On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 11:11:51 AM UTC-8, donald willis wrote:
> > What in the world makes you think that civilians who find evidence like
> > empty brass (fired cartridge cases) are required to scratch their initials
> > into them? The chain of custody begins when evidence is taken into
> > CUSTODY. By OFFICIALS of the law, don't you know.
>
> Then, the whole idea of "chain" is kind of useless. John Q. Public can
> present any evidence/shells he wants as those found at a crime scene, and
> the cops just take it on faith. "Chain of faith" would be a better
> phrase. But the DPD didn't really believe in chains of custody anyway.
> Det. Leavelle testified that they didn't "sign" empty cartridges, though
> some of their cops did (e.g., Dhority). Some just signed the bag the
> evidence was collected in. Very professional!
>
> About 20 years later, Sgt. Hill in fact told Dale Myers that he and Poe
> picked up the "Benavides" shells. '63 or '83, it was all meaningless
> blather, it seems.
Perhaps. Chain of evidence procedures cures SOME problems, but not
others. If Sgt. Hill had been in the habit of initially cases, and gone on
and on about "automatic pistol cases" then been found to have initialed
revolver cases, it would have made things easier. As in other cases where
there are claims of mixing up of evidence in police custody. As it was
Hill was a blowhard who went on the radio after being told the cartridge
cases had been found, and ASSUMED they were auto, else why were they lying
around to be found? Wrong. The cylinder of S&W revolvers swings out
(Oswald's did) and he simply shucked them out and tossed them.
> > The chain of custody for the two cartridge cases found by the two Davis
> > sisters is pretty good. Virginia Davis gave her brass to C. Dhority, who
> > passed it to the FBI. It has three sets of FBI initials on it and became
> > FBI Q75 and CE594.
>
> Never heard the term "brass" connected with empty bullet casing,
> cartridges, shells, hulls, just these latter terms....
Expended or empty brass (or simply brass) is the term of art of the
military and handloaders. Cartridge case is used by police and forensics
experts. If you see "bullet casing," "shell casing," or anything with
"hull" you know you're hearing it from some reporter who's never fired a
small arm, let alone had to discuss one in technical terms. They just make
up stuff. Like, you know, the left side of a boat? And the real big sail
with the metal thingy it's tied down to?
> > The .38 Special case found only a few feet away
>
> A "few feet away" from WHAT?
From the other case near it! One by the window, one at the edge of the
sidewalk.
>It was supposed to have been found under a
> window on Patton St., which must have been some YARDS away from where
> Tippit was shot, and a few yards away from where Barbara D. said she saw
> him unload....
40 yards from shooting to SW corner. Into the yard or under window a few
more.
>
> by Barbara Davis was given
> > by her to detective G. Doughty, who scratched GD into it. It also has the
> > same set of three FBI investigators on it. It was fired by Oswald's pistol
> > to the exclusion of all other weapons, and it only takes one empty brass
> > to do THAT job, identification-wise. Oswald should have taken the brass
> > with him, since each of the four brass cases found within 100 yards of
> > Tippit identify Oswald's weapon like a fingerprint.
>
> And, boy, wasn't THAT handy! And WHEN and WHERE was the gun fired? Not
> necessarily around 1:15pm on 10th St.
Not necessarily anytime. Could have been replicated by aliens and never
fired at all. Could have been fired only into a water tank at Lubyanka
prison, and all KGB in area issued a supply of Oswaldovich expended brass.
Or, excuse me, Soviet Socialist Patsy Hulls.
> In fact, far better
> > than the four bullets in Tippit did.
> >
> > The single Barbara Davis empty "hangs" Oswald, with good confirmation from
> > the Virginia Davis find. You can forget the "Poe" cases and you can even
> > forget half the seven witnesses who ID'd Oswald as the man who shot Tippit
> > and scattered brass. That B. Davis case found at 10th and Patton is
> > fantastic physical evidence. It came from Oswald's pistol, and one of the
> > four bullets in Tippit is not only the same type of .38 special ammo (from
> > Winchester Western) as the B. Davis case, but came from the barrel of an
> > odd re-chambered .38 S&W conversion to .38 Spl pistol, just like Oswald's
> > "Victory" snub-nosed pistol.
> >
> > Add to this that Tippit is killed 10-15 minutes walk from where Oswald
> > left on foot, noted by a witness (E. Roberts)
>
> Who neglected to tell the first cops to her house that Oswald was there
> circa 1pm. Slipped her mind....
They asked for him by name, according to her December deposition. She
didn't know his name. All she knew was O.H.Lee, and they had no photo. So,
no connection. She saw his picture and name on TV after his capture, and
called them back.
>
>
> at his apartment 10-15
> > minutes before. And far less than that amount of walk from the theater
> > where Oswald was apprehended 40 minutes later, going roughly in the same
> > direction as the route from this Oak Cliff apartment to Tippit's murder.
> > Tippit is killed between where Oswald lived and where he was arrested.
> > Oswald's jacket is found near the murder site.
>
> In a direction opposite to that which witness Warren Reynolds told cops at
> the scene that he last saw the gunman heading! (I have to add that the
> man Reynolds saw was probably the man with Tippit's gun.)
Probably.
> He had opportunity.
> >
> > Take the little presidential murder thing at Oswald's place of work and
> > the all-points-bulletin out on him by by name
>
> By name? Care to retract that?
>
> and appearance.
>
> Which description came from a police inspector who didn't even know that
> the suspect had been in the depository!
>
> dcw
The description came from Brennan, of course. Who say him at the
depository window.
Yes, you are right about the APB and name, though he was wanted by name at
one point. Fitz sent somebody to pick up "Oswald" at his Irvine address
(the Paines) and was told "There he sits." (Having been captured in the
theater and ID'd with his own ID-- after he told them he wasn't "Hidell.")
I don't know how the police got to the Beckley address with the name of
Oswald, but again, not with an APB, just with his name as somebody missing
from the TSBD. But again, they had "Oswald" and not "Lee."