Eddie Piper

[claviger]

SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS

Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 23rd day of November
A.D. 1963 personally appeared Eddie Piper. Address 3402 Munger Avenue,
Dallas. Age 55, Phone No. TA 1 2190 Wks: Janitor - Texas School Bk Dep.

Deposes and Says:

I have been employed as janitor for the Texas School book Depository for a
little over 4 years. I do the packing of the books as well as lock up at
night. I came to work yesterday about 10:00 AM and I worked until 2:00 PM.
There has been a man that I know only as "Lee" who has been working there
about 5 weeks. He fills the orders and I pack the orders. Yesterday at
about 12:00 Noon, this fello Lee says to me, "I'm going up to eat" and I
went on to my lunch. I went to the front window on the first floor and ate
my lunch and waited to see the President's parade go by. I saw the
President pass and heard some shots and looked at the clock there and saw
it was 12:55PM. The shots seemed to me like they came from up inside the
building. It was about 1:00 PM when the police made us vacate the building
and as we were being checked out, I noticed that "Lee" wasn't with us and
I mentioned to some of the employees there checking out that Lee wasn't
there and somebody said, he must have already gone out. This man Lee has
never talked much to anyone and hardly said anything to me. He kept pretty
much to himself and hardly even answer when I would say "Goodmorning".

/s/Eddie Piper

Subscribed and sworn to before me on this th 23rd day of November A.D. 1963


LHO did not bring a lunch that day. This was an excuse to go up to the
6th floor sniper's nest. Two employees in the lunchroom did not see him
in there during the lunch hour.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 4/20/2018 8:24 PM, claviger wrote:
>
> SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
> COUNTY OF DALLAS
>
> Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 23rd day of November
> A.D. 1963 personally appeared Eddie Piper. Address 3402 Munger Avenue,
> Dallas. Age 55, Phone No. TA 1 2190 Wks: Janitor - Texas School Bk Dep.
>
> Deposes and Says:
>
> I have been employed as janitor for the Texas School book Depository for a
> little over 4 years. I do the packing of the books as well as lock up at
> night. I came to work yesterday about 10:00 AM and I worked until 2:00 PM.
> There has been a man that I know only as "Lee" who has been working there
> about 5 weeks. He fills the orders and I pack the orders. Yesterday at
> about 12:00 Noon, this fello Lee says to me, "I'm going up to eat" and I
> went on to my lunch. I went to the front window on the first floor and ate
> my lunch and waited to see the President's parade go by. I saw the
> President pass and heard some shots and looked at the clock there and saw
> it was 12:55PM. The shots seemed to me like they came from up inside the

12:55? Great witness you have there. Maybe a 4th grade education like
some of the goobers here?

> building. It was about 1:00 PM when the police made us vacate the building
> and as we were being checked out, I noticed that "Lee" wasn't with us and
> I mentioned to some of the employees there checking out that Lee wasn't
> there and somebody said, he must have already gone out. This man Lee has
> never talked much to anyone and hardly said anything to me. He kept pretty
> much to himself and hardly even answer when I would say "Goodmorning".
>
> /s/Eddie Piper
>
> Subscribed and sworn to before me on this th 23rd day of November A.D. 1963
>
>
> LHO did not bring a lunch that day. This was an excuse to go up to the
> 6th floor sniper's nest. Two employees in the lunchroom did not see him
> in there during the lunch hour.
>

Because workers like Oswald are not allowed to eat in the lunchroom,
only in the Domino room.

>

[mainframetech]

You have no idea where he went.

Chris

[bpete1969]

You make that claim based on what?

[claviger]

I have a strong suspicion he went up to the 6th floor and put together a
rifle he snuck into the building inside a large homemade paper bag he
custom made to fit the longest parts of that disassembled weapon. When he
finished reassembling this rifle he put in a clip with 4 bullets and fired
at the Presidential Limousine as it passed under his sniper's nest. He
then hid the rifle between boxes on his way out the door. Every other
member of the work crew was accounted for when shots were fired from the
6th floor window.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

It's false because Wes Frazier said he had eaten his lunch in the second
floor lunch room. Frazier was, like Oswald, an order filler.

From his WC testimony:
Mr. BALL - When you get off your job, did you usually go to the lunch room
on the second floor to eat your lunch?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; most of the time I don't. Most of the time you see
several of us guys sitting down at our own table and we just sit there. I
say we usually go up there to get something to drink and I say I have ate
up there several times but most of the times I eat with the guys I work
with.

Frazier: "I say I have ate up there several times..."

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/frazierb1.htm

[Anthony Marsh]

Is this your first time on the big bad Internet? We have discussed this
thousands of times. It's called TESTIMONY. Obviously you've never read
any WC testimony and yet you PRETEND to be a WC defender.


“Domino Room” was a recreation room on the first floor where the
employees would take their breaks. The lunchroom was on the second
floor, but many of the warehouse employees used the first floor “Domino
Room” to eat lunch and play dominoes. TSBD witness testimony was
unanimous: Oswald ALWAYS ate his lunch in the Domino room-which was on
the same floor as the entrance to the TSBD.

Testimony Of Jack Edwin Dougherty
The testimony of Jack Edwin Dougherty was taken at 10:50 a.m., on April
8, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building,
Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant
counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. BALL - Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give
before the Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
but the truth, so help you God
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I do.
Mr. BALL - Will you state your name and address for the record?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Jack Edwin Dougherty.
Mr. BALL - And your address?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - 1827 South Marsalis.
Mr. BALL - How old are you?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Forty.
Mr. BALL - Where were you born?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Here in Dallas.
Mr. BALL - Where did you go to school?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Sunset High School.
Mr. BALL - You went through Sunset High School?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What year did you get out of high school? About?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Oh, 1937.
Mr. BALL - 1937?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - What kind of work did you do after that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, of course, a year or so, you might say--just work
in grocery stores until I was 19 and volunteered for the Armed Services
in October--October 24, 1942.
Mr. BALL - How long were you in the service?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - 2 years, 1 month, 17 days, to be exact.
Mr. BALL - And you were discharged from the Service, then, after the
War, was it?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What did you do during the service---during your period in
the service?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, you might say just about a little bit of
everything, from guard duty to---
Mr. BALL - Did you have any active service?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, no--I volunteered for active service, but they
said you couldn't very well volunteer--you have to be drafted, so they
said, they told me at the time.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever leave the United States during the War?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Oh, yes.
Mr. BALL - Where did you go?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I was stationed, oh, for about a year up in
Indiana up there---Seymour, Ind.
Mr. BALL - Then where did you go from there in the service?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I stayed there until I got discharged.
Mr. BALL - You didn't ever go outside the country to Europe?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Oh, no.
Mr. BALL - Or to the South Seas?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No.
Mr. BALL - You stayed in this country all the time?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Now, did you ever have any difficulty with your speech?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No.
Mr. BALL - You never had any?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever have any difficulty in the Army with any medical
treatment or anything of that sort?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No.
Mr. BALL - None at all?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No.
Mr. BALL - What did you do after you got out of the Army?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, jobs were pretty scarce about the time I got out
of the service, so I just went from place to place and applied and put
my application in, so I started over here at the Texas School Book
Depository and put my application in there and I got it through the
Suburban Employment Agency, and I been working there ever since.
Mr. BALL - And that was when--in 1940, was it, you started to work at
the Texas School Book Depository?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - September 17, 1940.
Mr. BALL - 1940 what?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Let's see, I have been with them 11 years--that would be---
Mr. BALL - That would be 1952, wouldn't it?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes--that's 1952.
Mr. BALL - 1952?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes; that's right, to be exact.
Mr. BALL - What did you do between the time you got out of the service
and 1952?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't do anything to be frank with you.
Mr. BALL - You didn't?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No.
Mr. BALL - You didn't work?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Oh, no.
Mr. BALL - You stayed at home?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - Did you live with your father and mother?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Have you ever been married?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No.
Mr. BALL - And you still live with your father and mother?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Now, what kind of work have you been doing at the Texas
School Book Depository in the last few years?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Oh---shipping clerk.
Mr. BALL - And what kind of work is that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, that's when they bring the orders from on the
second floor, and in other words, you fill them from the---they are
orders, I guess you would call them orders, to fill from there, and
outside of doing little odd jobs besides that---that's it.
Mr. BALL - Did you know a fellow named Lee Harvey Oswald that worked at
the Texas School Book Depository?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I'll be frank with you, Mr. Ball, I don't believe
nobody knew him too well. You might say he wouldn't have too much to say
to anybody. He just stayed all to hisself, and I'll be frank with you, I
just flat didn't know him.
Mr. BALL - Now, on November 22, 1963, that's the day the President was shot?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What time did you go to work?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I got there---it was after 7 o'clock in the morning.
Mr. BALL - Do you usually get there in the morning at 7 o'clock?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Why do you get there at 7 instead of 8, when the rest of the
men get there?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, you might say, I have a little---extra chores to do.
Mr. BALL - You do that--you get there at 7 all the time, don't you?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, I've been doing it for 11 years.
Mr. BALL - That's what Mr. Truly told me, that you get there real early.
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - And you did get there about 7 that morning?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Let's see, Mr. Dougherty, you said that you have some extra
chores--what are those extra chores?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I have to see to it that the water system is pumped up.
In other words, the air pressure is up to where---up to 40 pounds so
that if it isn't pumped up, the alarm goes off, and the ADT runs that
alarm system, and we immediately call Mr. Truly and of course they call me.
Mr. BALL - What is the ADT?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That's that---I don't know too much about it---it has
something to do with the alarm system they have got down there.
Mr. BALL - You mean the pressure, do you?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes
Mr. BALL - Is that a fire-alarm system?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes--you could call it that.
Mr. BALL - Now, what else do you do there early in the morning?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, let's see, I have to check and see that there is
no leaks ,in the building, that the pipes are not leaking somewhere.
Mr. BALL - Anything else you do?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No; I believe that just about covers it.
Mr. BALL - What time do you usually go to lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, usually about 12 o'clock or 12 noon.
Mr. BALL - Do you carry your lunch most of the time from home?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - And where do you usually eat your lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, they have got what they call a domino room in
there and I usually eat it in there.
Mr. BALL - You usually eat your lunch in the domino room?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - And how long do you take for lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, from 12 to 12:45.
Mr. BALL - Forty-five minutes?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Do you always take a full hour?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes; I usually do.
Mr. BALL - Now, do you remember the day of November 22, 1963; you do,
don't you?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - The day that the President was shot?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Do you remember what time you went to work that day?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes let's see--it was 12:30.
Mr. BALL - What time did you go to work .that morning?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, that particular morning---let's see, we didn't go
back.
Mr. BALL - No; I mean, what time did you go to work the first thing in
the morning?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - It was 8 o'clock when we were actually started to work.
Mr. BALL - What time did you get to the building?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - At a quarter to 7.
Mr. BALL - At a quarter to 7?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - You told the FBI officers that you got there about 7 o'clock.
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I mean, inside the building.
Mr. BALL - Inside the building?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes--when I got inside the building it was 7 o'clock.
Mr. BALL - You parked your car?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I don't have a car---I have to ride ,the bus.
Mr. BALL - Did you see Oswald come to work that morning?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes---when he first come into the door.
Mr. BALL - When he came in the door?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Did you see him come in the door?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes; I saw him when he first come in the door--yes.
Mr. BALL - Did he have anything in his hands or arms?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, not that I could see of.
Mr. BALL - About what time of day was that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That was 8 o'clock.
Mr. BALL - That was about 8 o'clock?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What door did he come in?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, he came in the back door.
Mr. BALL - Where were you then?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I was---sitting on top of the wrapping table.
Mr. BALL - Now, do you remember that you gave a statement to the Federal
Bureau of Investigation and to a man by the name of Ellington, or a Mr.
Anderton, the day after---the 23d of November?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes---I talked to so many of them--it is kind of hard to
remember.
Mr. BALL - And there is a statement that they took when they talked to
you and in it you said, "I recall vaguely, having seen Lee Oswald when
he came to work at about 8 a.m. today."
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I did---that morning.
Mr. BALL - That seems to be dated the 22d day of November 1963.
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That's right.
Mr. BALL - The full statement is, "I am employed by the Texas School
Book Depository, 411 Elm Street, Dallas, as an order filler, and reside
at 1827 South Marsalis Street, Dallas, Tex." Did you tell them that?

Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - "I started to work today, 11-22-63, at about 7 a.m. o'clock".
Did you tell them that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - The statement says, "I recall vaguely having seen Lee Oswald,
when he came to work at about 8 a.m. today."
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That's right.
Mr. BALL - Now, is that a very definite impression that you saw him that
morning when he came to work?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, oh--it's like this--I'll try to explain it to you
this way--- you see, I was sitting on the wrapping table and when he
came in the door, I just caught him out of the corner of my eye---that's
the reason why I said it that way.
Mr. BALL - Did he come in with anybody?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No.
Mr. BALL - He was alone?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes; he was alone.
Mr. BALL - Do you recall him having anything in his hand?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't see anything, if he did.
Mr. BALL - Did you pay enough attention to him, you think, that you
would remember whether he did or didn't?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I believe I can---yes, sir---I'll put it this way;
I didn't see anything in his hands at the time.
Mr. BALL - In other words, your memory is definite on that is it?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - In other words, you would say positively he had nothing in
his hands?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I would say that---yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Or, are you guessing?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I don't think so.
Mr. BALL - You saw him come in the door?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - The back door on the first floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - It was in the back door.
Mr. BALL - Now, that back door is the door that opens onto what? That
back door would be the first floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - And it opens where?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - On the back deck--on the back dock side over there.
Mr. BALL - That would be what direction from the first floor-what wall
of the first floor---north?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, let's see, to be frank with you---I don't know
which one it would be.
Mr. BALL - Is there only one back door?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes; there is only one back door.
Mr. BALL - Did you see him again that morning?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes; just one more time.
Mr. BALL - Where was that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That was on the sixth floor.
Mr. BALL - On the sixth floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - About what time of day?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - It was about 11 o'clock-that was the last time I saw him.
Mr. BALL - What was he doing up there?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, as far as I could tell, he was getting some
stock---as far as I could tell.
Mr. BALL - What were you doing there?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I was getting some stock also.
Mr. BALL - And were there some other workmen up there at the time?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Not that I know of.
Mr. BALL - Well, do you remember Shelley, Dan Arce, Bonnie Williams,
Bill Lovelady, and Charlie Givens who were working up there that
morning---laying floor on the sixth floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Oh, yes; they were laying floor---yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - And were they there at the time you were there?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Oh, yes, sir; they were there---yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Is that the same time you saw Oswald?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir; just about that time.
Mr. BALL - And how long were you on the sixth floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, just long enough to get some stock.
Mr. BALL - Where did you go then?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I went to the fifth floor.
Mr. BALL - What did you do then?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I went to the fifth floor to get some stock also
on the fifth floor.
Mr. BALL - Then what did you do?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Then, just about that time---I thought I heard---
Mr. BALL - Wait a minute---did you go to lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I went back downstairs to eat lunch---yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What time?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Oh, it was 12 o'clock.
Mr. BALL - When you talked to the FBI men, I've got a statement here
dated the 19th of December 1963, a statement from Special Agent William
O. Johnson, and he reports that you told him that you saw Lee Harvey
Oswald at approximately 8 a.m. when he, Oswald, arrived.

Mr. DOUGHERTY - That's right.
Mr. BALL - That you saw Oswald again at approximately 11 a.m. on the
sixth floor?.
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That's right.
Mr. BALL - But you didn't see him again after that, is that your testimony?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Is that the truth?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That's right.
Mr. BALL - And it also says, this report from Mr. Johnson, states that
you told him that just prior to 12 noon you and five other men were
working on the sixth floor. Were you?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes; we were working on the sixth floor.
Mr. BALL - What were you doing?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I was getting some stock off of the sixth floor.
Mr. BALL - You weren't helping the men lay floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - Did you go down to lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - To what floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - The first floor.
Mr. BALL - How did you get down there?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well---used the elevator.
Mr. BALL - Did you go down alone or with someone?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I went down alone.
Mr. BALL - Where did you eat your lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - In the domino room.
Mr. BALL - Now, what time did you go back to work?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Oh, at 12:30.
Mr. BALL - Did you know that the President was going to pass in a
motorcade that noon?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, they said something about it.
Mr. BALL - Did you intend to go out and watch him?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I would have loved to have went out and watched
him but the steps were so crowded---there was no way in the world I
could get out there.
Mr. BALL - Did you take a look at it---did you go out and take a look at
it, or didn't you?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well---no, sir.
Mr. BALL - Now, you were on the first floor in the domino room when you
finished your lunch, didn't you?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - And did you stay there any length of time after you finished
your lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No, sir---just a short length of time.
Mr. BALL - Then what did you do?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, then, I went back to work.
Mr. BALL - And where did you go to work?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Let me see---oh, up to the sixth floor.
Mr. BALL - Did you go to the sixth floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - About what time?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - At about 12:40---it was about 12:40.
Mr. BALL - Had you heard any shots before that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes---I heard one---it sounded like a backfire.
Mr. BALL - Where were you when you heard that shot?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I was on the fifth floor.
Mr. BALL - You were on the fifth floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Now, When you left your lunch, did you go to the fifth floor
or the sixth floor to go back to work?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I went on the fifth floor when I was getting ready to go
down to eat lunch.
Mr. BALL - Yes; and then what happened?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, at that time--I was about 10 feet away---
Mr. BALL - Wait a minute---did you hear the shots before or after you
had your lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Before---before I ate my lunch.
Mr. BALL - You heard shots before you ate your lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Let's see---yes, I believe I did.
Mr. BALL - Well, now, you remember having your lunch, do you?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Do you remember after you had your lunch, you went back to
work that day?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - When you talked on the day this accident happened, on the 22d
of November 1963, in a statement made to the Federal Bureau of
Investigation and, Mr. Dougherty, you told them you went down to the
first floor to eat your lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That's right.
Mr. BALL - And that you went back to work?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - And you told him on the 19th day of December, Mr. Johnson,
that you went back to work on the sixth floor, and as soon as you
arrived on the sixth floor, you went down to the fifth floor to get some
stock?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir; that's right.
Mr. BALL - And while you were on the fifth floor, you heard a loud noise?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That's right---it sounded like a car backfiring.
Mr. BALL - And did you hear more than one loud explosion or noise?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No; that was the only one I heard.
Mr. BALL - You only heard one?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - And where did it sound like it came from?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - It sounded like it came from overhead somewhere.
Mr. BALL - From overhead?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - How did you get to the fifth floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Elevator.
Mr. BALL - You were on the fifth floor when you heard this, were you?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Which elevator did you take?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, you see, there's one on this side and one on this
side the one on this side is the one I took.
Mr. BALL - Well, now, "The one on this side and the one on this side,"
doesn't mean much when it's written down.
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I know it.
Mr. BALL - Can you tell me whether it was the east side or the west side
elevator?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - East side.
Mr. BALL - Is it the one that you punch a button on?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Or the one that you use a control on?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - It's the one you push a button on.
Mr. BALL - The one you push a button on?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - I believe that is the west side, isn't it?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, I believe it is.
Mr. BALL - Now, that's the one you took up?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Where did you take that---to what floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I took it up to the sixth floor.
Mr. BALL - Then what did you do?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, when I got through getting stock off of the sixth
floor, I came back down to the fifth floor.
Mr. BALL - What did you do on the fifth floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I got some stock.
Mr. BALL - Then what happened then?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, then immediately I heard a loud noise---it sounded
like a car backfiring, and I came back down to the first floor, and I
asked Eddie Piper, I said, "Piper, what was that?" I says, "Has the
President been shot?'. He said, "Yes."
Mr. BALL - You didn't say--did you say, 'Has the President been
shot?"---you told the FBI agent that you went down to the first floor
and you saw a man named Eddie Piper and asked him if he heard a loud noise.

Mr. DOUGHERTY - I asked him that too.
Mr. BALL - And Piper said he had heard three loud noises and told you
that somebody had Just shot the President; is that right?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That's right.
Mr. BALL - Who mentioned the fact that the President had been shot
first--- you or Eddie Piper?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Eddie Piper.
Mr. BALL - Did you say anything to Piper about the President being shot?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - When you talked to Eddie Piper, did you know that the
President had been shot?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No, sir; I didn't know that at the time.
Mr. BALL - When is the first time you heard that the President had been
shot?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - When Eddie told me that.
Mr. BALL - Eddie told you that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - You told Mr. Johnson of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
that when you were on the fifth floor, you heard a loud noise and it
appeared to have come from within the building, but you couldn't tell
where you told him that on the 19th; did you tell him that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - On the day that this happened, on the 22d of November, you
told the FBI agents Ellington and Anderson that you heard "a loud
explosion which sounded like a rifle shot coming from the next floor
above me."
Now, did you tell them that it sounded like a rifle shot, coming from
the next floor above you, or didn't you?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well; I believe I told them it sounded like a car
backfiring.
Mr. BALL - Well, did you tell them it sounded like it was from the floor
above you, or didn't you tell them that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No.
Mr. BALL - You did not tell them that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No.
Mr. BALL - Did it sound like it came from the floor above you?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, at the time it did---yes.
Mr. BALL - Tell me this---when you heard that explosion or whatever it
was--- that loud noise, where were you on the fifth floor-tell me
exactly where you were?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I was about 10 feet from the west elevator---the
west side of the elevator.
Mr. BALL - That's the elevator that uses the push button; is that right?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - And what were you doing?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I was getting some stock.
Mr. BALL - And what did you do then?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I came on back downstairs.
Mr. BALL - How did you come downstairs?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I used that push button elevator on the west side.
Mr. BALL - Did you hear Mr. Truly yell anything up the elevator shaft?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I didn't hear anybody yell.
Mr. BALL - Or, did you see Mr. Truly?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, when the FBI men---I imagine it was who it
was---he showed me his credentials, but he asked me who the manager was,
and I told him, "Mr. Truly." He told me to go find him. Well, I didn't
know where he was so I started from the first floor and Just started
looking for him, and .by the time I got to the sixth floor, they had
found a gum and shells.
Mr. BALL - When you went up to the sixth floor, it was after they found
the shotgun and shells?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir; and I found out later he was on the fourth
floor, which I didn't find.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever see a gun around there?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No, sir; I sure didn't.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever see anybody with a gun in the place?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - Did you see any strangers in the building that day?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did.
Mr. BALL - Who said that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw
him carrying a fairly good-sized package.
Mr. BALL - When did Shelley tell you that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, it was--the day after it happened.
Mr. BALL - Are you sure you were on the fifth floor when you heard the
shots?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, I'm positive.
Mr. BALL - Did you see any other employee on the fifth floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No, sir; I didn't see nobody---there wasn't nobody on
the fifth floor at all---it was just myself.
Mr. BALL - You told me that just before you heard the shots, you had
been on the sixth floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - And then you went down to the fifth floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That's right.
Mr. BALL - Did you see anybody on the sixth floor when you were there,
before you went to the fifth floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Oh, yes; I did.
Mr. BALL - Who?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, there was Bill Shelley, Billy Lovelady---
Mr. BALL - That was in the morning, wasn't it?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - That wasn't after lunch, was it?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - After lunch, did you ever see them on the sixth floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No, sir; I didn't.
Mr. BALL - Now, did you hear this shot either before or after lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - It was before lunch it was before lunch.
Mr. BALL - You think it was before lunch you heard the shot?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I believe it was--yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - And you were alone, were you?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - That's all I have to ask you, and this will be written up and
if you would like to come down and read it and sign it, you can, or you
can waive your signature.
What do you want to do?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, whatever you want to do---it doesn't make any
difference.
Mr. BALL - Would you like to come down and read it over and sign it?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, if you've got time I'll sign it now.
Mr. BALL - Well, we have to write it up---this has to be written up and
it will be so that you can read it. This young lady will notify you and
you can come down and read it over and sign it. Will you do that?

Mr. DOUGHERTY - All right.
Mr. BALL - And we will mark these statements as Dougherty Exhibits Nos.
A, B, and C, and attach them to your deposition. Thank you very much,
and goodby.
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That's quite all right---thank you.

(Instruments referred to marked by the reporter as Dougherty Exhibits
Nos. A, B, and C, for identification.)


The first floor lunch room was used by the minority employees: blacks,
Mexican-Americans, ...

[bpete1969]

All that to prove that Dougherty ate lunch in the domino room.

That still doesn't back up your claim.

Stella Mae Jacob stated that she had seen Oswald in the lunchroom on
several occasions. Frazier stated that he (Frazier) ate there several
times,

Is this your first time trying to substantiate a claim? We know not.

After you back up the claim you just failed to back up, you can back up
your claim that I claim to be a WC defender.

You really suck at this Marsh.

[mainframetech]

That might have been difficult since there were 2 men seen there with a
gun. I don't think they were there to play badminton. They were there to
take a shot at the motorcade. I doubt they would allow anyone, LHO
included, to enter the area and sit by the window they had staked out for
themselves.

Chris

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Here, again is your claim: "Because workers like Oswald are not allowed to
eat in the lunchroom,only in the Domino room.

You were asked for evidence of this.

Nothing in Dougherty's testimony that you provided mentions anything about
who was allowed to eat in the lunch room.

Frazier, also a "worker" like Oswald, said he ate in the lunch room. Even
Dougherty said he "usually" ate in the domino room. He didn't say he
always ate there or he was only allowed to eat there.

You have presented no evidence that, as you claimed, Oswald was not
allowed to eat in the lunch room. In fact, the evidence above from
Dougherty undermines you claim.

By the way, Oswald was white.

[Anthony Marsh]

I did not say 100%
Dougherty did not say 100%.

> Stella Mae Jacob stated that she had seen Oswald in the lunchroom on
> several occasions. Frazier stated that he (Frazier) ate there several
> times,
>

Define several. Twice out of 100? Baker saw Oswald in the Lunch room.
Drinking a Coke that he just bought. Not sitting down to eat lunch.
Do you understand the difference between eat and drink?

> Is this your first time trying to substantiate a claim? We know not.
>
> After you back up the claim you just failed to back up, you can back up
> your claim that I claim to be a WC defender.
>

Yes, you are a WC defender.

[claviger]

Good research. What I suspect is blue collar workers mostly ate
downstairs in the Domino Room since they worked for the TSBD. Female
employees for the various companies ate lunch on the second floor, because
it was a nicer area and their offices were on Second, Third, and Fourth
floors. I would also guess it was an unspoken rule to not invade the
ladies area. Most probably the blue collar guys would prefer to be away
from the ladies anyway so they can speak freely and not have to watch
their language so much.

[Caeruleo]

On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 7:29:23 PM UTC-5, mainframetech wrote:
>

> You have no idea where he went.

Neither do you.

Obviously.

[Anthony Marsh]

One of the few whites who mixed with the blacks.

>
>
>

[bpete1969]

I shouldn't have to ask, because it's the number one response when you
fail to back up a claim but I'll go ahead anyway....where's your proof?

You're just another Raff* Sink. You make these declaratory statements
without any proof at all. As if your misguided opinion is fact.

You really do suck at this Marsh. You've become a cliche.

[mainframetech]

It would be useful if you kept that in mind when you try to say
something. The fact matters.

Chris

[mainframetech]

An obvious attempt to get Oswald away from the 2nd floor lunchroom.
Rather than accept evidence, a try at changing it.

Chris

[Steve M. Galbraith]

On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 9:24:34 PM UTC-4, claviger wrote:

Yes, that was probably the informal rule. The manual workers would eat in
the domino room where they could take a nap, play dominoes and just hang
out in an informal setting. And the white collar/office workers would eat
in the lunch room.

But it wasn't required. And Dallas/Texas did not have Jim Crow segregation
in 1963.

Marsh would have been on solid ground if he just said the evidence is
Oswald only ate in the domino room but that it wasn't required/mandated.
But, as usual, he has to overplay his hand and then refuse to admit error.

[Anthony Marsh]

I think I said that a long time ago. Do you understand racism? Sometimes
it is enshrined in law, but often it is an unspoken rule.

BTW, I don't remember if the TSBD had a written rule against playing
Dominoes in the Lunch Room, but I think most blue-collar workers knew that
was frowned on.

[Anthony Marsh]

Baker SAW Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom!

> Chris
>

[Anthony Marsh]

>>>> ???Domino Room??? was a recreation room on the first floor where the

>>>> employees would take their breaks. The lunchroom was on the second

>>>> floor, but many of the warehouse employees used the first floor ???Domino
>>>> Room??? to eat lunch and play dominoes. TSBD witness testimony was

I already uploaded my proof. Pay attention.

[Caeruleo]

I did keep it in mind. You're the one who didn't.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

You uploaded fluff to try and cover for your errors.

SOP.