REAL STARTLE REACTIONS DEBUNKING HARRIS PART 285

[BOZ]

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.ca/2010/06/single-bullet-theory-in-action.html

[David Von Pein]

Here's another clip that shows Governor Connally's "startle" reaction even
better....

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/David_Von_Pein/MISCELLANEOUS%20JFK-RELATED%20PHOTOS/110aZ224-Z225TogglingClip.gif

[Robert Harris]

BOZ wrote:
> http://jfk-archives.blogspot.ca/2010/06/single-bullet-theory-in-action.html
>

That is about the SBT. It has nothing to do with the shot at 285.



Robert Harris

[Anthony Marsh]

For the millionth time, pay attention.
Connally said he was hit at frame 230.
That's also what the WC said before Specter had to dream up the Single
Bullet Theory.
That's also what the acoustical evidence indicates.
And Connally saw much better Zapruder frames than you ever have.

[Robert Harris]

I can believe that BOZ was just confused about the reactions to 285,
which began at 290-292 and the SBT shot at 223. But we have discussed
the issue in detail and you know that the SBT has absolutely nothing to
do with 285.

What is your thinking, David - that you can impress lurkers who just
tuned in yesterday?

http://jfkhistory.com/285again.gif

BTW, I also responded to BOZ's post, on 8/6/16, immediately after it
appeared. I guess it's just sheer luck, that yours got reposted and mine
didn't :-)





Robert Harris

[BOZ]

Can you see Kennedy and Connally being startled by something? I can.

[David Von Pein]

But it's what an *ACTUAL* startle reaction looks like on film. And that
was BOZ's point of posting it.

You, however, Bob Harris, have no such jerky/flinching movements to share
with us when it comes to your make-believe gunshot at Zapruder frame #285.

[David Von Pein]

Connally never had the advantage of seeing a repeating clip like this one
over and over again. If he had, do you really think he would have insisted
he was hit at circa Z230-234?....

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KCPYZe3ljVA/UolSwZ4DOwI/AAAAAAAAw1o/JH7p-L7CfvU/s1600/110a.+Z224-Z225+Toggling+Clip.gif

[Jason Burke]

Seriously, Tony!?!

You're still going on the long since discredited "acoustical evidence"?

Wow. Just wow.

[Anthony Marsh]

Moderating is not an exact science.

[BOZ]

There is no evidence that a shot was fired at Z-285. Bob, please remove
your videos from Youtube.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 8/8/2016 5:41 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
> On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 9:35:02 PM UTC-4, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 8/6/2016 10:02 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>>> Here's another clip that shows Governor Connally's "startle" reaction even
>>> better....
>>>
>>> http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/David_Von_Pein/MISCELLANEOUS%20JFK-RELATED%20PHOTOS/110aZ224-Z225TogglingClip.gif
>>>
>>
>> For the millionth time, pay attention.
>> Connally said he was hit at frame 230.
>> That's also what the WC said before Specter had to dream up the Single
>> Bullet Theory.
>> That's also what the acoustical evidence indicates.
>> And Connally saw much better Zapruder frames than you ever have.
>
> Connally never had the advantage of seeing a repeating clip like this one
> over and over again. If he had, do you really think he would have insisted
> he was hit at circa Z230-234?....
>

He had an advantage you never will. He saw the best frames.
And he did not say circa. Stop misrepresenting witnesses. He said frame
230. The WC said frame 230. Is there no dirty trick you won't try?

> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KCPYZe3ljVA/UolSwZ4DOwI/AAAAAAAAw1o/JH7p-L7CfvU/s1600/110a.+Z224-Z225+Toggling+Clip.gif
>

[Anthony Marsh]

What are you talking about? He does, every day? Want to see some startle
reactions? Ask him to play his guitar for an audience.

[OHLeeRedux]

It's all he has left. Anthony is stuck in the 70s, still mooning after his
beloved HSCA.

[Jonny Mayer]

David, that gif goes against your claim. Do you really think after being
shot his facial expression would look as if he was saying "ooh!"? That is
not a pained expression. Compare it to JFK's expression, extreme shock.

So yes he would still pick when he was shot as he originally did if he'd
viewed your gif. As you see his face turns to a pained expression then.

[Jonny Mayer]

Also Jackie's high flies up on both sides of her head and JC's left
shoulder raises. Startle reaction in your gif David. Looks like a bullet
whizzed past Connolly and disturbed Jackie's hair.

[Jason Burke]

Ah, so now Jonny's an expert in muscle and nerve contortions after being
shot!

I love how the CT crowd just has these, oh, *feelings*.

[Jonny Mayer]

He chose 231-234

[Anthony Marsh]

I went way beyond the HSCA. Did the HSCA prove that the Zapruder film is
authentic? No, I did.

The HSCA didn't even try to explain the dent of the chrome topping.

[Jason Burke]

But, but, but. Lincoln said everything on the internet is true.
Would you like the url?

[David Von Pein]

Did he (Connally) see "the best frames" in motion on a repeated loop?

Answer---No, of course he didn't.

Perry, your witness.

[Anthony Marsh]

You don't know. Maybe he's actually seen people being shot and you
haven't.

[Anthony Marsh]

We don't even know what you are trying to say. You need to get a friend
to proofread your messages before you hit SEND.
A bullet passing someone does not disrupt their hair. Do you understand
that there was wind blowing in their direction?
It almost blew Jackie's hat off.

[David Von Pein]

Nothing is happening with Jackie's hair in the Z224-225 clip. You're
inventing things now.

[Jonny Mayer]

Tried to post and got an error message. 2nd attempt:-

No Jason I'm no expert, just trying to answer David's question.

Due to the Connally entrance wound shape the SBT is probably correct I'll
admit. Although I'd rather it wasn't, so here goes:-

David, on the gif you posted above (2nd one) I can see what looks to be a
bullet exiting JFK's throat (aswel as the blur of where it had been) in
the first frame. I have checked other sources for the Zapruder film and
cannot find this bullet on others. Following this line of trajectory from
the blur and bullet it would narrowly miss Connally's left side.

This fits with Jackie's hair movement and Connally's shoulder raise
(involuntary to shield his ear) on the following frame.

Can you see this potential bullet David?

[Anthony Marsh]

On 8/10/2016 2:47 PM, Jonny Mayer wrote:
> He chose 231-234
>


You say that Harris chose 231-234?
Last time I heard he believes in a SBT at frame Z-225/226.
Show me your source.

[OHLeeRedux]

Yeah. Sure you did, Anthony. Keep telling yourself that if it keeps your
self esteem from swirling down into the sewer.

[Anthony Marsh]

How dishonest can you get? Is this a contest? You snip out the context
and then pretend that I said something when it was someone else who said
it. Learn some morals.

[Jason Burke]

Yeah, Tony. Right.

Try again.

Better yet, spend your time on something useful.

[David Von Pein]

JONNY MAYER SAID:

I can see what looks to be a bullet exiting JFK's throat ([as well] as the

blur of where it had been) in the first frame.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

LOL.


JONNY MAYER ASKED:

Can you see this potential bullet[,] David?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

No, Jonny. The bullet was travelling at about 1,775 feet per second at
that point in time. It's not even remotely possible that the bullet could
have been captured on Mr. Zapruder's home movie film.

[OHLeeRedux]

On Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 7:21:40 PM UTC-7, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 8/10/2016 10:41 AM, Jonny Mayer wrote:
> > Also Jackie's high flies up on both sides of her head and JC's left
> > shoulder raises. Startle reaction in your gif David. Looks like a bullet
> > whizzed past Connolly and disturbed Jackie's hair.
> >
>
> We don't even know what you are trying to say. You need to get a friend
> to proofread your messages before you hit SEND.

He can do that because he actually HAS friends, Anthony.

[Anthony Marsh]

I don't need a punk like you to tell me anything. Roland Zavada said
that my paper was correct. Of course you don't even know who Roland
Zavada is.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 8/11/2016 1:19 PM, Jonny Mayer wrote:
> Tried to post and got an error message. 2nd attempt:-
>
> No Jason I'm no expert, just trying to answer David's question.
>
> Due to the Connally entrance wound shape the SBT is probably correct I'll
> admit. Although I'd rather it wasn't, so here goes:-
>

What does that mean? You don't even know the wound shape and it does not
prove any SBT.

> David, on the gif you posted above (2nd one) I can see what looks to be a
> bullet exiting JFK's throat (aswel as the blur of where it had been) in
> the first frame. I have checked other sources for the Zapruder film and
> cannot find this bullet on others. Following this line of trajectory from
> the blur and bullet it would narrowly miss Connally's left side.
>

Well, jeez if you check enough kook web sites you might stumble on one
which shows the bullet in flight.

> This fits with Jackie's hair movement and Connally's shoulder raise
> (involuntary to shield his ear) on the following frame.
>

Physically impossible.

> Can you see this potential bullet David?
>

Can you see any actual bullets?

[mainframetech]

On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 4:51:45 PM UTC-4, Robert Harris wrote:
> BOZ wrote:
> > http://jfk-archives.blogspot.ca/2010/06/single-bullet-theory-in-action.html
> >
>
> That is about the SBT. It has nothing to do with the shot at 285.
>
>
>
> Robert Harris

Bob, the SBT didn't happen and I can prove it from the record.

Chris

[Jonny Mayer]

I meant Connally chose mate.

[BOZ]

Marsh are you still blaming the CIA for the assassination of Caligula?

[Anthony Marsh]

You never know. You just ASSuME.

[Jonny Mayer]

Hey I'm Anthony's friend

[Jason Burke]

I'm gonna ASSuME you've been licking those Mickey Mouse stamps (like we
did in the late '70s,) before posting that comment.

[Anthony Marsh]

So? Have you ever seen Doc Edgerton's high speed photography showing
bullets in flight?
The word you want is frame rate.

[Anthony Marsh]

Don't you still claim that was just an accident?

[Anthony Marsh]

On 8/12/2016 3:14 PM, Jonny Mayer wrote:
> I meant Connally chose mate.
>

Jeez, I certainly hope so. WTF are you talking about?

[Jonny Mayer]

I was answering your question. Yes David it is entirely possible that the
bullet was captured on film, unlikely but possible. I'll draw a circle
round what I can see to make it easier next week.

[Anthony Marsh]

I had a feeling you'd say that.

[OHLeeRedux]

Anthony Marsh

On 8/12/2016 3:14 PM, Jonny Mayer wrote:
> I meant Connally chose mate.
>


Jeez, I certainly hope so. WTF are you talking about?

Confused again, eh Anthony? Time for another nap.

[BOZ]

Bob Guccione assassinated Caligula.

[Anthony Marsh]

Physically impossible with the cameras they had back in 1963.

[Jonny Mayer]

Actually that bullet probably dented the windshield

[Anthony Marsh]

Cuccione assassinated movies.

[Anthony Marsh]

Connally what?

[Anthony Marsh]

On 8/15/2016 8:02 PM, Jonny Mayer wrote:
> Actually that bullet probably dented the windshield
>

Excuse me? dented the windshield? It wasn't dented. It was cracked.
I really doubt that a direct hit by a whole bullet would only crack the
windshield and not go through it. Unless it hit at a glancing angle from
the side.

[Jonny Mayer]

Connally chose the zapruder frames I meant. I don't get the option of
quoting on my phone. Sorry for the confusion.

[Jonny Mayer]

Not the glass I meant the metal bar across the top of the car

[Anthony Marsh]

On 8/18/2016 2:39 PM, Jonny Mayer wrote:
> Not the glass I meant the metal bar across the top of the car
>

Yes, it is called the parade bar. What about it?

[Jonny Mayer]

Anthony, if that's a bullet coming out of JFK's throat on the first frame
of David's gif then that is what caused the bullet hole in the metal above
the windscreen

[Anthony Marsh]

I don't even know what you are talking about. Which frame number?
i can assure you that no film taken in Dealey Plkaza shows a bullet in
flight. You need a high speed camera like Doc Edgerton at MIT:

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/wm/live/1280_640/images/live/p0/23/db/p023dbfh.jpg

[Jonny Mayer]

Not a hole a dent

[Jonny Mayer]

Chrome topping you called it Anthony.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 8/21/2016 9:53 PM, Jonny Mayer wrote:
> Chrome topping you called it Anthony.
>

Silly. You are talking about different things.
What do you want to know about?
Ever see any pictures?

[Jonny Mayer]

Ok maybe if I start a thread about it you may try to follow