Oswald's privates
banw...@aol.com
His "clean shaveness" goes back many years; first heard of this from the
SF writer Warren Hinckle. A quote from him may be found on page 119 of
THE ASSASSINATION PLEASE ALMANAC. One of the interview books had a DPD
saying that unspecified retaliation had been taken against Oswald;
certainly, this would have brought "comment" in the jail!
If you think this in any way important, I'd suggest checking to see if
this were listed in the "distinguishing features" on the arrest papers.
As nothing ever came out on this, I would assume not. Likewise, what--if
any--portions of his anatomy were shaven prior to the surgery/autopsy.
Bill Banks
Barb Junkkarinen
Hi Bill,
Hope you are well!
The shaved pubic area is noted in the external observation part of the
autopsy. It was not done at autopsy ... and there would have been no
reason for it to be done then. Those who have seen the "full monty"
autopsy photos confirm a hairless pubic area.
The question that has bandied around is whether or not shaving his
netherlands was a quirk of Oswald's. If Judyth commented that it was
or was not, in her experience, it could have been telling. Since at
this point it would seem she is not going to comment on that (good
choice on her part probably) it breaks down like this:
The shaving most probably took place at the jail. Determining whether
or not that was standard practice as a means of keeping crabs out of
the jail could confirm this most likely possibility.
Why is it most likely?
Because in the throes of attempting to save the life of someone
bleeding out internally in the upper abdomen, shaving the pubic are
would have been nonsense, but more importantly....
.... pubic hair samples were taken by the DPD for comparison with
pubic hairs found on the blanket.
Thus....
He had pubic hair when he was taken in by the DPD, but...
...he had no pubic hair at autopsy.
So it's not rreally a big mystery, nor even a curiosity about Oswald,
at all, imo.
Bests,
Barb :-)
John McAdams
Thanks, Barb. Extremely interesting.
.John
--
The Kennedy Assassination Home Page
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
AnthonyMarsh
I do not believe that Oswald ever shaved his privates. Someone mentioned
that the DPD did that to collect evidence to compare to a hair found on
the blanket. I believe the autopsy indicated that it was freshly shaved.
I see no indication that Oswald had the opportunity to do that himself
while in custody.
--
Anthony Marsh
The Puzzle Palace http://www.boston.quik.com/amarsh
Bud
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:00:03 +0000 (UTC), banw...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> >His "clean shaveness" goes back many years; first heard of this from the
> >SF writer Warren Hinckle. A quote from him may be found on page 119 of
> >THE ASSASSINATION PLEASE ALMANAC. One of the interview books had a DPD
> >saying that unspecified retaliation had been taken against Oswald;
> >certainly, this would have brought "comment" in the jail!
> >
> >If you think this in any way important, I'd suggest checking to see if
> >this were listed in the "distinguishing features" on the arrest papers.
> >As nothing ever came out on this, I would assume not. Likewise, what--if
> >any--portions of his anatomy were shaven prior to the surgery/autopsy.
> >
> >Bill Banks
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Hope you are well!
>
> The shaved pubic area is noted in the external observation part of the
> autopsy. It was not done at autopsy ... and there would have been no
> reason for it to be done then. Those who have seen the "full monty"
> autopsy photos confirm a hairless pubic area.
Is there any way to get ahold of these pics, Barb? Maybe we can get
Judyith to pick Oz out of a lineup (and this time Oz can`t comb his
hair over).
> The question that has bandied around is whether or not shaving his
> netherlands was a quirk of Oswald's. If Judyth commented that it was
> or was not, in her experience, it could have been telling. Since at
> this point it would seem she is not going to comment on that (good
> choice on her part probably) it breaks down like this:
>
> The shaving most probably took place at the jail. Determining whether
> or not that was standard practice as a means of keeping crabs out of
> the jail could confirm this most likely possibility.
>
> Why is it most likely?
>
> Because in the throes of attempting to save the life of someone
> bleeding out internally in the upper abdomen, shaving the pubic are
> would have been nonsense, but more importantly....
>
> .... pubic hair samples were taken by the DPD for comparison with
> pubic hairs found on the blanket.
>
> Thus....
>
> He had pubic hair when he was taken in by the DPD, but...
>
> ...he had no pubic hair at autopsy.
>
> So it's not really a big mystery,
Yah, apparently they went overboard taking samples.
Bud
>
> >
> >His "clean shaveness" goes back many years; first heard of this from the
> >SF writer Warren Hinckle. A quote from him may be found on page 119 of
> >THE ASSASSINATION PLEASE ALMANAC. One of the interview books had a DPD
> >saying that unspecified retaliation had been taken against Oswald;
> >certainly, this would have brought "comment" in the jail!
> >
> >If you think this in any way important, I'd suggest checking to see if
> >this were listed in the "distinguishing features" on the arrest papers.
> >As nothing ever came out on this, I would assume not. Likewise, what--if
> >any--portions of his anatomy were shaven prior to the surgery/autopsy.
> >
> >Bill Banks
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Hope you are well!
>
> The shaved pubic area is noted in the external observation part of the
> autopsy. It was not done at autopsy ... and there would have been no
> reason for it to be done then. Those who have seen the "full monty"
> autopsy photos confirm a hairless pubic area.
Is there any way to get ahold of these pics, Barb? Maybe we can get
Judyith to pick Oz out of a lineup (and this time Oz can`t comb his
hair over).
> The question that has bandied around is whether or not shaving his
> netherlands was a quirk of Oswald's. If Judyth commented that it was
> or was not, in her experience, it could have been telling. Since at
> this point it would seem she is not going to comment on that (good
> choice on her part probably) it breaks down like this:
>
> The shaving most probably took place at the jail. Determining whether
> or not that was standard practice as a means of keeping crabs out of
> the jail could confirm this most likely possibility.
>
> Why is it most likely?
>
> Because in the throes of attempting to save the life of someone
> bleeding out internally in the upper abdomen, shaving the pubic are
> would have been nonsense, but more importantly....
>
> .... pubic hair samples were taken by the DPD for comparison with
> pubic hairs found on the blanket.
>
> Thus....
>
> He had pubic hair when he was taken in by the DPD, but...
>
> ...he had no pubic hair at autopsy.
>
> So it's not really a big mystery,
Yah, apparently they went overboard taking samples.
> nor even a curiosity about Oswald,
Martha
Hey Barb
Did I mis-read the autopsy report or didn't it say chest hairs were also
shaved? Been quite some time since I looked it over. I took a copy of the
report to my specialist when I went for a check-up at a major teaching
hospital in mid-west several years back. He said body was shaved when it
arrived at hospital.
When I asked about police taking samples of the pubic hair to account for
the absence of hair - he said he would have been surprised if the body was
shaven for just a few samples - but, then again, they could have for
whatever reason.
Martha
Stugrad98
>the absence of hair - he said he would have been surprised if the body was
>shaven for just a few samples - but, then again, they could have for
>whatever reason
Martha,
I had a similar reaction from a police officer-- he doubts a complete
shaving would have occured.
-Stu
Barb Junkkarinen
>Barb Junkkarinen <barbRE...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<20c4i09a9mslrcqec...@4ax.com>...
>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:00:03 +0000 (UTC), banw...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >His "clean shaveness" goes back many years; first heard of this from the
>> >SF writer Warren Hinckle. A quote from him may be found on page 119 of
>> >THE ASSASSINATION PLEASE ALMANAC. One of the interview books had a DPD
>> >saying that unspecified retaliation had been taken against Oswald;
>> >certainly, this would have brought "comment" in the jail!
>> >
>> >If you think this in any way important, I'd suggest checking to see if
>> >this were listed in the "distinguishing features" on the arrest papers.
>> >As nothing ever came out on this, I would assume not. Likewise, what--if
>> >any--portions of his anatomy were shaven prior to the surgery/autopsy.
>> >
>> >Bill Banks
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> Hope you are well!
>>
>> The shaved pubic area is noted in the external observation part of the
>> autopsy. It was not done at autopsy ... and there would have been no
>> reason for it to be done then. Those who have seen the "full monty"
>> autopsy photos confirm a hairless pubic area.
>
> Is there any way to get ahold of these pics, Barb? Maybe we can get
>Judyith to pick Oz out of a lineup (and this time Oz can`t comb his
>hair over).
You're terrible ... but I can't stop laughing!<BG>
>
>> The question that has bandied around is whether or not shaving his
>> netherlands was a quirk of Oswald's. If Judyth commented that it was
>> or was not, in her experience, it could have been telling. Since at
>> this point it would seem she is not going to comment on that (good
>> choice on her part probably) it breaks down like this:
>>
>> The shaving most probably took place at the jail. Determining whether
>> or not that was standard practice as a means of keeping crabs out of
>> the jail could confirm this most likely possibility.
>>
>> Why is it most likely?
>>
>> Because in the throes of attempting to save the life of someone
>> bleeding out internally in the upper abdomen, shaving the pubic are
>> would have been nonsense, but more importantly....
>>
>> .... pubic hair samples were taken by the DPD for comparison with
>> pubic hairs found on the blanket.
>>
>> Thus....
>>
>> He had pubic hair when he was taken in by the DPD, but...
>>
>> ...he had no pubic hair at autopsy.
>>
>> So it's not really a big mystery,
>
> Yah, apparently they went overboard taking samples.
YOUCH!
>
>> nor even a curiosity about Oswald,
>> at all, imo.
>>
>> Bests,
>> Barb :-)
Barb :-)
Barb Junkkarinen
"Body" as in no longer living ... or as in when he was rushed in? Some
shaving took place as they were getting ready to open him up. That
wouldn't have been below the Mason-Dixon line .... no reason and the
guy was bleeding out internally ... I kind of wonder just how
thoroughly they even got the incision area shaved ... or why they
bothered.
>
>When I asked about police taking samples of the pubic hair to account for
>the absence of hair - he said he would have been surprised if the body was
>shaven for just a few samples - but, then again, they could have for
>whatever reason.
Me thinks they plucked the ones they took for samples ... generally
the case anyway to be able to make comparisons ... might need the root
end too. Somewhere (please don't ask me where!) I think I recall that
it was like 3 or 4 hairs that they took for samples. Probably in the
WR where they talk about the blanket.
Bests,
Barb :-)
>
>Martha
>
>
Barb Junkkarinen
I agree ... certainly not for taking samples for the lab. But I've
been told that some places did shave prisoners for hygiene reasons.
Don't know if that was the practice in Dallas or not. Somebody call
Leavelle ... Russ .. you out there, bud?
Barb :-)
>
>-Stu
R J Johnson
news:4122...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu...
: Did I mis-read the autopsy report or didn't it say chest hairs were also
: shaved? Been quite some time since I looked it over. I took a copy of the
: report to my specialist when I went for a check-up at a major teaching
: hospital in mid-west several years back. He said body was shaved when it
: arrived at hospital.
After I got out of the Navy, I worked as an OR Tech for two years. While a
Naval Corpsman, I also prepped patients for surgery. At that time (early
70's) the standard prep for abdominal surgery on a male was to shave from
just under the nipple line down to mid-thigh. I was told the reason for this
was to prevent any hair from getting into the surgical site and causing a
post surgical infection.
An experienced tech with a straight edge razor can accomplish this in a few
minutes. This was done even on the emergency cases and didn't take any
longer than other procedures being done at the same time such as starting
the IV. It's what is meant by the phrase "prep him for surgery."
--
---- Robert J. Johnson
Martin Shackelford
Martin
Barb Junkkarinen
<msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>The evidence pubic hair samples have cut ends.
>
>Martin
Thanks ... good, then they cut instead of plucked. Sounds more
comfortable anyway...
Barb :-)
Stugrad98
great. I've always looked at the shaved pubic hair as evidence that Oswald
may have batted from both sides of the plate (as well as other things). If it
was all the DPD, I would consider changing that opinion.
-Stu
Barb Junkkarinen
Hey Stu,
I've heard that thesis before too ... which is why I was hoping Judyth
might comment. But it really comes down to him having pubic hair when
he arrived at the DPD ... but not having any when the autopsy started,
so doubtful on it being some personal quirk.
If Russ sees this .. or if someone has his current e address, I don't
... he may be willing to call Leavelle who would know whether or not
something like that was SOP at the time.
Barb :-)
Stugrad98
DPD. Those could have simply been what few regrown hairs that were there when
he got there.
Barb Junkkarinen
Bad visuals ... don't even want to go there, Stu.<g> Okaaay, maybe he
was a sloppy shaver .... aaaaack, don't want to picture this....
Barb :-)
banwllm5
Doing OK. If I can work, I must be just fine, thank you, fine.
The shaving described further in the thread by R J Johnson sounds right to
me. My recollection from years past is no hair was in evidence above the
knees. Of course, this does not rule out previous anti-vermin, uh,
efforts.
Maybe you should check with Elrod? <g>
Bill B
Martin Shackelford
evidence submitted as: "hair from head, chest, arms, legs, public area of
Lee Oswald." It was dated November 23, 1963, and notes that the evidence
was "Released to Hall of FBI."
Martin
Barb Junkkarinen
>Hey, Barb,
>
>Doing OK. If I can work, I must be just fine, thank you, fine.
FANTASTIC!!!
Barb :-)
Ricky Tobias
<barbRE...@comcast.net> wrote:
True but it has been known to occur. Aids most often do the shaving and
preparation which takes only a few minutes at most in an emergency. In a
trauma team effort five people are given specific tasks, start IV, remove
cloths, draw labs, insert foley catheter, shave for surgery,.... All of
this occurs very quickly (10 minutes). It is possible that it was done in
ER or OR as a matter of routine by some aid. The incision goes from the
lower sternum to the pubic bone requiring him to be shaved but they were
also doing CPR (as I recall) so infection is not a major concern.
>.... pubic hair samples were taken by the DPD for comparison with
>pubic hairs found on the blanket.
>
>Thus....
>
>He had pubic hair when he was taken in by the DPD, but...
>
>...he had no pubic hair at autopsy.
>
>So it's not rreally a big mystery, nor even a curiosity about Oswald,
>at all, imo.
>
>Bests,
>Barb :-)
>
Ricky
"Ballistic Findings in the JFK Autopsy Photos".
An early draft with some errors is posted at:
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/Issues_and_evidence/Frontal_shot(s)/Tobias_frontal_shots/Tobias--Ballistics_Findings.html
Problems try:
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/JFK.html
Then go to: Issues and evidence
Then go to: Frontal shot(s)
or
go to: Notices and recent additions to the site
Then find above title posted April 11, 2001.
Ricky Tobias
No it was not the practice in Dallas. Shaving for hygiene is a medical
treatment and costs money and would result in many lawsuits. People sue
for being strip searched and body cavity searched they will sue for being
shaved. One would clip the hair closely (1/16") and not actually shave it
in most hygiene cases. Think of the fights and man power need to enforce
a pubic shaving policy. It would be considered cruel and unusual
punishment thus releasing the prisoners. It is cheaper to use the
de-lousing powders and sprays which were mandated by state law or policy.
Stugrad98
I don't dispute that there could have been hairs. But I am curious if he
simply had a few regrown hairs rather than completely unshaven. The reason
is that it is odd procedure for someone to remove everything.
-Stu