Another CT Myth Busted

[claviger]

CTs claim Marina Oswald was so opposed to the idea of moving back to
Russia that the FBI and Secret Service were able to use this threat to
manipulate her testimony. The truth is just the opposite. Marina was
anxious to move back to Russia where she could get a job she was trained
to do and be closer to her relatives. In her correspondence there is a
tone of desperation where she is pleading for permission to get back to
Russia asap and settle in Leningrad. Marina's initial application is for
just herself and child which is why she is requesting financial aid to
return without her husband. Later she includes the husband in an
application for the whole family.

This correspondence reveals a persistent six month effort on her part to
relocate back to the USSR.

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CE 7 February 17, 1963
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0017b.htm


CE 8 March 8, 1963
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0018a.htm


CE 9 March 17, 1963
p. 1
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0019b.htm
p. 2
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0020b.htm
p. 3
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0021b.htm
p. 4
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0022b.htm

CE 12
p. 1
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0025b.htm
p. 2
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0026b.htm
p. 3
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0027a.htm

CE 14 July 8, 1963
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0028b.htm

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

Didn't the Soviets end up rejecting these requests?

Oswald went to the Soviet Embassy in MC in late September. The Soviets
there said it would take 6 months for his visa to be processed. He asked
them to wire Washington to expedite things. The next day he came back and
asked about the status of his request.

They told him again it would take another six months. He nearly had a
nervous breakdown stating that the FBI was following him and he couldn't
wait. He waved around his revolver saying that he needed it for
protection. A complete meltdown.

The man was falling apart. So was his life.

By November of 1963 he was at a dead end.

[David Von Pein]

Come to think of it, Marina's returning to Russia certainly wouldn't have
been a fate worse than death for Marina. Why would it be? She's Russian.
She's from Russia. She has her family there, etc.

Ruth Paine has testified, however, that Marina did not want to return to
Russia....

"She wanted to stay here [in America] very much; she did not want to go
back to the Soviet Union." -- Ruth Paine; at the 1986 mock trial

http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/07/ruth-paine.html

[mainframetech]

So he was waiting for word that he was going back to Russia? If so, why
jump up and kill the president? That might ruin his plans.

Chris

[mainframetech]

Marina probably remained afraid of the American authorities anyway.
She came from a country where the state controls all, and people often
were hauled off to work in Siberia. She would be afraid of what they
could do to her before she could get away. Speaking little English and
being a mother.

So now that she has become an American citizen (why? If she was
returning to Russia, why bother) and has less fear of the authorities, she
chose to remain here. When do you suppose she changed her mind and
decided to stay here?

Chris

[Anthony Marsh]

She didn't want to return to the Soviet Union.

> chose to remain here. When do you suppose she changed her mind and
> decided to stay here?
>

After the SS assured her that if she cooperated she would not be deported.

> Chris
>

[Anthony Marsh]

On 11/27/2014 12:20 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
> Come to think of it, Marina's returning to Russia certainly wouldn't have
> been a fate worse than death for Marina. Why would it be? She's Russian.
> She's from Russia. She has her family there, etc.
>

Why do you think so many millions of Russians were anxious to escape to
the West? Do you think the Berlin Wall was constructed to keep Westerns
from escaping to Russia?

> Ruth Paine has testified, however, that Marina did not want to return to
> Russia....
>
> "She wanted to stay here [in America] very much; she did not want to go
> back to the Soviet Union." -- Ruth Paine; at the 1986 mock trial
>
> http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/07/ruth-paine.html
>

You are free to make up crap because:
A. You've never known anyone from Russia, and
B. You've never talked to Marina.
So you think Russia was wonderful and all the artists in the US defected
to Russia.

[mainframetech]

As well, as time went on, Marina chose to stay here and become a
citizen, making it even less of a chance she would go to Russia. Odd that
she wanted to go back before the murder, and Oswald also wanted to, as a
family.

Chris

[Ace Kefford]

From what I have read Lee Oswald wanted to go back or use a supposed
return to Russia as a way to get to Cuba. Whether Marina really wanted to
go back is unclear and in my opinion unlikely.

[John Gavin]

And of course the obvious - it's 51 years later and Marina is living in
Texas. Why isn't she in Russia?

Is this CT myth busting? Yikes.

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

I agree, I don't think she wanted to go back but she did love Oswald and
he wanted to leave the US. And he wanted to go to Cuba first.

Remember the circumstances of their decision to return: Lee had just been
fired from his job (again), he had no source of income, prospects were
poor....they were trapped with little chance of much of a future here.

Oswald came up with the bizarre scheme to have Marina and the child, later
children, return to the Soviet Union, he would go to Cuba and then later
either meet them in the Soviet Union or have them come to Cuba (this
latter is a guess).

Before then he would develop a pro-Castro resume to impress the Cubans.
All of that pro-Castro work was for that.

Unfortunately for Lee (and JFK and history), the Cubans weren't much
impressed.

Oswald's meeting with the Soviet Embassy officials (all KGB) is eye
opening. The man comes across as completely unstable and coming apart.
Maybe some of it was an act to get the Soviets to expedite his visa
request; but I don't think all of it was.

By November 22 his life was a mess. His behavior those last month or two
of his life were the actions of a desperate man doing desperate things.

[Anthony Marsh]

How does that work? Travel to Moscow and then take a flight to Cuba? I
thought he asked the Cubans for a visa to Cuba to help him get to Moscow.
I am sure Marina did not want to go to Cuba with 2 little children.

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

The important point is what Marina says and whether we can corroborate it.

Not where she lives.

As the saying goes, before you question someone's motives, answer his or
her arguments.

But I don't think like many CTers do so my logical and reason isn't valid.

[Robert Harris]

Almost 20 years ago, Mary La Fontaine asked Marina if she was coerced by
anyone about her WC testimony. She said no, she was not pressured to say
anything, by anybody.

You see, there are people in the world who actually take the trouble to
research issues like this, rather than just auto-attacking everything
said by the other "team".



Robert Harris

[mainframetech]

On Sunday, November 30, 2014 5:24:27 PM UTC-5, Robert Harris wrote:
> Almost 20 years ago, Mary La Fontaine asked Marina if she was coerced by
> anyone about her WC testimony. She said no, she was not pressured to say
> anything, by anybody.
>
> You see, there are people in the world who actually take the trouble to
> research issues like this, rather than just auto-attacking everything
> said by the other "team".
>
>
>
> Robert Harris
>

Sorry Robert, but think it through. If she had lied before at the
behest of the authorities, would she be ready to admit that now? As much
as it seems possible that she was coerced by authorities back in '63-64,
we won't know until she admits it. Until then you have no proof of
anything if she says she didn't lie. So we're right where we were before
you made the effort.


Chris

[CLAY BERTRAND RUSSELL]

Marsh, are you still blaming the CIA for Hurricane Katrina?

[claviger]

On Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:24:27 PM UTC-6, Robert Harris wrote:
> Almost 20 years ago, Mary La Fontaine asked Marina if she was coerced by
> anyone about her WC testimony. She said no, she was not pressured to say
> anything, by anybody.
>
> You see, there are people in the world who actually take the trouble to
> research issues like this, rather than just auto-attacking everything
> said by the other "team".
>
> Robert Harris

Robert,

Thanks for the info. I agree with your sentiment. There is no evidence
Marina was ever intimidated by deportation back to her homeland. For six
months she had been imploring the Soviet Embassy to provide travel
documents and financial aid to repatriate back to Russia. If one takes
the time to read all her letters in sequence it's obvious she is having
marital problems and needs to return home. Towards the end of her
correspondence she adds LHO to the list which indicates the whole family
now wants to relocate back to Russia.

Why the Soviets delayed approval for so long is a mystery because it would
have been a major propaganda victory for the Kremlin to publicize in the
international media. If I had a twinge of doubt as to her purpose in the
USA I might wonder if the KGB was not ready for her to come home just yet.

Maybe I'm naive but I still believe she was simply a young woman who
married a Jekyll-Hyde type husband who is now stranded in a foreign
country, where she does not speak the language and has no way to earn a
living on her own. Compared to that situation her Russian homeland looks
like a much better alternative. A completely logical decision on her
part. Within two years she meets Kenneth Porter who can provide her a
home and normal life, so she marries and stays in Texas.

The very good luck in meeting a future husband in no way contradicts her
numerous pleas to the Soviet Embassy to expedite her return to the Soviet
Union. She even picked out Leningrad (Saint Petersburg), the most
beautiful city in Russia, where she had the best chance of getting a job
at a pharmacy. This would be a major upgrade from Minsk. Today Saint
Petersburg is a vibrant city and a major tourist attraction.

We know her story evolved over time, when her daughters were teenagers
Marina changed her opinion as to the guilt of LHO. By then Marina was
aware of numerous conspiracy theories and its not hard to understand as a
devoted mother she shifted into CT mode for the sake of her children.

In 1963 there was no doubt in her mind LHO was guilty, the same belief
shared by Robert Oswald. He has never wavered from that opinion.

[mainframetech]

If near the end, Marina's letters were showing that the whole family
wanted to go back to Russia, why screw it all up by killing the president?
Sounds like ol' Oswald was innocent of murder after all...:)

Chris

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

Recall the incident that led her to ask the Soviets to allow her to
return? And that Lee added a note to her first request that the Soviets
consider his request separately?

My understanding - I need to find the source - is that the Soviets
eventually decided to turn both Lee and Marina's requests down.

Oswald went to the Soviet Embassy in MC requesting one because the Cubans
demanded he show them a visa to the USSR before they would grant him an in
transit one. The Soviet officials said it would take several months and
Oswald said he didn't have that long to wait. So he asked them to wire
Washington to expedite the process.

He comes back the next day (Saturday) demanding an meeting (even though
the embassy was officially closed that day). The Soviets again say it's
going to take months and Oswald has a near breakdown.

In any case, it sure seems obvious that the Soviets had no interest in
allowing them back propaganda coup or not. After all, the KGB was quite
happy when Oswald left the Soviet Union before.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 12/1/2014 7:48 PM, claviger wrote:
> On Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:24:27 PM UTC-6, Robert Harris wrote:
>> Almost 20 years ago, Mary La Fontaine asked Marina if she was coerced by
>> anyone about her WC testimony. She said no, she was not pressured to say
>> anything, by anybody.
>>
>> You see, there are people in the world who actually take the trouble to
>> research issues like this, rather than just auto-attacking everything
>> said by the other "team".
>>
>> Robert Harris
>
> Robert,
>
> Thanks for the info. I agree with your sentiment. There is no evidence
> Marina was ever intimidated by deportation back to her homeland. For six

Marina was threatened with deportation if she didn't cooperate.

[Bud]

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 9:54:58 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 12/1/2014 7:48 PM, claviger wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:24:27 PM UTC-6, Robert Harris wrote:
> >> Almost 20 years ago, Mary La Fontaine asked Marina if she was coerced by
> >> anyone about her WC testimony. She said no, she was not pressured to say
> >> anything, by anybody.
> >>
> >> You see, there are people in the world who actually take the trouble to
> >> research issues like this, rather than just auto-attacking everything
> >> said by the other "team".
> >>
> >> Robert Harris
> >
> > Robert,
> >
> > Thanks for the info. I agree with your sentiment. There is no evidence
> > Marina was ever intimidated by deportation back to her homeland. For six
>
> Marina was threatened with deportation if she didn't cooperate.

Nothing wrong with that. She had inside information about the person who
killed an American President. If she didn`t want to help the investigation
why should she be allowed to stay?

[claviger]

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:54:58 PM UTC-6, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 12/1/2014 7:48 PM, claviger wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:24:27 PM UTC-6, Robert Harris wrote:
> >> Almost 20 years ago, Mary La Fontaine asked Marina if she was coerced by
> >> anyone about her WC testimony. She said no, she was not pressured to say
> >> anything, by anybody.
> >>
> >> You see, there are people in the world who actually take the trouble to
> >> research issues like this, rather than just auto-attacking everything
> >> said by the other "team".
> >>
> >> Robert Harris
> >
> > Robert,
> >
> > Thanks for the info. I agree with your sentiment. There is no evidence
> > Marina was ever intimidated by deportation back to her homeland. For six
>
> Marina was threatened with deportation if she didn't cooperate.

Cite please.

I wonder if the FBI was even aware of her correspondence with the Soviet
Embassy? If they were then the threat of deportation would not be much
help, she had been trying to return for six months! Marina might have
taken them up on a free trip back to Russia but the USSR would have to
approve it or they could deny her entrance, in which case the US
Government would have to pay for her return trip back to the USA.

What was the value of her testimony? She took the backyard photos and was
aware of the rifle. De Mohrenschildt also had photos and knew about the
rifle. LHO confessed to Marina about shooting at Walker. She was not an
eyewitness to that event. Even if she had never seen the rifle the FBI
proved it was shipped to his mailbox. The FBI had solid forensic evidence
connecting LHO to the rifle and pistol.

Several witnesses saw a sniper in the 6th floor window. Other witnesses
saw LHO shoot officer Tippit. District Attorney Henry Wade had enough
evidence to get a death penalty on the Tippit murder alone. He also had
strong circumstantial evidence to get a conviction on the murder of
President Kennedy as well. This would happen even if Marina had clammed
up and refused to cooperate.

Marina was looking for a free trip back to Russia. She could have gamed
the system by accepting the threat of forced deportation. It would have
saved the Soviet Government the cost of flying her back. This would be a
win-win situation for Marina and the Russians. From a PR standpoint it
would backfire on the FBI because the US public was sympathetic to
Marina's situation and charmed by her wholesome Donna Reid good looks.

It would have been a long term mistake as well in case Marina ever changed
her mind and decided to tell more secrets. Marina was put through several
long Q&A sessions and very little came from all that. Had she departed to
Russia before the assassination the FBI would still have evidence
connecting LHO to this national crime.

Marina never admitted to being threatened with deportation. She did
express dislike for the FBI Agents who questioned her but liked the Secret
Service Agents. So the classic good cop/bad cop situation was in play.
Even if the FBI had attempted to coerce her with deportation all she had
to do is say "OK" and she gets a free ride back to her native country.
If she was threatened by the FBI she must have been laughing on the
inside. The Soviets would not pay for her trip to mother Russia but the
FBI would. Is that punishment or reward?

[Anthony Marsh]

On 12/6/2014 1:33 PM, claviger wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:54:58 PM UTC-6, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 12/1/2014 7:48 PM, claviger wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:24:27 PM UTC-6, Robert Harris wrote:
>>>> Almost 20 years ago, Mary La Fontaine asked Marina if she was coerced by
>>>> anyone about her WC testimony. She said no, she was not pressured to say
>>>> anything, by anybody.
>>>>
>>>> You see, there are people in the world who actually take the trouble to
>>>> research issues like this, rather than just auto-attacking everything
>>>> said by the other "team".
>>>>
>>>> Robert Harris
>>>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info. I agree with your sentiment. There is no evidence
>>> Marina was ever intimidated by deportation back to her homeland. For six
>>
>> Marina was threatened with deportation if she didn't cooperate.
>
> Cite please.
>

Marina.

> I wonder if the FBI was even aware of her correspondence with the Soviet
> Embassy? If they were then the threat of deportation would not be much
> help, she had been trying to return for six months! Marina might have
> taken them up on a free trip back to Russia but the USSR would have to
> approve it or they could deny her entrance, in which case the US
> Government would have to pay for her return trip back to the USA.
>

Maybe the CIA was aware, but they wouldn't share it with the FBI.
The US government would not have to pay for her return trip to the US.
She was not an American Citizen then.

> What was the value of her testimony? She took the backyard photos and was
> aware of the rifle. De Mohrenschildt also had photos and knew about the
> rifle. LHO confessed to Marina about shooting at Walker. She was not an
> eyewitness to that event. Even if she had never seen the rifle the FBI
> proved it was shipped to his mailbox. The FBI had solid forensic evidence
> connecting LHO to the rifle and pistol.

Yeah, so what? No one tried to connect Oswald to the Walker shooting
until AFTER the JFK shooting.

>
> Several witnesses saw a sniper in the 6th floor window. Other witnesses
> saw LHO shoot officer Tippit. District Attorney Henry Wade had enough
> evidence to get a death penalty on the Tippit murder alone. He also had
> strong circumstantial evidence to get a conviction on the murder of
> President Kennedy as well. This would happen even if Marina had clammed
> up and refused to cooperate.
>

Let me remind you again for the 4,000th time, I have no problem with a
death penalty for shooting Tippit. You are preaching to the choir.

> Marina was looking for a free trip back to Russia. She could have gamed
> the system by accepting the threat of forced deportation. It would have
> saved the Soviet Government the cost of flying her back. This would be a
> win-win situation for Marina and the Russians. From a PR standpoint it
> would backfire on the FBI because the US public was sympathetic to
> Marina's situation and charmed by her wholesome Donna Reid good looks.
>
> It would have been a long term mistake as well in case Marina ever changed
> her mind and decided to tell more secrets. Marina was put through several
> long Q&A sessions and very little came from all that. Had she departed to

How do we know, given the way they covered up everything.
She could have told them that she was the Queen of Diamonds and they
would cover it up.

> Russia before the assassination the FBI would still have evidence
> connecting LHO to this national crime.
>
> Marina never admitted to being threatened with deportation. She did

She said she was threatened with deportation.

> express dislike for the FBI Agents who questioned her but liked the Secret
> Service Agents. So the classic good cop/bad cop situation was in play.
> Even if the FBI had attempted to coerce her with deportation all she had
> to do is say "OK" and she gets a free ride back to her native country.

EVEN IF? I thought you just said it never happened.
Does the FBI deport people? No, but they make the threat all the time.

> If she was threatened by the FBI she must have been laughing on the
> inside. The Soviets would not pay for her trip to mother Russia but the
> FBI would. Is that punishment or reward?
>

You think the KGB would welcome her with open arms?
It was trying to avoid WWIII.
Ever hear of Lubyanka?

>

[mainframetech]

That all sounds like it fits together, but why then didn't Marina keep
trying to go back? When the foofaraw was over, she decided to stay, and
became a citizen. Why would she take her kids back to Russia, knowing
what awaited them there for a way of life? She married a guy from the US
(Porter) and assured her place in the states through him. As far as I
know, there was no effort to even just visit Russia at that point.

chris

[mainframetech]

> Chris



At last I found the answer. I read "Marina and Lee" by Priscilla
MvMillan and it says:

"On that very day Lee made good his earlier threats. He forced Marina, a
Soviet citizen, to sit down and write to Nikolai Reznichenko, chief of the
consular section of the So- viet Embassy in Washington, asking officially
that she and June be al- lowed to return to the U.S.S.R. alone, without
Lee. In a message that was dictated by Lee, Marina asked the embassy to
give her "mate- rial aid" for the journey. Having moved heaven and earth
to get his wife and child out of Russia, Lee, less than a year later, was
asking the Soviet government to pay for their return."

"Marina and Lee" by Priscilla McMillan Page 324

Yep, the answer is that Marina did not want to go to Russia at all.
She was forced by Oswald to write the letters to the embassy. She made it
clear even further here in a letter to Ruth Paine:

"He insists that I leave America, and this I don't want at all. I like
America very much and I think that even without Lee I would not be lost
here. What do you think?"

"Marina and Lee" by Priscilla McMillan Page 402

Chris

[claviger]

She did for 6 months, then all hell broke loose when the crazy jerk she
was married to shot the President. At that point the SSA, FBI, and TPCAPK
took a very keen interest in her. First they needed to protect her and
second, she was the central witness. Third, to determine if she was an
accessory to this crime. A couple of websites insinuate the KGB arranged
her marriage to LHO.

> When the foofaraw was over, she decided to stay, and became a citizen.

It wasn't a foofaraw. She was serious about relocating back to Russia
because her marriage was on the rocks and she needed a job to support two
children. Her goofball husband was more interested in shooting
politicians than earning a good living legally.

> Why would she take her kids back to Russia, knowing what awaited them
> there for a way of life?

Because it was her only option at the time.

> She married a guy from the US (Porter) and assured her place in the states
> through him. As far as I know, there was no effort to even just visit Russia
> at that point.
> chris

Why would she? Nobody has argued Russia was her 1st choice. Pretty obvious
she wanted to stay in Texas if possible. Russia was simply her 2nd choice
for all the reasons explained to you.

Not just Russia, but Leningrad (St Petersburg) because she lived there
before and had connections.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 5/14/2016 9:58 AM, claviger wrote:
> On Sunday, December 7, 2014 at 8:45:51 AM UTC-6, mainframetech wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 6, 2014 1:33:11 PM UTC-5, claviger wrote:
>>
>> That all sounds like it fits together, but why then didn't Marina keep
>> trying to go back?
>
> She did for 6 months, then all hell broke loose when the crazy jerk she
> was married to shot the President. At that point the SSA, FBI, and TPCAPK
> took a very keen interest in her. First they needed to protect her and
> second, she was the central witness. Third, to determine if she was an
> accessory to this crime. A couple of websites insinuate the KGB arranged
> her marriage to LHO.
>

Why didn't it all come apart when he said he killed Walker?

>> When the foofaraw was over, she decided to stay, and became a citizen.
>
> It wasn't a foofaraw. She was serious about relocating back to Russia
> because her marriage was on the rocks and she needed a job to support two
> children. Her goofball husband was more interested in shooting
> politicians than earning a good living legally.
>

She didn't need no damn stinkin job. Ruth Paine would take care of her
out of sympathy and religious obligation. That's what Quakers do.

>> Why would she take her kids back to Russia, knowing what awaited them
>> there for a way of life?
>
> Because it was her only option at the time.
>

Her kids were Americans. It would be cruel to deport them to a Gulag.

[mainframetech]

On Saturday, May 14, 2016 at 9:58:23 AM UTC-4, claviger wrote:
> On Sunday, December 7, 2014 at 8:45:51 AM UTC-6, mainframetech wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 6, 2014 1:33:11 PM UTC-5, claviger wrote:
> >
> > That all sounds like it fits together, but why then didn't Marina keep
> > trying to go back?
>
> She did for 6 months, then all hell broke loose when the crazy jerk she
> was married to shot the President. At that point the SSA, FBI, and TPCAPK
> took a very keen interest in her. First they needed to protect her and
> second, she was the central witness. Third, to determine if she was an
> accessory to this crime. A couple of websites insinuate the KGB arranged
> her marriage to LHO.
>

WRONG! I've showed the proof that Marina did NOT want to go back to
Russia, and Oswald was forcing her to write letters saying she wanted to
go back when she didn't want to. Didn't you see the proof of that when I
showed it?

> > When the foofaraw was over, she decided to stay, and became a citizen.
>
> It wasn't a foofaraw. She was serious about relocating back to Russia
> because her marriage was on the rocks and she needed a job to support two
> children. Her goofball husband was more interested in shooting
> politicians than earning a good living legally.
>

Go back and check the proof I put out. She wanted no part of going
back. Here it is again:

"On that very day Lee made good his earlier threats. He forced Marina, a
Soviet citizen, to sit down and write to Nikolai Reznichenko, chief of the
consular section of the So- viet Embassy in Washington, asking officially
that she and June be al- lowed to return to the U.S.S.R. alone, without
Lee. In a message that was dictated by Lee, Marina asked the embassy to
give her "mate- rial aid" for the journey. Having moved heaven and earth
to get his wife and child out of Russia, Lee, less than a year later, was
asking the Soviet government to pay for their return."

"Marina and Lee" by Priscilla McMillan Page 324

Marina did not want to go to Russia and leave the USA. She thought she

could make out on her own here. In a letter to Ruth Paine she said:

"He insists that I leave America, and this I don't want at all. I like
America very much and I think that even without Lee I would not be lost
here. What do you think?"

"Marina and Lee" by Priscilla McMillan Page 402

> > Why would she take her kids back to Russia, knowing what awaited them
> > there for a way of life?
>
> Because it was her only option at the time.
>

WRONG! She said she had a way to survive without him and not go back.
Se above.

> > She married a guy from the US (Porter) and assured her place in the states
> > through him. As far as I know, there was no effort to even just visit Russia
> > at that point.

>

> Why would she? Nobody has argued Russia was her 1st choice. Pretty obvious
> she wanted to stay in Texas if possible. Russia was simply her 2nd choice
> for all the reasons explained to you.
>
> Not just Russia, but Leningrad (St Petersburg) because she lived there
> before and had connections.

She vary badly did NOT wasn't to go back. See above.

Chris

[Anthony Marsh]

Somewhat true, but you have to remember that Priscilla was working for
the CIA.

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