously carrying out the worst sort of lies and corruption to beguile the survivors - no matter what the cost to the psychopath personally, because at stake is always, control at any cost.

This single minded pursuit of control is not in the lexicon of the gullible. At worst they want to be taken care of. At best they want to be independent. Fewer than 4% of us ever take seriously the control they have over their own existence far enough to ask really serious questions. Of the 10% of those, or 0.4% of all of us, who do, the established psychopaths have ready answers in the form of even more lies layered like an onion within a host of secret societies organized to control the newly arriving psychopaths, since the number of ruling oligarchs are limited to 1000 families after a Counsel in Vienna held after the take down of the Roman Empire, after slaves attained too many rights, and those 1000 swore allegiance to 13 ancient blood-lines that secretly ran the Ceasars and before that ruled at the oracle at Delphi which served to manage the monarchies of the ancient world, and before that the same families rules in Persia, Egypt, Akkad... for who knows how long? They burned the records at Alexandria, and systematically destroyed information that empowered and enlightened the hosts and made them more resistant,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLlVnKOb4Mk

not before gathering the information for themselves and storing it away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YOcuW-Q4qc

To be sure, at times, people have been free after revolting against their local oligarchs, but because the hosts are not ruthless, because the hosts do not share the same attitudes as the parasites, and because the hosts do not have what they have been trained to call a sick twisted view of their own importance, because the host in fact, has had bred into them a desire to serve and be of service to others (each other in the present context), as a result even when the hosts rise up and destroy the local oligarchy at a particular time and place, they quickly forget their success, and the presence of the parasite farther afield, and fall back into a slumber, where they think they are taking care of one another in peace and harmony, into which the oligarchy quickly takes whatever form is required of them to again establish control, and perpetuate that control in that new form going foward.

Now, the present effort to depopulate the world, is something new, as far as we can tell. Especially in depopulating in such a short period of time. Since this depopulation effort puts selective pressure on the host population that requires the parasite to become vastly more virulent than it has in the past.

As a result, the global wars of the past century, have inoculated the host population against the war propaganda and brought a longing for peace among us. The use of advertising and public relations to shape public opinion wildly against the best interests of the hosts have inoculated the host population against the mainstream media. The present abuse of science to try to convince the host population to adopt measures that do not benefit them, while refusing to consider approaches that allow such benefits, are in the process of inoculating the host population against the pronouncements of mainstream controlled science as well.

This present course, which has a great momentum toward greater virulence of the parasite population, will inevitably, as far as I can tell, lead to the utter destruction of the parasites as surviving hosts develop a universal, natural and native resistance to all means of control and subterfuge that will not go away easily.

>because these kinds of deliberate security flaws have directly benefitted the oligarchs, Bilderbergs, Rothschilds and selective insiders from the very get-go, making our Hitler types and otherwise the upper .0001% caste as very happy campers. No wonder we’ve all (including yourself) been getting systematically screwed all along.
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Again, Brad, you are proceeding from a misapprehension of the fact that the oligarchy doesn't need us to maintain their living standard. We are not poor because they are rich. All can live in the lap of luxury. We know how this may be done. It is not done because doing so would undermine what the psychopath parasites value most - control.

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I am happy and prosperous in New Zealand at the present moment. I have moved here because I am freer here than in the USA and because over the long-term New Zealand is far removed from many of the difficulties facing humanity. A self sufficient cooperative of farms and industries on NZ's South Island, using hydropower, small scale coal conversion, and other technologies, provides a wide range of capabilities, and while I would rather see a vastly more prosperous stable and peaceful world than we have at present, I would not consider myself the failure you seem to attribute to me.

In fact, as I move around the South Island I feel rather well off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mxmFCw-Dig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HctOU7Or7Tk

> Basically via mutually perpetrated cold wars, proxy wars, nation destabilization and subsequent revenge Karma as well as continued global inflation,

These efforts are capture our minds, not our resources. This is the point Brad. The resources are plentiful. Yet, if we ignore that fact because we are pressured by the chase after dollars, the parasites maintain control.

> there simply are no resources left to spare for accomplishing those of your projects,

This is absolutely false. I have taken care to give lots of supporting evidence to show that this is false. You have either not taken what I say seriously, or have not read what I've written, or are seeking to obscure this fact yourself for some reason.

> regardless of how self perpetuating and greater good intended they might actually be.

We have unlimited resources all around us. If we were not supremely wealthy there would be no need for the parasite to distract us with endless war to keep us in privation and deep in the belief that we needed the parasite to defend us and keep us.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/77588930/Brand-New-World
http://www.scribd.com/doc/106112900/Resources

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As long as they maintain absolute abject control over their host, the parasite will pay any price bear any burden commit any act to maintain their control.

This is the nature of a psychopath.

> In other words, something has to give unless WW3 and their culling 94% of humanity takes place sooner rather than later,

Why do you think the oligarchy pursued nuclear weapons and their spread with such vigour following World War 2? Read Malthus, read Club of Rome, the oligarchy wants the utter destruction of the present system of nation-states and economic progress and to replace it with a scientific dictatorship of the type described in Aldous Huxley's Brave New world.

The miscalculation the parasite has made of their host is the natural response any host has to rapidly increasing virulence of a parasite, namely, an increasing resistance and rejection of the parasite among the surviving hosts, and the ultimate end of the parasite. Expressed as percentages of the whole, a given percentage of deaths result in the square of the deaths of parasite.

I don't know where you get your numbers, Brad, but I get mine from Credit Suisse in combination with historical records. The 1,000 families comprise 82,500 individuals who can be considered to have oligarchical rights. They own all or part of a private bank that owns one or more central banks around the world. They own property in allodial title. Their 'income' if you can call it that, and their activity on their property, goes unreported to any agency anywhere, as they are not party to any act passed by any government.

As the number of the gullible decline, their numbers decline even more sharply. At some point their ability to maintain themselves suffers. A 60% reduction in the gullible mean that they suffer an 84% reduction and as a result, are unlikely to form a viable breeding stock to maintain their existence for long thereafter. This typically means the elimination of the parasite, or in rare instance, the creation of a less virulent form.

Now we are arguing from brute nature and the blind operation of animals. Neither we nor the parasites, regardless of rhetoric to the contrary, are animals. So, it is unlikely that the parasite will be suffered to live. That is, for a time at least the gullible will take steps to rid itself of the oligarchy once a certain level of awareness is broadly present, and will take steps beyond that, to make sure they do not arise again from our population.

Studies along these lines already have outlined the scope of the problem. About 4% of us are psychopaths. 10% of those are capable enough to establish a new cancer. Identifying these and eliminating them ruthlessly from the population, and taking steps to restrict the ability of those who breed psychopaths from reproducing, will likely be the result of any dramatic reduction in the number of people on Earth.

Host Parasite
Surviv Dead Percent Percent Dead Surviving

6351.3 705.7 0.1 0.190000 15675 66825
5645.6 1411.4 0.2 0.360000 29700 52800
4939.9 2117.1 0.3 0.510000 42075 40425
4234.2 2822.8 0.4 0.640000 52800 29700
3528.5 3528.5 0.5 0.750000 61875 20625
2822.8 4234.2 0.6 0.840000 69300 13200
2117.1 4939.9 0.7 0.910000 75075 7425
1411.4 5645.6 0.8 0.960000 79200 3300
705.7 6351.3 0.9 0.990000 81675 825
352.9 6704.2 0.95 0.997500 82294 206
70.6 6986.4 0.99 0.999900 82492 8
35.3 7021.7 0.995 0.999975 82498 2
7.1 7049.9 0.999 0.999999 82500 0

> not to mention our surviving numerous natural disasters that the vast majority of us are still not prepared for,

We can easily handle any natural disaster facing us. The economic stress brought about by the engineered take down of America and Europe is easily corrected once the root cause is addressed.

> not to mention our national infrastructure that’ll tank upon the first super-volcano or asteroid impact because for other than protecting the upper caste, it’s terribly inadequate as is.

These narratives are highly unlikely to be realized, but easily simulated. So, their possibility is touted by the parasites as a way to continue to distract the gullible with pointless worry.

Check out the history of Gladio in Europe to see how crafty the parasites are in managing tension for their political gain.

Same here.

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I am not calling for a redistribution of wealth. I am calling for the creation of vast new sources of wealth. Interesting the pattern of things you don't see. You either are so deeply imbued with the memes dictated by the parasites that you cannot think outside the box they have prepared for you, or you are an agent for them. These things are not mutually exclusive by the way, and as is the nature of mind control, you may be totally unaware of the part you play in supporting the parasites in all that you do think or feel.

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What I was trying to get across is that hundreds of thousands, perhaps even a million of us lower caste around the world, keep getting killed off every year via medical mistakes, and yet we keep right on worshiping and protecting those oligarchs, Bilderbergs and Rothschilds as costing us ten thousand times as much as the average person, not to mention what they and their extended families control or dominate regardless of whomever we elect or appoint. What gives with that?

We simply can not afford this amount of wealth and authority disparity, because global resources are extensively depleted and otherwise those of your kind are not allowed to fix or improve on much if any of it, much less being allowed to exploit off-world options for the greater good.

This only brings up the 94% culling of humanity as representing to only viable option as long as these few (7125) oligarchs, Bilderbergs and Rothschilds get to remain in charge regardless of whomever we elect or appoint.

So, how bad would this one-time elimination of the upper .0001% really be, especially considering the million plus per year of medical assisted deaths that's ongoing year after year?