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David Von Pein
May 2, 2016, 11:47:58 PM5/2/16
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BRAD MILCH SAID:
I was disappointed in James [DiEugenio's] & Len Osanic's interview from
last night [below]...
https://app.box.com/s/d345nhsyj48t5antrmlr45swhh4nb5am
...in that Mr. DiEugenio points out CBS left out the LHO sidewalk tree &
the curve in Elm Street but forgot the most important detail of
all......no representation for the SS followup car & its agents inside the
car & outside on the two running boards was included in the re-enactment.
IMHO, the public needs to focus on that issue of the vanishing guards &
their car that was left out of the initial SS & FBI filmed re-enactments
starting the week after the assassination & continuing into 1964.
Visit Mr. Von Pein's spectacular video collection & look for the SS
followup car & actor stand in's for the agents in the Government
re-enactments & those conducted by MSM in their TV specials, computer
animators & TV mini-series & movies. You won't find them.
CBS used a portion of the SS film re-enactment & boldly told its audience
that what they were watching was a filmed re-enactment of JFK's murder,
when in fact what the audience was seeing was a car representing JFK's
limo being driven as a solo target down Elm St. with no consideration for
the big & taller obstacle that was directly behind it (Queen Mary) during
the actual ambush.
Line of sight blockage wasn't a problem for an alleged assassin because
Hoover & Rowley's boy removed it from an unsuspecting public that trusted
them.
What Hoover's FBI & Rowley's SS did was like running an ad for a used car
photo in the newspapers & not mentioning the other side of the car (not
visible in the photo) is all smashed in.
I'm beginning to think some JFK researchers are afraid to discuss the
missing SS followup car in the initial re-enactments & those that followed
the past 53 years. I don't believe in tip toeing thru the tulips...I'm
broadcasting it loudly here at the Ed Forum for those afraid to discuss
it.
Someone needs to put a YouTube video on that subject out there. I'm
emailing a couple visualists to help get the word out if the highest
respected researchers are operating under some kind of gag order or fear.
JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
Brad, IMO, the MSM will never ever do a true reconstruction of what the WR
says Oswald did.
They will always leave out something or other.
The key point that I tried to make last night was that, unbeknownst to the
public, CBS had enlarged the target to at least twice as large as it would
be in real life.
So Brad, with all that out there I think anyone of average intelligence
can understand why there has never been a true reconstruction. And CBS had
a fine opportunity to do so.
BRAD MILCH SAID:
Some of the public is gullible, James. They believe whatever the police &
higher up the law enforcement food chain tells them.
The fast one Hoover & Rowley pulled by yanking the guards & their car out
of their re-enactments that CBS & others in MSM followed their example is
still played on the public today. Dale Meyers [sic] used it in his
deceptive computer animation that so impressed Peter Jennings over a
decade ago.
I've got some friends I know working on something for YouTube (I don't
mess with videos).
It's the same with filmmakers....they'll show an actor portraying LHO
firing off his carbine, but won't show the public the line of sight LHO
allegedly had with replicas of the target car & the guards tailgating it
historically & accurately positioned at key points on Elm Street (Z-313
being the most critical, because if there was blockage from the guards or
their car, there could not have been a fatal headshot from that TSBD
window).
All the public knows about the SS guards is what they saw in 'The Smoking
Gun' or that Clint Hill appeared from out of nowhere to jump on the back
of JFK's car to save Jackie. That's about it.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
I don't think I've ever heard a conspiracy theorist complain about the
Secret Service car being removed from any of the re-enactments. But that's
an interesting theory indeed, especially since we know how close the Queen
Mary follow-up car was to JFK's limo on Elm Street.
However, I doubt very much that the agents standing on the running boards
posed any kind of a serious obstacle for Lee Harvey Oswald when he was
shooting at the President from the TSBD. And, Brad, you're surely not
suggesting that the follow-up car ITSELF was in any way blocking the view
of an assassin who was shooting at Kennedy from the sixth floor, are you?
Here's the closest I could come to an actual "re-enactment" in Dealey
Plaza with a car representing the Queen Mary Secret Service car also being
used in the reconstruction. It's from a screen capture I took via the
sixth-floor "Dealey Cam" on October 8, 2015, during the filming of Stephen
King's mini-series "11/22/63". As we can see in this view from the "Oswald
window", the Secret Service car does not get in the way of a shot at
approximately the time of the fatal head shot. However, it's possible that
the SS car should be a little closer to the back bumper of JFK's car here.
The gap between the cars might be just a tad too big in the re-enactment
done here. But it's not too far off. Click to enlarge:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QMZEaA2mPjU/VhcHK0t6vaI/AAAAAAABHlY/T2C_8fPo1_s/s1600/October-8-2015-Filming-Movie-In-Dealey-Plaza--03.png
And here's a video of the 2015 re-enactment:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-rcjDGNFEH_RC00U2pNV0FNc0E/view
BRAD MILCH SAID:
That's pretty good work, David! I'll step aside & let others tell you if
the cars are in the correct places or not on Elm Street. The Queen Mary
can be seen at the Z-313 spot in the Nix, Muchmore & Bronson films.
The height of the Queen Mary & its bulky hood & fat front fenders
specifications are of interest to several folks good with math (I'm not
one of them). I figure that if Stephen King could locate replicas of the
JFK parade car & Queen Mary, someone else should too & get measurements.
Measurements in conjunction with angles & the decline of the street could
possibly answer some questions about the shooting as time goes by.
Now I ask you, David. If someone is going to pay the bucks to put a
replica of JFK's parade car & the Queen Mary & position them as they were
53 years ago, why is [it] so hard for them to show the public what that
looks like from an assassin's line of sight from the sniper's nest?
Wouldn't it help convince more people that the murderer was in that window
if people could see what he saw?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Yes, Brad, it would be nice to see a view from Oswald's window with the SS
car (and its occupants) in the exact place they were in during the
shooting. But in the long run, I doubt very much it would make any
difference from an "Assassin's Line-of-Sight" POV. The SS car wasn't
blocking Oswald's view of any part of JFK's body. And I think the 2015
photo of the Stephen King reconstruction pretty much proves that fact.
Even if you move the SS car up a few more feet, to the point where it's
almost touching the bumper of the President's limousine, I still don't
think that would affect Oswald's line of sight to JFK's head or upper
back. If you disagree, that's fine. But I can't see the SS car or the
agents in it as representing any kind of an obstacle for Oswald to have to
cope with at all. And you're the first person I have ever talked with who
seems to think otherwise.
But, as I said, it is an interesting subject.
BRAD MILCH SAID:
From what I can see, it appears there is clearance over the Queen Mary's
windshield. I suspect Chris Davidson & other visual analysts are working
your re-enactments photos over with a compass, ruler & protractor as I
type this. That means that a shot over that obstacle was possible. It
would have cleared the agents' heads in the front seat by mere inches or
fractions. This demonstrates just how close the shooter came to killing
more people than just JFK. Often the savageness of the crime is left out
of the various theories on how the shooting occurred.
My interest from all this came from an on site visit to Dealey Plaza in
the very early 1970s with a couple of Army buddies. We took turns
standing, squatting or sitting at the Z-313 spot (there was no street X
back then to point it out) while the others pretended to be the Queen Mary
by standing a few feet back (closer to the TSBD). None of us could ever
see the bottom of the sniper's nest window, regardless of what posture we
used or what we sat or stood on (simulating car seats & running boards).
Unscientific, yes, but it was all we had to use for visual tools.
Again, I commend you for creating your re-enactment photos. You corrected
something that's been visually wrong for 53 years. Are you going to allow
other researchers to use your photos if they give you proper credit?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Certainly. No problem. Use them all you want.
If I had known this topic would surface six months later, I would have
created a lot more screen captures of the Stephen King re-enactments.
(They did 17 total run-throughs on October 8th of last year.)
Here's another intriguing photo, which (I think) was taken from the 7th
floor of the Depository (because the sixth-floor sniper's window is
forever sealed off, as you know):
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-luDh9v8TXfU/Vwcy8W-N-oI/AAAAAAABJkE/4wTogiUsTY0azjcleYqVkH200qlBhDK6A/s1600/From-Stephen-King-11-22-63-Mini-Series.png
BRAD MILCH SAID:
@David Von Pein...
Before the crickets set in, I wanted to finish this day off by stating to
you that what you shared with us here at the Education Forum in your 6th
floor Museum box cam JFK ambush re-enactment photos & video is monumental
(in my book). For me personally, it settles an issue that began in late
1974 & has nagged at me ever since. Since that time I believed a shot from
the TSBD 'sniper's nest' was impossible; now I can see that it was
possible. That says it all for me.
By rolling up your trouser legs & wading in the water with us all (and
checking out all sides of the body of water we splash around in from time
to time), you have demonstrated to me that you are a man of high scruples.
If apologies are warranted to you from anything & everything I have ever
said to you in the past in a mean spirited kind of way, I humbly &
sincerely apologize. The truth is all I ever sought in the JFK murder
case; if it's deemed to be on your side of the fence, that's where I'll
quietly graze with the matter kinda settled in my mind.
I wasn't the only one that thought there was more to it than Oswald. Mrs.
Rodgers (my 5th grade elementary school teacher) stayed with the story for
months & thought it all sounded 'fishy' to her. From her lead, it became
'fishy' for a lot of her young students as well.
The Donald needs to drop out of the race IMHO. I'm now voting for you,
David.
Hat off & a salute to you, Distinguished Sir.
Sincerely,
Brad Milch
PS: I can't let Dan Rather or CBS off the hook so easy. For a man who has
a net worth of 70 million dollars, it wouldn't have killed him to put a
replica of the SS Queen Mary behind the Lincoln used in the 1967 CBS TV
specials & let us see what a sniper saw from the infamous window. Dan
could afford it, he had the big bucks.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Brad,
As much as I appreciate your kind words above very much, I can't help but
think that my run for the Presidency in 2016 (after knocking Mr. Trump out
of the race) might be a tad premature. :)
The truth is, Brad, when I captured that image of the motorcade
re-enactment via the Dealey Plaza Cam last October, I was doing it merely
for the sake of pure entertainment. I wasn't attempting to prove any
theory about JFK's assassination. I just seized upon an opportunity to do
a little rubbernecking as the Stephen King film was being shot in the
Plaza. And that "Dealey Cam" is a perfect "spying" tool. So I utilized it.
I stayed at my computer all day long that day, watching President Kennedy
get shot over and over again. And then watched as the limousine carrying
the mortally wounded President circled the Plaza after each filmed
re-enactment, slowly moving east on Main Street, then driving out of sight
in front of the old courthouse as the car moved into position for another
"take". It was nearly dusk when they finally wrapped up the filming in
Dealey Plaza. It was both fascinating and eerie at the same time, watching
that limo round the corner of Main onto Houston 17 different times during
the filming of the Stephen King mini-series.
But if one of my screen captures has inadvertently helped you in any way,
that's great. But the thanks should probably go to Stephen King....and
also to the person who decided to place that permanent camera in the
window of the old Book Depository Building. :)
David Von Pein
April 22, 2016
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22763&page=11#entry328743
I was disappointed in James [DiEugenio's] & Len Osanic's interview from
last night [below]...
https://app.box.com/s/d345nhsyj48t5antrmlr45swhh4nb5am
...in that Mr. DiEugenio points out CBS left out the LHO sidewalk tree &
the curve in Elm Street but forgot the most important detail of
all......no representation for the SS followup car & its agents inside the
car & outside on the two running boards was included in the re-enactment.
IMHO, the public needs to focus on that issue of the vanishing guards &
their car that was left out of the initial SS & FBI filmed re-enactments
starting the week after the assassination & continuing into 1964.
Visit Mr. Von Pein's spectacular video collection & look for the SS
followup car & actor stand in's for the agents in the Government
re-enactments & those conducted by MSM in their TV specials, computer
animators & TV mini-series & movies. You won't find them.
CBS used a portion of the SS film re-enactment & boldly told its audience
that what they were watching was a filmed re-enactment of JFK's murder,
when in fact what the audience was seeing was a car representing JFK's
limo being driven as a solo target down Elm St. with no consideration for
the big & taller obstacle that was directly behind it (Queen Mary) during
the actual ambush.
Line of sight blockage wasn't a problem for an alleged assassin because
Hoover & Rowley's boy removed it from an unsuspecting public that trusted
them.
What Hoover's FBI & Rowley's SS did was like running an ad for a used car
photo in the newspapers & not mentioning the other side of the car (not
visible in the photo) is all smashed in.
I'm beginning to think some JFK researchers are afraid to discuss the
missing SS followup car in the initial re-enactments & those that followed
the past 53 years. I don't believe in tip toeing thru the tulips...I'm
broadcasting it loudly here at the Ed Forum for those afraid to discuss
it.
Someone needs to put a YouTube video on that subject out there. I'm
emailing a couple visualists to help get the word out if the highest
respected researchers are operating under some kind of gag order or fear.
JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
Brad, IMO, the MSM will never ever do a true reconstruction of what the WR
says Oswald did.
They will always leave out something or other.
The key point that I tried to make last night was that, unbeknownst to the
public, CBS had enlarged the target to at least twice as large as it would
be in real life.
So Brad, with all that out there I think anyone of average intelligence
can understand why there has never been a true reconstruction. And CBS had
a fine opportunity to do so.
BRAD MILCH SAID:
Some of the public is gullible, James. They believe whatever the police &
higher up the law enforcement food chain tells them.
The fast one Hoover & Rowley pulled by yanking the guards & their car out
of their re-enactments that CBS & others in MSM followed their example is
still played on the public today. Dale Meyers [sic] used it in his
deceptive computer animation that so impressed Peter Jennings over a
decade ago.
I've got some friends I know working on something for YouTube (I don't
mess with videos).
It's the same with filmmakers....they'll show an actor portraying LHO
firing off his carbine, but won't show the public the line of sight LHO
allegedly had with replicas of the target car & the guards tailgating it
historically & accurately positioned at key points on Elm Street (Z-313
being the most critical, because if there was blockage from the guards or
their car, there could not have been a fatal headshot from that TSBD
window).
All the public knows about the SS guards is what they saw in 'The Smoking
Gun' or that Clint Hill appeared from out of nowhere to jump on the back
of JFK's car to save Jackie. That's about it.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
I don't think I've ever heard a conspiracy theorist complain about the
Secret Service car being removed from any of the re-enactments. But that's
an interesting theory indeed, especially since we know how close the Queen
Mary follow-up car was to JFK's limo on Elm Street.
However, I doubt very much that the agents standing on the running boards
posed any kind of a serious obstacle for Lee Harvey Oswald when he was
shooting at the President from the TSBD. And, Brad, you're surely not
suggesting that the follow-up car ITSELF was in any way blocking the view
of an assassin who was shooting at Kennedy from the sixth floor, are you?
Here's the closest I could come to an actual "re-enactment" in Dealey
Plaza with a car representing the Queen Mary Secret Service car also being
used in the reconstruction. It's from a screen capture I took via the
sixth-floor "Dealey Cam" on October 8, 2015, during the filming of Stephen
King's mini-series "11/22/63". As we can see in this view from the "Oswald
window", the Secret Service car does not get in the way of a shot at
approximately the time of the fatal head shot. However, it's possible that
the SS car should be a little closer to the back bumper of JFK's car here.
The gap between the cars might be just a tad too big in the re-enactment
done here. But it's not too far off. Click to enlarge:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QMZEaA2mPjU/VhcHK0t6vaI/AAAAAAABHlY/T2C_8fPo1_s/s1600/October-8-2015-Filming-Movie-In-Dealey-Plaza--03.png
And here's a video of the 2015 re-enactment:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-rcjDGNFEH_RC00U2pNV0FNc0E/view
BRAD MILCH SAID:
That's pretty good work, David! I'll step aside & let others tell you if
the cars are in the correct places or not on Elm Street. The Queen Mary
can be seen at the Z-313 spot in the Nix, Muchmore & Bronson films.
The height of the Queen Mary & its bulky hood & fat front fenders
specifications are of interest to several folks good with math (I'm not
one of them). I figure that if Stephen King could locate replicas of the
JFK parade car & Queen Mary, someone else should too & get measurements.
Measurements in conjunction with angles & the decline of the street could
possibly answer some questions about the shooting as time goes by.
Now I ask you, David. If someone is going to pay the bucks to put a
replica of JFK's parade car & the Queen Mary & position them as they were
53 years ago, why is [it] so hard for them to show the public what that
looks like from an assassin's line of sight from the sniper's nest?
Wouldn't it help convince more people that the murderer was in that window
if people could see what he saw?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Yes, Brad, it would be nice to see a view from Oswald's window with the SS
car (and its occupants) in the exact place they were in during the
shooting. But in the long run, I doubt very much it would make any
difference from an "Assassin's Line-of-Sight" POV. The SS car wasn't
blocking Oswald's view of any part of JFK's body. And I think the 2015
photo of the Stephen King reconstruction pretty much proves that fact.
Even if you move the SS car up a few more feet, to the point where it's
almost touching the bumper of the President's limousine, I still don't
think that would affect Oswald's line of sight to JFK's head or upper
back. If you disagree, that's fine. But I can't see the SS car or the
agents in it as representing any kind of an obstacle for Oswald to have to
cope with at all. And you're the first person I have ever talked with who
seems to think otherwise.
But, as I said, it is an interesting subject.
BRAD MILCH SAID:
From what I can see, it appears there is clearance over the Queen Mary's
windshield. I suspect Chris Davidson & other visual analysts are working
your re-enactments photos over with a compass, ruler & protractor as I
type this. That means that a shot over that obstacle was possible. It
would have cleared the agents' heads in the front seat by mere inches or
fractions. This demonstrates just how close the shooter came to killing
more people than just JFK. Often the savageness of the crime is left out
of the various theories on how the shooting occurred.
My interest from all this came from an on site visit to Dealey Plaza in
the very early 1970s with a couple of Army buddies. We took turns
standing, squatting or sitting at the Z-313 spot (there was no street X
back then to point it out) while the others pretended to be the Queen Mary
by standing a few feet back (closer to the TSBD). None of us could ever
see the bottom of the sniper's nest window, regardless of what posture we
used or what we sat or stood on (simulating car seats & running boards).
Unscientific, yes, but it was all we had to use for visual tools.
Again, I commend you for creating your re-enactment photos. You corrected
something that's been visually wrong for 53 years. Are you going to allow
other researchers to use your photos if they give you proper credit?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Certainly. No problem. Use them all you want.
If I had known this topic would surface six months later, I would have
created a lot more screen captures of the Stephen King re-enactments.
(They did 17 total run-throughs on October 8th of last year.)
Here's another intriguing photo, which (I think) was taken from the 7th
floor of the Depository (because the sixth-floor sniper's window is
forever sealed off, as you know):
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-luDh9v8TXfU/Vwcy8W-N-oI/AAAAAAABJkE/4wTogiUsTY0azjcleYqVkH200qlBhDK6A/s1600/From-Stephen-King-11-22-63-Mini-Series.png
BRAD MILCH SAID:
@David Von Pein...
Before the crickets set in, I wanted to finish this day off by stating to
you that what you shared with us here at the Education Forum in your 6th
floor Museum box cam JFK ambush re-enactment photos & video is monumental
(in my book). For me personally, it settles an issue that began in late
1974 & has nagged at me ever since. Since that time I believed a shot from
the TSBD 'sniper's nest' was impossible; now I can see that it was
possible. That says it all for me.
By rolling up your trouser legs & wading in the water with us all (and
checking out all sides of the body of water we splash around in from time
to time), you have demonstrated to me that you are a man of high scruples.
If apologies are warranted to you from anything & everything I have ever
said to you in the past in a mean spirited kind of way, I humbly &
sincerely apologize. The truth is all I ever sought in the JFK murder
case; if it's deemed to be on your side of the fence, that's where I'll
quietly graze with the matter kinda settled in my mind.
I wasn't the only one that thought there was more to it than Oswald. Mrs.
Rodgers (my 5th grade elementary school teacher) stayed with the story for
months & thought it all sounded 'fishy' to her. From her lead, it became
'fishy' for a lot of her young students as well.
The Donald needs to drop out of the race IMHO. I'm now voting for you,
David.
Hat off & a salute to you, Distinguished Sir.
Sincerely,
Brad Milch
PS: I can't let Dan Rather or CBS off the hook so easy. For a man who has
a net worth of 70 million dollars, it wouldn't have killed him to put a
replica of the SS Queen Mary behind the Lincoln used in the 1967 CBS TV
specials & let us see what a sniper saw from the infamous window. Dan
could afford it, he had the big bucks.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Brad,
As much as I appreciate your kind words above very much, I can't help but
think that my run for the Presidency in 2016 (after knocking Mr. Trump out
of the race) might be a tad premature. :)
The truth is, Brad, when I captured that image of the motorcade
re-enactment via the Dealey Plaza Cam last October, I was doing it merely
for the sake of pure entertainment. I wasn't attempting to prove any
theory about JFK's assassination. I just seized upon an opportunity to do
a little rubbernecking as the Stephen King film was being shot in the
Plaza. And that "Dealey Cam" is a perfect "spying" tool. So I utilized it.
I stayed at my computer all day long that day, watching President Kennedy
get shot over and over again. And then watched as the limousine carrying
the mortally wounded President circled the Plaza after each filmed
re-enactment, slowly moving east on Main Street, then driving out of sight
in front of the old courthouse as the car moved into position for another
"take". It was nearly dusk when they finally wrapped up the filming in
Dealey Plaza. It was both fascinating and eerie at the same time, watching
that limo round the corner of Main onto Houston 17 different times during
the filming of the Stephen King mini-series.
But if one of my screen captures has inadvertently helped you in any way,
that's great. But the thanks should probably go to Stephen King....and
also to the person who decided to place that permanent camera in the
window of the old Book Depository Building. :)
David Von Pein
April 22, 2016
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22763&page=11#entry328743
bigdog
May 4, 2016, 12:17:29 AM5/4/16
to
Oswald's line of sight to JFK must be partaking in some serious
recreational pharmaceuticals. If I am misunderstanding what Brad Milch is
saying regarding Dan Rather I'll apologize in advance. He seems to be
saying that in the 1967 CBS reenactment Dan Rather should have footed the
bill for a Queen Mary substitute. Dan Rather may be worth $70M today but
wasn't close to that in 1967. He had been a reporter with the local CBS
affiliate in Dallas the day of the assassination and it was largely
because of his work on that story that he landed a network job. In 1967 he
was well down the totem pole of CBS correspondents and wouldn't have been
commanding a large salary. He was the correspondent on that special but I
doubt he was the producer so it wouldn't have been up to him to foot the
bill for a substitute Queen Mary. I'm not in the habit of defending Dan
Rather but in this case I feel it is justified.
Anthony Marsh
May 4, 2016, 1:38:26 PM5/4/16
to
On 5/2/2016 11:47 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
> BRAD MILCH SAID:
>
> I was disappointed in James [DiEugenio's] & Len Osanic's interview from
> last night [below]...
>
> https://app.box.com/s/d345nhsyj48t5antrmlr45swhh4nb5am
>
> ...in that Mr. DiEugenio points out CBS left out the LHO sidewalk tree &
> the curve in Elm Street but forgot the most important detail of
> all......no representation for the SS followup car & its agents inside the
> car & outside on the two running boards was included in the re-enactment.
> IMHO, the public needs to focus on that issue of the vanishing guards &
> their car that was left out of the initial SS & FBI filmed re-enactments
> starting the week after the assassination & continuing into 1964.
>
The presence and placement of the SS would have no impact on any
> BRAD MILCH SAID:
>
> I was disappointed in James [DiEugenio's] & Len Osanic's interview from
> last night [below]...
>
> https://app.box.com/s/d345nhsyj48t5antrmlr45swhh4nb5am
>
> ...in that Mr. DiEugenio points out CBS left out the LHO sidewalk tree &
> the curve in Elm Street but forgot the most important detail of
> all......no representation for the SS followup car & its agents inside the
> car & outside on the two running boards was included in the re-enactment.
> IMHO, the public needs to focus on that issue of the vanishing guards &
> their car that was left out of the initial SS & FBI filmed re-enactments
> starting the week after the assassination & continuing into 1964.
>
reenactment. If some reenactment had placed standins in the same places as
the SS agents, this guy would complain that it's flawed because the
original SS agents were not used.
They did not and could not block any shots.
> Visit Mr. Von Pein's spectacular video collection & look for the SS
> followup car & actor stand in's for the agents in the Government
> re-enactments & those conducted by MSM in their TV specials, computer
> animators & TV mini-series & movies. You won't find them.
>
> CBS used a portion of the SS film re-enactment & boldly told its audience
> that what they were watching was a filmed re-enactment of JFK's murder,
> when in fact what the audience was seeing was a car representing JFK's
> limo being driven as a solo target down Elm St. with no consideration for
> the big & taller obstacle that was directly behind it (Queen Mary) during
> the actual ambush.
>
> Line of sight blockage wasn't a problem for an alleged assassin because
> Hoover & Rowley's boy removed it from an unsuspecting public that trusted
> them.
>
> What Hoover's FBI & Rowley's SS did was like running an ad for a used car
> photo in the newspapers & not mentioning the other side of the car (not
> visible in the photo) is all smashed in.
>
> I'm beginning to think some JFK researchers are afraid to discuss the
> missing SS followup car in the initial re-enactments & those that followed
> the past 53 years. I don't believe in tip toeing thru the tulips...I'm
> broadcasting it loudly here at the Ed Forum for those afraid to discuss
> it.
>
thousands of times.
> Someone needs to put a YouTube video on that subject out there. I'm
> emailing a couple visualists to help get the word out if the highest
> respected researchers are operating under some kind of gag order or fear.
>
>
> JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
>
> Brad, IMO, the MSM will never ever do a true reconstruction of what the WR
> says Oswald did.
>
> They will always leave out something or other.
>
changed over the years.
> The key point that I tried to make last night was that, unbeknownst to the
> public, CBS had enlarged the target to at least twice as large as it would
> be in real life.
>
theories. Someone already complained. Doesn't mean you have to answer it.
> an interesting theory indeed, especially since we know how close the Queen
> Mary follow-up car was to JFK's limo on Elm Street.
>
> However, I doubt very much that the agents standing on the running boards
> posed any kind of a serious obstacle for Lee Harvey Oswald when he was
any shots.
> shooting at the President from the TSBD. And, Brad, you're surely not
> suggesting that the follow-up car ITSELF was in any way blocking the view
> of an assassin who was shooting at Kennedy from the sixth floor, are you?
>
> Here's the closest I could come to an actual "re-enactment" in Dealey
> Plaza with a car representing the Queen Mary Secret Service car also being
> used in the reconstruction. It's from a screen capture I took via the
> sixth-floor "Dealey Cam" on October 8, 2015, during the filming of Stephen
> King's mini-series "11/22/63". As we can see in this view from the "Oswald
> window", the Secret Service car does not get in the way of a shot at
> approximately the time of the fatal head shot. However, it's possible that
> the SS car should be a little closer to the back bumper of JFK's car here.
> The gap between the cars might be just a tad too big in the re-enactment
> done here. But it's not too far off. Click to enlarge:
>
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QMZEaA2mPjU/VhcHK0t6vaI/AAAAAAABHlY/T2C_8fPo1_s/s1600/October-8-2015-Filming-Movie-In-Dealey-Plaza--03.png
>
> And here's a video of the 2015 re-enactment:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-rcjDGNFEH_RC00U2pNV0FNc0E/view
>
>
limo and SS car behind it.
http://www.the-puzzle-palace.com/mortal_error_bronson.jpg
Anthony Marsh
May 4, 2016, 10:39:42 PM5/4/16
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that show? Do you understand what CBS is and how much money they have?
> wasn't close to that in 1967. He had been a reporter with the local CBS
> affiliate in Dallas the day of the assassination and it was largely
> because of his work on that story that he landed a network job. In 1967 he
> was well down the totem pole of CBS correspondents and wouldn't have been
> commanding a large salary. He was the correspondent on that special but I
> doubt he was the producer so it wouldn't have been up to him to foot the
> bill for a substitute Queen Mary. I'm not in the habit of defending Dan
> Rather but in this case I feel it is justified.
>
>
Queen Mary. Some other kid made a replica of the Lincoln on his own.
David Von Pein
May 6, 2016, 12:41:17 AM5/6/16
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TONY MARSH SAID:
No sane person is talking about one person paying for a replica of the
Queen Mary.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
No sane person is talking about one person paying for a replica of the
Queen Mary.
You're wrong, Tony. CTer Brad Milch was suggesting exactly that very
(preposterous) thing in a post at Edu. Forum last month. (Or perhaps you
were suggesting that Mr. Milch is not a "sane person". Is that it?)
[Quote On:]
"PS: I can't let Dan Rather or CBS off the hook so easy. For a man who has
a net worth of 70 million dollars, it wouldn't have killed him to put a
replica of the SS Queen Mary behind the Lincoln used in the 1967 CBS TV
specials & let us see what a sniper saw from the infamous window. Dan
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22763&page=11#entry328754
[Quote Off.]
Of course, just exactly *how* Dan Rather would have been able to wedge a
SS replica car into a re-creation which was being done on a MOVING TRACK
is anybody's guess.
I guess Milch thinks the whole "moving track" idea should have been
scrapped entirely, and two expensive replica vehicles should have been
used instead.
And, for some silly reason, Milch thinks that *Dan Rather
himself*--personally!--should have paid for the whole nine yards. A very
odd concept indeed. ~shrug~
Anthony Marsh
May 6, 2016, 11:12:27 PM5/6/16
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On 5/6/2016 12:41 AM, David Von Pein wrote:
> TONY MARSH SAID:
>
> No sane person is talking about one person paying for a replica of the
> Queen Mary.
>
>
> DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
>
> You're wrong, Tony. CTer Brad Milch was suggesting exactly that very
> (preposterous) thing in a post at Edu. Forum last month. (Or perhaps you
> were suggesting that Mr. Milch is not a "sane person". Is that it?)
>
> [Quote On:]
>
> "PS: I can't let Dan Rather or CBS off the hook so easy. For a man who has
> a net worth of 70 million dollars, it wouldn't have killed him to put a
> replica of the SS Queen Mary behind the Lincoln used in the 1967 CBS TV
> specials & let us see what a sniper saw from the infamous window. Dan
> could afford it, he had the big bucks." -- Brad Milch; April 22, 2016
>
> http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22763&page=11#entry328754
>
> [Quote Off.]
>
> Of course, just exactly *how* Dan Rather would have been able to wedge a
> SS replica car into a re-creation which was being done on a MOVING TRACK
> is anybody's guess.
>
No guessing needed. Hollywood does it every day.
> TONY MARSH SAID:
>
> No sane person is talking about one person paying for a replica of the
> Queen Mary.
>
>
> DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
>
> You're wrong, Tony. CTer Brad Milch was suggesting exactly that very
> (preposterous) thing in a post at Edu. Forum last month. (Or perhaps you
> were suggesting that Mr. Milch is not a "sane person". Is that it?)
>
> [Quote On:]
>
> "PS: I can't let Dan Rather or CBS off the hook so easy. For a man who has
> a net worth of 70 million dollars, it wouldn't have killed him to put a
> replica of the SS Queen Mary behind the Lincoln used in the 1967 CBS TV
> specials & let us see what a sniper saw from the infamous window. Dan
> could afford it, he had the big bucks." -- Brad Milch; April 22, 2016
>
> http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22763&page=11#entry328754
>
> [Quote Off.]
>
> Of course, just exactly *how* Dan Rather would have been able to wedge a
> SS replica car into a re-creation which was being done on a MOVING TRACK
> is anybody's guess.
>
> I guess Milch thinks the whole "moving track" idea should have been
> scrapped entirely, and two expensive replica vehicles should have been
> used instead.
>
> And, for some silly reason, Milch thinks that *Dan Rather
> himself*--personally!--should have paid for the whole nine yards. A very
> odd concept indeed. ~shrug~
>
the fool that he is, but don't make up ridiculous stuff.
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