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Was Oswald's supposed letter to Robert authentic?

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Ralph Cinque

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Aug 26, 2016, 8:15:14 PM8/26/16
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There is a handwritten letter that LHO supposedly sent to Robert Oswald
from Russia. Here's the first page of it, and it goes on for 8 pages. Note
the date: November 26, 1959. So, he had been there for 2 months.

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0420a.htm

Why would anyone think that this is authentic? It's an extremely bizarre
letter. And I know that that's the idea: that Oswald was an extremely
bizarre person. But, if you know very well that he wasn't, then you should
doubt the authenticity of this letter. Let's consider:

Oswald had disappeared into the Soviet Union and was gone for two months.
Then, he writes his brother. How would such a letter begin? Wouldn't he
start by saying exactly where he was, how he was doing, what his
circumstances were, what his life was like, and what Soviet life was like?
Wouldn't he talk about how it was there: the daily life; the people; the
food; the music; etc.? But no, instead, he starts in as though he is in
the middle of a conversation with Robert about why he wants to overthrow
the US capitalist system, etc. He just gets right to it without saying
anything that is remotely normal. In the context of the circumstances in
which the letter was written, it is some wild, weird, and freaky stuff.

But, let's talk about the authenticity. First, not only should we not
grant the authenticity of it automatically; we should automatically turn
on every alarm in our heads. Why? Because of all the fake, phony evidence
in the JFK assassination, that's why. The burden of proof is on THEM, the
supporters of JFK officialdom. Until they prove that it's authentic, it
remains highly suspicious.

Now, let's consider some facts. We know that the Soviets closely monitored
all of Oswald's mail, both incoming and outgoing. They read everything-
all his correspondence. Don't you think they would have reacted to this
letter? A dumb and foolish person might think that the Soviets would
delight in this:

"In the event of war I would kill ANY American who put a uniform on in
defence of the American government--any American."

But, the fact is that, regardless of who he was talking about, it is a
very bizarre, extreme, and maniacal statement to make, and they would have
noticed that and noted it. It would have gone into his file. This was,
supposedly, a letter to his brother, who was an American. So, was he
telling his own brother that "I'll kill you" if you put on a uniform to
defend the US? The Soviet Union had psychologists, and they would have
recognized that this was highly abnormal. Worse; it was totally whacked.
You don't really want a guy like that running around in your country.

But, was Oswald really that whacked? Was he whacked enough to write that
letter? Well, there are extensive interviews of the people who knew Oswald
in Russia who described how he was, such as Dr. Ernst Titovets. And none
of them, described him this way- like the guy who wrote that letter. It's
not even close. None of them said that he was obsessed with Communism and
talked about it all the time. None of them said that he bashed the US or
talked about taking up arms against the US government. From all that we
know from the record and from the people that knew him there, what
Oswald's life was like in Russia was that he worked his job at the radio
factory, and then he sought to socialize and have fun. He also apparently
spent a lot of time chasing girls. He dated quite a few and girls chased
quite a few- before Marina came along. According to John Armstrong, he
hung around this female dormitory trying to meet girls. So, why in a
letter to his brother, would he be all business about Communism when he
wasn't doing that there? He wasn't like that there. He wasn't remotely
like that there. That whole dark obsessed mindset was completely, totally
absent; nobody reported it. He never bashed the US, in fact, he defended
the US. Even Marina said that he defended the US- to her relatives.

So, what we have is a situation in which the Soviets never confirmed the
authenticity of this letter- even though they were monitoring his mail
like a hawk. And since the letter wasn't brought out until after Oswald
was dead, he never confirmed the authenticity of it. What do you think he
would have said if they showed it to him? He probably would have said the
same thing he said when they showed him the phony Backyard photo; that
it's fake. We don't have anyone who knew Oswald in Russia who confirmed
that he wrote that letter or that he could have written it, based on what
they knew of him; his personality; his interests; his state of mind; etc.

Some may try to defend the letter on the basis of the handwriting being
his, but stop the nonsense. Don't you think the CIA figured out long ago
how to duplicate anyone's handwriting? And when was it ever put to
scrutiny by a hostile examiner? That was never part of it.

And by the way, at one point in the letter, he tells Robert that he,
Robert, means nothing to him, and neither does his mother. Well, who
writes 8 pages to such a person? Wouldn't a letter containing such a
statement, by necessity, be short? Who writes 8 pages to someone he
doesn't care about? 8 pages? 8 handwritten pages? I'm laughing out loud as
I type this because the idea is so ridiculous.

I'll give the link to the letter so that you can read the whole thing- if
you want to:

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0420a.htm

But, the only thing this is evidence of is the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald
is the most reviled, the most maligned, the most framed person who ever
lived. What they did to him- in life and in death- is truly monstrous. And
it shows that the underbelly of this wonderful society of ours, this "City
on a Hill" is and truly has been for a very long time: rotten, ugly, and
satanic.

David Von Pein

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Aug 27, 2016, 10:58:47 PM8/27/16
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And, Ralph, I guess that means you think the envelope (with Oswald's
writing on it and with all the postmarks and stamps on it too) is a fake
as well, right? ....

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0424a.htm

BTW, handwriting experts said that the letter is in Oswald's handwriting.
I guess you think those experts were liars too, correct?


Ralph Cinque

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Aug 28, 2016, 10:05:34 PM8/28/16
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You think the envelope proves it's valid? You're kidding, right?

And whose handwriting experts? The government's? Would they be like the
government's anthropologists? And the government's scientists who tried to
rationalize the collapse of the Towers, including Building 7 which was
never hit by a plane, by concluding that it was felled by "office fires"?

And why would Oswald write his own name in Russian on the envelope?

I translated Oswald to Russian using Google Translate:

Освальд

Here is what's written on that envelope:

http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2016/08/david-von-pein-and-ralph-i-guess-that.html

But, read what I wrote again because I gave cogent reasons why the
authenticity of the letter should be rejected, and you haven't responded
to any of them.

http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2016/08/there-is-handwritten-letter-that-lho.html



Anthony Marsh

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Aug 29, 2016, 10:01:06 AM8/29/16
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I think WC defenders are liars when they cherry pick evidence they like.


stevemg...@yahoo.com

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Aug 29, 2016, 11:33:48 PM8/29/16
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Well, we admit this on that Dallas police dictabelt that you say shows
four shots.

Just listen carefully and you can hear us talking about our devious plans.

Go head, tell us about that dictabelt again.


David Von Pein

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Aug 30, 2016, 10:57:10 PM8/30/16
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Everybody cherry picks. Everybody *should* cherry pick to a degree. If I
didn't, I'd have no choice but to believe that 8 shots were fired in
Dealey Plaza because a witness (A.J. Millican) said so.

Ace Kefford

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Aug 30, 2016, 11:05:25 PM8/30/16
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Yes.

Anthony Marsh

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Aug 31, 2016, 1:18:36 PM8/31/16
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On 8/29/2016 11:33 PM, stevemg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 9:01:06 AM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 8/27/2016 10:58 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>>> And, Ralph, I guess that means you think the envelope (with Oswald's
>>> writing on it and with all the postmarks and stamps on it too) is a fake
>>> as well, right? ....
>>>
>>> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0424a.htm
>>>
>>> BTW, handwriting experts said that the letter is in Oswald's handwriting.
>>> I guess you think those experts were liars too, correct?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I think WC defenders are liars when they cherry pick evidence they like.
>
> Well, we admit this on that Dallas police dictabelt that you say shows
> four shots.
>

I said five shots.

> Just listen carefully and you can hear us talking about our devious plans.
>
> Go head, tell us about that dictabelt again.
>
>

Read my articles if you are brave enough.



OHLeeRedux

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Aug 31, 2016, 11:07:26 PM8/31/16
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Read Anthony's articles for a good laugh.

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Anthony Marsh

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Sep 1, 2016, 12:19:46 PM9/1/16
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So you would base a determination on only one witness. Is that what law
enforcement does? Why yes, which is why so many innocent people are
convicted and then found innocent 50 years later.


Ralph Cinque

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Sep 1, 2016, 11:44:59 PM9/1/16
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I'll tell you what law enforcement doesn't do. They don't drag a guy into
a building mob-style. They don't take him anywhere until they cuff him.
The only exception to that, in all of police annals, is JFK-related. The
JFK assassination; it happened in its own world, it's own dimension, maybe
its own universe.

Jason Burke

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Sep 2, 2016, 9:49:36 PM9/2/16
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Keep that fiction factory fantasy goin', Raff!


Anthony Marsh

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Sep 2, 2016, 11:27:09 PM9/2/16
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Oh please. We are talking about the Dallas Police Department, not law
enforcement.

These are the guys who arranged for Oswald to be paraded for the press in
public AFTER getting death threats on the phone. They even told the Mafia
when to be there.



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