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Piotr Mancini
Oct 3, 2018, 11:39:46 AM10/3/18
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I wonder whether our co-participant Mitch decided to deport himself to the
JFK Assassination forum, where he normally hangs out. Perhaps he and
Duncan decided to become exclusive? :-)
Previous-Subject: Strangers in the night, exchanging roses ...
Even before my days at MIT (*) I was aware of the tremendous pressure
therein. No, I am not talking about the well known saying:
“Getting a degree at MIT is like drinking water out of a
firehose”
I am referring to pressure of a more dangerous nature: that of the mind.
Divorces are rather common (including mine), there is a very active
suicide line, etc.
Back in Venezuela, as a teenager, I was already reading about the area.
Route 128/95 -Tony will explain the dichotomy- was called “The
Golden Horseshoe” since so many fortunes have been made in the
birthplace of LAN, minicomputers, the Media Lab (current employer of Sir
Timothy John Berners-Lee, the creator of the World Wide Web), BBN, et
cetera.
I know I keep on saying: “MIT, Stanford, numbers, numbers,
numbers”. As if that is the only discipline that matters. Well, I
was partially wrong: The emotional aspect is an inseparable component.
Mental health specialists should be invited to join this common endeavor.
For my first Christmas there (1987) my wife and I were invited to the
Course I Department party. It was held in Endicott House, which was
donated by the family that made their fortune in shoes (those same
machines were later adapted to assemble printed circuit boards). The
similarity with the movie “Jumanji” is uncanny, it is
simply unbelievable. Endicott House portraits heads of African animals on
the walls.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113497/?ref_=nv_sr_2
Some of the techniques suggested (by Harvard psychologists, of course) to
lower the stress were like these two:
- While a professor went -much like JFK Numbers in the Alec Baldwin
banquet- “Equations this, and formulas that, blah, blah,
blah”, one of his students, Barbara, was between her boss and
the audience, facing us, pulling out signs like “He is
lying”, "Am I the only one getting bored?", etc. We of course,
LOLd.
But this was the best. Ignacio Rodriguez Iturbe is one of the most
prominent scientists from Venezuela, he used to “commute”
back and forth between teaching at Simon Bolivar University (every country
has an MIT) and teaching at Cambridge. The demand from the mob audience
(his tortured students) at Endicott House was this:
- "Ignacio and Dennis (McLaughlin, my boss) will dance and exchange a
rose between their teeth"
Ignacio was clearly nervous, not because his partner's embrace was too
tight or anything like that. He kept on looking Jackie and I (only Latinos
present) out of the corner of his eye. You see, Latin America is not
Greece, two men dancing is not very orthodox. He had been recently
humiliated, tried to run for USB university's president and was badly
defeated. A comment that he was interchanging saliva in the US, spread at
Internet speed to Caracas, was probably not high on his list of How to
Improve Your Reputation (Not that he needed it!).
What is the purpose of this post, you ask?
It is a response to Mitch Todd's demands. Look, Mitch: I can pretty much
do whatever logical, reasonable action that The People demand from the
Notable Doctors of the CT persuasion. That said, I doubt that they will be
willing to perform that dancing exchange, just for your amusement. If you
like dancing bears and a circus act, you have to talk to the Trumpsters.
Other than that undulating mano-a-mano, what exactly do you want them to
do? Just write it down, let's debate it.
I will be happy to forward your request to them. The more signatures the
better. In fact, rest assured that they will read this post. Is McAdams an
acceptable witness?
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
(*) Where I did not graduate or attend. In fact, I did not take a single full course. What I got from "Mens et Manus" was much better than a diploma, specially given my current journey/quest.
See explanation bellow, in the comments under the videoclip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1vAdyLFtm0
JFK Assassination forum, where he normally hangs out. Perhaps he and
Duncan decided to become exclusive? :-)
Previous-Subject: Strangers in the night, exchanging roses ...
Even before my days at MIT (*) I was aware of the tremendous pressure
therein. No, I am not talking about the well known saying:
“Getting a degree at MIT is like drinking water out of a
firehose”
I am referring to pressure of a more dangerous nature: that of the mind.
Divorces are rather common (including mine), there is a very active
suicide line, etc.
Back in Venezuela, as a teenager, I was already reading about the area.
Route 128/95 -Tony will explain the dichotomy- was called “The
Golden Horseshoe” since so many fortunes have been made in the
birthplace of LAN, minicomputers, the Media Lab (current employer of Sir
Timothy John Berners-Lee, the creator of the World Wide Web), BBN, et
cetera.
I know I keep on saying: “MIT, Stanford, numbers, numbers,
numbers”. As if that is the only discipline that matters. Well, I
was partially wrong: The emotional aspect is an inseparable component.
Mental health specialists should be invited to join this common endeavor.
For my first Christmas there (1987) my wife and I were invited to the
Course I Department party. It was held in Endicott House, which was
donated by the family that made their fortune in shoes (those same
machines were later adapted to assemble printed circuit boards). The
similarity with the movie “Jumanji” is uncanny, it is
simply unbelievable. Endicott House portraits heads of African animals on
the walls.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113497/?ref_=nv_sr_2
Some of the techniques suggested (by Harvard psychologists, of course) to
lower the stress were like these two:
- While a professor went -much like JFK Numbers in the Alec Baldwin
banquet- “Equations this, and formulas that, blah, blah,
blah”, one of his students, Barbara, was between her boss and
the audience, facing us, pulling out signs like “He is
lying”, "Am I the only one getting bored?", etc. We of course,
LOLd.
But this was the best. Ignacio Rodriguez Iturbe is one of the most
prominent scientists from Venezuela, he used to “commute”
back and forth between teaching at Simon Bolivar University (every country
has an MIT) and teaching at Cambridge. The demand from the mob audience
(his tortured students) at Endicott House was this:
- "Ignacio and Dennis (McLaughlin, my boss) will dance and exchange a
rose between their teeth"
Ignacio was clearly nervous, not because his partner's embrace was too
tight or anything like that. He kept on looking Jackie and I (only Latinos
present) out of the corner of his eye. You see, Latin America is not
Greece, two men dancing is not very orthodox. He had been recently
humiliated, tried to run for USB university's president and was badly
defeated. A comment that he was interchanging saliva in the US, spread at
Internet speed to Caracas, was probably not high on his list of How to
Improve Your Reputation (Not that he needed it!).
What is the purpose of this post, you ask?
It is a response to Mitch Todd's demands. Look, Mitch: I can pretty much
do whatever logical, reasonable action that The People demand from the
Notable Doctors of the CT persuasion. That said, I doubt that they will be
willing to perform that dancing exchange, just for your amusement. If you
like dancing bears and a circus act, you have to talk to the Trumpsters.
Other than that undulating mano-a-mano, what exactly do you want them to
do? Just write it down, let's debate it.
I will be happy to forward your request to them. The more signatures the
better. In fact, rest assured that they will read this post. Is McAdams an
acceptable witness?
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
(*) Where I did not graduate or attend. In fact, I did not take a single full course. What I got from "Mens et Manus" was much better than a diploma, specially given my current journey/quest.
See explanation bellow, in the comments under the videoclip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1vAdyLFtm0
Piotr Mancini
Oct 9, 2018, 12:02:20 PM10/9/18
to
"Other than that undulating mano-a-mano"
I wrote:
"Other than that undulating dente-a-dente"
It makes a huge difference.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
https://translate.google.com/#it/en/dente
Mitch Todd
Oct 12, 2018, 8:31:04 AM10/12/18
to
Oh, I'm still 'round and about. Just not always. And usenet has
been my normal haunt for JFK stuff since before alt.conspiracy.jfk
was carved out of a.c.jfk. Duncan's forum is the new gig.
Anyway, Here's the deal, as concisely as I can do this time of night:
1.) You keep promising All These Wonderful Things.
2.) As Mr Iacoletti noted on the other board, you've been
promising All These Wonderful Things for quite a while
now, with not much to show for it. Or, as he called it,
vaporware.
3.) You seem to me to have little or no understanding of the
various scientific and technical subjects underlying All
These Wonderful Things. That seems to me to be something
of a handicap.
4.) So far, getting you to specifically nail down who is
actually and actively taking part in these endeavors
generally result in roundabout, effusive, often even
nebulous responses that don't really seem to answer the
question. In fact, they appear to be constructed to
say a lot while not giving up too much information.
Eventually, you'll cough up the goods, but it never
sounds as good in the end as it does in the beginning.
5.) You also seem to try to speak for others --"The People"
in particular-- without demonstrating any good basis for
that authority,all the while while simultaneously
professing your humility.
I honestly don't know how it all adds up. You seem well enough
intentioned, but your style seems to either confuse people or raise red
flags, including precisely those whom you're trying to appeal to. That
would seem to limit the appeal of your appeals, and might explain why you
don't seem to have the teeming masses beating a path to your door.
On 10/3/2018 10:39 AM, Piotr Mancini wrote:
> I wonder whether our co-participant Mitch decided to deport himself to the
> JFK Assassination forum, where he normally hangs out. Perhaps he and
> Duncan decided to become exclusive? :-)
>
> Previous-Subject: Strangers in the night, exchanging roses ...
>
> Even before my days at MIT (*) I was aware of the tremendous pressure
> therein. No, I am not talking about the well known saying:
>
> ???Getting a degree at MIT is like drinking water out of a
> firehose???
> Golden Horseshoe??? since so many fortunes have been made in the
> numbers???. As if that is the only discipline that matters. Well, I
> blah???, one of his students, Barbara, was between her boss and
> the audience, facing us, pulling out signs like ???He is
> lying???, "Am I the only one getting bored?", etc. We of course,
been my normal haunt for JFK stuff since before alt.conspiracy.jfk
was carved out of a.c.jfk. Duncan's forum is the new gig.
Anyway, Here's the deal, as concisely as I can do this time of night:
1.) You keep promising All These Wonderful Things.
2.) As Mr Iacoletti noted on the other board, you've been
promising All These Wonderful Things for quite a while
now, with not much to show for it. Or, as he called it,
vaporware.
3.) You seem to me to have little or no understanding of the
various scientific and technical subjects underlying All
These Wonderful Things. That seems to me to be something
of a handicap.
4.) So far, getting you to specifically nail down who is
actually and actively taking part in these endeavors
generally result in roundabout, effusive, often even
nebulous responses that don't really seem to answer the
question. In fact, they appear to be constructed to
say a lot while not giving up too much information.
Eventually, you'll cough up the goods, but it never
sounds as good in the end as it does in the beginning.
5.) You also seem to try to speak for others --"The People"
in particular-- without demonstrating any good basis for
that authority,all the while while simultaneously
professing your humility.
I honestly don't know how it all adds up. You seem well enough
intentioned, but your style seems to either confuse people or raise red
flags, including precisely those whom you're trying to appeal to. That
would seem to limit the appeal of your appeals, and might explain why you
don't seem to have the teeming masses beating a path to your door.
On 10/3/2018 10:39 AM, Piotr Mancini wrote:
> I wonder whether our co-participant Mitch decided to deport himself to the
> JFK Assassination forum, where he normally hangs out. Perhaps he and
> Duncan decided to become exclusive? :-)
>
> Previous-Subject: Strangers in the night, exchanging roses ...
>
> Even before my days at MIT (*) I was aware of the tremendous pressure
> therein. No, I am not talking about the well known saying:
>
> firehose???
>
> I am referring to pressure of a more dangerous nature: that of the mind.
> Divorces are rather common (including mine), there is a very active
> suicide line, etc.
>
> Back in Venezuela, as a teenager, I was already reading about the area.
> Route 128/95 -Tony will explain the dichotomy- was called ???The
> I am referring to pressure of a more dangerous nature: that of the mind.
> Divorces are rather common (including mine), there is a very active
> suicide line, etc.
>
> Back in Venezuela, as a teenager, I was already reading about the area.
> Golden Horseshoe??? since so many fortunes have been made in the
> birthplace of LAN, minicomputers, the Media Lab (current employer of Sir
> Timothy John Berners-Lee, the creator of the World Wide Web), BBN, et
> cetera.
>
> I know I keep on saying: ???MIT, Stanford, numbers, numbers,
> Timothy John Berners-Lee, the creator of the World Wide Web), BBN, et
> cetera.
>
> numbers???. As if that is the only discipline that matters. Well, I
> was partially wrong: The emotional aspect is an inseparable component.
> Mental health specialists should be invited to join this common endeavor.
>
> For my first Christmas there (1987) my wife and I were invited to the
> Course I Department party. It was held in Endicott House, which was
> donated by the family that made their fortune in shoes (those same
> machines were later adapted to assemble printed circuit boards). The
> similarity with the movie ???Jumanji??? is uncanny, it is
> Mental health specialists should be invited to join this common endeavor.
>
> For my first Christmas there (1987) my wife and I were invited to the
> Course I Department party. It was held in Endicott House, which was
> donated by the family that made their fortune in shoes (those same
> machines were later adapted to assemble printed circuit boards). The
> simply unbelievable. Endicott House portraits heads of African animals on
> the walls.
>
> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113497/?ref_=nv_sr_2
>
> Some of the techniques suggested (by Harvard psychologists, of course) to
> lower the stress were like these two:
>
> - While a professor went -much like JFK Numbers in the Alec Baldwin
> banquet- ???Equations this, and formulas that, blah, blah,
> the walls.
>
> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113497/?ref_=nv_sr_2
>
> Some of the techniques suggested (by Harvard psychologists, of course) to
> lower the stress were like these two:
>
> - While a professor went -much like JFK Numbers in the Alec Baldwin
> blah???, one of his students, Barbara, was between her boss and
> the audience, facing us, pulling out signs like ???He is
> lying???, "Am I the only one getting bored?", etc. We of course,
> LOLd.
>
> But this was the best. Ignacio Rodriguez Iturbe is one of the most
> prominent scientists from Venezuela, he used to ???commute???
>
> But this was the best. Ignacio Rodriguez Iturbe is one of the most
BT George
Oct 13, 2018, 11:47:55 AM10/13/18
to
On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 7:31:04 AM UTC-5, Mitch Todd wrote:
> Oh, I'm still 'round and about. Just not always. And usenet has
> been my normal haunt for JFK stuff since before alt.conspiracy.jfk
> was carved out of a.c.jfk. Duncan's forum is the new gig.
>
> Anyway, Here's the deal, as concisely as I can do this time of night:
>
> 1.) You keep promising All These Wonderful Things.
>
> 2.) As Mr Iacoletti noted on the other board, you've been
> promising All These Wonderful Things for quite a while
> now, with not much to show for it. Or, as he called it,
> vaporware.
>
> 3.) You seem to me to have little or no understanding of the
> various scientific and technical subjects underlying All
> These Wonderful Things. That seems to me to be something
> of a handicap.
>
> 4.) So far, getting you to specifically nail down who is
> actually and actively taking part in these endeavors
> generally result in roundabout, effusive, often even
> nebulous responses that don't really seem to answer the
> question. In fact, they appear to be constructed to
> say a lot while not giving up too much information.
> Eventually, you'll cough up the goods, but it never
> sounds as good in the end as it does in the beginning.
>
Yep. And even as a person who can sometimes be accused of saying more than
> Oh, I'm still 'round and about. Just not always. And usenet has
> been my normal haunt for JFK stuff since before alt.conspiracy.jfk
> was carved out of a.c.jfk. Duncan's forum is the new gig.
>
> Anyway, Here's the deal, as concisely as I can do this time of night:
>
> 1.) You keep promising All These Wonderful Things.
>
> 2.) As Mr Iacoletti noted on the other board, you've been
> promising All These Wonderful Things for quite a while
> now, with not much to show for it. Or, as he called it,
> vaporware.
>
> 3.) You seem to me to have little or no understanding of the
> various scientific and technical subjects underlying All
> These Wonderful Things. That seems to me to be something
> of a handicap.
>
> 4.) So far, getting you to specifically nail down who is
> actually and actively taking part in these endeavors
> generally result in roundabout, effusive, often even
> nebulous responses that don't really seem to answer the
> question. In fact, they appear to be constructed to
> say a lot while not giving up too much information.
> Eventually, you'll cough up the goods, but it never
> sounds as good in the end as it does in the beginning.
>
is necessary to make a point, I can honestly say I have never seen anyone
write more words with less useful information being imparted than Ramon.
Too much of what he says is either incomprehensible, or just doesn't add
up to his grandiose claims.
Ramon F Herrera
Oct 14, 2018, 9:37:13 PM10/14/18
to
On 10/12/2018 7:31 AM, Mitch Todd wrote:
> Oh, I'm still 'round and about. Just not always. And usenet has
> been my normal haunt for JFK stuff since before alt.conspiracy.jfk
> was carved out of a.c.jfk. Duncan's forum is the new gig.
I have answered every single question asked, and then some. I believe in
> Oh, I'm still 'round and about. Just not always. And usenet has
> been my normal haunt for JFK stuff since before alt.conspiracy.jfk
> was carved out of a.c.jfk. Duncan's forum is the new gig.
keeping you people informed: after all, what I am doing is not mine, it
is yours.
http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/
Meanwhile:
[Post about two MIT professor "Exchanging Roses" suppressed]
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.assassination.jfk/z7XgX32Xl94/QWZBLLWBCgAJ
What is the purpose of that post above, you ask?
It is a response to Mitch Todd's demands. Look, Mitch: I can pretty much
do whatever logical, reasonable action that The People demand from the
Notable Doctors of the CT persuasion. That said, I doubt that they will be
willing to perform that dancing exchange, just for your amusement. If you
like dancing bears and a circus act, you have to talk to the Trumpsters.
do? Just write it down, let's debate it.
I will be happy to forward your request to them. The more signatures the
better. In fact, rest assured that they will know about it. Is McAdams
I will be happy to forward your request to them. The more signatures the
Ramon F Herrera
Oct 14, 2018, 9:38:32 PM10/14/18
to
On 10/13/2018 10:47 AM, BT George wrote:
>> 3.) You seem to me to have little or no understanding of the
>> various scientific and technical subjects underlying All
>> These Wonderful Things. That seems to me to be something
>> of a handicap.
>>
Generic, unsubstantiated accusations, sure sign of the Trampista.
>> 3.) You seem to me to have little or no understanding of the
>> various scientific and technical subjects underlying All
>> These Wonderful Things. That seems to me to be something
>> of a handicap.
>>
Care to clarify exactly which scientific and technical matters I ignore?
After you do that, I will add several dozen to the list.
I hate to disappoint, but you people (specially CTs) are stuck with me.
:-( I happen to be not only the best but the ONLY human resource left to
the JFK community, in the numerical aspect.
I have never, ever, ever claimed to be a scientist, not even a
researcher. I won't even deserve a footnote. At the most some sort of
finder's fee.
My *proposals* are:
(1) Obtain the most accurate possible digital copy of the X-rays -as a
minimum for *preservation* purposes- to be followed by some obvious
studies by the best scientists on planer earth. They have been located and
identified frequently. Feel free to find more. Their contact info and
phone numbers are available. Wanna call them? Report that Ramon has been
spreading bullshit about them? Be my guest!
(2) Create a Free Open 3D model of the Plaza. The most accurate laser data
ever collected was donated to JFK Numbers (therefore, to *you*). Feel free
to grab some files, heck, all of them, and create a competing site. No
need to acknowledge anything.
http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/
Pray tell: which one do you hate the most?
I don't have to be involved in either project. In fact, why don't some
of you deniers take over?
Oh, here's an idea: The most daring/motivated/leader types among you
should lobby the Notable Doctors of the LN persuasion with words such as:
"Those wacko doctors are getting together. Let's take the lead and take
over that project. We will send the X-rays to some real scientists to
demonstrate that they are legitimate. The 3D model will confirm once and
for all what we all knew: Lee, alone, 3 shots. We will humiliate them
until the end of time!"
[just a suggestion: as in the petition, you may use your own words]
Next time, have the minimum class to address my points, specifically,
like I am doing with yours. Item by item, as I propose to answer the
awful PBS Nova documentary that you applaud so much.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Ramon F Herrera
Oct 15, 2018, 9:07:28 AM10/15/18
to Anthony Marsh
Mitch & BT George:
I just came up with a better reply for the discontent duo. Let's begin
with the digitalization of the 3 X-rays.
The following Notable Doctors are ready to co-sign the petition to the
Kennedys. You don't have to believe me. I am sure that if enough of us
request it, professor McAdams will be glad to be an intermediary and
forward any questions you may have to them.
- Dr. Gary Aguilar
- Dr. Michael Chesser
- Dr. David Mantik
- Joseph Riley, PhD
- Dr. Randolph Robertson
- Dr. Cyril Wecht
I used to correspond with the scientists indicated below, for the "Ich Bin
Ein Berliner" project. It was very relaxed and informative. However, since
the project has become more conflictive and accompanied by the inevitable
issues brought by getting closer to the hard reality, I rather make
Hans-Christian transatlantic calls from Houston at dawn. Last time we
spoke, he gave told me the annual price tag/stipend for a PhD student. He
warned me that Euros are more valuable than dollars and the institute's
cut is even higher. All those computers and CT equipment are not cheap.
For over a year I have been warning CAPA about this.
http://www.zib.de/projects/3d-reconstruction-anatomical-structures-2d-x-ray-images
Where is that money coming from? If you ask Tony nicely, he may tell you.
See here the latest e-mail sent to me by Gene Morris, the person that
was designated as my point of contact by the National Archives:
http://www.jfknumbers.org/~ramon/jfk/Gene-Morris-Email-About-Paul-Kirk.png
So, is it your contention that all of the above are following the lead
of a bullshitter? Of a snake oil sweet talking salesman? Boy, you
ascribe some awesome powers of persuasion to silly ole' me.
*Feel free to contact any/all of the above.*
Why hasn't that wonderful project been continued? Ah! You two finally
ask a good question! It was about time ...
I had to inform the Notable Doctors:
"I am sorry, I know that we all are excited about this but I had to
postpone the X-rays and cranium due to recent, unexpected events (the
donation to JFK Numbers of the laser data by the company in charge of
the PBS Nova disappointment)"
Additionally, I decided to change the order of the trips: Boston should be
first (not because I am eager to take the offer of Tony to take me to my
favorite restaurant in the Boston Harbor). The reason is to be as little
disruptive of the status quo as possible. There is no blood involved in
Boston, only the relaxed atmosphere of a library. I am so convinced that
we -the Unified JFK Community- have the proverbial frying pan by the
handle that we have more power now, and -something hated by all righties:
With more power comes more responsibility
Read about "there would be blood on the streets" if you still don't get
it.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
ps: Precisely which promises have I broken? IIRC my only one has been to
place every file on a public Internet server. There yo go:
https://goo.gl/cZ7Axr
https://goo.gl/jTy69B
http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/
Last, but not least:
http://jfk.boards.net/post/220/thread
I just came up with a better reply for the discontent duo. Let's begin
with the digitalization of the 3 X-rays.
The following Notable Doctors are ready to co-sign the petition to the
Kennedys. You don't have to believe me. I am sure that if enough of us
request it, professor McAdams will be glad to be an intermediary and
forward any questions you may have to them.
- Dr. Gary Aguilar
- Dr. Michael Chesser
- Dr. David Mantik
- Joseph Riley, PhD
- Dr. Randolph Robertson
- Dr. Cyril Wecht
I used to correspond with the scientists indicated below, for the "Ich Bin
Ein Berliner" project. It was very relaxed and informative. However, since
the project has become more conflictive and accompanied by the inevitable
issues brought by getting closer to the hard reality, I rather make
Hans-Christian transatlantic calls from Houston at dawn. Last time we
spoke, he gave told me the annual price tag/stipend for a PhD student. He
warned me that Euros are more valuable than dollars and the institute's
cut is even higher. All those computers and CT equipment are not cheap.
For over a year I have been warning CAPA about this.
http://www.zib.de/projects/3d-reconstruction-anatomical-structures-2d-x-ray-images
Where is that money coming from? If you ask Tony nicely, he may tell you.
See here the latest e-mail sent to me by Gene Morris, the person that
was designated as my point of contact by the National Archives:
http://www.jfknumbers.org/~ramon/jfk/Gene-Morris-Email-About-Paul-Kirk.png
So, is it your contention that all of the above are following the lead
of a bullshitter? Of a snake oil sweet talking salesman? Boy, you
ascribe some awesome powers of persuasion to silly ole' me.
*Feel free to contact any/all of the above.*
Why hasn't that wonderful project been continued? Ah! You two finally
ask a good question! It was about time ...
I had to inform the Notable Doctors:
"I am sorry, I know that we all are excited about this but I had to
postpone the X-rays and cranium due to recent, unexpected events (the
donation to JFK Numbers of the laser data by the company in charge of
the PBS Nova disappointment)"
Additionally, I decided to change the order of the trips: Boston should be
first (not because I am eager to take the offer of Tony to take me to my
favorite restaurant in the Boston Harbor). The reason is to be as little
disruptive of the status quo as possible. There is no blood involved in
Boston, only the relaxed atmosphere of a library. I am so convinced that
we -the Unified JFK Community- have the proverbial frying pan by the
handle that we have more power now, and -something hated by all righties:
With more power comes more responsibility
Read about "there would be blood on the streets" if you still don't get
it.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
ps: Precisely which promises have I broken? IIRC my only one has been to
place every file on a public Internet server. There yo go:
https://goo.gl/cZ7Axr
https://goo.gl/jTy69B
http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/
Last, but not least:
http://jfk.boards.net/post/220/thread
bigdog
Oct 15, 2018, 8:04:37 PM10/15/18
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free to make it free and open if that is your choice. People who have done
that work before you are under no obligation to give you that. It is their
property and they can choose to give it to you, sell it to you, or deny it
to you as they see fit.
bigdog
Oct 15, 2018, 8:05:31 PM10/15/18
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On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 9:07:28 AM UTC-4, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> Mitch & BT George:
>
> I just came up with a better reply for the discontent duo. Let's begin
> with the digitalization of the 3 X-rays.
>
> The following Notable Doctors are ready to co-sign the petition to the
> Kennedys. You don't have to believe me. I am sure that if enough of us
> request it, professor McAdams will be glad to be an intermediary and
> forward any questions you may have to them.
>
> - Dr. Gary Aguilar
> - Dr. Michael Chesser
> - Dr. David Mantik
> - Joseph Riley, PhD
> - Dr. Randolph Robertson
> - Dr. Cyril Wecht
>
IOW, the usual suspects.
> Mitch & BT George:
>
> I just came up with a better reply for the discontent duo. Let's begin
> with the digitalization of the 3 X-rays.
>
> The following Notable Doctors are ready to co-sign the petition to the
> Kennedys. You don't have to believe me. I am sure that if enough of us
> request it, professor McAdams will be glad to be an intermediary and
> forward any questions you may have to them.
>
> - Dr. Gary Aguilar
> - Dr. Michael Chesser
> - Dr. David Mantik
> - Joseph Riley, PhD
> - Dr. Randolph Robertson
> - Dr. Cyril Wecht
>
> Additionally, I decided to change the order of the trips: Boston should be
> first (not because I am eager to take the offer of Tony to take me to my
> favorite restaurant in the Boston Harbor). The reason is to be as little
> disruptive of the status quo as possible. There is no blood involved in
> Boston, only the relaxed atmosphere of a library. I am so convinced that
> we -the Unified JFK Community- have the proverbial frying pan by the
> handle that we have more power now, and -something hated by all righties:
>
> With more power comes more responsibility
>
> Read about "there would be blood on the streets" if you still don't get
> it.
>
BT George
Oct 16, 2018, 1:59:57 PM10/16/18
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On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 8:38:32 PM UTC-5, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On 10/13/2018 10:47 AM, BT George wrote:
> >> 3.) You seem to me to have little or no understanding of the
> >> various scientific and technical subjects underlying All
> >> These Wonderful Things. That seems to me to be something
> >> of a handicap.
> >>
>
> Generic, unsubstantiated accusations, sure sign of the Trampista.
>
First, do you realize you are responding to Mitch's portion of my post?
> On 10/13/2018 10:47 AM, BT George wrote:
> >> 3.) You seem to me to have little or no understanding of the
> >> various scientific and technical subjects underlying All
> >> These Wonderful Things. That seems to me to be something
> >> of a handicap.
> >>
>
> Generic, unsubstantiated accusations, sure sign of the Trampista.
>
Second, I don't quite know what a "Trampista" is, nor am I a "Trumpista"
if that is what you meant. (I am Christian conservative who for policy
and character reasons couldn't go with Hillary, and for character reasons
alone, could not support Trump. Though my sympathies lie *much* closer to
most of his actual----not Leftist mischaracterized---policies.)
But my politics have absolutely *nothing* to do with my complaint about
your posts. I am sure I speak for *many* when I say that there appears to
be a distinct *gap* between the routine length and grandiosity of most of
your posts, and any useful results or information that has resulted from
your "Oh-so-important-to-the-people!" project.
If you're not familiar with Robert Harris or the poster known around here
as "Gknoll" I recommend you search the NG archives. They too have often
treasured telling us about the importance of their scientific
"discoveries" that they asssure us will overturn the LN case. But oddly,
they seem to consider getting affirmation from us to be a much better use
of their time than focusing all their energies towards obtaining
validation from the law enforcement or the scientific communities.
...Kinda strange that. :-)
BT George
Oct 16, 2018, 7:50:49 PM10/16/18
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Ramon F Herrera
Oct 16, 2018, 7:52:37 PM10/16/18
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On 10/15/2018 7:05 PM, bigdog wrote:
> On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 9:07:28 AM UTC-4, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>> Mitch & BT George:
>>
>> I just came up with a better reply for the discontent duo. Let's begin
>> with the digitalization of the 3 X-rays.
>>
>> The following Notable Doctors are ready to co-sign the petition to the
>> Kennedys. You don't have to believe me. I am sure that if enough of us
>> request it, professor McAdams will be glad to be an intermediary and
>> forward any questions you may have to them.
>>
>> - Dr. Gary Aguilar
>> - Dr. Michael Chesser
>> - Dr. David Mantik
>> - Joseph Riley, PhD
>> - Dr. Randolph Robertson
>> - Dr. Cyril Wecht
>>
>
> IOW, the usual suspects.
Well, the only requirement (imposed for obvious reason by the father of
> On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 9:07:28 AM UTC-4, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>> Mitch & BT George:
>>
>> I just came up with a better reply for the discontent duo. Let's begin
>> with the digitalization of the 3 X-rays.
>>
>> The following Notable Doctors are ready to co-sign the petition to the
>> Kennedys. You don't have to believe me. I am sure that if enough of us
>> request it, professor McAdams will be glad to be an intermediary and
>> forward any questions you may have to them.
>>
>> - Dr. Gary Aguilar
>> - Dr. Michael Chesser
>> - Dr. David Mantik
>> - Joseph Riley, PhD
>> - Dr. Randolph Robertson
>> - Dr. Cyril Wecht
>>
>
> IOW, the usual suspects.
the initiative) was to have served in the HSCA FPP and/or having received
permission from the Kennedy family to handle the autopsy material. Who did
you expect? The three tenors?
As you may readily surmise I don't exactly hang out with Peter Cummings
and the other LN Notables Doctors. It was hard enough to get the contact
info of the above, through a guy who does detective work and used to hang
out at the "Education" forum.
One of the reasons was to prevent Dale Myers, "scientist" Sturdivan or the
Haags from butting in, offering their unconditional, satisfaction
guaranteed or your money back results.
Would you LN guys (since you sincerely believe in your cause and
specially in yourselves) approach Dr. Cummings?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhX1yiJ_8-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVo8-1-n078
Here's his contact info:
https://goo.gl/CAFQx5
I am pretty sure that he is not aware of the nasty things that I have
posting about Boston University. If he is, I can always disappear (which I
plan, anyway).
Okay, let's make it interesting (are there bookies around?). I propose
some categories about the response to the cordial, sincere invitation to
be a co-sponsor of the project, gifting a 3D model of the cranium to
America for immortality. He will end up in the history books.
Who wants to bet whether Dr. Cummings will:
(a) Accept the invitation immediately, no questions asked.
(b) Accept it, provided that the digital copies will only be made for
preservation purposes. No further scrutiny is necessary since he had the
last, definite word.
(c) Accept it begrudgingly, only after being pressured and ashamed by
his peers, specially in the medical community.
(d) Adamantly Refuse it (*):
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
(*) "Those tax returns of my dad are too complicated, they are yeah
high. America would never understand them."
- Donny Jr.
"Those files of Dale Myers are too complicated. America would never
understand them."
- David Emerling, high priest, keeper of the Myers temple in YouTube
Anthony Marsh
Oct 16, 2018, 8:04:25 PM10/16/18
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the time for movies.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 16, 2018, 8:04:53 PM10/16/18
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I told him.
Piotr Mancini
Oct 16, 2018, 8:18:35 PM10/16/18
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On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 7:04:37 PM UTC-5, bigdog wrote:
> When you create your 3D model of Dealey Plaza you will own it and will be
> free to make it free and open if that is your choice.
Wrong. That model will not be mine because it was never mine.
> When you create your 3D model of Dealey Plaza you will own it and will be
> free to make it free and open if that is your choice.
What part of
EVERY SINGLE FILE IS IMMEDIATELY PLACED IN A PUBLIC REPOSITORY
don't you get?
http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/
You cannot put the toothpaste back into the tube. The cat is out of the
bag.
Sun Microsystems had a great project to compete with MS Office, it was
called OpenOffice and hackers across the land contributed because Sun was
a good company with good people. When the evil Oracle took over OpenOffice
(much like FAUX buying O'Reilly and Geraldo for 30 pieces of silver) many
programmers made a *fork* of the code and set up shop elsewhere (*). They
stuck it to the man.
Oracle cried: "Really? Well, we may not own the code (The People do) but
we own the *name*"
So, I guess the only thing that freeloaders and smoochers like Dale Myers
will not be able to use is the name "Free Open Source 3D Model of Dealey
Plaza" but the rest EVERY SINGLE file is already owned by the Haags,
Sturdivan, Myers and others willing -like Boston University- to sell their
"guaranteed results or your money back" to the high bidder. Preferably
Sugar Daddy Koch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kci9eyCBfec&t=45s
["I've been well compensated"]
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
(*) There are tons of similar examples, which proves that we hackers are
great forkers.
GKnoll
Oct 17, 2018, 9:54:18 PM10/17/18
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Nothing you just said about me is true. Do you really think that I post
here to get "affirmation" from all of you? Hardly.
Do not take this as an invitation to startup our previous discussion, it
isn't. You asked me some questions and I answered you honestly. You just
did not like the answers.
GKnoll
Oct 17, 2018, 9:54:37 PM10/17/18
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On 10/16/2018 12:59 PM, BT George wrote:
stopped attacking me. Now why do you think that happened?
Mitch Todd
Oct 18, 2018, 2:34:49 PM10/18/18
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you don't seem to understand them. I've also never said that
you've claimed to be a scientist or researcher or the like.
For that matter, I'm also not a "Trampista" or a "Trumpista"
or whatever else you'd like to call it. And where did you get the
idea that I "applauded" a PBS NOVA documentary? If all you have
are puffy misreadings of what I've said, puffy misreadings of
what haven't said, empty-headed name calling based on political
associations I don't have, and baseless, erroneous assertions
as to my TV habits then you're not going to be impressing anyone
anytime soon.
All you've managed to do so far is further everyone else's notion
that you've trapped yourself in an imaginary world where you have
declared yourself to be "not only the best but the ONLY human
resource left to the JFK community, in the numerical aspect"
(and this after you've spat out all those proclamations of your
humility!)
BT George
Oct 18, 2018, 10:33:44 PM10/18/18
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what your manner of posting and concrete actions to prove your theories
*suggests*.
You claim you have found skips in the Dicatbelt and that Steve and Michael
O'Dell have stopped attacking you---you imply---because they have come to
agree that you are right and just won't admit it. Of course, while I
cannot speak for their motives, it could well be that you have simply
proved *impervious* to counter factuals to your beliefs. IMO your
responses to me showed just that. Imperviousness to the fact that other
forms of evidence have *invalidated* the very necessary *condition* as to
where the open mic had to be.
You also claim (or are clearly implying) that your demonstration will open
the case back up---presumably so the evidence of more than one shooter can
be revived. Now *all* these things (having a "smoking gun" special
theory, imperviousness to flaws in its logic, and claims or intimations
that your adversaries really "know" you are right and have stopped
responding because you silenced them) are *exactly* what Robert Harris has
made a career doing.
So I stand behind the fact that IMO, you are similar to Harris in those
regards. Which is why I placed you with him in telling Ramon how
incongrous his level of efforts to convince this group is, compared with
the apparent level of concrete efforts he is actually exerting to prove us
all wrong by getting outside *validation* from the law enforcement and/or
scientific communities. Are you up for that yet GKnoll, or do you plan to
continue to just try to convice "Lil' ole us"?
BT George
Oct 18, 2018, 10:37:19 PM10/18/18
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On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 8:54:18 PM UTC-5, GKnoll wrote:
might consist of, but in my view, telling painful truths certainly isn't
beyond the pale. And while my attitude isn't always as meek or humble as
it should be, I think it is fair to say that I have refrained from
gratuitous personal attacks with most people. (OK, I confess posters who
behave like a Robert Harris or display consistent zaniness like a Chris
MFT have tended to bring out the worst in me at times.)
At any rate, what I said was not to mock you, but to point out what
appears to me to be an odd pattern of behavior. But if you or Ramon want
to prove me wrong, you need only get actual *action* by someone outside a
newsgroup who can actually do something to validate your claims.
Mitch Todd
Oct 18, 2018, 10:38:30 PM10/18/18
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On 10/14/2018 8:37 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On 10/12/2018 7:31 AM, Mitch Todd wrote:
>> Oh, I'm still 'round and about. Just not always. And usenet has
>> been my normal haunt for JFK stuff since before alt.conspiracy.jfk
>> was carved out of a.c.jfk. Duncan's forum is the new gig.
>
> I have answered every single question asked, and then some. I believe in
> keeping you people informed: after all, what I am doing is not mine, it
> is yours.
I didn't say you didn't answer my questions, per se. I
> On 10/12/2018 7:31 AM, Mitch Todd wrote:
>> Oh, I'm still 'round and about. Just not always. And usenet has
>> been my normal haunt for JFK stuff since before alt.conspiracy.jfk
>> was carved out of a.c.jfk. Duncan's forum is the new gig.
>
> I have answered every single question asked, and then some. I believe in
> keeping you people informed: after all, what I am doing is not mine, it
> is yours.
said your that answers are regularly in the habit of not
actually answering the question. You've come up with a
direct, succinct answer when poked at enough about it,
but it takes quite a wade through the swamp to get to
the point. There are people out there who make a passtime
out of crafting answers that aren't designed to answer
a question, but to deflect attention away from the
question. Maybe you're one of them. I don't know. But
you've made it hard to rule that possibility out.
[...]
> What is the purpose of that post above, you ask?
>
> It is a response to Mitch Todd's demands. Look, Mitch: I can pretty much
> do whatever logical, reasonable action that The People demand from the
> Notable Doctors of the CT persuasion. That said, I doubt that they will
> be willing to perform that dancing exchange, just for your amusement. If
> you like dancing bears and a circus act, you have to talk to the
> Trumpsters.
>
> Other than that undulating dente-a-dente, what exactly do you want them
> to do? Just write it down, let's debate it.
>
> I will be happy to forward your request to them. The more signatures the
> better. In fact, rest assured that they will know about it. Is McAdams
> an acceptable witness?
The problem is, I tend to not associate "logical and
>
> It is a response to Mitch Todd's demands. Look, Mitch: I can pretty much
> do whatever logical, reasonable action that The People demand from the
> Notable Doctors of the CT persuasion. That said, I doubt that they will
> be willing to perform that dancing exchange, just for your amusement. If
> you like dancing bears and a circus act, you have to talk to the
> Trumpsters.
>
> Other than that undulating dente-a-dente, what exactly do you want them
> to do? Just write it down, let's debate it.
>
> I will be happy to forward your request to them. The more signatures the
> better. In fact, rest assured that they will know about it. Is McAdams
> an acceptable witness?
reasonable action" with folks who appoint themselves
as the voice of the people. Especially when those
self-appointed spokesmen tend to capitalize "The
People." I suspect that it's a common reaction.
Mark
Oct 19, 2018, 1:30:57 PM10/19/18
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posting under three names.
Mark
GKnoll
Oct 19, 2018, 2:49:06 PM10/19/18
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in this.
Here is a video that I made. I hear the words "try to determine" right
before the words "hold everything secure...". Now I am going to ask you,
do you hear those words, or if you do not hear those words exactly, do you
hear the word "determine"? If say you "Yes" you hear those words, then you
validate it. So you are a Christian, and I suppose you cannot lie, so I am
going to ask you, do you hear those words or something similiar? Do you
think that I am completely off my rocker with this interpretation of the
those words in the location that I say? You are a Christian remember when
you answer those questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kI508ML1Hk
bigdog
Oct 19, 2018, 8:07:47 PM10/19/18
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matter why would any of the doctors you listed care?
Ramon F Herrera
Oct 19, 2018, 8:10:11 PM10/19/18
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On 10/18/2018 1:34 PM, Mitch Todd wrote:
> And where did you get the
> idea that I "applauded" the PBS NOVA documentary?
> And where did you get the
Point well taken. As soon as you explain your views on that project,
including the fact that the ultimate owners of that fundamental laser
data are The People (*), and JFK Numbers made sure of that, I will
apologize if necessary.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
(*) On more that a sense PBS is a servant of the People, who are viewers
and taxpayers. They were not aware of that, had to be reminded and
chastised by somebody who is a Servant of the People (not necessarily its
voice).
ps: I am breaking down the thread into very specific, item-by-item parts
in order to avoid the strategy being the recipient of generic
condemnations.
Last example: "Random word generator": Care to take a position on that?
Ramon F Herrera
Oct 19, 2018, 8:10:44 PM10/19/18
to Mitch Todd
On 10/18/2018 1:34 PM, Mitch Todd wrote:
> I didn't say that you "ignore" scientific issues, I said that
> you don't seem to understand them.
Don't see much difference but will I go one better.
> you don't seem to understand them.
Not only am I a total a total ignorant of scientific matters, I do not
understand them and frankly I am way over my head. As opposed to people in
this NG and other forums I have done zero research for the simple reason:
I am not qualified.
Hence, I am calling on the only Authoritative Entities: MIT, Stanford,
Harvard, etc. to take their historic responsibility (much like JFK
Numbers had to remind PBS), to grab the *bull* by the horns and work
toward the clarification of the numerical aspect. You have avoided to
state your opinion about the content of this paragraph.
Let's try to separate your fire, which is not only welcome but invited
to Ramon Herrera from that against JFK Numbers. The difference has been
explained before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlR-kxbvdOY
Hint: Any confrontation against the latter will result in you losing, for
a very simple reason: by definition, JFK Numbers is indistinguishable from
The Truth, the Whole Truth and Nothing But The Truth.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Ramon F Herrera
Oct 19, 2018, 8:11:08 PM10/19/18
to Mitch Todd
On 10/12/2018 7:31 AM, Mitch Todd wrote:
> 3.) You seem to me to have little or no understanding of the
> ?????? various scientific and technical subjects underlying All
> ?????? These Wonderful Things. That seems to me to be something
> ?????? of a handicap.
>
For the sake of argument: that handicap actually happens to be the most
important, valuable contribution of Yours Truly (or anybody else for that
matter, in the *numbers* arena) toward the definite solution of the crime:
my sublime ignorance, my lack of understanding and my sincerity
broadcasting it.
That HUMILITY is gravely lacking and has prevented any progress.
The crime would have been solved years ago or would be well on its way,
numerically, if we didn't have so many self appointed or hired
"researchers", "scientists", "experts."
It is not Science until MIT is involved.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Anthony Marsh
Oct 19, 2018, 8:20:19 PM10/19/18
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It seeks to claim that his argument MUST be correct because no one has
offered any facts to disprove it.
In case you are interested in the acoustics, there are gaps in the
recordings So it it hard to tell exactly when the shots happened in
relationship to other events.
> cannot speak for their motives, it could well be that you have simply
> proved *impervious* to counter factuals to your beliefs. IMO your
They are right because they say they are right and arguing any point is
beneath their dignity.
"Who are these peasants to challenge the King."
Anthony Marsh
Oct 19, 2018, 8:20:51 PM10/19/18
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aliases, Tiny.
I might remind you that McAdams himself used an alias, but we knew who
he really was. It HAD to be either McAdams or Bigfoot.
> Mark
>
Anthony Marsh
Oct 19, 2018, 8:21:04 PM10/19/18
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Is that because you are British and liked the Boston Massacre?
Mark
Oct 20, 2018, 5:59:36 PM10/20/18
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I was making a point about his use of three names.
Mark
Anthony Marsh
Oct 21, 2018, 9:01:55 PM10/21/18
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John McAdams
Oct 21, 2018, 9:04:23 PM10/21/18
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On 21 Oct 2018 21:01:54 -0400, Anthony Marsh
accusing him of using an alias.
When somebody openly and overtly uses different names, he is not doing
anything untoward, and thus pointing that out is not harassment.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>McAdams says you're not allowed to point that out.
>
The point of the rule is to prevent one poster to harass another by
>
accusing him of using an alias.
When somebody openly and overtly uses different names, he is not doing
anything untoward, and thus pointing that out is not harassment.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Mark
Oct 22, 2018, 7:35:37 PM10/22/18
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won't have to use space on here with Tony's complaints. Happy now, Tony?
Mark
recip...@gmail.com
Oct 22, 2018, 7:35:48 PM10/22/18
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organization (maybe better described as an association of
smaller local operations) that operated throughout the
colonies. It's leadership was made of men who were already
prominent citizens. That's compared to one self-appointed
guy with an MIT fetish.
BT George
Oct 23, 2018, 11:12:37 AM10/23/18
to
tell you that what you say is there, actually is. I can only tell you
that it sounds at least like what you are saying is there *could* very
well be there.
Now before you think I am giving you and LN answer, understand that Steve
Barber came to both me and David Von Pein and asked if we could confirm if
I could hear the words "In an effort to try to determine" on Channel 2.
David was not able to make that out and I could not even after several
tries. Therefore, I will *never* just tell someone what they want to
hear.
Now I am going to say/repeat this as clearly as I know how:
1) You should not be interested in getting validation from me or anyone
else in this NG if you are convinced you are right. Instead you need
to focus on getting an outside party who can do something about it
interested, and see if they can confirm your claims.
2) I do not believe your effort will be useful in any event. Simply put,
you have not just to convince someone there are skips in the
Dicatabelt, but to convince them it *matters*. This is because Dale
Myers synchronization proved beyond any reasonable doubt that there was
*no* police microphone is place to capture the relevant sounds in
Dealey Plaza. So even if the Dictabelt skipped 1,000 times and
contained every word you say, those words could *not* have been picked
up in Dealey Plaza *during* the assassination.
You may take or leave that advice, but you have been told in 100% honesty
what I think.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 23, 2018, 11:22:09 AM10/23/18
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they are using aliases, you delete MY message saying it is harassment.
When I suggest a better alias for them you delete my messages.
ONLY mine, never theirs.
> .John
> -----------------------
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>
Ramon F Herrera
Oct 23, 2018, 4:56:55 PM10/23/18
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On 10/22/2018 6:35 PM, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
> Its leadership was made of men who were already
Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Oxford, etc?
Calling it "fetish" says a lot more more about you than about MIT or
myself.
MIT happens to be the undisputed leader in numerical field and I happen
to be a former member of the vibrant MIT community, with ties that last
a lifetime.
Respect to self appointed, guilty as charged, Your Honor. Additionally,
read below.
It is not my fault that you conservatives need permission from your
mommy to go pee-pee.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Freedom is not begged, requested or even demanded. It is declared.
Not coincidentally, the same applies to Leadership.
> Its leadership was made of men who were already
> prominent citizens. That's compared to one self-appointed
> guy with an MIT fetish.
>
Shouldn't everybody who respects science have a "fetish" with MIT,
> guy with an MIT fetish.
>
Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Oxford, etc?
Calling it "fetish" says a lot more more about you than about MIT or
myself.
MIT happens to be the undisputed leader in numerical field and I happen
to be a former member of the vibrant MIT community, with ties that last
a lifetime.
Respect to self appointed, guilty as charged, Your Honor. Additionally,
read below.
It is not my fault that you conservatives need permission from your
mommy to go pee-pee.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Freedom is not begged, requested or even demanded. It is declared.
Not coincidentally, the same applies to Leadership.
Ramon F Herrera
Oct 23, 2018, 4:57:49 PM10/23/18
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On 10/22/2018 6:35 PM, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
> It's leadership was made of men who were already
> prominent citizens.
Had you LN/righties people been alive those days, we would be speaking
> prominent citizens.
.... err, hm, I mean...
English but with a pretentious accent.
I did not ask for permission from anybody to hack the website of the
National Archives, risking prison and give the 319,106 records to its
rightful owners, The People.
http://www.jfknumbers.org/nara-collection/ (*)
Or to contact and corral the Notable Doctors, despite their serious
differences.
Or to create the most accurate, detailed model of the Plaza known to
man, machine or beast.
Carlos Arredondo, the Latino who rescued dozens after the Boston tragedy
did not have to be "prominent" or even "citizen".
http://mentalfloss.com/article/50138/look-helpers-10-heroes-boston-marathon-tragedy
It is not my fault that you righties have to ask permission from your
mommy to go pee pee.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
"Any job worth doing is worth doing well"
(*) T-Rex just informed me that I was right all along. Since 2015 I have
been shouting from the rooftops (except those from where I have blocked:
JFK Facts being the worst offender) a very simple fact: there are more
than 6,300 records which -according to the NARA own site, of which I made
a perfect clone- are marked as "Postponed in Full" and yet they have not
been acknowledge in any of the FOIAs.
"Ramon, SPEAKING OF WHICH, this particular project may be near and dear to
your heart, so if you want to help make this one a reality, I would be
very happy. It relates to those 6300+ "Postponed in Full" which didn't
show up in the 2016 FOIA listing of records planned for release. I had
inquired about these with NARA, and was told [...] This will be a good
story for Nov 22"
-T-Rex Bradford.
John McAdams
Oct 23, 2018, 5:00:36 PM10/23/18
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On 23 Oct 2018 16:57:48 -0400, Ramon F Herrera <ra...@jfknumbers.org>
wrote:
>On 10/22/2018 6:35 PM, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
>> It's leadership was made of men who were already
>> prominent citizens.
>
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
wrote:
>On 10/22/2018 6:35 PM, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
>> It's leadership was made of men who were already
>> prominent citizens.
>
>-Ramon
>JFK Numbers
>
>"Any job worth doing is worth doing well"
>
Corollary: if it's not worth doing, it's not worth doing well.
>JFK Numbers
>
>"Any job worth doing is worth doing well"
>
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
GKnoll
Oct 23, 2018, 9:53:29 PM10/23/18
to
are ripe for one of my most detested words, "disingenuous". I hate that
word, but unfortunately, it is the best word that characterizes what
mostly goes on in these forums.
Having said that, "disingenuous" is not a word I would apply to your
comments in this forum. I have never seen that from you when you are
replying to others or myself.
As I have told you before, Dale Myers synchronization is not a problem for
me.
Jason Burke
Oct 24, 2018, 9:57:56 PM10/24/18
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On 10/23/2018 1:56 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On 10/22/2018 6:35 PM, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Its leadership was made of men who were already
>> prominent citizens. That's compared to one self-appointed
>> guy with an MIT fetish.
>>
>
> Shouldn't everybody who respects science have a "fetish" with MIT,
> Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Oxford, etc?
>
> Calling it "fetish" says a lot more more about you than about MIT or
> myself.
>
> MIT happens to be the undisputed leader in numerical field and I happen
> to be a former member of the vibrant MIT community, with ties that last
> a lifetime.
Yet, of course, never actually, you know, enrolled.
> On 10/22/2018 6:35 PM, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Its leadership was made of men who were already
>> prominent citizens. That's compared to one self-appointed
>> guy with an MIT fetish.
>>
>
> Shouldn't everybody who respects science have a "fetish" with MIT,
> Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Oxford, etc?
>
> Calling it "fetish" says a lot more more about you than about MIT or
> myself.
>
> MIT happens to be the undisputed leader in numerical field and I happen
> to be a former member of the vibrant MIT community, with ties that last
> a lifetime.
Lemme guess. You turned down MIT to go to Blueberry State. Or maybe
Wassa Matta U.
Ramon F Herrera
Oct 24, 2018, 10:14:31 PM10/24/18
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journalism, history, law (*) will view it that way. Their homes -and
livelihood- are being devastated by current events as illustrated here:
http://www.jfknumbers.org/~ramon/jfk/Took-the-Science-Seriously.png
Those of us who have taken formal logic would say:
"Any job not worth doing, is worth not doing at all"
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
(*) Morley, Newman, Schnapf
bigdog
Oct 24, 2018, 10:18:29 PM10/24/18
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History Channel's presentation of the Sons of Liberty. That was a program
that could have been so good and was instead so bad. For starters, the
central character was Sam Adams who at the time was middle aged man with a
paunch. They turned him into a lean and mean 30-something action hero. The
antagonist was General Gage whom they portrayed as a one dimensional
brute. He was anything but. In fact his subordinate officers thought his
governance was too lenient toward the colonists. In addition, the British
did not throw colonists out of their homes and take them over as this
program showed General Gage doing with John Hancock. The Quartering Act of
1765 allowed the British to be quartered in vacant barns and houses but no
in residences of the citizens. They also paid rent to the owners of the
properties when this was done.
Naturally any dramatization of a historical event is going to use some
dramatic license but when they completely stray from the reality, they
lose me as this presentation did. I could only stand to watch the first
two episodes before I tuned it out. Of course straying from the reality
has been one of the major criticism's of Oliver Stone's JFK.
BT George
Oct 24, 2018, 10:31:28 PM10/24/18
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Anthony Marsh
Oct 25, 2018, 9:41:44 AM10/25/18
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our freedom.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 25, 2018, 9:41:59 AM10/25/18
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On 10/23/2018 5:00 PM, John McAdams wrote:
> On 23 Oct 2018 16:57:48 -0400, Ramon F Herrera <ra...@jfknumbers.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/22/2018 6:35 PM, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> It's leadership was made of men who were already
>>> prominent citizens.
>>
>> -Ramon
>> JFK Numbers
>>
>> "Any job worth doing is worth doing well"
>>
>
> Corollary: if it's not worth doing, it's not worth doing well.
>
How dare you use a corollary here!
> On 23 Oct 2018 16:57:48 -0400, Ramon F Herrera <ra...@jfknumbers.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/22/2018 6:35 PM, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> It's leadership was made of men who were already
>>> prominent citizens.
>>
>> -Ramon
>> JFK Numbers
>>
>> "Any job worth doing is worth doing well"
>>
>
> Corollary: if it's not worth doing, it's not worth doing well.
>
What are you, educated or something?
You'd be kicked out of a Trump rally.
> .John
> -----------------------
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>
Ramon F Herrera
Oct 25, 2018, 9:41:39 PM10/25/18
to Anthony Marsh
On 10/24/2018 8:57 PM, Jason Burke wrote:
> On 10/23/2018 1:56 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>> On 10/22/2018 6:35 PM, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Its leadership was made of men who were already
>>> prominent citizens. That's compared to one self-appointed
>>> guy with an MIT fetish.
>>>
>>
>> Shouldn't everybody who respects science have a "fetish" with MIT,
>> Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Oxford, etc?
>>
>> Calling it "fetish" says a lot more more about you than about MIT or
>> myself.
>>
>> MIT happens to be the undisputed leader in numerical field and I
>> happen to be a former member of the vibrant MIT community, with ties
>> that last a lifetime.
>
> Yet, of course, never actually, you know, enrolled.
> Lemme guess. You turned down MIT [...]
> On 10/23/2018 1:56 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>> On 10/22/2018 6:35 PM, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Its leadership was made of men who were already
>>> prominent citizens. That's compared to one self-appointed
>>> guy with an MIT fetish.
>>>
>>
>> Shouldn't everybody who respects science have a "fetish" with MIT,
>> Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Oxford, etc?
>>
>> Calling it "fetish" says a lot more more about you than about MIT or
>> myself.
>>
>> MIT happens to be the undisputed leader in numerical field and I
>> happen to be a former member of the vibrant MIT community, with ties
>> that last a lifetime.
>
> Yet, of course, never actually, you know, enrolled.
>
>>
That fact has been abundantly clarified. As you may have noticed, I have
a videoclip for every occasion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1vAdyLFtm0
One of the reasons that I did not go to MIT was the fact that I already
had two engineering degrees, from a school in the Show-Me State, known
as "The Conservative's Response to Harvard" (*) It had its advantages
and interesting things:
- Every four years they manage to land a presidential debate. Being in
the center of the country helps, as well as having one of the largest
university endowments.
- The head of my Economics Dept. (almost got a 3rd. degree in Econ)
was Murray Weidenbaum, Chief of Economics Advisors to the Reagan White
House. That is how I get to kick the asset of Clav and other so called
"economic conservatives" who have no clue about capitalism, competition
and free markets, much as their Massa in the WH.
- The Danforth family (of Purina and Daniel Danforth Quayle fame) were
the Alpha males. John (lawyer, pastor, Senator) and bother William (MD).
When Reagan died John Danforth was the pastor invited to preside.
You have to catch up, LNutters. You are not trying hard enough. Here's
some material used by your predecessors, The Deplorables, in the heavily
populated anti-Ramon club:
- "Oh, here comes the president of Harvard! LMAO"
- "Mr. Copy-and-Paste shows up again..."
- "Tell us again how you invented the Internet. Al Gore must be pissed
at you."
- "Ramon keeps on saying that he was in charge of servers at MIT. He
was actually a server, in the student cafeteria. LOL"
- "Ah, another beneficiary of Affirmative Action!"
I am sure I have several more but my automatic debater is resting.
Get on with the program, people!!
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
(*) I had the misfortune of studying there, the university in America with
the lowest percentage of Black students. I could witness the
discrimination with my own eyes. The professors had a group of "favorites"
(guess the ethnicity). I was really disappointed at America, little did I
know that a few months later, I would land a job at The Institute, which I
am fond of calling "My Adoptive Alma Mater". There is between little to
zero racism there, a proud Elitist Meritocracy. That -and other obvious
reasons- is why MIT is the most Authoritative Entity for the JFK Numbers
task.
Jason Burke
Oct 26, 2018, 9:09:22 PM10/26/18
to
On 10/25/2018 6:41 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On 10/24/2018 8:57 PM, Jason Burke wrote:
>> On 10/23/2018 1:56 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>> On 10/22/2018 6:35 PM, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Its leadership was made of men who were already
>>>> prominent citizens. That's compared to one self-appointed
>>>> guy with an MIT fetish.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Shouldn't everybody who respects science have a "fetish" with MIT,
>>> Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Oxford, etc?
>>>
>>> Calling it "fetish" says a lot more more about you than about MIT or
>>> myself.
>>>
>>> MIT happens to be the undisputed leader in numerical field and I
>>> happen to be a former member of the vibrant MIT community, with ties
>>> that last a lifetime.
>>
>
>> Yet, of course, never actually, you know, enrolled.
>> Lemme guess. You turned down MIT [...]
Uh, you trimmed some stuff, uh, Piotr...
> On 10/24/2018 8:57 PM, Jason Burke wrote:
>> On 10/23/2018 1:56 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>> On 10/22/2018 6:35 PM, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Its leadership was made of men who were already
>>>> prominent citizens. That's compared to one self-appointed
>>>> guy with an MIT fetish.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Shouldn't everybody who respects science have a "fetish" with MIT,
>>> Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Oxford, etc?
>>>
>>> Calling it "fetish" says a lot more more about you than about MIT or
>>> myself.
>>>
>>> MIT happens to be the undisputed leader in numerical field and I
>>> happen to be a former member of the vibrant MIT community, with ties
>>> that last a lifetime.
>>
>
>> Yet, of course, never actually, you know, enrolled.
>> Lemme guess. You turned down MIT [...]
>
> - "Ah, another beneficiary of Affirmative Action!"
>
> I am sure I have several more but my automatic debater is resting.
>
> Get on with the program, people!!
>
> -Ramon
> JFK Numbers
>
> (*) I had the misfortune of studying there, the university in America
> with the lowest percentage of Black students. I could witness the
> discrimination with my own eyes. The professors had a group of
> "favorites" (guess the ethnicity). I was really disappointed at America,
> little did I know that a few months later, I would land a job at The
> Institute, which I am fond of calling "My Adoptive Alma Mater". There is
> between little to zero racism there, a proud Elitist Meritocracy. That
> -and other obvious reasons- is why MIT is the most Authoritative Entity
> for the JFK Numbers task.
>
>
bigdog
Oct 26, 2018, 9:19:00 PM10/26/18
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Mitch Todd
Oct 27, 2018, 4:32:36 PM10/27/18
to
On 10/23/2018 3:56 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On 10/22/2018 6:35 PM, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Its leadership was made of men who were already
>> prominent citizens. That's compared to one self-appointed
>> guy with an MIT fetish.
>>
>
> Shouldn't everybody who respects science have a "fetish" with MIT,
> Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Oxford, etc?
"Fetish" is thus defined by Mirriam Webster:
> On 10/22/2018 6:35 PM, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Its leadership was made of men who were already
>> prominent citizens. That's compared to one self-appointed
>> guy with an MIT fetish.
>>
>
> Shouldn't everybody who respects science have a "fetish" with MIT,
> Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Oxford, etc?
1a: an object (such as a small stone carving of an animal)
believed to have magical power to protect or aid its
owner broadly: a material object regarded with
superstitious or extravagant trust or reverence
b: an object of irrational reverence or obsessive devotion
c: an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence
is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and
that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may
interfere with complete sexual expression
2: FIXATION
3: a rite or cult of fetish worshippers
It should be self-evident that none of those definitions are
congruent by any rational definition of science. And, it's
the science that matters, not the institution.
>Calling it "fetish" says a lot more more about you than about MIT or
>myself.
is involved," you have an MIT fetish. To have it your
way, Newton, Copernicus, Kepler, Harvey, Leibnitz,
Lavoisier, Maxwell, Darwin, Volta, du Fay, Davy, et al
weren't actually scientists until MIT was founded in
1861. That's quite a stretch, to say the least.
> MIT happens to be the undisputed leader in numerical field and I happen
> to be a former member of the vibrant MIT community, with ties that last
> a lifetime.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 28, 2018, 3:25:37 PM10/28/18
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You don't like when it's turned back on you I guess.
Ramon F Herrera
Oct 29, 2018, 11:24:36 AM10/29/18
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On 10/18/2018 1:34 PM, Mitch Todd wrote:
> All you've managed to do so far is further everyone else's notion
> that you've trapped yourself in an imaginary world where you have
> declared yourself to be "not only the best but the ONLY human
> resource left to the JFK community, in the numerical aspect"
> (and this after you've spat out all those proclamations of your
> humility!)
I dare you to find *one* counterexample. Just one will do and I will
> All you've managed to do so far is further everyone else's notion
> that you've trapped yourself in an imaginary world where you have
> declared yourself to be "not only the best but the ONLY human
> resource left to the JFK community, in the numerical aspect"
> (and this after you've spat out all those proclamations of your
> humility!)
stand corrected.
Check with Arthur Snyder, Tim Nicholson, John Costella and Pat Speer as
good examples.
Interestingly enough David Lifton is an *engineer* by training and yet
is chasing some crap about "the last witness" that him and only him has
tracked down. He has all but ignored the numerical aspect. Marina is
pissed against the JFK community, refused our invitation to come to
Houston, because of Lifton.
Want me to post the multiple e-mails begging then to continue their
work? I even suggested:
"Hey, at least post a link in your sites saying something like: 'These
folks are involved in the numerical aspect, they are picking up where we
stopped' or words chosen by you"
Reply: Nothing. They are dead as far as activism is related. Aussie John
mentioned his age after whining: "Why does a TV station (PBS) have to be
involved, in Australia is different." He mentioned that the thickness of
the asphalt in Elm Street would make impossible to reach any conclusion.
Right, like that shitty "obstacle" is going to stop me or the MIT at al.
geniuses.
Next, you may want to declare that these two lawyers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH_r1uDCa88&t=143s
actually have a clue about Physics and creation of 3D models and
therefore we should respect their "leading edge" research and "definite
solution" (their words) of the SBT/MBT. [Their files are *proprietary*
and *confidential*]
Oh, they have a paywall:
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/capamocktrial
Oh, speaking of imaginary:
- The most advanced study of the Plaza was done in 2013 by PBS Nova
and the Haags, etc.
- The creators of the 3D models decided that they would not donate
their raw files to 319,999,999 people. One was chosen. No, it was not a
lottery.
Which of the two statements is imaginary?
Read my post: "Who Else is Working on the Numerical Aspect?"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.assassination.jfk/neriYsKaBok/8BPnnRTZCQAJ
Find ONE person working on the numbers and I will immediately join them
and invite them to join my efforts. Good luck, I have spent 3-4 years
looking.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
ps: I guess that you still don't know that
- Being a humble servant of The People
- Daring to Speak Truth to Power
are inseparable.
Ramon F Herrera
Oct 29, 2018, 11:25:03 AM10/29/18
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Mantik with the comment:
http://www.jfknumbers.org/~ramon/jfk/The-Great-Ones.png
"Notice that there is only one American"
Oh, back to your silly accusation: My automated debater is getting tired
of working overtime. See response below.
FROM 1964 going forward, it is not science until MIT is involved.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
How come most arguments from Conservatives necessitate Time Travel?
Mitch Todd
Nov 22, 2018, 5:19:09 PM11/22/18
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That being said, science that worries about
pedigree is not science.
> Oh, back to your silly accusation: My automated debater is getting tired
> of working overtime. See response below.
>
> FROM 1964 going forward, it is not science until MIT is involved.
>
> -Ramon
> JFK Numbers
>
> How come most arguments from Conservatives necessitate Time Travel?
science and some poor sap brainlessly repeating someone else's
catchphrase.
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