Witnesses Rifle 6th Floor TSBD

[claviger]

Eye Witnesses Rifle on 6th floor TSBD:

1) H.L. Brennan

2) Mrs. Earl Cabell

3) M.O. Couch

4) J.N. Crawford

5) R.E. Edwards

6) A. L. Euins

7) R.B. Fischer

8) R.H. Jackson

9) A.L. Rowland

10) J.R. Worrell


Ear Witnesses:

1) J.E. Jarman Jr

2) H.H. Norman

3) B.R. Williams


Combination 13 Witnesses to Rifle on 6th Floor TSBD.

[Anthony Marsh]

Many heard the shots. Only a couple saw a rifle.

[donald willis]

We've done this before. You can knock out most of these 6th-floor
witnesses. Or leave it ambiguous, like Worrell and Couch, who weren't
sure WHICH floor....

[claviger]

On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 8:24:13 PM UTC-6, donald willis wrote:
> On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 6:33:06 PM UTC-8, claviger wrote:
> > Eye Witnesses Rifle on 6th floor TSBD:
> >
> > 1) H.L. Brennan
> >
> > 2) Mrs. Earl Cabell
> >
> > 3) M.O. Couch
> >
> > 4) J.N. Crawford
> >
> > 5) R.E. Edwards
> >
> > 6) A. L. Euins
> >
> > 7) R.B. Fischer
> >
> > 8) R.H. Jackson
> >
> > 9) A.L. Rowland
> >
> > 10) J.R. Worrell
> >
> >
> > Ear Witnesses:
> >
> > 1) J.E. Jarman Jr
> >
> > 2) H.H. Norman
> >
> > 3) B.R. Williams
> >
> >
> > Combination 13 Witnesses to Rifle on 6th Floor TSBD.
>
> We've done this before.

Done what before?

> You can knock out most of these 6th-floor witnesses.

No you can't.

> Or leave it ambiguous, like Worrell and Couch, who weren't
> sure WHICH floor....

More of the trivial pursuit game you like to play and you lose
every time.

[Anthony Marsh]

The aoustical evidence proves that 3 shots were fired from the sniper's
net, but not by whom. Maybe by which rifle.

[donald willis]

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 2:12:27 PM UTC-8, claviger wrote:
> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 8:24:13 PM UTC-6, donald willis wrote:
> > On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 6:33:06 PM UTC-8, claviger wrote:
> > > Eye Witnesses Rifle on 6th floor TSBD:
> > >

> > > 1) H.L. Brennan***
> > >
> > > 2) Mrs. Earl Cabell
> > >
> > > 3) M.O. Couch***
> > >
> > > 4) J.N. Crawford
> > >
> > > 5) R.E. Edwards***
> > >
> > > 6) A. L. Euins
> > >
> > > 7) R.B. Fischer***
> > >
> > > 8) R.H. Jackson***

> > >
> > > 9) A.L. Rowland
> > >
> > > 10) J.R. Worrell
> > >
> > >
> > > Ear Witnesses:
> > >
> > > 1) J.E. Jarman Jr
> > >
> > > 2) H.H. Norman
> > >
> > > 3) B.R. Williams
> > >
> > >
> > > Combination 13 Witnesses to Rifle on 6th Floor TSBD.
> >
> > We've done this before.
>
> Done what before?
>
> > You can knock out most of these 6th-floor witnesses.
>
> No you can't.

Five right off the bat. All those marked *** above testified that the
sniper's window was wide open. Euins initially said the shooter was
"colored". Worrell wasn't sure at all which floor (if I 'member
correctly).

>
> > Or leave it ambiguous, like Worrell and Couch, who weren't
> > sure WHICH floor....
>
> More of the trivial pursuit game you like to play and you lose
> every time.

Don't look now, but you just lost! Knocked out about 7 of your 12.

[claviger]

So you flunked math in grade school? Even with your goofy silliness
12 - 7 = 5 witnesses to a rifle on the 6th floor! Remember this part
of elementary school math: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 ! ! ! ! !

How many witnesses do you have for a rifle in the 5th floor window?
Be sure to include Inside and Outside witnesses.

[David Von Pein]

I'm curious.....

When did Fischer and Edwards ever say they saw the rifle in the window?
They certainly never said that in their affidavits. And they didn't say it
to the WC.

[donald willis]

5 witnesses marked with an asterisk = Euins & Worrell = 7 fails for you.

> How many witnesses do you have for a rifle in the 5th floor window?

How many witnesses do you have for a rifle, specifying at a half-open
window? Oh, yes. One--Euins, who originally said the shooter was
"colored".

[donald willis]

Yow! I didn't catch Claviger's mistake. Thank you. I don't think Couch
saw the rifle either. Just Jackson and Dillard in Camera Car 3....

dcw

[claviger]

I noticed Fischer and Edwards on another list so added them in, but I
should have double checked them myself. Thanks for asking the question.
They are good witnesses to a white guy in the 6th floor window but did not
see a rifle. They gave detailed descriptions of the guy that were a close
match for LHO.

[claviger]

Answer the question.

> > Be sure to include Inside and Outside witnesses.

< crickets >

[claviger]

On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 4:02:30 PM UTC-6, donald willis wrote:
> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 2:12:27 PM UTC-8, claviger wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 8:24:13 PM UTC-6, donald willis wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 6:33:06 PM UTC-8, claviger wrote:
> > > > Eye Witnesses Rifle on 6th floor TSBD:
> > > >
> > > > 1) H.L. Brennan***

This photo confirms Brennan was in perfect
position to see LHO in the 6th floor window:
http://whokilledjfk.net/Dupe%20Images/single21.jpg

> > > > 2) Mrs. Earl Cabell
> > > > 3) M.O. Couch***

JFK Assassination Witness: Mal Couch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMdTqLvvWVk

> > > > 4) J.N. Crawford
> > > > 5) R.E. Edwards***

Saw man in the 6th floor window who fit the
description of LHO.

> > > > 6) A. L. Euins
> > > > 7) R.B. Fischer***

Saw man in the 6th floor window who fit the
description of LHO.

> > > > 8) R.H. Jackson***

Mr. JACKSON - Then after the last shot, I guess all of us
were just looking all around and I just looked straight up
ahead of me which would have been looking at the
School Book Depository and I noticed two Negro men in
a window straining to see directly above them, and my
eyes followed right on up to the window above them and
I saw the rifle, or what looked like a rifle approximately
half of weapon, I guess I saw. and just looked at it, it was
drawn fairly slowly back into the building, and I saw no
one in the window with it. I didn't even see a form in the
window.
Mr. SPECTER - What did you do next?
Mr. JACKSON - I said "There is the gun," or it came from
that window. I tried to point it out. But by the time the
other people looked up, of course, it was gone, and about
that time, we were beginning to turn the corner.
Mr. SPECTER - Which corner were you beginning to turn?
Mr. JACKSON - Houston onto Elm.

> > > > 9) A.L. Rowland
> > > > 10) J.R. Worrell
> > > > Ear Witnesses:
> > > > 1) J.E. Jarman Jr
> > > > 2) H.H. Norman
> > > > 3) B.R. Williams

Combination 11 Witnesses to Rifle on 6th Floor TSBD.

> > > We've done this before.
> > Done what before?
> > > You can knock out most of these 6th-floor witnesses.
> > No you can't.
> Five right off the bat. All those marked *** above testified that the
> sniper's window was wide open. Euins initially said the shooter was
> "colored". Worrell wasn't sure at all which floor (if I 'member
> correctly).
> > > Or leave it ambiguous, like Worrell and Couch, who weren't
> > > sure WHICH floor....

Unlike you they easily figured it out.

> > More of the trivial pursuit game you like to play and you lose
> > every time.
> Don't look now, but you just lost! Knocked out about 7 of your 12.

That leaves 5 you can't deal with, so you lose again!

[claviger]

On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 9:24:03 AM UTC-6, David Von Pein wrote:

Given the fact both of them saw a person in the 6th floor window shortly
before shots were fired from the same window and both described a guy who
fit the description of LHO, I can see why some people would include them
as a material witness in this case.

[donald willis]

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 12:21:39 PM UTC-8, claviger wrote:
> On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 1:03:43 PM UTC-6, donald willis wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 3:36:51 PM UTC-8, claviger wrote:
> >
> > > > > > You can knock out most of these 6th-floor witnesses.
> > > > > No you can't.
> > > > Five right off the bat. All those marked *** above testified that the
> > > > sniper's window was wide open. Euins initially said the shooter was
> > > > "colored". Worrell wasn't sure at all which floor (if I 'member
> > > > correctly).
> > > > > > Or leave it ambiguous, like Worrell and Couch, who weren't
> > > > > > sure WHICH floor....
> > > > > More of the trivial pursuit game you like to play and you lose
> > > > > every time.
> > > > Don't look now, but you just lost! Knocked out about 7 of your 12.
> > > So you flunked math in grade school? Even with your goofy silliness
> > > 12 - 7 = 5 witnesses to a rifle on the 6th floor! Remember this part
> > > of elementary school math: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 ! ! ! ! !
> > 5 witnesses marked with an asterisk = Euins & Worrell = 7 fails for you.
>
> > > How many witnesses do you have for a rifle in the 5th floor window?

Three: Brennan (wide open), Jackson (indicated wide open window), Couch
(thought it was nearly wide open).

Again, how many do you have for a half-open sixth floor window?

Again, one: Euins, with provisos.

dcw

[David Von Pein]

DONALD C. WILLIS SAID:

I don't think Couch saw the rifle either.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Oh yes he did. Mal Couch definitely saw the rifle in the window. He says
so here (on 11/22/63)....

http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2011/05/mal-couch.html

[David Von Pein]

I totally agree. But neither of them saw a rifle in the window. That was
my only point.

[donald willis]

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 6:55:28 PM UTC-8, claviger wrote:
> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 4:02:30 PM UTC-6, donald willis wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 2:12:27 PM UTC-8, claviger wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 8:24:13 PM UTC-6, donald willis wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 6:33:06 PM UTC-8, claviger wrote:
> > > > > Eye Witnesses Rifle on 6th floor TSBD:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) H.L. Brennan***
>
> This photo confirms Brennan was in perfect
> position to see LHO in the 6th floor window:
> http://whokilledjfk.net/Dupe%20Images/single21.jpg

Yes. Was it wide open, like the 5th-floor windows immediately below--as
Brennan testified?

Last I looked, "7" was a larger number than "5"....

[donald willis]

Funny, neither one attended a lineup....

[claviger]

I knew your window obsession would finally show up. For some bizarre
reason you expect every witness to run upstairs and examine the open
window with a tape measure before giving a statement to the Police. In
your fantasy world nothing less will do. The real world does not function
so precisely. The 6th floor window was open when the rifle was pointed at
the Limousine and shots were fired. The 5 witnesses you can't find a way
to challenge confirm that reality. Game over, you lose again.

[Anthony Marsh]

Gee, I hate to be the one to tell you, but never rely on witnesses.
SCIENCE proves that 3 shots were fired from that window. But since you
reject science you have to claim that there was NO RIFLE in that window.

[donald willis]

Just a "game" to you, eh? Okay, we all have our centers of gravity, or
levity.

Originally, it was David Belin's "window obession". After he heard
Brennan testify that the shooter's window was open just like the windows
on the floor immediately below, he asked other witnesses how far the
windows were open. Got the same response from Fischer and Edwards and
Couch: "My impression was that it was all the way open." (Couch)

Checkmate.

dcw

[Anthony Marsh]

Well Duh! Try to fire any shots at the limo with the window CLOSED. The
issue is that the window was not wide open as some people claimed. It was
barely open and that made the shooting angle difficult. Yes, you can see
through the window, but witnesses can not see CLEARLY through a closed
window.

[claviger]

You treat it like a parlor game and you lose every time.

> Originally, it was David Belin's "window obession". After he heard
> Brennan testify that the shooter's window was open just like the windows
> on the floor immediately below, he asked other witnesses how far the
> windows were open. Got the same response from Fischer and Edwards and
> Couch: "My impression was that it was all the way open." (Couch)
> Checkmate.
> dcw

You checkmate yourself, like putting a gun to your head and yelling
"Stop or I'll shoot!"

[claviger]

How many open windows on the 7th floor?

How many witnesses on the 5th floor?

[donald willis]

Now, dear, who was it that said "Game over"? (See above!)

> > Originally, it was David Belin's "window obession". After he heard
> > Brennan testify that the shooter's window was open just like the windows
> > on the floor immediately below, he asked other witnesses how far the
> > windows were open. Got the same response from Fischer and Edwards and
> > Couch: "My impression was that it was all the way open." (Couch)
> > Checkmate.
> > dcw
>
> You checkmate yourself, like putting a gun to your head and yelling
> "Stop or I'll shoot!"

Apparently you have run out of answers and are just throwing in anything
to fill space.

[donald willis]

You can't explain Belin's obsession, eh?

[donald willis]

Yes, thank you, he testified that he saw "about a foot of a rifle"
(v6p157)

[claviger]

You can't answer basic simple questions, eh?

What we do know, the window on the 6th floor was open enough
for LHO to fire shots at the motorcade. No shots from 7th floor,
all windows closed. No shots from 5th floor where 3 employees
watched the parade, heard loud shots from above, and noise of
ejected shells hit the floor.

[Anthony Marsh]

That only shows possibilities.
Aren't you glad we have the hard evidence on the tape for the 3 shots fired
from the TSBD. No need for silly witnesses.

SCIENCE

[donald willis]

And enough for a sniper to sit sideways on the sill? Enough for Fischer
to see his SLACKS??

And why would a sniper who does not have to reveal himself, at all, while
shooting, make such a spectacle of himself beforehand???

No shots from 7th floor,
> all windows closed. No shots from 5th floor where 3 employees
> watched the parade,

Initially, Jarman said he watched it from outside.

heard loud shots from above, and noise of
> ejected shells hit the floor.

Norman didn't mention the sounds until 8 days & one FBI interview later...

dcw

[Anthony Marsh]

Who? You mean the fake SS agent? Some cop was quick enough to run up the
grassy knoll before he could escape and the cop had drawn his gun on him.
Better explain himself before he gets shot.

Or do you mean Oswald? He was confronted very quickly and he had a weapon
in his hand, a full botttle of Coke. And the cop had his gun pointed at
his gut.

> No shots from 7th floor,

I am sure the acoustical evidence rules that out. The margin of error
is only about a foot.

> > all windows closed. No shots from 5th floor where 3 employees
> > watched the parade,
>
> Initially, Jarman said he watched it from outside.
>
> heard loud shots from above, and noise of
> > ejected shells hit the floor.
>
> Norman didn't mention the sounds until 8 days & one FBI interview later...
>

So what? Never rely on witnesses.
What if he said he saw a purple unicorn?

> dcw

[claviger]

Yes.

> Enough for Fischer
> to see his SLACKS??

Yes.

> And why would a sniper who does not have to reveal himself, at all,
> while shooting, make such a spectacle of himself beforehand???

Good question. This sniper knew there was only a slim chance he
could escape down 5 flights of stairs and out the backdoor without
being stopped by someone, and he was right. So he was obviously
aware this might be a suicide mission or prison for life. He did give
a hint of that high probability when 3 witnesses noticed him calmly
staring out the 6th floor window apparently fixated on the workers
at the Triple Underpass a long time before the motorcade arrived.

He should've stayed out of sight in the dark corner until the parade
turned onto Elm Street, or even Houston St, but sat looking out the
window toward the Triple Underpass long before the parade arrived.
No professional sniper would do that. He was a one-way sniper who
expected to get caught.

> > No shots from 7th floor, all windows closed. No shots from 5th
> > floor where 3 employees watched the parade,
> Initially, Jarman said he watched it from outside.

Two other employees confirmed Jarman was on the
5th floor with them:

Testimony of James Jarman, Jr. 23 November 1963
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/jarman.htm

Harold Norman Affidavit 4 December 1963
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/norman_1.htm

Bonnie Ray Williams Affidavit 22 November 1963
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338434/

> > heard loud shots from above, and noise of ejected shells
> > hit the floor.
> Norman didn't mention the sounds until 8 days & one FBI
> interview later...

Cite please.

[claviger]

Who Saw Oswald in the Sixth-Floor Window? : The JFK Assassination
http://22november1963.org.uk/who-saw-oswald-in-the-sixth-floor-window

[claviger]

On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 7:52:14 PM UTC-6, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 10:19:30 AM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
>
> Who? You mean the fake SS agent?

Dressed nothing like a SSA.

> Some cop was quick enough to run up the grassy knoll before he could
> escape and the cop had drawn his gun on him.

That DPD Officer did not "run up the grassy knoll". He ran from his
assigned duty at the corner of Houston and Elm, to the parking lot
using the Elm Street extension lane behind the Pergola.

> Better explain himself before he gets shot.

That person produced some kind of Federal ID.
He was not a SSA.

The Secret Service Agent on The Knoll
by Debra Conway, with contributions
from Michael Parks and Mark Colgan
http://www.jfklancer.com/knollagent/

> Or do you mean Oswald? He was confronted very quickly and he had a weapon
> in his hand, a full botttle of Coke. And the cop had his gun pointed at
> his gut.

That is a false statement. According to DPD Baker the suspect
had nothing in his hand at the time of the confrontation.

> > No shots from 7th floor,
> I am sure the acoustical evidence rules that out. The margin of error
> is only about a foot.

The "acoustical evidence" was a Rube Goldberg concoction, that turned out
to be an embarrassing fiasco to the scientific community. The good news,
real science proved the mistakes, flaws, and manipulations by the
perpetrators of this pseudoscience scam.

[donald willis]

(chuckle)

>
> > Enough for Fischer
> > to see his SLACKS??
>
> Yes.
>

(chuckle again)

> > And why would a sniper who does not have to reveal himself, at all,
> > while shooting, make such a spectacle of himself beforehand???
>
> Good question. This sniper knew there was only a slim chance he
> could escape down 5 flights of stairs and out the backdoor without
> being stopped by someone, and he was right. So he was obviously
> aware this might be a suicide mission or prison for life. He did give
> a hint of that high probability when 3 witnesses noticed him calmly
> staring out the 6th floor window apparently fixated on the workers
> at the Triple Underpass a long time before the motorcade arrived.
>

More likely he was advertising "slender white male" for Sawyer's
forthcoming, pre-fab suspect description. Otherwise, there'd be nothing
at all to go on for the APB.

> He should've stayed out of sight in the dark corner until the parade
> turned onto Elm Street, or even Houston St, but sat looking out the
> window toward the Triple Underpass long before the parade arrived.
> No professional sniper would do that. He was a one-way sniper who
> expected to get caught.
>

He was providing fodder for the suspect description.

> > > No shots from 7th floor, all windows closed. No shots from 5th
> > > floor where 3 employees watched the parade,
> > Initially, Jarman said he watched it from outside.
>
> Two other employees confirmed Jarman was on the
> 5th floor with them:
>
> Testimony of James Jarman, Jr. 23 November 1963
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/jarman.htm
>
> Harold Norman Affidavit 4 December 1963
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/norman_1.htm
>
> Bonnie Ray Williams Affidavit 22 November 1963
> https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338434/
>

So who you gonna believe--two other guys or Jarman himself? As we hear in
"Case Closed", witness evidence closer to the time of the incident is
better than witness evidence later.... And it's a helluva poor witness who
has to be debriefed before he can say where he was.... By Sunday, he has
been debriefed, and he gives a wholly different account of his whereabouts
between 12 & 12:30 11/22....

> > > heard loud shots from above, and noise of ejected shells
> > > hit the floor.
> > Norman didn't mention the sounds until 8 days & one FBI
> > interview later...
>
> Cite please.

FBI interview 11/26/63....

dcw

[Anthony Marsh]

On 12/30/2018 11:01 PM, claviger wrote:
> On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 7:52:14 PM UTC-6, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 10:19:30 AM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
>>
>> Who? You mean the fake SS agent?
>
> Dressed nothing like a SSA.
>

So YOU think Oswald was dressed like a SSA agent?

https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE5NTU2MzE1ODgxMjQ0MTcx/primary-photo.jpg

Because a couple of witnesses saw what they thought was a SS agent up in
the sniper's nest?

>> Some cop was quick enough to run up the grassy knoll before he could
>> escape and the cop had drawn his gun on him.
>
> That DPD Officer did not "run up the grassy knoll". He ran from his
> assigned duty at the corner of Houston and Elm, to the parking lot
> using the Elm Street extension lane behind the Pergola.
>
>> Better explain himself before he gets shot.
>
> That person produced some kind of Federal ID.

Yes, genuine SS ID. Smith said he was a Secret Service Agent, not a
Forestry agent.

> He was not a SSA.
>
> The Secret Service Agent on The Knoll
> by Debra Conway, with contributions
> from Michael Parks and Mark Colgan
> http://www.jfklancer.com/knollagent/
>
>> Or do you mean Oswald? He was confronted very quickly and he had a weapon
>> in his hand, a full botttle of Coke. And the cop had his gun pointed at
>> his gut.
>
> That is a false statement. According to DPD Baker the suspect
> had nothing in his hand at the time of the confrontation.

In his statement to the FBI agent he told the FBI agent that Oswald had
a Coke in his hand.

>
>>> No shots from 7th floor,
>> I am sure the acoustical evidence rules that out. The margin of error
>> is only about a foot.
>
> The "acoustical evidence" was a Rube Goldberg concoction, that turned out
> to be an embarrassing fiasco to the scientific community. The good news,
> real science proved the mistakes, flaws, and manipulations by the
> perpetrators of this pseudoscience scam.
>
>

And you proved that the Earth is FLAT. No, wait, that's your head.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 12/20/2018 10:24 AM, David Von Pein wrote:

> On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 9:33:06 PM UTC-5, claviger wrote:
>> Eye Witnesses Rifle on 6th floor TSBD:
>>
>> 1) H.L. Brennan
>>

>> 2) Mrs. Earl Cabell
>>
>> 3) M.O. Couch
>>

>> 4) J.N. Crawford
>>
>> 5) R.E. Edwards
>>

>> 6) A. L. Euins
>>
>> 7) R.B. Fischer
>>

>> 8) R.H. Jackson

>>
>> 9) A.L. Rowland
>>
>> 10) J.R. Worrell
>>
>>
>> Ear Witnesses:
>>
>> 1) J.E. Jarman Jr
>>
>> 2) H.H. Norman
>>
>> 3) B.R. Williams
>>
>>

>> Combination 13 Witnesses to Rifle on 6th Floor TSBD.
>
> I'm curious.....
>
> When did Fischer and Edwards ever say they saw the rifle in the window?
> They certainly never said that in their affidavits. And they didn't say it
> to the WC.
>

Now, now. Minions are not supposed to fight with each other. But is is
good to see someone else put him in his place so that I don't have to do
all the work around here.

[claviger]

On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 5:18:48 PM UTC-6, donald willis wrote:
> On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 12:36:23 PM UTC-8, claviger wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 9:19:30 AM UTC-6, donald willis wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 10:12:23 AM UTC-8, claviger wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, December 27, 2018 at 10:31:48 PM UTC-6, donald willis wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, December 27, 2018 at 7:45:10 AM UTC-8, claviger wrote:
> > > > > > How many open windows on the 7th floor?
> > > > > > How many witnesses on the 5th floor?
> > > > > You can't explain Belin's obsession, eh?
> > > > You can't answer basic simple questions, eh?
> > > > What we do know, the window on the 6th floor was open enough
> > > > for LHO to fire shots at the motorcade.
> > > And enough for a sniper to sit sideways on the sill?
> > Yes.
> (chuckle)

More like cluckle.

> > > Enough for Fischer
> > > to see his SLACKS??
> > Yes.
> (chuckle again)

Double cluckle.

> > > And why would a sniper who does not have to reveal himself, at all,
> > > while shooting, make such a spectacle of himself beforehand???
> > Good question. This sniper knew there was only a slim chance he
> > could escape down 5 flights of stairs and out the backdoor without
> > being stopped by someone, and he was right. So he was obviously
> > aware this might be a suicide mission or prison for life. He did give
> > a hint of that high probability when 3 witnesses noticed him calmly
> > staring out the 6th floor window apparently fixated on the workers
> > at the Triple Underpass a long time before the motorcade arrived.
> More likely he was advertising "slender white male" for Sawyer's
> forthcoming, pre-fab suspect description. Otherwise, there'd be nothing
> at all to go on for the APB.

Who he?

> > He should've stayed out of sight in the dark corner until the parade
> > turned onto Elm Street, or even Houston St, but sat looking out the
> > window toward the Triple Underpass long before the parade arrived.
> > No professional sniper would do that. He was a one-way sniper who
> > expected to get caught.
> He was providing fodder for the suspect description.

How so?

> > > > No shots from 7th floor, all windows closed. No shots from 5th
> > > > floor where 3 employees watched the parade,
> > > Initially, Jarman said he watched it from outside.
> > Two other employees confirmed Jarman was on the
> > 5th floor with them:
> >
> > Testimony of James Jarman, Jr. 23 November 1963
> > http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/jarman.htm
> >
> > Harold Norman Affidavit 4 December 1963
> > http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/norman_1.htm
> >
> > Bonnie Ray Williams Affidavit 22 November 1963
> > https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338434/
> So who you gonna believe--two other guys or Jarman himself?

Two other guys. Are you insinuating Jarman was the sniper?
How did he get access to the rifle belonging to LHO?

> As we hear in "Case Closed", witness evidence closer to the
> time of the incident is better than witness evidence later....

Yes, finally you make sense.

> And it's a helluva poor witness who has to be debriefed before
> he can say where he was....

Some witnesses are nervous and confusing in the way they explain
things to detectives, like bus driver Cecil McWatters, even though
innocent of any wrongdoing.

> By Sunday, he has been debriefed, and he gives a wholly
> different account of his whereabouts between 12 & 12:30 11/22....

With two witnesses who confirm where he was when the motorcade
passed by the TSBD where loud shots were fired.

> > > > heard loud shots from above, and noise of ejected shells
> > > > hit the floor.
> > > Norman didn't mention the sounds until 8 days & one FBI
> > > interview later...
> > Cite please.
> FBI interview 11/26/63....
> dcw

So what? You think Norman can't remember where he was when
shots were fired? Everybody remembers where they were when
it was announced the President had been shot dead.

[claviger]

What place? You're behind the curve as usual. This issue has already
been clarified. Edwards and Fischer are two important corroborating
witnesses to a person in the 6th floor window. Both descriptions are a
match for LHO.

[donald willis]

But not enough of a match to warrant lineup IDs....

[donald willis]

Everybody except James Jarman. The next day he thought he was out front
with the parade when the President was shot. Supposedly, he saw it, just
didn't think it was important enough to mention the next day! Swell
witnesses you got....

dcw

[claviger]

Two witnesses saw him on the 5th floor at the time shots were fired
at the Motorcade as it passed by the TSBD. They failed to mention
Jarman was firing a rifle at the Limousine too. So is your theory LHO
fired his rifle on the 6th floor at the same time Jarman fired his rifle
on the 5th floor?

Is the other possibility LHO was not on the 6th floor so Jarman went
up there, and found the rifle then noticed the clip had a few bullets
so took the opportunity to fire shots at the passing Motorcade?

Where are you going with this Jarman obsession?

[Anthony Marsh]

There are a few kooks who think the assassins were on the fifth floor.
But the acoustical evidence rules that out.

>

[donald willis]

You clipped the beginning of this stretch of the thread. You said
everyone knew where they were when JFK was shot. I simply said, Jarman
didn't seem to know where he was.... YOU explain his 11/23 affidavit!

dcw

[donald willis]

ONE assassin (in the depository at least). Either Oswald or Arce. Fifth
floor.

yours, kookie (I'll lend you my comb)