Bugliosi Dead

[John McAdams]

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Vincent-Bugliosi-Dies-at-80-306583811.html

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

[Spence]

RIP Vince, your books were great.

[magoos...@msn.com]

"Known for prosecuting Charles Manson, Bugiosi went on to write or co-write a dozen novels."

Not to mention his biggest piece of fiction: "Reclaiming History."

Squinty Magoo

[Peter Makres]

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 8:57:01 AM UTC-4, John McAdams wrote:

I just learned of it....I wasn't aware he was ill.

[bigdog]

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 8:57:01 AM UTC-4, John McAdams wrote:

Sad news, but with his health situation, it was a matter of time. He live
a good long life and served his country well.

[Ralph Cinque]

Bugliosi wrote a fabulous book, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for
Murder, concerning the illegal and disastrous US invasion of Iraq which
got over a million people killed.

[David Von Pein]

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=21979

[Mike]

Since Johm McAdams set the tone of no respect for the recently dead, let
just say that Vincent-Buliosi was a good zionist. There is absolutely no
mention of JFK's opposition to Israels nuclear weapons program in the
entirety of his book long book "Reclaiming History". A reader of his book
would never have been made aware of this very significant event, which may
indeed, have been the cause for JFK's assassination.

[tom...@cox.net]

John McAdams <john.m...@marquette.edu> wrote:
> http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Vincent-Bugliosi-Dies-at-80-30658
> 3811.html
>
> .John
> -----------------------
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
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[Allan G. Johnson]

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 8:57:01 AM UTC-4, John McAdams wrote:

Passionate, relentless, intelligent and correct. Gone in body but not
in spirit and inspiration. A man that will leave a true legacy.

[Mike]

On 6/9/2015 5:57 PM, Mike wrote:
> On 6/9/2015 7:56 AM, John McAdams wrote:
>>

> Since Johm McAdams set the tone of no respect for the recently dead, let
> just say that Vincent-Buliosi was a good zionist. There is absolutely no
> mention of JFK's opposition to Israels nuclear weapons program in the
> entirety of his book long book "Reclaiming History". A reader of his
> book would never have been made aware of this very significant event,
> which may indeed, have been the cause for JFK's assassination.
>
>

Here is a statement that Gary Mack made of V. Bugliosi's book "Reclaiming
History"..

?No book will ever put to rest the belief that there was a conspiracy to
kill President Kennedy,? Mack said at the time. ?What this book and others
like it will do is provide a resource to discover answers. I often suggest
to people that part of finding out what happened to President Kennedy is
learning what did not happen. My responsibility is to know all sides of
these issues. And the beauty of Vince?s book is that he has given people a
place to go, a place to start when they have a question.?


But, as I say, no where in "Reclaiming History" is there any mention of
JFK's opposition to Israel possessing nuclear weapons. The fact that this
is missing from his book is extraordinary. Why? Because it is related to
the entire Cuban Missile Crisis scenario. JFK removing missiles from
Turkey in return for USSR removing missiles from Cuba. To the USSR,
nuclear weapons in Israel was not different than nuclear missiles in
Turkey. The Soviet Union and Israel were bitter enemies at the time.

So Gary Mack is wrong. "Reclaiming History" is not a resource to discover
answers. Arguably, the most significant power struggle in the history of
man kind was acting out between the USSR, Cuba, Israel and JFK was killed
because of it and not a hint in the book "Reclaiming History".

As I said, Bugliosi did his job. No reader of his book would be alerted to
these events.

[claviger]

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 7:57:01 AM UTC-5, John McAdams wrote:

Bugliosi was a modern Gulliver among Liliputians in his study and analysis
of the Kennedy assassination. He exposed the totality of CT mythology
with basic logic and meticulous research.

[Mike]

On 6/10/2015 3:23 PM, Mike wrote:
> On 6/9/2015 5:57 PM, Mike wrote:
>> On 6/9/2015 7:56 AM, John McAdams wrote:
>>>

>> Since Johm McAdams set the tone of no respect for the recently dead, let
>> just say that Vincent-Buliosi was a good zionist. There is absolutely no
>> mention of JFK's opposition to Israels nuclear weapons program in the
>> entirety of his book long book "Reclaiming History". A reader of his
>> book would never have been made aware of this very significant event,
>> which may indeed, have been the cause for JFK's assassination.
>>
>>
>
> Here is a statement that Gary Mack made of V. Bugliosi's book
> "Reclaiming History"..
>

> “No book will ever put to rest the belief that there was a conspiracy to
> kill President Kennedy,” Mack said at the time. “What this book and

> others like it will do is provide a resource to discover answers. I
> often suggest to people that part of finding out what happened to
> President Kennedy is learning what did not happen. My responsibility is

> to know all sides of these issues. And the beauty of Vince’s book is

> that he has given people a place to go, a place to start when they have

> a question.”

>
>
> But, as I say, no where in "Reclaiming History" is there any mention of
> JFK's opposition to Israel possessing nuclear weapons. The fact that
> this is missing from his book is extraordinary. Why? Because it is
> related to the entire Cuban Missile Crisis scenario. JFK removing
> missiles from Turkey in return for USSR removing missiles from Cuba. To
> the USSR, nuclear weapons in Israel was not different than nuclear
> missiles in Turkey. The Soviet Union and Israel were bitter enemies at
> the time.
>
> So Gary Mack is wrong. "Reclaiming History" is not a resource to
> discover answers. Arguably, the most significant power struggle in the
> history of man kind was acting out between the USSR, Cuba, Israel and
> JFK was killed because of it and not a hint in the book "Reclaiming
> History".
>
> As I said, Bugliosi did his job. No reader of his book would be alerted
> to these events.
>
>
>

I bet that there is no mention , at all , of NSAM 231 in Bugliosi's
"Reclaiming History".



Bugliosi's book "Reclaiming History" is the poster child for the phrase
"history is written by the victors". (Hint: JFK (and his mideast policy
as described by NSAM 231 ) was not the victor. Today Israel has over 200
nuclear weapons.

Link to NSAM 231

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/National_Security_Action_Memorandum_Number_231.jpg

[Jason Burke]

Sure, Mike. It was Da Joos.

[Sandy McCroskey]

On 6/10/15 8:57 PM, Mike wrote:
> On 6/9/2015 7:56 AM, John McAdams wrote:
>>
>> http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Vincent-Bugliosi-Dies-at-80-306583811.html
>>
>>
>> .John
>> -----------------------
>> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>>
>
> Since Johm McAdams set the tone of no respect for the recently dead, let
> just say that Vincent-Buliosi was a good zionist. There is absolutely no
> mention of JFK's opposition to Israels nuclear weapons program in the
> entirety of his book long book "Reclaiming History".

HA HA HA

> A reader of his
> book would never have been made aware of this very significant event,
> which may indeed, have been the cause for JFK's assassination.
>
>
>

Gee, Mike, that's interesting.
You got any *evidence* for it?

[Peter Makres]

And just where are you getting this "Since John McAdams set the tone of
disrespect for the recently dead" garbage from?

[BT George]

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 7:57:01 AM UTC-5, John McAdams wrote:

While I strongly disagreed with many of Vince's views on religion
(Christianity in particular) and some of his politics (in many areas he
was pretty far left), he was man of great talent, intellect, and
conviction. He was also one of the best writers and speakers around. The
LN community will forever be in debt for his contributions in defending
and presenting the case for LHO acting alone as the true version of
history. His book Reclaiming History, while probably too long for the
average reader's patience, was a classic and will remain the LN "go to"
book on just about every aspect of this case.

BT George

[Mark OBLAZNEY]

I used to mix him up with Giuliani. RIP, Vince.

[Anthony Marsh]

Yes, he personally caused millions of people to think it was a conspiracy.
Thanks, Vince.

[Anthony Marsh]

Oh, so that's why McAdams hates him. Because he's a Liberal Democrat.

[Mike]

Ask McAdams. He knows what I am talking about.

[Bud]

I don`t see how you can lay the stupidity of some people at his feet.

[OHLeeRedux]

Anthony Marsh
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What was a conspiracy? What in God's holy name are you blathering about?

[Jason Burke]

Nah. Why don't YOU tell us, Mike.

[Anthony Marsh]

No one knows what you are talking about.
You always stay deliberately vague so that you can never be pinned down
and asked to prove anything.

[Anthony Marsh]

The JFK assassination. Try to pay attention.

[Anthony Marsh]

Whose stupidity? I wasn't talking only about the millions of people who
believed it was a conspiracy before he wrote his book. But then his book
proved to millions more that it was a conspiracy.

[Sandy McCroskey]

Why do you think anybody would believe that is true?
How can you back it up?
Just more hot Marsh air.

[Bud]

On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 11:19:29 AM UTC-4, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 6/13/2015 6:23 PM, Bud wrote:
> > On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 3:13:32 PM UTC-4, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> >> On 6/10/2015 10:47 PM, Allan G. Johnson wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 8:57:01 AM UTC-4, John McAdams wrote:
> >>>> http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Vincent-Bugliosi-Dies-at-80-306583811.html
> >>>>
> >>>> .John
> >>>> -----------------------
> >>>> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
> >>>
> >>> Passionate, relentless, intelligent and correct. Gone in body but not
> >>> in spirit and inspiration. A man that will leave a true legacy.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, he personally caused millions of people to think it was a conspiracy.
> >> Thanks, Vince.
> >
> > I don`t see how you can lay the stupidity of some people at his feet.
> >
> >
>
>
> Whose stupidity?

The millions of people you were talking about.

>I wasn't talking only about the millions of people who
> believed it was a conspiracy before he wrote his book.

You can differentiate if you like. I wasn`t.

> But then his book
> proved to millions more that it was a conspiracy.

Like almost everything you say this isn`t true, but even if it was we
would still only be talking about stupid people. Who cares what stupid
people think?

[Mark Florio]

No. IMO, if a person with a casual knowledge of the assassination and the
theories had read Bugliosi's book, he would have come away thinking, "How
in the hell did I ever believe any of those conspiracy theories." Mark

[BOZ]

When is the ROZZ going to charge Felix Leiter and Charles Calthrop?

[Anthony Marsh]

Fine. So you think that 81% of the public are stupid because you are
part of the 1% elite who are smart enough to run this country and
enslave the 99%.

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

I've only read large sections of the googlebook version of his book but it
seems to me what he does better than prove Oswald shot JFK is prove that
these other explanations simply aren't viable.

I think the more prominent CTers are more angry about the latter than the
former. That is, they are upset not that he says Oswald killed JFK but
that these other forces simply didn't conspire to do it.

For them, the assassination shows how this secret group of evil forces,
esp. the CIA, really hijacked the country that day. And have been driving
it ever since.

Bugliosi upsets their entire view of how the world works. It's one thing
to say Oswald killed JFK; it's another to say everything they believe
about how the US runs is simply false.

[Anthony Marsh]

Polls.

>
>

[Sandy McCroskey]

So easy for you to say that.
Downright impossible for you to back it up.

Put the link right here, Marsh:
_________________________________________


/sm

[OHLeeRedux]

Anthony Marsh
- show quoted text -
Polls.

>
>


What do Polish people have to do with it?

[Bud]

I think anyone who believes anything you write is stupid also.

[Anthony Marsh]

He's simply lied about what conspiracy writers have said.
And you endorse that tactic. Just accuse all of them of believing in
UFOs. Whatever lie works.

> I think the more prominent CTers are more angry about the latter than the
> former. That is, they are upset not that he says Oswald killed JFK but
> that these other forces simply didn't conspire to do it.
>

Not sure what you mean? You think it's ok to lie as long and it's to
support the government position? If the WC said it was a conspiracy then
you'd be arguing for that position.

> For them, the assassination shows how this secret group of evil forces,
> esp. the CIA, really hijacked the country that day. And have been driving
> it ever since.
>

Doesn't have to be the CIA. They just do the bidding of whichever group
is in power. They have no morals.

> Bugliosi upsets their entire view of how the world works. It's one thing
> to say Oswald killed JFK; it's another to say everything they believe
> about how the US runs is simply false.
>

He confirmed our wildest theories.

>
>
>

[Anthony Marsh]

No. Those are not the people I am talking about. Not your 1% ruling
elite. I am talking about the millions of Americans who read his book
and realized that he was lying. THAT is what makes them think it was a
conspiracy. His lying.

[Anthony Marsh]

So you think I lied about the Zapruder film being authentic?

[Mark Florio]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you seriously believe only
1% of Americans have casual knowledge of the assassination? That the
remaining 99% are close students of the assassination? And how do you
know that the millions who read his book believed he lied? Mark

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

Thanks for making my point.

[Peter Makres]

Ditto....let's hear it, Mike.

[Sandy McCroskey]

Of course not. And if you said, "The earth is not flat," we would
believe that too.
But we knew both of those things before you came along.

/sm

[Anthony Marsh]

No, the 1% ruling elite. I said RULING ELITE? Can't you read English?

> remaining 99% are close students of the assassination? And how do you

Never said that. You can call them casual observers of morons or
whatever you elite say.

> know that the millions who read his book believed he lied? Mark
>

I didn't say who knew he lied.

[Bud]

That would need to be substantiated by a trustworthy source, your saying
so adds no validity to the idea.

[Anthony Marsh]

What? My article was verified by Roland Zavada.

[Bud]

I didn`t say that there weren`t people who added validity to an idea by
weighing in on it. I just pointed out that you weren`t one of them.

[bigdog]

Tony, it's said that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I have
often used almost these very same words to describe your rhetorical
tactics, particularly the term "deliberately vague".

Thank you for the compliment.

[bigdog]

I'm glad I read your post first. I almost asked the same question. :)

[Mark Florio]

Sometimes not the way you write it.

> > remaining 99% are close students of the assassination? And how do you
>
> Never said that. You can call them casual observers of morons or
> whatever you elite say.

So now I'm part of your "elite". How do you know that?

> > know that the millions who read his book believed he lied? Mark
> >
>
>
> I didn't say who knew he lied.

What? Mark

[Anthony Marsh]

I was the first.

[OHLeeRedux]

Anthony Marsh
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No you weren't.

[Bud]

Doesn`t impact what I wrote.

[Anthony Marsh]

Your knee-jerk defense of the WC.

[Anthony Marsh]

Is that a Polish joke?

[Anthony Marsh]

Yes, it does. I didn't just weigh in later.
I started it. I broke the news. I made the discovery.
You just can't acknowledge any single little fact.
You must always make personal attacks.

[Anthony Marsh]

Yes, I was.

Proof that the Zapruder film is authentic - Anthony Marsh, July 26, 1998

Beat that date. I predict that you will slink away.

[OHLeeRedux]

My father proved it on July 16, 1974. He worked for the CIA. I have the
secret files hidden someplace where nobody can get to them.

Secret Service agents used to hang out at our house. They let me drive the
presidential limo one time and I got it stuck in the mud.

I studied Latin and logic in Kindergarten. I give away my Meals on Wheels
to the homeless. I don't take the bus because taxi drivers give me rides
for free.

Shall I continue?

[Bud]

It`s about credibility, not chronology.

> I started it. I broke the news. I made the discovery.
> You just can't acknowledge any single little fact.
> You must always make personal attacks.

You must deserve them.

[Anthony Marsh]

You should desist from making up phony stories.

[bigdog]

Was that before or after you proved the earth wasn't flat?

[OHLeeRedux]

Irony alert!

[Anthony Marsh]

Well, I'm batting 100 on my predictions.