Rybka And The Secret Service
David Von Pein
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/2e007979d8d7272f
>>> "What an outrageous misrepresentation of the Secret Sevice man's body
language. .... His body language isn't merely a dismissive "shrug"; it
clearly is an incredulous and urgent questioning of Emory Roberts' order.
His body language clearly reads "What the Hell's going on???" " <<<
A person who has studied this matter in pretty good depth--Gary Mack (at
least I'm fairly sure it was Gary who said this; if it wasn't Gary, I
apologize to him)--has stated that it's his belief that Agent Henry Rybka
(the shoulder-shrugging Secret Service agent who was left at Love Field)
was merely kidding around in a playful manner with the other SS agents in
the Queen Mary follow-up car.
Anyone who has a copy of the inimitable 1964 United Artists documentary
film "FOUR DAYS IN NOVEMBER" can watch (in good-quality form) the entire
uncut "arm-shrugging" WFAA-TV sequence featuring Rybka.
"Four Days" includes a goodly amount of WFAA's videotaped footage of JFK's
Love Field arrival. There are some edits and splices of that airport
footage made by United Artists for the "Four Days" movie, but the Rybka
sequence has not been edited down or spliced in any way. (Which seems kind
of strange to me if UA and/or David Wolper or any of the "Four Days"
moviemakers had been on some "cover-up" or "LN propaganda" mission, as
some CTers seem to actually believe was true.)
And on a big-screen TV, it does look as though Agent Rybka has a bit of a
smile on his face as he's "shrugging" and looking toward the other agents
in the Queen Mary vehicle.
CLIP OF RYBKA AT LOVE FIELD (VIA YOUTUBE.COM)(crappy quality though; the
"Four Days In November" footage is much better):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8
Now, it's possible that Rybka was BOTH confused AND "playful" (in a sense)
when we he see him shrugging his shoulders and waving his arms at Love
Field as JFK's limo leaves the airport.
But one thing's a certainty: Nobody on this Earth can PROVE that the
"Rybka Incident" at Love Field was part of some sort of "Secret Service
Standdown" or was part of some "plot" to kill the President by the SS or
any other authorities in Dallas on November 22, 1963.
The only thing that CTers can do with this Rybka event is what they also
do with pretty much everything connected with this whole case --
SPECULATE.
And the CTer speculations and guesswork always add up to some kind of
covert "plot" of some ilk. Naturally. Because a CTer refuses to believe
that ANY incident (or evidence) connected with 11/22/63 could be
"innocent" in nature. Everything MUST lead to the endzone marked
"Conspiracy".
To a CTer, Rybka's actions at Love Field couldn't possibly be looked upon
as anything BUT "conspiratorial" in some fashion (not on Rybka's part, of
course, but "conspiratorial" on the part of Emory Roberts or any other
people who might be looked at sideways by CTers regarding this airport
incident).*
* = It does seem kind of odd to me, though, if a "plot"/"standdown" was
afoot on Nov. 22nd, that the SS waited until the last minute to coordinate
parts of the supposed "standdown" by "waving off" Rybka at the 11th hour
at Love Field after the cars had already begun to roll.
But, apparently that "last minute" kind of angle doesn't seem odd or
unusual to CTers at all. Nor do CTers evidently think it was strange to
have a critical part of the so-called "standdown" (per the CT POV) taking
place at a time when the Secret Service should have known they were
probably being CAPTURED ON LIVE TELEVISION in the act of performing a key
part of the so-called "standdown".
I guess Roberts, et al, just didn't care about part of the "plot" being
potentially CAUGHT ON TAPE/FILM by WFAA-TV (or by anybody else who might
have had a camera pointed at Rybka at approx. 11:50 AM on Nov. 22 at Love
Field).
But when we dive back into the "Reality Pool" (i.e., the pool where Occam
and his Razor usually rule, and where the ORDINARY trumps and defeats the
EXTRAORDINARY in most instances), Emory Roberts' actions and the actions
of Agent Henry Rybka aren't so "covert" or difficult to figure out at all.
And it's not hard to figure out WHY Roberts and the rest of the Secret
Service didn't care about being seen on live TV during the Rybka "wave
off". The reason they DIDN'T CARE about the rolling TV cameras (and other
potential cameras that might have been filming them) is, of course,
because THE SECRET SERVICE WASN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG OR "COVERT" at Love
Field on November 22.
And innocent people (i.e., people who aren't engaging in plots to kill the
very President they are all sworn to protect with their own lives) don't
have anything to HIDE.
Therefore nothing was hidden from the TV cameras at Love Field....because
every single thing that was going on regarding the SS that day at the
airport was totally INNOCENT and NON-COVERT in nature.
And no CTer alive can possibly prove otherwise.
Plus.....
There's the fact that Rybka's absence during the motorcade drive through
Dallas did not result in Queen Mary being ONE AGENT SHORT. As can easily
be seen via the Altgens and Willis photos below, the MAXIMUM number of
agents (8) are riding in the Queen Mary car in Dealey Plaza, with the full
complement of FOUR AGENTS on the two running boards. .....
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/altgens.jpg
http://www3.baylor.edu/Library/BCPM/JFK/Photos/JFK%20Motorcade%202%20Large.jpg
Plus.....
Via other films and photos taken during pre-November 22nd JFK
motorcades, it becomes very obvious that the security arrangements
made by the SS on 11/22/63 in Dallas were not substantially DIFFERENT
from other motorcades that Kennedy participated in prior to November
22.
I.E.:
There was not ALWAYS a Secret Service agent riding on the rear bumper
of JFK's limousine. Sometimes there were agents on the running boards,
but on many other occasions there were not.
Here are three photographed instances where there were no agents on
either of the bumpers of Kennedy's limo (even amidst heavy crowds):
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/0/0c/Photo_jfkl-01_0130-AR-7956-1B.jpg
http://media.abqtrib.com/albq/content/img/photos/2007/03/15/031507_KENNEDY_t600.jpg
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/Hawaii2.jpg
So HOW can conspiracy theorists possibly claim that the motorcade
security in Dallas was "lax" or "different" or "not up to previous
standards" or whatever the CTers say to try and prop up the ridiculous
notion that the United States Secret Service was actually involved in
some kind of plot to murder the President they'd been protecting with
their own lives for almost three years (and/or: the SS just stood by
watching while deliberately doing nothing to aid JFK after the
shooting began in Dealey Plaza)?
That's just silly beyond all possible belief.
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7b632e38c4bd6225
slatconsulting
the Queen Mary that day. Proof? Zilch. You can't be "left behind" if you
were never supposed to be in the car, and he wasn't.
thali...@hotmail.com
> www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/2e007979...
>
> Plus.....
>
> Via other films and photos taken during pre-November 22nd JFK
> motorcades, it becomes very obvious that the security arrangements
> made by the SS on 11/22/63 in Dallas were not substantially DIFFERENT
> from other motorcades that Kennedy participated in prior to November
> 22.
>
> I.E.:
>
> There was not ALWAYS a Secret Service agent riding on the rear bumper
> of JFK's limousine. Sometimes there were agents on the running boards,
> but on many other occasions there were not.
>
> Here are three photographed instances where there were no agents on
> either of the bumpers of Kennedy's limo (even amidst heavy crowds):
>
>
> http://media.abqtrib.com/albq/content/img/photos/2007/03/15/031507_KE...
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/Hawaii2.jpg
>
> So HOW can conspiracy theorists possibly claim that the motorcade
> security in Dallas was "lax" or "different" or "not up to previous
> standards" or whatever the CTers say to try and prop up the ridiculous
> notion that the United States Secret Service was actually involved in
> some kind of plot to murder the President they'd been protecting with
> their own lives for almost three years (and/or: the SS just stood by
> watching while deliberately doing nothing to aid JFK after the
> shooting began in Dealey Plaza)?
>
> That's just silly beyond all possible belief.
>
> www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7b632e38c4bd6225
>
> www.DavidVonPein.blogspot.com
Rybka is completely bewildered about his "stand down" - it was not in
procedures and was last minute - makes sense to me, confuse everyone
at the last minute and not give anyone a chance to work out something
was afoot in time to do anything about it. It only takes one or bad
apples to manipulate events.
How anyone can come to the conclusion Rybka was NOT in complete
bewilderment over his orders bewilders me.
I SPECULATE that the miltary proection for JFK in a HOSTILE city like
Dallas was below bar and probably corrupted.
But I forget, since it cannot be proved (and how could it be, as
everything just gets explained away as coincidence by lone nutters)
therefore there is nothing to it.
It sounds like you are somewhat spooked by the video, Dave.
Anthony Marsh
It was not a stand down. It was an error. The plan was always to have a
couple of agents walk next to the limo until it picked up speed and then
jump onto the running boards, as Clint Hill successfully did. That is
why those two agents were assigned to the running board, to be able to
jump on and off quickly. But some dunce SS agent was in Rybka's spot, so
when Rybka went to jump onto the running board there was no room for him
and he got left behind. You can see the dunce realizing his error and
climbing into the back seat, too late though.
> How anyone can come to the conclusion Rybka was NOT in complete
> bewilderment over his orders bewilders me.
>
It was not Rybka's mistake. The mistake was the dunce who was in his
spot on the running board.
> I SPECULATE that the miltary proection for JFK in a HOSTILE city like
> Dallas was below bar and probably corrupted.
>
Practically nonexistent, since the 112 was told they were not needed.
There should have been three of them on the grassy knoll.
Anthony Marsh
What are you babbling about now? Clint Hill was assigned to the left
running board and Rybka was assigned to the right running board.
Anthony Marsh
>
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>
>
>
>
>>>> "What an outrageous misrepresentation of the Secret Sevice man's body
> language. .... His body language isn't merely a dismissive "shrug"; it
> clearly is an incredulous and urgent questioning of Emory Roberts' order.
> His body language clearly reads "What the Hell's going on???" " <<<
>
>
> A person who has studied this matter in pretty good depth--Gary Mack (at
> least I'm fairly sure it was Gary who said this; if it wasn't Gary, I
> apologize to him)--has stated that it's his belief that Agent Henry Rybka
> (the shoulder-shrugging Secret Service agent who was left at Love Field)
> was merely kidding around in a playful manner with the other SS agents in
> the Queen Mary follow-up car.
>
Wrong. Mack did not look at the whole clip carefully.
> Anyone who has a copy of the inimitable 1964 United Artists documentary
> film "FOUR DAYS IN NOVEMBER" can watch (in good-quality form) the entire
> uncut "arm-shrugging" WFAA-TV sequence featuring Rybka.
>
> "Four Days" includes a goodly amount of WFAA's videotaped footage of JFK's
> Love Field arrival. There are some edits and splices of that airport
> footage made by United Artists for the "Four Days" movie, but the Rybka
> sequence has not been edited down or spliced in any way. (Which seems kind
> of strange to me if UA and/or David Wolper or any of the "Four Days"
> moviemakers had been on some "cover-up" or "LN propaganda" mission, as
> some CTers seem to actually believe was true.)
>
> And on a big-screen TV, it does look as though Agent Rybka has a bit of a
> smile on his face as he's "shrugging" and looking toward the other agents
> in the Queen Mary vehicle.
>
No, he's miffed.
>
> CLIP OF RYBKA AT LOVE FIELD (VIA YOUTUBE.COM)(crappy quality though; the
> "Four Days In November" footage is much better):
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8
>
>
>
>
>
> Now, it's possible that Rybka was BOTH confused AND "playful" (in a sense)
> when we he see him shrugging his shoulders and waving his arms at Love
> Field as JFK's limo leaves the airport.
>
No, he was not confused. He was annoyed. Someone was in his spot on the
running board.
> But one thing's a certainty: Nobody on this Earth can PROVE that the
> "Rybka Incident" at Love Field was part of some sort of "Secret Service
> Standdown" or was part of some "plot" to kill the President by the SS or
> any other authorities in Dallas on November 22, 1963.
>
> The only thing that CTers can do with this Rybka event is what they also
> do with pretty much everything connected with this whole case --
> SPECULATE.
>
> And the CTer speculations and guesswork always add up to some kind of
> covert "plot" of some ilk. Naturally. Because a CTer refuses to believe
> that ANY incident (or evidence) connected with 11/22/63 could be
> "innocent" in nature. Everything MUST lead to the endzone marked
> "Conspiracy".
>
I have corrected Vince Palamara and others about this many times.
> To a CTer, Rybka's actions at Love Field couldn't possibly be looked upon
> as anything BUT "conspiratorial" in some fashion (not on Rybka's part, of
> course, but "conspiratorial" on the part of Emory Roberts or any other
> people who might be looked at sideways by CTers regarding this airport
> incident).*
>
This CTer has explained it as not being sinister, but simply an error.
> * = It does seem kind of odd to me, though, if a "plot"/"standdown" was
> afoot on Nov. 22nd, that the SS waited until the last minute to coordinate
> parts of the supposed "standdown" by "waving off" Rybka at the 11th hour
> at Love Field after the cars had already begun to roll.
>
And what difference would that one man make when someone else could take
his place (and accidentally did)?
In the clip you can see that one agent on the running board realized his
mistake and climbed into the back seat. Rybka was the missing agent. There
was not enough room in the back seat as usual because of the last minute
kicking out of the official WH photographer so that 2 of Kennedy's aides
could ride in the SS car.
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/altgens.jpg
>
>
>
> http://www3.baylor.edu/Library/BCPM/JFK/Photos/JFK%20Motorcade%202%20Large.jpg
>
>
>
>
> Plus.....
>
> Via other films and photos taken during pre-November 22nd JFK
> motorcades, it becomes very obvious that the security arrangements
> made by the SS on 11/22/63 in Dallas were not substantially DIFFERENT
> from other motorcades that Kennedy participated in prior to November
> 22.
>
Not always the same. It varied.
> I.E.:
>
> There was not ALWAYS a Secret Service agent riding on the rear bumper
> of JFK's limousine. Sometimes there were agents on the running boards,
> but on many other occasions there were not.
>
> Here are three photographed instances where there were no agents on
> either of the bumpers of Kennedy's limo (even amidst heavy crowds):
>
>
>
>
> http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/0/0c/Photo_jfkl-01_0130-AR-7956-1B.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://media.abqtrib.com/albq/content/img/photos/2007/03/15/031507_KENNEDY_t600.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/Hawaii2.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So HOW can conspiracy theorists possibly claim that the motorcade
> security in Dallas was "lax" or "different" or "not up to previous
> standards" or whatever the CTers say to try and prop up the ridiculous
> notion that the United States Secret Service was actually involved in
> some kind of plot to murder the President they'd been protecting with
> their own lives for almost three years (and/or: the SS just stood by
> watching while deliberately doing nothing to aid JFK after the
> shooting began in Dealey Plaza)?
>
Because they have not studied the previous motorcades.
alo...@maine.rr.com
at the Trademart - not."
give me a break, Von Pein; why do your posts sound like a man stuttering?
repeat the same simple-minded ideas over and over and than maybe they'll
make sense - hey John can we restrict posts to 19 paragraphs or less?
it amuses me how LNers criticize CTers (with some justification) of taking
the evidentary ball and running with it even when there's no real
empirical evidence to support the original idea - and yet guys like Von
Pein do this as a matter of course - repeat the lie often enough, to
pararphrase an old saying, and it'll come to sound like the truth. And the
truth wiith the Secret Service stand-down and this film is mysterious, if
ominous -
if anything, his smile can be seen as an embarrased, slightly humiliated
attempt to save face at having been given a public order that made him
seem silly and subservient - but who knows? As for TV watching it all,
this is 1963 after all; there was little sense of public exposure in
those days, little awareness of being watched, unlike today when every
cell phone camera is watching -
-Allen Lowe
David Von Pein
jump onto the running board there was no room for him and he got left
behind. You can see the dunce realizing his error and climbing into the
back seat, too late though." <<<
Some interesting stuff regarding Agent Henry Rybka can be gleaned from the
Original Report of ATSAIC Emory Roberts of the Secret Service (a report
that is dated November 29, 1963):
"11:55 a.m.: The President (right rear seat), Mrs. Kennedy (left
rear seat), Governor John Connally (of Texas) (right jump seat), Mrs.
Connally (left jump seat), ASAIC Roy T. Kellerman front seat, with SA
William Greer driving, (SS car 100 X--top removed) departed Love Field.
"SA Donald Lawton of 8 a.m.-4 p.m. shift remained at Love Field with
SA Warner and Rybka to set up security for the President's departure for
Bergstrom AFB, Austin, Texas. The Presidential aircraft was due to depart
Dallas at 2:35 p.m.
"The following persons departed Love Field in Secret Service
Follow-up car, 679 X and were located in and on running boards of car as
follows:
"ATSAIC Emory P. Roberts--front seat--operating radio.
SA Samuel Kinney--driving (did an excellent job)
Mr. Kenneth O'Donnell, Appointment Secretary to the President, left
jump seat.
Mr. David Powers, Presidential Aide, right jump seat.
SA Glen Bennett, left rear seat.
SA George Hickey, right rear seat (manning AR-15 (rifle)
SA Clinton Hill, left running board, front.
SA William Mclntyre, left running board, behind Hill.
SA John D. Ready, right running board, front.
SA Paul Landis, right running board behind Ready.
"Note: On shift report for Nov. 22, 1963, I listed SA Rybka as
riding in center of rear seat, which was in error, as he was not in car.
As mentioned above, he remained at Love Field." -- EMORY P. ROBERTS
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/Sa-rober.htm
=======================
I'll add the following addendum, just for the heck of it. This comes from
a statement made by SS agent Clint Hill, dated November 30, 1963:
"My instructions for Dallas were to work the left rear of the
Presidential automobile and remain in close proximity to Mrs. John F.
Kennedy at all times. The agent assigned to work the left rear of the
Presidential automobile rides on the forward portion of the left hand
running board of the Secret Service follow-up car and only moves forward
to walk alongside the Presidential automobile when it slows to such a pace
that people can readily approach the auto on foot." -- CLINTON J. HILL
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/sa-hill.htm
=======================
In the final analysis, this whole SS argument is a relatively-moot one
anyway, from yet another angle. That angle being:
It's still very likely that Lee Oswald could (and would) have killed the
President, even with extra SS agents being in Dealey Plaza and even with
an agent riding on the back bumper on JFK's side of SS-100-X at precisely
12:30 PM.
Short of the SS throwing a 360-degree "wall" of agents around the body of
JFK in the Plaza, it's still quite likely that Oswald would have been able
to accomplish the assassination successfully with his MC rifle from 60
feet up.
David Von Pein
>>> "It amuses me how LNers criticize CTers (with some justification) of
empirical evidence to support the original idea - and yet guys like Von
Pein do this as a matter of course - repeat the lie often enough, to
pararphrase an old saying, and it'll come to sound like the truth." <<<
Yeah, I'm amused too.
BTW, where's "the lie" I supposedly "repeat[ed]"?
Anthony Marsh
> of course he's smiling, sure, read his lips, he's saying "ok Pres, see you
> at the Trademart - not."
>
> give me a break, Von Pein; why do your posts sound like a man stuttering?
> repeat the same simple-minded ideas over and over and than maybe they'll
> make sense - hey John can we restrict posts to 19 paragraphs or less?
>
> it amuses me how LNers criticize CTers (with some justification) of taking
> the evidentary ball and running with it even when there's no real
> empirical evidence to support the original idea - and yet guys like Von
> Pein do this as a matter of course - repeat the lie often enough, to
> pararphrase an old saying, and it'll come to sound like the truth. And the
> truth wiith the Secret Service stand-down and this film is mysterious, if
> ominous -
>
> if anything, his smile can be seen as an embarrased, slightly humiliated
> attempt to save face at having been given a public order that made him
> seem silly and subservient - but who knows? As for TV watching it all,
He was not given an order to stand down. He was given an order to jump
onto the running board.
Anthony Marsh
Yes, accidentally. But the shift report reflects what was supposed to
happen.
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/Sa-rober.htm
>
>
> =======================
>
>
>
> I'll add the following addendum, just for the heck of it. This comes from
> a statement made by SS agent Clint Hill, dated November 30, 1963:
>
>
> "My instructions for Dallas were to work the left rear of the
> Presidential automobile and remain in close proximity to Mrs. John F.
> Kennedy at all times. The agent assigned to work the left rear of the
> Presidential automobile rides on the forward portion of the left hand
> running board of the Secret Service follow-up car and only moves forward
> to walk alongside the Presidential automobile when it slows to such a pace
> that people can readily approach the auto on foot." -- CLINTON J. HILL
>
And the same hold true for the right side.
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/sa-hill.htm
>
> =======================
>
> In the final analysis, this whole SS argument is a relatively-moot one
> anyway, from yet another angle. That angle being:
>
> It's still very likely that Lee Oswald could (and would) have killed the
> President, even with extra SS agents being in Dealey Plaza and even with
> an agent riding on the back bumper on JFK's side of SS-100-X at precisely
> 12:30 PM.
>
And It's still very likely that a grassy knoll shooter could (and would)
have killed the President, even with extra SS agents being in Dealey
Plaza and even with an agent riding on the back bumper on JFK's side of
SS-100-X at precisely 12:31 PM.
> Short of the SS throwing a 360-degree "wall" of agents around the body of
> JFK in the Plaza, it's still quite likely that Oswald would have been able
> to accomplish the assassination successfully with his MC rifle from 60
> feet up.
President Kennedy pointed out just that morning how easy it would be.
David Von Pein
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>>> "The shift report {made out by Emory Roberts} reflects what was
supposed to happen." <<<
But not what you (Anthony Marsh) seem to think was "supposed to happen",
because you (Anthony Marsh) seem to think, via your previous posts on this
topic, that Roberts assigned Rybka to a right-side RUNNING BOARD position
on the Queen Mary SS follow-up Cadillac, instead of Rybka being
(mistakenly) assigned, per Roberts' report, to the CENTER OF THE REAR
SEAT.
Would you care to now change your theory regarding Agent Rybka being
assigned a running-board slot on QM on 11/22/63, Tony?
>>> "And it's still very likely that a grassy knoll shooter could (and
would) have killed the President, even with extra SS agents being in
Dealey Plaza and even with an agent riding on the back bumper on JFK's
side of SS-100-X at precisely 12:31 PM." <<<
Ahhh, the mysterious Grassy Knoll assassin rears his (invisible!) head
once more. Nice, Tony. Nice.
Too bad that you think that JFK had "no hole" at all in the back of his
head. Odd that a GK shooter could hit JFK in the head from the Knoll and
produce "no hole" at all in the BOH. And on top of that hunk of amazing
shooting, the bullet fired by this invented GK shooter ALSO managed to
produce no hole or damage to the LEFT side of JFK's head (or brain)
whatsoever.
That was one incredible job of killing the President from a GK position,
Tony. The killer became invisible. His bullet became undetectable in JFK's
body. And the bullet that killed Kennedy somehow produced NO DAMAGE TO
JFK's HEAD WHATSOEVER.
Now who's got a Magic Bullet?
Tony, please tell us (if you haven't already) how the GK shooter's bullet
hit JFK in the head and produced no wounds to Kennedy's head at all? (Tell
us just for the laughs, mind you.)
>>> "President Kennedy pointed out just that morning how easy it would
be." <<<
And Jack was 100% right too. For, Oswald's feat WAS relatively easy. And
it was pulled off by Lee Harvey Oswald, alone, without the need for any
extra shooters firing from Grassy Knolls.
Anthony Marsh
>
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>
>
>
>
>>>> "The shift report {made out by Emory Roberts} reflects what was
> supposed to happen." <<<
>
>
> But not what you (Anthony Marsh) seem to think was "supposed to happen",
> because you (Anthony Marsh) seem to think, via your previous posts on this
> topic, that Roberts assigned Rybka to a right-side RUNNING BOARD position
> on the Queen Mary SS follow-up Cadillac, instead of Rybka being
> (mistakenly) assigned, per Roberts' report, to the CENTER OF THE REAR
> SEAT.
>
No, that is not what I said. Whoever was assigned to the right running
board stood on the right running board and did not do his job of walking
next to the limo. So Rybka did that job.
> Would you care to now change your theory regarding Agent Rybka being
> assigned a running-board slot on QM on 11/22/63, Tony?
>
Again with the false charges. That is not what I said.
>
>
>
>>>> "And it's still very likely that a grassy knoll shooter could (and
> would) have killed the President, even with extra SS agents being in
> Dealey Plaza and even with an agent riding on the back bumper on JFK's
> side of SS-100-X at precisely 12:31 PM." <<<
>
>
> Ahhh, the mysterious Grassy Knoll assassin rears his (invisible!) head
> once more. Nice, Tony. Nice.
>
> Too bad that you think that JFK had "no hole" at all in the back of his
> head. Odd that a GK shooter could hit JFK in the head from the Knoll and
> produce "no hole" at all in the BOH. And on top of that hunk of amazing
Not off at all when the bullet hits the FRONT of his head.
> shooting, the bullet fired by this invented GK shooter ALSO managed to
> produce no hole or damage to the LEFT side of JFK's head (or brain)
> whatsoever.
>
Not true and there does not have to be an exit hole on the left side.
> That was one incredible job of killing the President from a GK position,
> Tony. The killer became invisible. His bullet became undetectable in JFK's
> body. And the bullet that killed Kennedy somehow produced NO DAMAGE TO
> JFK's HEAD WHATSOEVER.
>
He wasn't invisible. He is seen in one photo and one film.
The damage we do see was caused by the bullet from the front.
>
> Now who's got a Magic Bullet?
>
>
> Tony, please tell us (if you haven't already) how the GK shooter's bullet
> hit JFK in the head and produced no wounds to Kennedy's head at all? (Tell
> us just for the laughs, mind you.)
>
You abound in straw man arguments.
David Von Pein
running board stood on the right running board and did not do his job of
walking next to the limo. So Rybka did that job." <<<
Oh, I see. That must be why you said the following things a few days ago
(indicating, quite obviously, your belief that Rybka was ASSIGNED to the
right running board):
"Some dunce SS agent was in Rybka's spot, so when Rybka went to jump
onto the running board there was no room for him and he got left behind.
You can see the dunce realizing his error and climbing into the back seat,
too late though. .... Someone was in his {Rybka's} spot on the running
board."
Try your best to have it both ways, Tony. I like watching a CTer spin
stuff.
Anthony Marsh
>>>> "No, that is not what I said. Whoever was assigned to the right
> running board stood on the right running board and did not do his job of
> walking next to the limo. So Rybka did that job." <<<
>
>
> Oh, I see. That must be why you said the following things a few days ago
> (indicating, quite obviously, your belief that Rybka was ASSIGNED to the
> right running board):
>
>
> "Some dunce SS agent was in Rybka's spot, so when Rybka went to jump
> onto the running board there was no room for him and he got left behind.
> You can see the dunce realizing his error and climbing into the back seat,
> too late though. .... Someone was in his {Rybka's} spot on the running
> board."
>
>
You can see that agent climbing into the back seat. He realized his
error. Whichever agent was on the running board was supposed to be
walking next to the limo. That's how it works.
The 2 agents on the right running board did not walk next to the limo as
they were supposed to.
twvaug...@yahoo.com
Tony,
What's your citation for your claim that "Rybka was assigned to the right
running board."?
Todd
David Von Pein
>>> "The 2 agents on the right running board did not walk next to the limo
as they were supposed to." <<<
Yeah, I guess that FENCE and the PEOPLE WHO WERE WELL BEHIND THE FENCE at
the airport were a major threat to the President as the cars began to roll
at Love Field, huh?
Therefore, it was imperative that all of the running-board agents walk
beside a car that wasn't being approached (or threatened) in ANY way by
spectators.
Now's a good time to re-quote Clint Hill (and this quote undoubtedly would
apply to the RIGHT side of the President's limousine as well...i.e., JFK's
side of the car):
"My instructions for Dallas were to work the left rear of the Presidential
automobile and remain in close proximity to Mrs. John F. Kennedy at all
times. The agent assigned to work the left rear of the Presidential
automobile rides on the forward portion of the left hand running board of
the Secret Service follow-up car and only moves forward to walk alongside
the Presidential automobile when it slows to such a pace that people can
readily approach the auto on foot." -- Clinton Hill; 11/30/63
=======
Trying backpedaling some more on your initial "RYBKA WAS ASSIGNED TO A
RUNNING BOARD" posture, Tony. I enjoy watching a CTer pedal backwards,
instead of merely admitting he was wrong.
Here's my confession of stupidity for today --- I've argued with CTers
about the "Rybka" situation at Love Field several times in the past, but I
never ONCE (prior to just a few days ago) took the time to look up Emory
Roberts' statement, which has no doubt been available online for a long
time:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/Sa-rober.htm
I was stupid for never having even taken the trouble to search for such a
report by Roberts (or whoever else might have knowledge of the SS agents'
movements at Love Field on 11/22). And I feel silly now for having never
bothered to research such an easy-to-find piece of information.
alo...@maine.rr.com
an order to jump
onto the running board. "
what is this based on? Palamara has written:
"Rybka would then remain at the airport during the murder, having been
effectively neutralized)
--although Paul Landis made room for him on the right running board of
the follow-up car, Agent Rybka did not budge"
so it does NOT sound, to me, that the order has been given to Rybka
to get on the running board, but only that this was something Landis
did on the spot - and Rybka, anyway, stayed at Love Field - and if
that is not "standing down" than I do not know what is - unless
Anthony has more documentation that I am not aware of - please let me
know, as I find this whole episode quite confusing -
-Allen Lowe
Anthony Marsh
>>>> "The 2 agents on the right running board did not walk next to the limo
> as they were supposed to." <<<
>
>
> Yeah, I guess that FENCE and the PEOPLE WHO WERE WELL BEHIND THE FENCE at
> the airport were a major threat to the President as the cars began to roll
> at Love Field, huh?
>
I said nothing about going over to the fence at the same time the limo
started to roll. The limo did not start to toll until JFK had finished
shaking hands at the fence and gotten into the limo. You have no point.
> Therefore, it was imperative that all of the running-board agents walk
> beside a car that wasn't being approached (or threatened) in ANY way by
> spectators.
>
You know nothing about SS procedure. SS agents always walk along next to
the limo when it is going slowly enough. It doesn't have to just be
spectators to watch out for. It could be ground personnel.
> Now's a good time to re-quote Clint Hill (and this quote undoubtedly would
> apply to the RIGHT side of the President's limousine as well...i.e., JFK's
> side of the car):
>
> "My instructions for Dallas were to work the left rear of the Presidential
> automobile and remain in close proximity to Mrs. John F. Kennedy at all
> times. The agent assigned to work the left rear of the Presidential
> automobile rides on the forward portion of the left hand running board of
> the Secret Service follow-up car and only moves forward to walk alongside
> the Presidential automobile when it slows to such a pace that people can
> readily approach the auto on foot." -- Clinton Hill; 11/30/63
>
That is what I just said.
> =======
>
> Trying backpedaling some more on your initial "RYBKA WAS ASSIGNED TO A
> RUNNING BOARD" posture, Tony. I enjoy watching a CTer pedal backwards,
> instead of merely admitting he was wrong.
>
Not what I said. Rybka was assigned to the Queen Mary. The other SS agent
did not do his job of walking next to the limo, so Rybka did. The only way
for Rybka to get into the back seat would be to jump on the running board
and climb over the side, but the other SS agent was in the way.
> Here's my confession of stupidity for today --- I've argued with CTers
> about the "Rybka" situation at Love Field several times in the past, but I
> never ONCE (prior to just a few days ago) took the time to look up Emory
> Roberts' statement, which has no doubt been available online for a long
> time:
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/Sa-rober.htm
>
>
> I was stupid for never having even taken the trouble to search for such a
> report by Roberts (or whoever else might have knowledge of the SS agents'
> movements at Love Field on 11/22). And I feel silly now for having never
> bothered to research such an easy-to-find piece of information.
>
Or watching the entire clip AND other motorcades.
Anthony Marsh
Not what I meant. Rybka was assigned to the back seat of the Queen Mary.
He was walking on the right rear of the limo just as Clint Hill was
walking on the left rear and then was supposed to jump onto the running
board as Clint Hill did. But the other SS agent was in the way. I would
still like to see a chart identifying each agent by name, clothing,
appearance. I can not be sure which agent made the mistake and don't want
to blame the wrong one.
> Todd
>
Anthony Marsh
> Anthony wrote: "He was not given an order to stand down. He was given
> an order to jump
> onto the running board. "
>
> what is this based on? Palamara has written:
>
I have said many times before that Palamara is wrong. You understand, I
hope, that Palamara is the guy who accuses the SS of being involved in
the conspiracy.
> "Rybka would then remain at the airport during the murder, having been
> effectively neutralized)
Neutralized? That's silly. Rybka would not make any difference at all.
Whoever jumped off the running board first COULD have made a difference,
but it was not quick enough to make any difference. Clint Hill almost
died in his heroic effort.
> --although Paul Landis made room for him on the right running board of
> the follow-up car, Agent Rybka did not budge"
>
Landis? OK. But I am not quite ready to blame Landis for the whole
problem. Landis was assigned to protect Jackie on the left side of the
limo along with Clint Hill.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0311a.htm
Why was he standing on the back of the RIGHT running board? Was he
careless or negligent or did Emory change the assignments?
Landis did climb into the back seat, but it was too late for Rybka to
jump on.
> so it does NOT sound, to me, that the order has been given to Rybka
> to get on the running board, but only that this was something Landis
The order was for ALL agents walking to jump onto the running boards.
That is SOP.
> did on the spot - and Rybka, anyway, stayed at Love Field - and if
> that is not "standing down" than I do not know what is - unless
It is NOT standing down. It is being left behind.
> Anthony has more documentation that I am not aware of - please let me
> know, as I find this whole episode quite confusing -
> -Allen Lowe
>
Yes, I have a lot more documentation that you are not aware of. I am
pointing out some of it now just for you.
I'm not confused about this whole episode, just disappointed in the
sloppiness.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0312a.htm
And in case you missed it the first time:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/Sa-rober.htm
Note: On shift report for Nov. 22, 1963, I listed SA Rybka as riding in
center of rear seat, which was in error, as he was not in car. As
mentioned above, he remained at Love Field.
The shift report proves that Rybka was assigned to ride in the Queen
Mary, but he was left behind.
David Von Pein
>>> "Rybka was assigned to the back seat of the Queen Mary." <<<
Classic hunk of back-pedaling here.
Let's perform a quick review of recent Tony Marsh statements regarding
the topic of Secret Service Agent Henry Rybka:
"Some dunce SS agent was in Rybka's spot, so when Rybka went to
jump onto the running board there was no room for him and he got left
behind." -- T. Marsh; 02/29/08
"Rybka was assigned to the right running board." -- T. Marsh;
02/29/08
"He {Agent Rybka} was not confused. He was annoyed. Someone was
in his spot on the running board." -- T. Marsh; 02/29/08
"Rybka was assigned to the back seat of the Queen Mary." -- T.
Marsh; 03/04/08
>>> "I would still like to see a chart identifying each agent by name,
clothing, appearance. I can not be sure which agent made the mistake and
don't want to blame the wrong one." <<<
RUNNING BOARDS:
Left side/Front -- Clint Hill.
Right side/Front -- John Ready.
Left side/Rear -- Bill "Tim" McIntyre.
Right side/Rear -- Paul Landis.
FRONT SEAT:
Sam Kinney (driver).
Emory Roberts.
BACK SEAT:
Glen Bennett.
George Hickey.
JUMP SEATS:
Kennedy aides David Powers and Ken O'Donnell.
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3374883466e6f1e9
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/Sa-landi.htm
David Von Pein
VIA PAUL LANDIS' REPORT:
"Only a short distance later the President and First Lady stopped
shaking hands and entered their automobile. I stood by the right rear side
until the car started moving and then hopped on the right rear portion of
the right running board of the Follow-up car. I was standing with my right
leg on the running board and my left leg up over and inside the Follow-up
car. I stayed in this position until we were leaving the Airport area and
remarked that, "I might as well get all the way in," and I did so. I
glanced at my watch but I don't recall the time.
"Special Agents Glen Bennett and George Hickey were seated to my
left respectively in the rear of the Follow-up car. Mr. David Powers was
seated directly in front of me in the center portion of the Follow- up car
and Mr. Kenneth O'Donnell was seated on Mr. Power's left. Special Agent
Sam Kinney was driving and ATSAIC Roberts was seated in the right front
seat. Special Agents John Ready, Clinton Hill, and Tim McIntyre were
standing on the right front, left front, and left rear portions of the
running board, respectively.
"The motorcade had not proceeded far when ATSAIC Roberts asked me to
get back on the outside running board, "Just in case," which I immediately
did. The crowd was about two deep along each side of the road and I would
guess that we were traveling about twenty miles per hour." -- PAUL E.
LANDIS, JR.; 11/27/63
alo...@maine.rr.com
read everything you have ever written on every subject - some of us
work for a living -
-Allen Lowe
Anthony Marsh
> VIA PAUL LANDIS' REPORT:
>
>
> "Only a short distance later the President and First Lady stopped
> shaking hands and entered their automobile. I stood by the right rear side
> until the car started moving and then hopped on the right rear portion of
> the right running board of the Follow-up car. I was standing with my right
> leg on the running board and my left leg up over and inside the Follow-up
> car. I stayed in this position until we were leaving the Airport area and
> remarked that, "I might as well get all the way in," and I did so. I
> glanced at my watch but I don't recall the time.
>
Little lies. He did not walk alongside the limo as Clint Hill did. So
Rybka had to do it. Rybka was supposed to get into the SS car, but could
not because Landis was in the way. Landis realized his error and climbed
into the back seat. But not quickly enough so Rybka was left behind.
Landis sat in the back seat where Rybka was assigned to be sitting. It was
a typical SS foulup.
> "Special Agents Glen Bennett and George Hickey were seated to my
> left respectively in the rear of the Follow-up car. Mr. David Powers was
> seated directly in front of me in the center portion of the Follow- up car
> and Mr. Kenneth O'Donnell was seated on Mr. Power's left. Special Agent
> Sam Kinney was driving and ATSAIC Roberts was seated in the right front
> seat. Special Agents John Ready, Clinton Hill, and Tim McIntyre were
> standing on the right front, left front, and left rear portions of the
> running board, respectively.
>
> "The motorcade had not proceeded far when ATSAIC Roberts asked me to
> get back on the outside running board, "Just in case," which I immediately
> did. The crowd was about two deep along each side of the road and I would
> guess that we were traveling about twenty miles per hour." -- PAUL E.
> LANDIS, JR.; 11/27/63
>
Yeah, after Roberts realized that they had left behind Rybka!
Anthony Marsh
Not what I asked for. We already had that from Todd's chart, which I
helped him with and from Pictures of the Pain which used Todd's charts.
>
>
>
>
> www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3374883466e6f1e9
>
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/Sa-landi.htm
>
>
David Von Pein
>>> "Not what I asked for." <<<
Well, that's just tough toenails for Tone....because I kinda doubt
that the SS made up a Barbie-doll chart for its agents on Nov. 22
showing what each agent's wardrobe was for that day (and what
hairstyles were adorning each man's head and what color socks they
were wearing).
Looks like it's time for a proverbial "Geesh" here.
David Von Pein
>>> "We already had that from Todd's chart..." <<<
Why would anyone's "charts" be needed, when we have all of the info
regarding the SS agents' 11/22 Queen Mary assignments right here
(among other reports from other agents)? ~shrug~:
Anthony Marsh
>
>
>>>> "We already had that from Todd's chart..." <<<
>
>
> Why would anyone's "charts" be needed, when we have all of the info
> regarding the SS agents' 11/22 Queen Mary assignments right here
> (among other reports from other agents)? ~shrug~:
>
Are you saying that Todd did all that work for nothing and that there
was no reason to put the charts in Pictures of the Pain? A picture is
worth 1,000 words and easier to reference.
It is also helpful to note the actual conditions which are different
from the original assignments.
Anthony Marsh
>>>> "Not what I asked for." <<<
>
> Well, that's just tough toenails for Tone....because I kinda doubt
> that the SS made up a Barbie-doll chart for its agents on Nov. 22
> showing what each agent's wardrobe was for that day (and what
> hairstyles were adorning each man's head and what color socks they
> were wearing).
>
I did not suggest they did. This is the type of thing that Todd can do
so well. You never saw his motorcade chart?
alo...@maine.rr.com
Typical in what way? Happened all the time? Previously happened? Would
happen again in the future? Documentation please -
-Allen Lowe
Anthony Marsh
In his statement Roberts said:
Note: On shift report for Nov. 22, 1963, I listed SA Rybka as riding in
center of rear seat, which was in error, as he was not in car. As
mentioned above, he remained at Love Field.
Please upload or post a link to this shift report he mentions.
And on what date was Cecil Stoughton last listed as going to be in the
Queen Mary?
Anthony Marsh
In Roberts' original report from 11/22/63 (before the cover-up began) he
lists Rybka as riding in the center of the rear seat of the SS follow-up
car.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh18/html/WH_Vol18_0377a.htm
>
>
>
>
> www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3374883466e6f1e9
>
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/Sa-landi.htm
>
>
David Von Pein
>>> "You never saw his motorcade chart?" <<<
On page 63 of Richard Trask's "POTP", you mean?
Yes, I've seen that chart. But I didn't see any kind of a chart in
POTP that shows what color socks and shirts each SS agent was wearing
on 11/22.
Anthony Marsh
>>>> "You never saw his motorcade chart?" <<<
>
> On page 63 of Richard Trask's "POTP", you mean?
>
More than that. Todd's chart before POTP came out.
Yes or no? If no, ask Todd to send you a copy.
> Yes, I've seen that chart. But I didn't see any kind of a chart in
> POTP that shows what color socks and shirts each SS agent was wearing
> on 11/22.
>
I think that was my point. I would like to see such a chart. Sunglasses,
color of jacket, hair, etc.
Anthony Marsh
Well, you already know that I disagree with Vince Palamara, but he does
document other SS foulups.
slatconsulting
"David Von Pein" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:48bb4191-f41b-4f52...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Trying backpedaling some more on your initial "RYBKA WAS ASSIGNED TO A
> RUNNING BOARD" posture, Tony. I enjoy watching a CTer pedal backwards,
> instead of merely admitting he was wrong.
Tony has been peddling this fiction for years. Take another look at the
"incriminating" videotape. Rybka never even attempts to get INTO the car.
Instead, he stands flatfooted and lets the car drive past his postion. If
anyone was confused that day, it was him. Befuddled Landis making room for
him was a mistake, because there's never been ANY proof that Rybka was
assigned to the Queen Mary in Dallas. None. Secert Servce assignments are
meticulously detailed down to the last second. There is no "freelancing."
You don't just hop onto a car on a whim or without or prior permission.
If Tony can provide a November 22nd duty roster (drafted prior to the
assassination) that shows Rybka assigned to that car, I'd like to see it.
Anthony Marsh
> "David Von Pein" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:48bb4191-f41b-4f52...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Trying backpedaling some more on your initial "RYBKA WAS ASSIGNED TO A
>> RUNNING BOARD" posture, Tony. I enjoy watching a CTer pedal backwards,
>> instead of merely admitting he was wrong.
>
> Tony has been peddling this fiction for years. Take another look at the
> "incriminating" videotape. Rybka never even attempts to get INTO the car.
> Instead, he stands flatfooted and lets the car drive past his postion. If
> anyone was confused that day, it was him. Befuddled Landis making room for
> him was a mistake, because there's never been ANY proof that Rybka was
You apparently missed the recent discussion and did not see the attached
documents. Roberts list Rybka in his shift report that day as being in
the back seat of the Queen Mary. How can he list him as being in the
back seat if he had not been assigned to be there?
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh18/html/WH_Vol18_0377a.htm
> assigned to the Queen Mary in Dallas. None. Secert Servce assignments are
> meticulously detailed down to the last second. There is no "freelancing."
No, they are not. Sometimes they are changed at the last minute.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh18/html/WH_Vol18_0409b.htm
> You don't just hop onto a car on a whim or without or prior permission.
Roberts gave the order. The videoclip shows that and shows Clint Hill
get back to the running board.
> If Tony can provide a November 22nd duty roster (drafted prior to the
> assassination) that shows Rybka assigned to that car, I'd like to see it.
>
>
I just did, but you did not pay attention.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh18/html/WH_Vol18_0377a.htm
slatconsulting
roster for November 22 (wherein Rybka's duties and responsibilities would
have been plainly spelled out), and instead you provide a link to a
worthless Emory Roberts assassination RECAP drafted LATER that night. This
isn't a duty roster; it's the ramblings of a confused individual who was
under shock and duress. Just because a rattled Roberts "thought" Rybka was
in the QM doesn't mean he was ASSIGNED to the car to begin with.
Understand? Now, for the last time, find me a duty roster drafted before
12:30 CT that places Rybka in or on that car. Tick tock.
BTW, you can't be "left behind" if you were supposed to STAY behind all
along, and he was.
"Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:pJednZ4teeMSBk7a...@comcast.com...
Anthony Marsh
> Tony, can you read? I specifically asked for a PRE-assassination duty
> roster for November 22 (wherein Rybka's duties and responsibilities would
> have been plainly spelled out), and instead you provide a link to a
> worthless Emory Roberts assassination RECAP drafted LATER that night. This
Hey Buddy, can't you read? I was the one who was specifically asked for a
PRE-assassination duty roster for November 22. No one has found it.
Cover-up or National Security?
> isn't a duty roster; it's the ramblings of a confused individual who was
> under shock and duress. Just because a rattled Roberts "thought" Rybka was
> in the QM doesn't mean he was ASSIGNED to the car to begin with.
How could Roberts just "think" that Rybka was in the back seat,
specifically the middle, unless Rybka was ASSIGNED to the car to begin
with? Did he list Gandhi as riding in the front seat?
> Understand? Now, for the last time, find me a duty roster drafted before
> 12:30 CT that places Rybka in or on that car. Tick tock.
>
Capiche? Now, for the last time, find me a duty roster drafted before
12:30 CT that lists all the assigned agents in that car. I'm waiting.
> BTW, you can't be "left behind" if you were supposed to STAY behind all
> along, and he was.
>
Rybka was not supposed to STAY behind. He was not assigned to the
airport. He was protective services and routinely rode in the Queen Mary.
slatconsulting
> slatconsulting wrote:
>> Tony, can you read? I specifically asked for a PRE-assassination duty
>> roster for November 22 (wherein Rybka's duties and responsibilities would
>> have been plainly spelled out), and instead you provide a link to a
>> worthless Emory Roberts assassination RECAP drafted LATER that night.
>> This
>
> Hey Buddy, can't you read? I was the one who was specifically asked for a
> PRE-assassination duty roster for November 22. No one has found it.
Sashay! Do you realize how ridiculous you look? All these years, your
"Rybka-QM" theory has been based on ... what? A hunch? Intuition? Wishful
thinking? You just admitted that you have no definitive proof, be it a
duty roster or anything else that comes close to approximating it, yet you
arrogantly cling to baseless conclusions. Also, if you're going to persist
with this fiction. how's about keeping your story straight? One minute you
have him stationed on the right running board. Then it's the middle seat.
Will he be in the trunk by Friday?
>> isn't a duty roster; it's the ramblings of a confused individual who was
>> under shock and duress. Just because a rattled Roberts "thought" Rybka
>> was in the QM doesn't mean he was ASSIGNED to the car to begin with.
>
> How could Roberts just "think" that Rybka was in the back seat,
> specifically the middle, unless Rybka was ASSIGNED to the car to begin
> with? Did he list Gandhi as riding in the front seat?
So I guess that really "was" Lambchop in the back seat of the limo? Tony,
mortal men make mistakes. You of all people should know. The difference
between you and Roberts is that he humbly corrected his error. He was also
the eye of an emotional hurricane that day, with a million different
frantic events unfolding at once. If that's his excuse for sloppiness or
inaccuracy, what's yours?
>> Understand? Now, for the last time, find me a duty roster drafted before
>> 12:30 CT that places Rybka in or on that car. Tick tock.
>>
>
> Capiche? Now, for the last time, find me a duty roster drafted before
> 12:30 CT that lists all the assigned agents in that car. I'm waiting.
Sorry, but you're the prosecutor of Mr. Roberts, and as such, the burden of
proof is on you. Get to it, Mr. Garrison.
>> BTW, you can't be "left behind" if you were supposed to STAY behind all
>> along, and he was.
>>
>
> Rybka was not supposed to STAY behind. He was not assigned to the airport.
> He was protective services and routinely rode in the Queen Mary.
Baloney. Agents like Rybka did non-glamorous stuff like crowd and airport
security all the time. He wasn't special. And in terms of pure numbers,
not every member of a "protective detail" can fit into one follow-up car.
Someone will ALWAYS have to stay back, especially when two civilians like
Powers and O'Donnell are taking up critical space.
Anthony Marsh
> "Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Y5-dnUO1zo_tQ0ra...@comcast.com...
>> slatconsulting wrote:
>>> Tony, can you read? I specifically asked for a PRE-assassination duty
>>> roster for November 22 (wherein Rybka's duties and responsibilities would
>>> have been plainly spelled out), and instead you provide a link to a
>>> worthless Emory Roberts assassination RECAP drafted LATER that night.
>>> This
>> Hey Buddy, can't you read? I was the one who was specifically asked for a
>> PRE-assassination duty roster for November 22. No one has found it.
>> Cover-up or National Security?\
>
> Sashay! Do you realize how ridiculous you look? All these years, your
> "Rybka-QM" theory has been based on ... what? A hunch? Intuition? Wishful
I posted the damn document.
> thinking? You just admitted that you have no definitive proof, be it a
> duty roster or anything else that comes close to approximating it, yet you
> arrogantly cling to baseless conclusions. Also, if you're going to persist
> with this fiction. how's about keeping your story straight? One minute you
> have him stationed on the right running board. Then it's the middle seat.
> Will he be in the trunk by Friday?
>
It is obvious that SS agents changed positions during the motorcade.
>>> isn't a duty roster; it's the ramblings of a confused individual who was
>>> under shock and duress. Just because a rattled Roberts "thought" Rybka
>>> was in the QM doesn't mean he was ASSIGNED to the car to begin with.
>> How could Roberts just "think" that Rybka was in the back seat,
>> specifically the middle, unless Rybka was ASSIGNED to the car to begin
>> with? Did he list Gandhi as riding in the front seat?
>
> So I guess that really "was" Lambchop in the back seat of the limo? Tony,
When? Maybe Lambchop was in the back seat out at Love Field. Not by
Dealey Plaza.
> mortal men make mistakes. You of all people should know. The difference
> between you and Roberts is that he humbly corrected his error. He was also
Roberts covered up the error.
> the eye of an emotional hurricane that day, with a million different
> frantic events unfolding at once. If that's his excuse for sloppiness or
> inaccuracy, what's yours?
>
His earliest report because he knew they needed a cover-up placed Rybka
in the Queen Mary.
>>> Understand? Now, for the last time, find me a duty roster drafted before
>>> 12:30 CT that places Rybka in or on that car. Tick tock.
>>>
>> Capiche? Now, for the last time, find me a duty roster drafted before
>> 12:30 CT that lists all the assigned agents in that car. I'm waiting.
>
> Sorry, but you're the prosecutor of Mr. Roberts, and as such, the burden of
> proof is on you. Get to it, Mr. Garrison.
>
I am not prosecuting anyone.
>>> BTW, you can't be "left behind" if you were supposed to STAY behind all
>>> along, and he was.
>>>
>> Rybka was not supposed to STAY behind. He was not assigned to the airport.
>> He was protective services and routinely rode in the Queen Mary.
>
> Baloney. Agents like Rybka did non-glamorous stuff like crowd and airport
> security all the time. He wasn't special. And in terms of pure numbers,
> not every member of a "protective detail" can fit into one follow-up car.
> Someone will ALWAYS have to stay back, especially when two civilians like
> Powers and O'Donnell are taking up critical space.
>
Powers and O'Donnell took up space only by kicking out the official WH
photographer, Cecil Stoughton so that Powers could take FILM.