Tina Towner sold copyright to Gary Mack and Sixth Floor

[Mike]

A year or so ago I started a thread about the Towner #3 photo.

That is the one that shows a man on the steps

Here is a link to it...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bMGIRj3Y9Tw/UtaVN-N2uWI/AAAAAAAADBQ/PKWyi8-KFgU/w944-h612-no/cs_towner1000.gif

Also a few years ago I was posting this same topic on Lancer, (Towner 3
is cropped) and Chris Scally posted an email that he recieved from Gary
Mack. In that email Gary Mack says that Towner 3 shows zapruder and
beatrice hester inside the pergola.

Of course, no publicly available Towner 3 shows that. The Towner 3 I
link to above is one that Chris Scally bought so you know it was the
best available.

Here is the Lancer Gary Mack quote regarding seeing Zapruder in Towner 3....

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7jaI2q1oIQI/UsF6z9I3dbI/AAAAAAAAC8E/VWEzTthigA0/w972-h339-no/mack_on_towner.PNG


Well I found out today that Tina Towner must have sold the copyright of
all her photos to the Sixth Floor...

Here is what Tina Towner says on her website...

"Due to risk of copyright infringement, none of the photographs taken by
my father or me on November 22, 1963, will be posted.

Effective February 2015, The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza obtained
the copyrights to the Towner film and photos. Please contact the museum
regarding use of the images."


http://www.tinatowner.net/photographs


What I realize is that we have to be careful with what information we
discover online. Basically, Gary Mack has removed those photos from the
public domain. Only people that Gary Mack decides can see them will see
them.

Now I know why Gary Mack spends so much time online in the forums.


The Towner #3 photo showing Zapruder in the Pergola while the man is on
the steps is a very important photo. Gary Mack knows that. I should not
have posted this info online.

Be careful what you post online. There are people who are watching.

[Anthony Marsh]

As I've said many times before and this proves, Gary Mack is working for
the cover-up. Sold his soul to the Devil for money.

> Now I know why Gary Mack spends so much time online in the forums.

But only to lurk and send minions to attack.

>
>
> The Towner #3 photo showing Zapruder in the Pergola while the man is on
> the steps is a very important photo. Gary Mack knows that. I should not
> have posted this info online.
>

Then why don't you post the photo?

[David Von Pein]

Here's a message I received from Gary Mack at 10:37 AM EDT on March 21,
2015.....

----------------------

[Quote On:]

Hi Dave,

Have you seen the latest idiotic paranoia on aajfk?

The Towner Collection was donated, not sold, to The Sixth Floor Museum as
stated in a press release.

I'm cataloging the photo and film part of the donation and they'll be on
the Museum's website - for free - in a week or two. The cameras have been
on exhibit in the Museum for almost 20 years.

As mentioned in her book, Tina and I have been personal friends over 35
years and her whole family was pleased to know that someday their
treasured items would go to the Museum....and the day has come!

Gary

[David Von Pein]

Addendum.....

Also see.....

http://www.jfk.org/go/about/press/view-release/2015-02-19-the-sixth-floor-museum-announces-donation-of-color-photographs-and-home-movie-showing-dealey-plaza-seconds-before-and-after-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy

[Mike]

Those pictures were at the Museum for a very long time. They could have
put them on their website a long time ago. As he says, he an Tina have
been friends for a long time.

To my knowledge Tina has never posted the full version of the photo which
shows Zapruder and Hester in the the Pergola shelter.

Tony Marsh bought her book and commented that the size of the photo in her
book was so small it was useless for research purposes.

The cat is out of the bag, people know what he is up to. They know they
have to be careful with the new things they find. That is what concerns
him the most, that people will start to clam up.

Ask Gary why certain people at other forums seem to get exclusive access
to photos at the Sixth floor to post on their forum to the exclusion of
all other forums?

If we forced him out of his fox hole then that is a good thing but lets
see what he puts on his website and the quality and size of the Towner #3
that he publishes.

[Mike]

Again, Tina Towner did not say it was a gift on her website.

She said the Sixth Floor OBTAINED the copyrights...which does not
suggest in any way shape or form that she donated them to the museum.

[Mike]

On 3/21/2015 8:53 PM, David Von Pein wrote:

Here is a link to the Sixth Floors "Rights and Reproduction" page


Who will get the right and who will not get the right to publish an image?

That is under the control of Gary Mack and that is what is important here.

With this type of mechanism it is very hard to tell who gets approved
and who does not and why they do not.

http://www.jfk.org/go/collections/rights-request


With that in mind lets have another look at what Tina Towner wrote on
her website...

She says "Due to the risk of copyright infringement, none of the
photographs taken by my father or me on November 22,1963 will be posted".

There is obviously something more going on here than just making sure
the originals are properly cared for so they do not degrade and preserved.



http://www.tinatowner.net/photographs

[Anthony Marsh]

Gary Mack covers up the evidence.

[Anthony Marsh]

The fact that Gary Mack is making personal attacks on me does not mean
he ever tells the truth.

[black...@aol.com]

On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 2:47:38 PM UTC-7, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 3/20/2015 12:02 AM, Mike wrote:
> > What I realize is that we have to be careful with what information we
> > discover online. Basically, Gary Mack has removed those photos from the
> > public domain. Only people that Gary Mack decides can see them will see
> > them.
> >
>
> As I've said many times before and this proves, Gary Mack is working for
> the cover-up. Sold his soul to the Devil for money.
>
> > Now I know why Gary Mack spends so much time online in the forums.
>
> But only to lurk and send minions to attack.

What is striking is not that Mike, a relative newbie, takes the paranoid
view; It's that Anthony Marsh, who has been at this for years and should
know better still buys into it. Nice way to erode your credibility, Tony!!

[Mark Florio]

From February 2015 to March 2015 is your definition of "a long time ago"?

If you believe it, why don't you come out and say you believe Mack is
engaged a conspiracy in his handling of the photo?

Gary Mack: " . . . seen the latest idiotic paranoia on aajfk?"

Mark Florio

[Mark Florio]

So, your personal attacks on Gary Mack mean you never tell the truth?
Mark Florio.

[Mike]

Please show me the post that Gary Mack made in this thread?

You cannot do that because Gary Mack did not make a post in this thread,
although we all know that he watches all threads in all forums.

Instead what we see here, and in all places, is a very manipulative
action where Gary Mack sends an email to a minion with the purpose of
having that minion post into the forum.

This is but one of the strange behaviors of Gary Mack.

Not until his ventriloquist act, where he has David Von Pein speak for
him do we learn that he is going to put the images on his website in 2
weeks. He did not say that in his "Press Release". But I did not know
about the press release until it was posted in this thread. I learned
that the Sixth Floor OBTAINED (that is Tina's word) the copyright from
her website.

[Anthony Marsh]

Nice way to attack people personally. Do you know Gary Mack? Have you ever
met Gary Mack. Of course not. I have. He is a snake in the grass. He is
part of the cover-up.

As I said before he knows better than to post here in person so he uses
proxies to attack conspiracy believers.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 3/22/2015 9:49 PM, Mike wrote:
> On 3/21/2015 8:53 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>> Addendum.....
>>
>> Also see.....
>>
>> http://www.jfk.org/go/about/press/view-release/2015-02-19-the-sixth-floor-museum-announces-donation-of-color-photographs-and-home-movie-showing-dealey-plaza-seconds-before-and-after-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy
>>
>>
>
>
> Here is a link to the Sixth Floors "Rights and Reproduction" page
>
>
> Who will get the right and who will not get the right to publish an image?
>
> That is under the control of Gary Mack and that is what is important here.
>

Now DVP will have to call you paranoid because you believe in freedom of
the press.

> With this type of mechanism it is very hard to tell who gets approved
> and who does not and why they do not.
>

Not hard at all if you know Gary Mack.
He works for the cover-up.

> http://www.jfk.org/go/collections/rights-request
>
>
> With that in mind lets have another look at what Tina Towner wrote on
> her website...
>
> She says "Due to the risk of copyright infringement, none of the
> photographs taken by my father or me on November 22,1963 will be posted".

What about the photo from her book? Who made a screen capture of that from
her e-book and posted it online when Mack refused to post the original?

>
> There is obviously something more going on here than just making sure
> the originals are properly cared for so they do not degrade and preserved.
>

A lot more.
If Tina Towner does not own the copyright to her own photos, who does
and why? To hide them from the public.
Just like the Zapruder film.
It was only when the Zapruder film was shown in public by WC critics
that the public demanded that the case be reopened. That is what the
cover-up fears. The public.


>
>
> http://www.tinatowner.net/photographs
>
>

[Anthony Marsh]

Of course, but I didn't blame her for that. Always work with the
original negative.
So who was it who made a screen capture from her e-book and posted it
online for the benefit of real researchers?
Note: before February 2015. So Gary Mack, bit me.

>
> The cat is out of the bag, people know what he is up to. They know they
> have to be careful with the new things they find. That is what concerns
> him the most, that people will start to clam up.
>

Watch out, DVP will call you paranoid for speaking up for freedom of the
Press. Only those who are rich enough to own the presses have any freedom.

> Ask Gary why certain people at other forums seem to get exclusive access
> to photos at the Sixth floor to post on their forum to the exclusion of
> all other forums?
>

Because they are run by WC defenders.
I put that in just so that DVP could call me paranoid!

> If we forced him out of his fox hole then that is a good thing but lets
> see what he puts on his website and the quality and size of the Towner
> #3 that he publishes.

Are you joking or dreaming?

[black...@aol.com]

On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 10:38:34 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote:

> Please show me the post that Gary Mack made in this thread?
>
> You cannot do that because Gary Mack did not make a post in this thread,
> although we all know that he watches all threads in all forums.
>
> Instead what we see here, and in all places, is a very manipulative
> action where Gary Mack sends an email to a minion with the purpose of
> having that minion post into the forum.
>
> This is but one of the strange behaviors of Gary Mack.
>
> Not until his ventriloquist act, where he has David Von Pein speak for
> him do we learn that he is going to put the images on his website in 2
> weeks. He did not say that in his "Press Release". But I did not know
> about the press release until it was posted in this thread. I learned
> that the Sixth Floor OBTAINED (that is Tina's word) the copyright from
> her website.

For about the thousandth time: I don't know all the details, but the Sixth
Floor apparently does not approve of Mack responding directly in groups
like this, but allows email. He's locked in by his employer, I understand.

[Mike]

How does the "fair use" clause in the copyright law work?

[black...@aol.com]

On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 10:45:56 PM UTC-4, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> Nice way to attack people personally. Do you know Gary Mack? Have you ever
> met Gary Mack. Of course not. I have. He is a snake in the grass. He is
> part of the cover-up.
>
> As I said before he knows better than to post here in person so he uses
> proxies to attack conspiracy believers.

In my constitutionally-protected opinion, I think these suspicions that
Gary Mack is "a part of the coverup" are not grounded in reality. He was a
CT for a long time, he's moderated his beliefs a bit over the years, and
he's in a position where public comment is limited. It is what it is.

[Mike]

I would say that the evidence is showing that it is the Sixth Floor
and/or Gary Mack that is paranoid.

Gary Mack can talk using your voice but no one can talk directly to Gary
Mack.

Sounds like the Wizard of OZ to me.

Marsh is right on this one.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 3/23/2015 10:38 PM, Mike wrote:
> On 3/22/2015 9:16 PM, black...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 2:47:38 PM UTC-7, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>>> On 3/20/2015 12:02 AM, Mike wrote:
>>>> What I realize is that we have to be careful with what information we
>>>> discover online. Basically, Gary Mack has removed those photos from the
>>>> public domain. Only people that Gary Mack decides can see them will see
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> As I've said many times before and this proves, Gary Mack is working for
>>> the cover-up. Sold his soul to the Devil for money.
>>>
>>>> Now I know why Gary Mack spends so much time online in the forums.
>>>
>>> But only to lurk and send minions to attack.
>>
>> What is striking is not that Mike, a relative newbie, takes the paranoid
>> view; It's that Anthony Marsh, who has been at this for years and should
>> know better still buys into it. Nice way to erode your credibility,
>> Tony!!
>>
>
> Please show me the post that Gary Mack made in this thread?
>
> You cannot do that because Gary Mack did not make a post in this thread,
> although we all know that he watches all threads in all forums.
>

I've never said that Gary Mack posts here. He uses minions to post here
for him.

[Anthony Marsh]

I made no personal attacks on Gary Mack. Just pointed out his tactics
and agenda.

[Anthony Marsh]

Mack is engaged [in] a conspiracy in hid handling of the photo.

> Gary Mack: " . . . seen the latest idiotic paranoia on aajfk?"
>

Seen the latest disinformation from Gary Mack?

> Mark Florio
>

[black...@aol.com]

On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 2:49:55 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote:

> How does the "fair use" clause in the copyright law work?

Anybody (lawyer or not) who claims that there is a magic formula for fair
use is wrong. Basically, you need to be prepared to defend your use of the
protected material in court, using as many as possible of the following
four criteria:

1) It is easier to defend the use of informational works than artistic or
creative works.

2) It is easier to defend the use in a nonprofit way than in a
profit-making way.

3) It is easier to defend use of a short excerpt than a major portion of
the protected work.

4) It is easier to defend a use which does NOT steal any profit potential
from the owner of the work.

[Anthony Marsh]

Sounds about right.
So his boss restricts him to using minions.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 3/24/2015 5:55 PM, Mike wrote:
> On 3/24/2015 11:57 AM, black...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 10:38:34 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
>>
>>> Please show me the post that Gary Mack made in this thread?
>>>
>>> You cannot do that because Gary Mack did not make a post in this thread,
>>> although we all know that he watches all threads in all forums.
>>>
>>> Instead what we see here, and in all places, is a very manipulative
>>> action where Gary Mack sends an email to a minion with the purpose of
>>> having that minion post into the forum.
>>>
>>> This is but one of the strange behaviors of Gary Mack.
>>>
>>> Not until his ventriloquist act, where he has David Von Pein speak for
>>> him do we learn that he is going to put the images on his website in 2
>>> weeks. He did not say that in his "Press Release". But I did not know
>>> about the press release until it was posted in this thread. I learned
>>> that the Sixth Floor OBTAINED (that is Tina's word) the copyright from
>>> her website.
>>
>> For about the thousandth time: I don't know all the details, but the
>> Sixth
>> Floor apparently does not approve of Mack responding directly in groups
>> like this, but allows email. He's locked in by his employer, I
>> understand.
>>
>>
>
> I would say that the evidence is showing that it is the Sixth Floor
> and/or Gary Mack that is paranoid.
>

No, not paranoid. The leaders of the cover-up are not paranoid.
They are just evil. Anyone who objects to evil is paranoid.

> Gary Mack can talk using your voice but no one can talk directly to Gary
> Mack.
>

I talked to Gary Mack in person. I asked him a simple question and he
RAN away crying.

[Anthony Marsh]

Moderated? Is that what you call it? You know what we call it in the
real world? Selling out. Do you understand that Judas was a follower of
Jesus and then betrayed him for 30 pieces of silver?
I am not saying that he is an agent provocateur. That suggests a level
of intelligence which he could never attain. He is what the CIA
classifies as a useful idiot, easily manipulated to serve their agenda.
No morals.

So is YOUR excuse that you've moderated your beliefs or that you've sold
out?

[Anthony Marsh]

If the reproduction is not intended for profit, but only to point out
errors or criticize the original.

[Jason Burke]

And your proof of that, Mr. Marsh?

[Mark Florio]

No, I haven't. What is it? Mark Florio.

[black...@aol.com]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 10:53:52 AM UTC-4, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 3/24/2015 5:50 PM, black...@aol.com wrote:
> > In my constitutionally-protected opinion, I think these suspicions that
> > Gary Mack is "a part of the coverup" are not grounded in reality. He was a
> > CT for a long time, he's moderated his beliefs a bit over the years, and
> > he's in a position where public comment is limited. It is what it is.
>
> Moderated? Is that what you call it?

This is one of the problems with YOU. Pick a single word and argue it.

You know what we call it in the
> real world? Selling out. Do you understand that Judas was a follower of
> Jesus and then betrayed him for 30 pieces of silver?
> I am not saying that he is an agent provocateur. That suggests a level
> of intelligence which he could never attain. He is what the CIA
> classifies as a useful idiot, easily manipulated to serve their agenda.
> No morals.

So you are publicly charging that Gary Mack is being used by the CIA?

>
> So is YOUR excuse that you've moderated your beliefs or that you've sold
> out?

There's something wrong with growing, seeing additional evidence, being
swayed by a cogent argument? You think that dogged intransigence is
preferable to intellectual honesty? NOW I'm starting to understand.

Any CIA people under your bed, Tony??

[black...@aol.com]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 10:54:06 AM UTC-4, Anthony Marsh wrote:

> > How does the "fair use" clause in the copyright law work?
> >
> >
> >
>
> If the reproduction is not intended for profit, but only to point out
> errors or criticize the original.

Wrong. Read my post for the real parameters.

[Mark Florio]

Prove it. You don't know what you're talking about. Mark Florio.

[Mike]

On 3/23/2015 11:06 PM, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 3/22/2015 9:38 PM, Mike wrote:
>> On 3/21/2015 8:52 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>>> Here's a message I received from Gary Mack at 10:37 AM EDT on March 21,
>>> 2015.....
>>>
>>> ----------------------
>>>
>>> [Quote On:]
>>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Have you seen the latest idiotic paranoia on aajfk?
>>>
>>> The Towner Collection was donated, not sold, to The Sixth Floor
>>> Museum as
>>> stated in a press release.
>>>
>>> I'm cataloging the photo and film part of the donation and they'll be on
>>> the Museum's website - for free - in a week or two. The cameras have
>>> been
>>> on exhibit in the Museum for almost 20 years.
>>>
>>> As mentioned in her book, Tina and I have been personal friends over 35
>>> years and her whole family was pleased to know that someday their
>>> treasured items would go to the Museum....and the day has come!
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>

> So who was it who made a screen capture from her e-book and posted it
> online for the benefit of real researchers?
> Note: before February 2015. So Gary Mack, bit me.

Where is that picture you posted online?

If it is in the jfkassasinationforum it can only be seen by members of
that forum.

How about posting it in this forum or providing a link to it?

[Mike]

So if one's work is for research, non-profit and is likely to INCREASE
the profit potential(by increasing demand from collectors) of the
copyrighted material fair use should apply.

[Anthony Marsh]

The constant messages that others post for him.

[Anthony Marsh]

So you are saying there is no such thing as fair use. It just depends
on how expensive a lawyer you can hire?

[Alex Foyle]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 2:07:36 AM UTC+1, Anthony Marsh wrote:

> I made no personal attacks on Gary Mack.

Ha ha ha .... did you type that with a straight face? The below too?

"Gary Mack is working for the cover-up. Sold his soul to the Devil for
money."

Gary Mack "only () lurk(s) and send(s) minions to attack."

"He is a snake in the grass. He is part of the cover-up."

"As I said before he knows better than to post here in person so he uses
proxies to attack conspiracy believers."

And the above is only from this thread. Just search this group for Mack
and Marsh to find a bucket full of paranoid attacks by you on Mack over
the years.

"So what if I attack Gary Mack here? He's not man enough to post here
now."

You really have a warped perception of reality, but what's new?

[Anthony Marsh]

On 3/25/2015 2:05 PM, black...@aol.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 10:53:52 AM UTC-4, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 3/24/2015 5:50 PM, black...@aol.com wrote:
>>> In my constitutionally-protected opinion, I think these suspicions that
>>> Gary Mack is "a part of the coverup" are not grounded in reality. He was a
>>> CT for a long time, he's moderated his beliefs a bit over the years, and
>>> he's in a position where public comment is limited. It is what it is.
>>
>> Moderated? Is that what you call it?
>
> This is one of the problems with YOU. Pick a single word and argue it.
>

Then why did you use that particular euphemism? To protect a fellow WC
defender.

> You know what we call it in the
>> real world? Selling out. Do you understand that Judas was a follower of
>> Jesus and then betrayed him for 30 pieces of silver?
>> I am not saying that he is an agent provocateur. That suggests a level
>> of intelligence which he could never attain. He is what the CIA
>> classifies as a useful idiot, easily manipulated to serve their agenda.
>> No morals.
>
> So you are publicly charging that Gary Mack is being used by the CIA?
>

Not that he knows he is being used by the CIA.

>>
>> So is YOUR excuse that you've moderated your beliefs or that you've sold
>> out?
>
> There's something wrong with growing, seeing additional evidence, being
> swayed by a cogent argument? You think that dogged intransigence is
> preferable to intellectual honesty? NOW I'm starting to understand.
>
> Any CIA people under your bed, Tony??
>

No, I put underbed storage under the bed to prevent that. Is there any
chance that you might argue honestly some time in the future?

[Anthony Marsh]

On 3/22/2015 9:38 PM, Mike wrote:
> On 3/21/2015 8:52 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>> Here's a message I received from Gary Mack at 10:37 AM EDT on March 21,
>> 2015.....
>>
>> ----------------------
>>
>> [Quote On:]
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Have you seen the latest idiotic paranoia on aajfk?
>>
>> The Towner Collection was donated, not sold, to The Sixth Floor Museum as
>> stated in a press release.
>>
>> I'm cataloging the photo and film part of the donation and they'll be on
>> the Museum's website - for free - in a week or two. The cameras have
>> been
>> on exhibit in the Museum for almost 20 years.
>>
>> As mentioned in her book, Tina and I have been personal friends over 35
>> years and her whole family was pleased to know that someday their
>> treasured items would go to the Museum....and the day has come!
>>
>> Gary
>>
>

> Those pictures were at the Museum for a very long time. They could have
> put them on their website a long time ago. As he says, he an Tina have
> been friends for a long time.
>
> To my knowledge Tina has never posted the full version of the photo
> which shows Zapruder and Hester in the the Pergola shelter.
>
> Tony Marsh bought her book and commented that the size of the photo in
> her book was so small it was useless for research purposes.
>

No, I did not buy her book. I saw it and noticed that that it was too
small to be useful. But I did buy her e-book and made a screen capture
from that.

[Sandy McCroskey]

You just asserted the thing you've been asked to prove again.
You don't need any evidence, ever, to believe anything you want to
believe, is that right?

[Mark Florio]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 8:43:58 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 3/25/2015 2:05 PM, black...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 10:53:52 AM UTC-4, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> >> On 3/24/2015 5:50 PM, black...@aol.com wrote:
> >>> In my constitutionally-protected opinion, I think these suspicions that
> >>> Gary Mack is "a part of the coverup" are not grounded in reality. He was a
> >>> CT for a long time, he's moderated his beliefs a bit over the years, and
> >>> he's in a position where public comment is limited. It is what it is.
> >>
> >> Moderated? Is that what you call it?
> >
> > This is one of the problems with YOU. Pick a single word and argue it.
> >
>
> Then why did you use that particular euphemism? To protect a fellow WC
> defender.
>
> > You know what we call it in the
> >> real world? Selling out. Do you understand that Judas was a follower of
> >> Jesus and then betrayed him for 30 pieces of silver?
> >> I am not saying that he is an agent provocateur. That suggests a level
> >> of intelligence which he could never attain. He is what the CIA
> >> classifies as a useful idiot, easily manipulated to serve their agenda.
> >> No morals.
> >
> > So you are publicly charging that Gary Mack is being used by the CIA?
> >
>
> Not that he knows he is being used by the CIA.
>

Give us a straight-up answer, Tony. Is Gary Mack being used by the CIA?
Mark Florio.

[black...@aol.com]

Yes, if the judge or jury felt that those four conditions truly applied to
the case.

It's not widely known that the original Copyright Act of 1909 was not
intended to RESTRICT the exchange of knowledge; It was meant to ENCOURAGE
it, and to provide the framework to do so while maintaining some creative
rights.

[black...@aol.com]

Look it up, know it all. These four tests are actually mentioned in the
law. Don't like the laws of our country? Leave it.

[black...@aol.com]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 6:43:58 PM UTC-7, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 3/25/2015 2:05 PM, black...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 10:53:52 AM UTC-4, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> >> Moderated? Is that what you call it?
> >
> > This is one of the problems with YOU. Pick a single word and argue it.
> >
>
> Then why did you use that particular euphemism? To protect a fellow WC
> defender.

Nice attempt at guilt by association, Senator McCarthy.

>
> > You know what we call it in the
> >> real world? Selling out. Do you understand that Judas was a follower of
> >> Jesus and then betrayed him for 30 pieces of silver?
> >> I am not saying that he is an agent provocateur. That suggests a level
> >> of intelligence which he could never attain. He is what the CIA
> >> classifies as a useful idiot, easily manipulated to serve their agenda.
> >> No morals.
> >
> > So you are publicly charging that Gary Mack is being used by the CIA?
> >
>
> Not that he knows he is being used by the CIA.

No. You implication is enough to tar him, Senator McCarthy.

>
> >>
> >> So is YOUR excuse that you've moderated your beliefs or that you've sold
> >> out?
> >
> > There's something wrong with growing, seeing additional evidence, being
> > swayed by a cogent argument? You think that dogged intransigence is
> > preferable to intellectual honesty? NOW I'm starting to understand.
> >
> > Any CIA people under your bed, Tony??
> >
>
>
> No, I put underbed storage under the bed to prevent that. Is there any
> chance that you might argue honestly some time in the future?

But everytime I do, you lose.

[Anthony Marsh]

This is not a forum. It is a Usenet newsgroup. McAadams will not let me
post photos here.

[Anthony Marsh]

Not officially.

[Mike]

You can post a link to a photo.

[Anthony Marsh]

No, the messages that others post for him are the proof.

[Sandy McCroskey]

Oh, my, you are really not getting this.

What is your proof that said messages are posted on Mack's behalf?

See, that's the same question we've been asking, which you refuse to
answer.

As usual with you, we're still at square one, or maybe it's square zero.

[quan...@yahoo.com]

http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,10242.0.html

[Anthony Marsh]

I did. But you refuse to click on my links. You snooze, you lose.

[Mike]

Thanks for posting that.

If this is the photo published in Tina Towners book it is still
cropped,SIGNIFICANTLY, on the right hand side.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-A1408i2a9mo/VRX6wAN86GI/AAAAAAAAD8k/q-SycKsPGQk/w800-h480-no/Towner3full.png

How do I know it is still cropped SIGNIFICANTLY?

Because when Gary Mack described this photo to Chris Scaly at the Lancer
forum a few years ago GM said

"our scan of the original uncropped towner 3 shows Zapruder and,
apparently, Beatrice Hester inside the pergola,. Zapruder is identifiable
by his white shirt and hat; all I can see CLEARLY of the woman behind him
is her legs and dark suit- which rules out the woman being Sitzman".

Here is a link to that quote by GM

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-hg5-lIAfySk/Uysh4x--9iI/AAAAAAAADF4/_IEcfKTRFGE/w944-h375-no/chris_scally_gary_mack_towner2.PNG


Obviously the photo that GM was describing is not the same photo that we
see in the Towner book. Can you see Zapruders hat and white shirt and a
woman behind him?

[Anthony Marsh]

Is that the best you can do?

[Anthony Marsh]

As I said and you confirm, I already posted it online. Just can't do it
here. And as you yourself said:

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That's just one reason why I tell people that sometimes the only place
that they can find a file is on my Web site.
I used to share in other forums until the Nazis and the kooks ruined them.
Now, try to get Gary Mack to post the FULL photo.

[Mike]

On 3/21/2015 11:10 PM, Mike wrote:
> On 3/21/2015 8:52 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>> Here's a message I received from Gary Mack at 10:37 AM EDT on March 21,
>> 2015.....
>>
>> ----------------------
>>
>> [Quote On:]
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Have you seen the latest idiotic paranoia on aajfk?
>>
>> The Towner Collection was donated, not sold, to The Sixth Floor Museum as
>> stated in a press release.
>>
>> I'm cataloging the photo and film part of the donation and they'll be on
>> the Museum's website - for free - in a week or two. The cameras have
>> been
>> on exhibit in the Museum for almost 20 years.
>>
>> As mentioned in her book, Tina and I have been personal friends over 35
>> years and her whole family was pleased to know that someday their
>> treasured items would go to the Museum....and the day has come!
>>
>> Gary
>>
>

> Those pictures were at the Museum for a very long time. They could have
> put them on their website a long time ago. As he says, he an Tina have
> been friends for a long time.
>
> To my knowledge Tina has never posted the full version of the photo
> which shows Zapruder and Hester in the the Pergola shelter.
>
> Tony Marsh bought her book and commented that the size of the photo in
> her book was so small it was useless for research purposes.
>

> The cat is out of the bag, people know what he is up to. They know they
> have to be careful with the new things they find. That is what concerns
> him the most, that people will start to clam up.
>
> Ask Gary why certain people at other forums seem to get exclusive access
> to photos at the Sixth floor to post on their forum to the exclusion of
> all other forums?
>
> If we forced him out of his fox hole then that is a good thing but lets
> see what he puts on his website and the quality and size of the Towner
> #3 that he publishes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

About a month ago Gary Mack responded rather harshly to the is post
about Towner #3.

He said that in about 2 weeks the photo would be on the Sixth Floor's
website for everyone for free.

As of this writing I still do not see it anywhere on his website.

[Anthony Marsh]

As I explained before, Gary Mack is a professional liar paid by the
cover-up.

[black...@aol.com]

Moderators, I ask that this comment be removed and Anthony Marsh be
warned.

[David Von Pein]

E-mail from Gary Mack (April 14, 2015)....

[Quote On:]

Poor Mike.

No, conspirators haven't held up release of the Towner pictures. Due to
illness, I was delayed over a week writing up the image descriptions, but
now they're turned in and are going through the Museum's standard review
process.

I wonder why Mike seems to think the Museum's website is mine? Heck, I'm
just one of several curators and I'm not the boss, either.

Gary

[End Quote.]

[Mark Florio]

I understand your frustration. It's a low-blow, an unreferenced personal
attack. I've also called Marsh out on his personal attacks on Mack. John
gives the the CTs a wide berth around here, and who can blame him. Marsh
and a few others claim he censors them. Last I checked the man who spews
the term Nazi believes McAdams is just somewhere shy of being Goebbels.
I'm exaggerating of course, but they know nothing about irony. Salt Tony
Marsh's silliness away, grant him his free speech rights, and let it ride.
They don't understand they are their own worst foes. Mark Florio.

[Alex Foyle]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 11:17:29 PM UTC+2, Anthony Marsh wrote:

> As I explained before, Gary Mack is a professional liar paid by the
> cover-up.

True to form again, Marsh, neverminding what you claimed further above:

[Mike]

Gary Mack is the one who said the pictures would be on his website in
two weeks a month ago.

I never said the website was his but , until this email, I think pretty
much the entire world thought that GM was the boss over there.

I am getting the feeling that GM is testing the waters for a flip back
from the dark side.

I suspect that if GM were to find a piece of evidence that would
conclude beyond a shadow of a doubt there was a conspiracy I suspect he
would flip back in a second and publish a book or something in a split
second. Just my opinion.

[Anthony Marsh]

You don't have any standing as defined by the US Supreme Court. Unless
you want to admit that you are Gary Mack.

It's ok to call Judyth a liar because she doesn't post here any more.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 4/16/2015 2:48 PM, Mark Florio wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 8:45:20 PM UTC-5, black...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 5:17:29 PM UTC-4, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>>> On 4/14/2015 9:31 PM, Mike wrote:
>>>> As of this writing I still do not see it anywhere on his website.
>>>
>>> As I explained before, Gary Mack is a professional liar paid by the
>>> cover-up.
>>
>> Moderators, I ask that this comment be removed and Anthony Marsh be
>> warned.
>
> I understand your frustration. It's a low-blow, an unreferenced personal
> attack. I've also called Marsh out on his personal attacks on Mack. John

If Mack if going to attack me by proxy then I have to attack him by
proxy. He's not allowed by the cover-up to post here any more.

> gives the the CTs a wide berth around here, and who can blame him. Marsh
> and a few others claim he censors them. Last I checked the man who spews

I never claim he censors me. McAdams censors me.

> the term Nazi believes McAdams is just somewhere shy of being Goebbels.

I never said that.

> I'm exaggerating of course, but they know nothing about irony. Salt Tony
> Marsh's silliness away, grant him his free speech rights, and let it ride.
> They don't understand they are their own worst foes. Mark Florio.
>

I have invented special terms to get around the censorship. I invented
the term WC defender because McAdams would not let me call them what
they really are.

[Mark Florio]

On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 10:15:58 AM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 4/16/2015 2:48 PM, Mark Florio wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 8:45:20 PM UTC-5, black...@aol.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 5:17:29 PM UTC-4, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> >>> On 4/14/2015 9:31 PM, Mike wrote:
> >>>> As of this writing I still do not see it anywhere on his website.
> >>>
> >>> As I explained before, Gary Mack is a professional liar paid by the
> >>> cover-up.
> >>
> >> Moderators, I ask that this comment be removed and Anthony Marsh be
> >> warned.
> >
> > I understand your frustration. It's a low-blow, an unreferenced personal
> > attack. I've also called Marsh out on his personal attacks on Mack. John
>
> If Mack if going to attack me by proxy then I have to attack him by
> proxy. He's not allowed by the cover-up to post here any more.
>
> > gives the the CTs a wide berth around here, and who can blame him. Marsh
> > and a few others claim he censors them. Last I checked the man who spews
>
> I never claim he censors me. McAdams censors me.
>

That's what I said.

> > the term Nazi believes McAdams is just somewhere shy of being Goebbels.
>
> I never said that.
>
> > I'm exaggerating of course, but they know nothing about irony. Salt Tony
> > Marsh's silliness away, grant him his free speech rights, and let it ride.
> > They don't understand they are their own worst foes. Mark Florio.
> >
>
> I have invented special terms to get around the censorship. I invented
> the term WC defender because McAdams would not let me call them what
> they really are.

Yes, we know about your inventions. You've told us about this one about
twenty times now. Mark Florio