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The Chain Of Custody For CE399
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David Von Pein
Jun 27, 2014, 11:18:11 PM6/27/14
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The memo seen at the link below was written by Secret Service Chief James
Rowley on December 19, 1963. I found it in Warren Commission Document No.
320 today.
It could be of some use (at least in a small way) to firm up the chain of
possession a little bit for Stretcher Bullet CE399, via Rowley's written
confirmation that the bullet went from O.P Wright at Parkland to Secret
Service agent Richard Johnsen and then to SS agent Elmer Todd (apparently
with Rowley himself handling the bullet between Johnsen and Todd, although
Rowley doesn't mention that fact in this memorandum, but Elmer Todd
definitely confirms it via Todd's written remarks on the envelope).
This memo is the first piece of evidence I think I've ever seen that was
written by James Rowley *himself* concerning the handling of the stretcher
bullet:
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-secret-service-and-ce399.html#CD320-Rowley-Memo
Rowley on December 19, 1963. I found it in Warren Commission Document No.
320 today.
It could be of some use (at least in a small way) to firm up the chain of
possession a little bit for Stretcher Bullet CE399, via Rowley's written
confirmation that the bullet went from O.P Wright at Parkland to Secret
Service agent Richard Johnsen and then to SS agent Elmer Todd (apparently
with Rowley himself handling the bullet between Johnsen and Todd, although
Rowley doesn't mention that fact in this memorandum, but Elmer Todd
definitely confirms it via Todd's written remarks on the envelope).
This memo is the first piece of evidence I think I've ever seen that was
written by James Rowley *himself* concerning the handling of the stretcher
bullet:
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-secret-service-and-ce399.html#CD320-Rowley-Memo
BT George
Jun 28, 2014, 11:29:09 AM6/28/14
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Small link yes David, but very good as you have shown that Todd's remarks
about receiving the bullet in an envelope from Rowley are mutually
corroborative with Rowleys signed statement.
Congratulations on another find!
BT George
about receiving the bullet in an envelope from Rowley are mutually
corroborative with Rowleys signed statement.
Congratulations on another find!
BT George
mainframetech
Jun 28, 2014, 5:26:39 PM6/28/14
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stretcher at Parkland. That stretcher (gurney) was used by a young boy
and that information was tracked down by Isaiah Thompson. From there it
doesn't matter what happened to the bullet, since it wasn't involved in
the murder case. However, Rowley, the Chief of the Secret Service was in
a 'cover up' mode since the murder, since his people had failed in their
job of protecting the president.
As well, we have the research done by John Hunt as to the chain of
custody of CE399, which was broken a few times along the way:
http://www.jfklancer.com/hunt/phantom.htm
http://www.jfklancer.com/hunt/mystery.html
We should also remember that there was a question about the chain early
on, and it was decided that they would take the CE399 bullet out and have
it RE-identified by 4 of the men that handled it after it was found. All
4 men would not identify the bullet, and one of them noted that it was the
wrong shape, that the bullet that was being shown was 'round-nosed',
whereas the original bullet was 'pointy-nosed'. That is suggestive of the
CE399 being replaced early on with a bullet from testing the MC rifle.
And the man who was part of the testing procedure the very next day, was
also the person that was responsible for the custody of the various
bullets and fragments that had been found.
There is NO chance that the CE399 bullet had anything whatsoever to do
with the murder of JFK, and it had never hit or hurt anyone.
Chris
David Von Pein
Jun 28, 2014, 5:29:45 PM6/28/14
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Correcting an error in my first post above....
"SS agent Elmer Todd" should, of course, say "FBI agent Elmer Todd".
"SS agent Elmer Todd" should, of course, say "FBI agent Elmer Todd".
mainframetech
Jun 28, 2014, 8:39:27 PM6/28/14
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CE399 is no part of the JFK case, since it was found on the WRONG
stretcher (gurney) at Parkland. http://www.jfklancer.com/hunt/phantom.htm
And Rowley was in CYA mode at the time. He said a number of things in
memos, some of it wrong.
It's amazing how the LNs can totally ignore documentation that proves
their case invalid.
Chris
David Von Pein
Jun 28, 2014, 9:21:04 PM6/28/14
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Mainframe's silly post re: CE399 is straight out of the laughable "CTer's
Fantasy Guide To The Assassination Of President Kennedy".
So old. So crazy. So tiresome. And oh so very incorrect. But, at least the
ABO CTers seem to enjoy trotting it out every month or so.
For a much more logical view of CE Three-Niner-Niner....
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/04/index.html#CE399
Fantasy Guide To The Assassination Of President Kennedy".
So old. So crazy. So tiresome. And oh so very incorrect. But, at least the
ABO CTers seem to enjoy trotting it out every month or so.
For a much more logical view of CE Three-Niner-Niner....
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/04/index.html#CE399
Bud
Jun 28, 2014, 9:25:32 PM6/28/14
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On Saturday, June 28, 2014 5:26:39 PM UTC-4, mainframetech wrote:
> On Friday, June 27, 2014 11:18:11 PM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
>
> > The memo seen at the link below was written by Secret Service Chief James
>
> >
>
> > Rowley on December 19, 1963. I found it in Warren Commission Document No.
>
> >
>
> > 320 today.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > It could be of some use (at least in a small way) to firm up the chain of
>
> >
>
> > possession a little bit for Stretcher Bullet CE399, via Rowley's written
>
> >
>
> > confirmation that the bullet went from O.P Wright at Parkland to Secret
>
> >
>
> > Service agent Richard Johnsen and then to SS agent Elmer Todd (apparently
>
> >
>
> > with Rowley himself handling the bullet between Johnsen and Todd, although
>
> >
>
> > Rowley doesn't mention that fact in this memorandum, but Elmer Todd
>
> >
>
> > definitely confirms it via Todd's written remarks on the envelope).
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > This memo is the first piece of evidence I think I've ever seen that was
>
> >
>
> > written by James Rowley *himself* concerning the handling of the stretcher
>
> >
>
> > bullet:
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> > http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-secret-service-and-ce399.html#CD320-Rowley-Memo
>
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>
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>
>
> Another effort to cover up the foolish planting of a bullet on the WRONG
>
> stretcher at Parkland.
Amazing you can be so sure of this when the person who actually found it
> On Friday, June 27, 2014 11:18:11 PM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
>
> > The memo seen at the link below was written by Secret Service Chief James
>
> >
>
> > Rowley on December 19, 1963. I found it in Warren Commission Document No.
>
> >
>
> > 320 today.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > It could be of some use (at least in a small way) to firm up the chain of
>
> >
>
> > possession a little bit for Stretcher Bullet CE399, via Rowley's written
>
> >
>
> > confirmation that the bullet went from O.P Wright at Parkland to Secret
>
> >
>
> > Service agent Richard Johnsen and then to SS agent Elmer Todd (apparently
>
> >
>
> > with Rowley himself handling the bullet between Johnsen and Todd, although
>
> >
>
> > Rowley doesn't mention that fact in this memorandum, but Elmer Todd
>
> >
>
> > definitely confirms it via Todd's written remarks on the envelope).
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > This memo is the first piece of evidence I think I've ever seen that was
>
> >
>
> > written by James Rowley *himself* concerning the handling of the stretcher
>
> >
>
> > bullet:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-secret-service-and-ce399.html#CD320-Rowley-Memo
>
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>
>
> Another effort to cover up the foolish planting of a bullet on the WRONG
>
> stretcher at Parkland.
swore under oath that he wasn`t.
> That stretcher (gurney) was used by a young boy
>
> and that information was tracked down by Isaiah Thompson. From there it
>
> doesn't matter what happened to the bullet, since it wasn't involved in
>
> the murder case. However, Rowley, the Chief of the Secret Service was in
>
> a 'cover up' mode since the murder, since his people had failed in their
>
> job of protecting the president.
>
>
> As well, we have the research done by John Hunt as to the chain of
>
> custody of CE399, which was broken a few times along the way:
>
>
>
> http://www.jfklancer.com/hunt/phantom.htm
>
> http://www.jfklancer.com/hunt/mystery.html
>
>
>
> We should also remember that there was a question about the chain early
>
> on, and it was decided that they would take the CE399 bullet out and have
>
> it RE-identified by 4 of the men that handled it after it was found. All
>
> 4 men would not identify the bullet,
positively that it was.
> and one of them noted that it was the
>
> wrong shape,
shape between the two men?
> that the bullet that was being shown was 'round-nosed',
>
> whereas the original bullet was 'pointy-nosed'. That is suggestive of the
>
> CE399 being replaced early on with a bullet from testing the MC rifle.
>
> And the man who was part of the testing procedure the very next day, was
>
> also the person that was responsible for the custody of the various
>
> bullets and fragments that had been found.
>
>
>
> There is NO chance that the CE399 bullet had anything whatsoever to do
>
> with the murder of JFK, and it had never hit or hurt anyone.
were rigged with explosives on 9-11, so you can see what his figuring is
worth.
>
>
> Chris
Bud
Jun 28, 2014, 9:25:52 PM6/28/14
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On Friday, June 27, 2014 11:18:11 PM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
of the bullet or just scratches in the bullet?
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/e/e7/Photo_naraevid_CE399-3.jpg
OHLeeRedux
Jun 28, 2014, 9:26:35 PM6/28/14
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mainframetech
Another effort to cover up the foolish planting of a bullet on the WRONG
stretcher at Parkland. That stretcher (gurney) was used by a young boy
wrong shape, that the bullet that was being shown was 'round-nosed',
Oh brother. You cannot possibly believe that nonsense.
Another effort to cover up the foolish planting of a bullet on the WRONG
and that information was tracked down by Isaiah Thompson. From there it
doesn't matter what happened to the bullet, since it wasn't involved in
the murder case. However, Rowley, the Chief of the Secret Service was in
a 'cover up' mode since the murder, since his people had failed in their
job of protecting the president.
doesn't matter what happened to the bullet, since it wasn't involved in
the murder case. However, Rowley, the Chief of the Secret Service was in
a 'cover up' mode since the murder, since his people had failed in their
job of protecting the president.
As well, we have the research done by John Hunt as to the chain of
custody of CE399, which was broken a few times along the way:
http://www.jfklancer.com/hunt/phantom.htm
http://www.jfklancer.com/hunt/mystery.html
We should also remember that there was a question about the chain early
on, and it was decided that they would take the CE399 bullet out and have
it RE-identified by 4 of the men that handled it after it was found. All
4 men would not identify the bullet, and one of them noted that it was the
custody of CE399, which was broken a few times along the way:
http://www.jfklancer.com/hunt/phantom.htm
http://www.jfklancer.com/hunt/mystery.html
We should also remember that there was a question about the chain early
on, and it was decided that they would take the CE399 bullet out and have
it RE-identified by 4 of the men that handled it after it was found. All
wrong shape, that the bullet that was being shown was 'round-nosed',
whereas the original bullet was 'pointy-nosed'. That is suggestive of the
CE399 being replaced early on with a bullet from testing the MC rifle.
And the man who was part of the testing procedure the very next day, was
also the person that was responsible for the custody of the various
bullets and fragments that had been found.
There is NO chance that the CE399 bullet had anything whatsoever to do
with the murder of JFK, and it had never hit or hurt anyone.
Chris
CE399 being replaced early on with a bullet from testing the MC rifle.
And the man who was part of the testing procedure the very next day, was
also the person that was responsible for the custody of the various
bullets and fragments that had been found.
There is NO chance that the CE399 bullet had anything whatsoever to do
with the murder of JFK, and it had never hit or hurt anyone.
Oh brother. You cannot possibly believe that nonsense.
HERCULE POIROT
Jun 28, 2014, 10:12:46 PM6/28/14
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On Saturday, June 28, 2014 5:29:45 PM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
> Correcting an error in my first post above....
>
>
>
> "SS agent Elmer Todd" should, of course, say "FBI agent Elmer Todd".
"SS agent Elmer Todd" was of course "FBI agent Elmer Todd's " double.
> Correcting an error in my first post above....
>
>
>
> "SS agent Elmer Todd" should, of course, say "FBI agent Elmer Todd".
tims...@gmail.com
Jun 28, 2014, 10:13:22 PM6/28/14
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BTW, found those *missing* WC exhibits yet?
Concerned Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
*...NOT ONE of the three experts was able to strike the head or the
neck of the target EVEN ONCE.* (Emphasis added).
Mark Lane, Rush to Judgment, page 129, footnoted as: XVII 261-262.
And yet here IS WC XVII 261-262, showing hits to the head...
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0144a.htm
X marks the spot where Mark Lane lied!
Sandy McCroskey
Jun 29, 2014, 12:58:27 PM6/29/14
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tims...@gmail.com
Jun 29, 2014, 12:59:18 PM6/29/14
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archives in 2004 is a very good evidence trail, DVP.
Great find!
mainframetech
Jun 29, 2014, 4:24:22 PM6/29/14
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On Saturday, June 28, 2014 10:13:22 PM UTC-4, tims...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 June 2014 10:39:27 UTC+10, mainframetech wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, June 28, 2014 11:29:09 AM UTC-4, BT George wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Small link yes David, but very good as you have shown that Todd's remarks
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > about receiving the bullet in an envelope from Rowley are mutually
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > corroborative with Rowleys signed statement.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
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> > >
>
> >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > > Congratulations on another find!
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> >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > BT George
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> > Not much of a find given the information I supplied just above. The
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> >
>
> > CE399 is no part of the JFK case, since it was found on the WRONG
>
> >
>
> > stretcher (gurney) at Parkland. http://www.jfklancer.com/hunt/phantom.htm
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > And Rowley was in CYA mode at the time. He said a number of things in
>
> >
>
> > memos, some of it wrong.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > It's amazing how the LNs can totally ignore documentation that proves
>
> >
>
> > their case invalid.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Chris
>
>
>
> Is Isaiah Thompson any relation to Josiah Thompson?
>
>
>
> BTW, found those *missing* WC exhibits yet?
>
>
>
> Concerned Regards,
>
>
>
> Tim Brennan
>
> Sydney, Australia
>
My apologies. Josiah "Tink" Thompson is the correct spelling of his
> On Sunday, 29 June 2014 10:39:27 UTC+10, mainframetech wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, June 28, 2014 11:29:09 AM UTC-4, BT George wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Small link yes David, but very good as you have shown that Todd's remarks
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > about receiving the bullet in an envelope from Rowley are mutually
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > corroborative with Rowleys signed statement.
>
> >
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> > >
>
> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > > Congratulations on another find!
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> > >
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> > > BT George
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> > Not much of a find given the information I supplied just above. The
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> >
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> > CE399 is no part of the JFK case, since it was found on the WRONG
>
> >
>
> > stretcher (gurney) at Parkland. http://www.jfklancer.com/hunt/phantom.htm
>
> >
>
> >
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> >
>
> > And Rowley was in CYA mode at the time. He said a number of things in
>
> >
>
> > memos, some of it wrong.
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> > It's amazing how the LNs can totally ignore documentation that proves
>
> >
>
> > their case invalid.
>
> >
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> >
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> >
>
> > Chris
>
>
>
> Is Isaiah Thompson any relation to Josiah Thompson?
>
>
>
> BTW, found those *missing* WC exhibits yet?
>
>
>
> Concerned Regards,
>
>
>
> Tim Brennan
>
> Sydney, Australia
>
name.
And you are aware that I have responded to the discussion of the
'missing items' on the exhibit list I showed. And my comment about the
one that seemed to be mislabeled.
Chris
Robert Harris
Jun 29, 2014, 4:24:52 PM6/29/14
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David Von Pein wrote:
> The memo seen at the link below was written by Secret Service Chief James
> Rowley on December 19, 1963. I found it in Warren Commission Document No.
> 320 today.
>
> It could be of some use (at least in a small way) to firm up the chain of
> possession a little bit for Stretcher Bullet CE399, via Rowley's written
> confirmation that the bullet went from O.P Wright at Parkland to Secret
> Service agent Richard Johnsen and then to SS agent Elmer Todd (apparently
> with Rowley himself handling the bullet between Johnsen and Todd, although
> Rowley doesn't mention that fact in this memorandum, but Elmer Todd
> definitely confirms it via Todd's written remarks on the envelope).
Why are you confirming what no one disputes, David?
> The memo seen at the link below was written by Secret Service Chief James
> Rowley on December 19, 1963. I found it in Warren Commission Document No.
> 320 today.
>
> It could be of some use (at least in a small way) to firm up the chain of
> possession a little bit for Stretcher Bullet CE399, via Rowley's written
> confirmation that the bullet went from O.P Wright at Parkland to Secret
> Service agent Richard Johnsen and then to SS agent Elmer Todd (apparently
> with Rowley himself handling the bullet between Johnsen and Todd, although
> Rowley doesn't mention that fact in this memorandum, but Elmer Todd
> definitely confirms it via Todd's written remarks on the envelope).
Why don't you instead, explain why neither Johnsen or Todd's initials
are on CE399?
http://jfkhistory.com/bell/bellarticle/initials.png
Or why the FBI woke Daryl Tomlinson up in the wee hours of the morning,
telling him to keep his mouth shout about the bullet he found, less than
two hours after they received fragments from the limo, that were large
enough to compare with the bullet he found?
http://jfkhistory.com/bell/bellarticle/fraziernotes.jpg
Strange, isn't it that there is NO record of the feds claiming his
bullet matched those fragments, even long after they had them to compare?
Or perhaps you will tell us about the bullet that Gov. Connally saw,
fall from his stretcher, which was recovered by a nurse? Can you also
explain why both DA Wade and officer Nolan heard that nurse confirm that
the bullet came from his "gurney"?
Wade delivered that bullet to the DPD on the night of the 22nd. It
couldn't possible have been the one that Tomlinson found.
Robert Harris
Robert Harris
Jun 29, 2014, 4:25:16 PM6/29/14
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mainframetech wrote:
> On Friday, June 27, 2014 11:18:11 PM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
>> The memo seen at the link below was written by Secret Service Chief James
>>
>> Rowley on December 19, 1963. I found it in Warren Commission Document No.
>>
>> 320 today.
>>
>>
>>
>> It could be of some use (at least in a small way) to firm up the chain of
>>
>> possession a little bit for Stretcher Bullet CE399, via Rowley's written
>>
>> confirmation that the bullet went from O.P Wright at Parkland to Secret
>>
>> Service agent Richard Johnsen and then to SS agent Elmer Todd (apparently
>>
>> with Rowley himself handling the bullet between Johnsen and Todd, although
>>
>> Rowley doesn't mention that fact in this memorandum, but Elmer Todd
>>
>> definitely confirms it via Todd's written remarks on the envelope).
>>
>>
>>
>> This memo is the first piece of evidence I think I've ever seen that was
>>
>> written by James Rowley *himself* concerning the handling of the stretcher
>>
>> bullet:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-secret-service-and-ce399.html#CD320-Rowley-Memo
>
>
>
>
> Another effort to cover up the foolish planting of a bullet on the WRONG
> stretcher at Parkland. That stretcher (gurney) was used by a young boy
> and that information was tracked down by Isaiah Thompson. From there it
> doesn't matter what happened to the bullet, since it wasn't involved in
> the murder case.
This makes no sense. Obviously, that bullet was not CE399.
> On Friday, June 27, 2014 11:18:11 PM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
>> The memo seen at the link below was written by Secret Service Chief James
>>
>> Rowley on December 19, 1963. I found it in Warren Commission Document No.
>>
>> 320 today.
>>
>>
>>
>> It could be of some use (at least in a small way) to firm up the chain of
>>
>> possession a little bit for Stretcher Bullet CE399, via Rowley's written
>>
>> confirmation that the bullet went from O.P Wright at Parkland to Secret
>>
>> Service agent Richard Johnsen and then to SS agent Elmer Todd (apparently
>>
>> with Rowley himself handling the bullet between Johnsen and Todd, although
>>
>> Rowley doesn't mention that fact in this memorandum, but Elmer Todd
>>
>> definitely confirms it via Todd's written remarks on the envelope).
>>
>>
>>
>> This memo is the first piece of evidence I think I've ever seen that was
>>
>> written by James Rowley *himself* concerning the handling of the stretcher
>>
>> bullet:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-secret-service-and-ce399.html#CD320-Rowley-Memo
>
>
>
>
> Another effort to cover up the foolish planting of a bullet on the WRONG
> stretcher at Parkland. That stretcher (gurney) was used by a young boy
> and that information was tracked down by Isaiah Thompson. From there it
> doesn't matter what happened to the bullet, since it wasn't involved in
> the murder case.
But why would someone plant a bullet that was not connected to Oswald's
rifle?
If you REALLY want to understand this, read this article. I promise you,
it will be worth the effort.
http://jfkhistory.com/bell/bellarticle/BellArticle.html
Robert Harris
David Von Pein
Jun 29, 2014, 4:25:36 PM6/29/14
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ABO = Anybody But Oswald.
mainframetech
Jun 29, 2014, 10:57:02 PM6/29/14
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> Oh brother. You cannot possibly believe that nonsense.
Easier to believe than your comments that come out with NO backup of
any kind...:)
Chris
mainframetech
Jun 29, 2014, 10:57:48 PM6/29/14
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been said. I've put forward documentary evidence related to the chain of
custody of CE399, including it's being found on the WRONG gurney at
Parkland, and one bit of it has been proven incorrect, nor has ANY proof
of ANYTHING been shown to cover the usual LN fantasies. It makes one
wonder why anyone would believe such baloney, since much of it was made up
by lawyers for the WC.
Chris
HERCULE POIROT
Jun 29, 2014, 11:09:55 PM6/29/14
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Sandy McCroskey
Jun 29, 2014, 11:54:35 PM6/29/14
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On 6/29/14 4:25 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
> ABO = Anybody But Oswald.
>
Oh, of course. The heat must be getting to me.
> ABO = Anybody But Oswald.
>
cmikes
Jun 30, 2014, 7:17:26 PM6/30/14
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that some CTs have almost no interest in JFK as long as Oswald in proven
completely innocent baffles me.
Anthony Marsh
Jul 1, 2014, 2:22:19 PM7/1/14
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Which bit?
Anthony Marsh
Jul 1, 2014, 7:01:21 PM7/1/14
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this way and then protects you by forbidding me from saying you lot
hated Kennedy and are only here to protect the CIA.
Sandy McCroskey
Jul 1, 2014, 8:35:22 PM7/1/14
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cmikes
Jul 1, 2014, 8:38:04 PM7/1/14
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post in this newsgroup is directed at you personally, no matter what your
paranoia tells you.
And I think I've established that I didn't hate JFK. He may not have been
the best president, but I think he was slightly better than average. And
I'm certainly not a defender of the CIA. I think at best they're a bunch
of bureaucratic chairwarmers who are a lot more concerned about how they
sound in the papers as an "anonymous government source" than in actually
defending the country from attack. At worst, they're a bunch of
progressive footsoldiers out to subvert and destroy the Constitution and
our democratic republic.
Anthony Marsh
Jul 2, 2014, 4:12:16 PM7/2/14
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On 7/1/2014 8:38 PM, cmikes wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:01:21 PM UTC-4, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 6/30/2014 7:17 PM, cmikes wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:54:35 PM UTC-4, Sandy McCroskey wrote:
>>
>>>> On 6/29/14 4:25 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> ABO = Anybody But Oswald.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Oh, of course. The heat must be getting to me.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> To me, that's one of the most fascinating things about the case. The fact
>>
>>> that some CTs have almost no interest in JFK as long as Oswald in proven
>>
>>> completely innocent baffles me.
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Strange that McAdams encourages you to insult ALL conspiracy believers
>>
>> this way and then protects you by forbidding me from saying you lot
>> hated Kennedy and are only here to protect the CIA.
>
> Do you not understand the meaning of the word "some", Tony? Not every
> post in this newsgroup is directed at you personally, no matter what your
> paranoia tells you.
>
Your newsreader is malfunctioning. I said ALL, not me.
> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:01:21 PM UTC-4, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 6/30/2014 7:17 PM, cmikes wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:54:35 PM UTC-4, Sandy McCroskey wrote:
>>
>>>> On 6/29/14 4:25 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> ABO = Anybody But Oswald.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Oh, of course. The heat must be getting to me.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> To me, that's one of the most fascinating things about the case. The fact
>>
>>> that some CTs have almost no interest in JFK as long as Oswald in proven
>>
>>> completely innocent baffles me.
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Strange that McAdams encourages you to insult ALL conspiracy believers
>>
>> this way and then protects you by forbidding me from saying you lot
>> hated Kennedy and are only here to protect the CIA.
>
> Do you not understand the meaning of the word "some", Tony? Not every
> post in this newsgroup is directed at you personally, no matter what your
> paranoia tells you.
>
> And I think I've established that I didn't hate JFK. He may not have been
speaking about groups.
But if you knew how to Google you'd find a message from your side where
the poster said that his only regret was that he wasn't on the grassy
knoll to fired the fatal shot. And our resident war monger keeps saying
that JFK started the Vietnam War. Tonight after Obama sent in more troops
MSNBC compared it to Eisenhower sending troops to South Vietnam a few
hundred at a time. And reminded us that JFK would not have escalated the
war, but would have brought them home if he hadn't been assassinated.
Eisenhower is the one who escalated the war.
Bud
Jul 2, 2014, 4:24:29 PM7/2/14
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Anthony Marsh
Jul 2, 2014, 5:35:30 PM7/2/14
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I am not allowed to call you a liar.
Sandy McCroskey
Jul 2, 2014, 9:38:25 PM7/2/14
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Anthony Marsh
Jul 3, 2014, 4:29:30 PM7/3/14
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Anthony Marsh
Jul 5, 2014, 9:08:13 PM7/5/14
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On 6/27/2014 11:18 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
> The memo seen at the link below was written by Secret Service Chief James
> Rowley on December 19, 1963. I found it in Warren Commission Document No.
> 320 today.
>
> It could be of some use (at least in a small way) to firm up the chain of
> possession a little bit for Stretcher Bullet CE399, via Rowley's written
> confirmation that the bullet went from O.P Wright at Parkland to Secret
> Service agent Richard Johnsen and then to SS agent Elmer Todd (apparently
> with Rowley himself handling the bullet between Johnsen and Todd, although
> Rowley doesn't mention that fact in this memorandum, but Elmer Todd
> definitely confirms it via Todd's written remarks on the envelope).
>
> This memo is the first piece of evidence I think I've ever seen that was
> written by James Rowley *himself* concerning the handling of the stretcher
> bullet:
>
> http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-secret-service-and-ce399.html#CD320-Rowley-Memo
>
I know you don't like to call your own WC sources liars, but do you really
> The memo seen at the link below was written by Secret Service Chief James
> Rowley on December 19, 1963. I found it in Warren Commission Document No.
> 320 today.
>
> It could be of some use (at least in a small way) to firm up the chain of
> possession a little bit for Stretcher Bullet CE399, via Rowley's written
> confirmation that the bullet went from O.P Wright at Parkland to Secret
> Service agent Richard Johnsen and then to SS agent Elmer Todd (apparently
> with Rowley himself handling the bullet between Johnsen and Todd, although
> Rowley doesn't mention that fact in this memorandum, but Elmer Todd
> definitely confirms it via Todd's written remarks on the envelope).
>
> This memo is the first piece of evidence I think I've ever seen that was
> written by James Rowley *himself* concerning the handling of the stretcher
> bullet:
>
> http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-secret-service-and-ce399.html#CD320-Rowley-Memo
>
think Rowley was telling the truth when he said the bullet "was found
amongst the clothes on one of the stretchers"? No one has ever reported
finding the bullet amongst the clothes. So do you think Rowley did not
understand what was said to him or picked up rumors? Or do you think this
was a calculated LIE to try to link Q-1 to Connally's stretcher?
Remember that Connally's clothes were not left on his stretcher when it
was left near the elevator. Or do you think he means during the surgery?
If it does mean near the elevator it can't be Connally's stretcher. One
candidate is Ronnie Fuller whose clothes had been left on his stretcher.
This plays into the notion that some moron was told to plant CE 399 on
JFK's stretcher and he picked the only stretcher that had clothes on it,
not noticing that they were a little boy's clothes. But I think that all
of that doesn't matter, because the Magic Bullet wasn't found on any
stretcher. It was found on the floor, not on a stretcher. But Rowley does
not say that. So either his source is confused or he didn't hear it
correctly or he LIED to frame Oswald, hoping that this bullet is the one
that killed President Kennedy.
David Von Pein
Jul 5, 2014, 11:31:18 PM7/5/14
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ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
Do you really think Rowley was telling the truth when he said the bullet
You're just nitpicking here, Tony, and you know it.
James Rowley's memo in CD320 corroborates the chain of custody of ONE
bullet found on a stretcher at Parkland Memorial Hospital --- from
Wright....to Johnsen....to Rowley/Todd (although, as I mentioned before,
Rowley never says in CD320 that he HIMSELF [Rowley] ever took possession
of the bullet, but Todd confirmed that fact in other documents):
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-secret-service-and-ce399.html#CD320-Rowley-Memo
But Tony Marsh would rather nitpick Rowley's use of the word "clothes"
rather than admit that Commission Document No. 320 does a nice job (at
least in printed/document form) of shoring up the chain of custody for the
Parkland Stretcher Bullet.
ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
One candidate is Ronnie Fuller whose clothes had been left on his
stretcher.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Got a source link for that claim regarding Fuller's clothes being left on
a stretcher, Tony? Never heard that one before.
In fact, come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen any official
documents that prove that the stretcher occupied by the young boy named
Ronald Fuller was actually in the same corridor of Parkland Hospital with
that of Connally's stretcher.
As far as I am aware, it has never been confirmed or proven that it was
young Mr. Fuller's stretcher that was in the Parkland first-floor corridor
on November 22, 1963. And "Reclaiming History" author Vince Bugliosi
doesn't think such a thing has been proven either.
Quoting Mr. Bugliosi....
"Author Josiah Thompson wrote in his 1967 book 'Six Seconds in Dallas'
that the bullet was "very likely found on a stretcher used for a cut and
bleeding two-and-one-half-year-old child" (Thompson, 'Six Seconds in
Dallas', p.161), a reference to Ronald Fuller, who was admitted to
Parkland's emergency room fourteen minutes after the president and
governor.
Fuller, who was bleeding profusely from a fall, was treated briefly on a
stretcher in a hallway near the nurses' station before being carried into
Major Medicine for further attention.
Whether Fuller's bloodied stretcher was then rolled thirty feet into the
elevator corridor, where Tomlinson might have encountered it, is unknown.
Thompson, who three pages earlier considers the act "very likely," is
forced to acknowledge, "We do not know for certain that it was Ronnie
Fuller's stretcher on which CE399 subsequently was found. . . As with most
aspects of this case, final certainty again eludes us" (Thompson, 'Six
Seconds in Dallas', p.164).
Thompson doesn't address the issue of why a 6.5-millimeter
Mannlicher-Carcano bullet, the exact type used to kill Kennedy and injure
Connally, would have any conceivable reason for ending up not on Kennedy's
or Connally's stretcher, but the stretcher of an infant.
Indeed, he doesn't ask himself why any kind of bullet would end up on the
child's stretcher when the child wasn't shot, unless, that is, Thompson
wants us to believe that the sophisticated framers of Oswald goofed on a
rather mundane duty, planting the bullet on the wrong stretcher." --
Vincent Bugliosi; Page 431 of Endnotes in "Reclaiming History"
ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
But I think that all of that doesn't matter, because the Magic Bullet
wasn't found on any stretcher. It was found on the floor, not on a
stretcher.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Dead wrong. The bullet never fell to the floor. That fact was confirmed
when Darrell Tomlinson was asked that exact question ("The bullet didn't
actually fall to the floor, did it?") by Raymond Marcus on July 25, 1966
(see Page 2 of the Marcus/Tomlinson transcript below):
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/12/marcus-tomlinson-interview-7-25-66.html
Do you really think Rowley was telling the truth when he said the bullet
"was found amongst the clothes on one of the stretchers"?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
You're just nitpicking here, Tony, and you know it.
James Rowley's memo in CD320 corroborates the chain of custody of ONE
bullet found on a stretcher at Parkland Memorial Hospital --- from
Wright....to Johnsen....to Rowley/Todd (although, as I mentioned before,
Rowley never says in CD320 that he HIMSELF [Rowley] ever took possession
of the bullet, but Todd confirmed that fact in other documents):
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-secret-service-and-ce399.html#CD320-Rowley-Memo
But Tony Marsh would rather nitpick Rowley's use of the word "clothes"
rather than admit that Commission Document No. 320 does a nice job (at
least in printed/document form) of shoring up the chain of custody for the
Parkland Stretcher Bullet.
ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
One candidate is Ronnie Fuller whose clothes had been left on his
stretcher.
Got a source link for that claim regarding Fuller's clothes being left on
a stretcher, Tony? Never heard that one before.
In fact, come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen any official
documents that prove that the stretcher occupied by the young boy named
Ronald Fuller was actually in the same corridor of Parkland Hospital with
that of Connally's stretcher.
As far as I am aware, it has never been confirmed or proven that it was
young Mr. Fuller's stretcher that was in the Parkland first-floor corridor
on November 22, 1963. And "Reclaiming History" author Vince Bugliosi
doesn't think such a thing has been proven either.
Quoting Mr. Bugliosi....
"Author Josiah Thompson wrote in his 1967 book 'Six Seconds in Dallas'
that the bullet was "very likely found on a stretcher used for a cut and
bleeding two-and-one-half-year-old child" (Thompson, 'Six Seconds in
Dallas', p.161), a reference to Ronald Fuller, who was admitted to
Parkland's emergency room fourteen minutes after the president and
governor.
Fuller, who was bleeding profusely from a fall, was treated briefly on a
stretcher in a hallway near the nurses' station before being carried into
Major Medicine for further attention.
Whether Fuller's bloodied stretcher was then rolled thirty feet into the
elevator corridor, where Tomlinson might have encountered it, is unknown.
Thompson, who three pages earlier considers the act "very likely," is
forced to acknowledge, "We do not know for certain that it was Ronnie
Fuller's stretcher on which CE399 subsequently was found. . . As with most
aspects of this case, final certainty again eludes us" (Thompson, 'Six
Seconds in Dallas', p.164).
Thompson doesn't address the issue of why a 6.5-millimeter
Mannlicher-Carcano bullet, the exact type used to kill Kennedy and injure
Connally, would have any conceivable reason for ending up not on Kennedy's
or Connally's stretcher, but the stretcher of an infant.
Indeed, he doesn't ask himself why any kind of bullet would end up on the
child's stretcher when the child wasn't shot, unless, that is, Thompson
wants us to believe that the sophisticated framers of Oswald goofed on a
rather mundane duty, planting the bullet on the wrong stretcher." --
Vincent Bugliosi; Page 431 of Endnotes in "Reclaiming History"
ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
But I think that all of that doesn't matter, because the Magic Bullet
wasn't found on any stretcher. It was found on the floor, not on a
stretcher.
Dead wrong. The bullet never fell to the floor. That fact was confirmed
when Darrell Tomlinson was asked that exact question ("The bullet didn't
actually fall to the floor, did it?") by Raymond Marcus on July 25, 1966
(see Page 2 of the Marcus/Tomlinson transcript below):
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/12/marcus-tomlinson-interview-7-25-66.html
SHERLOCK HOLMES
Jul 6, 2014, 8:59:03 AM7/6/14
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mainframetech
Jul 6, 2014, 4:04:16 PM7/6/14
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On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:31:18 PM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
> ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
>
>
>
> Do you really think Rowley was telling the truth when he said the bullet
>
> "was found amongst the clothes on one of the stretchers"?
>
>
>
>
>
> DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
>
>
>
> You're just nitpicking here, Tony, and you know it.
>
>
>
> James Rowley's memo in CD320 corroborates the chain of custody of ONE
>
> bullet found on a stretcher at Parkland Memorial Hospital --- from
>
> Wright....to Johnsen....to Rowley/Todd (although, as I mentioned before,
>
> Rowley never says in CD320 that he HIMSELF [Rowley] ever took possession
>
> of the bullet, but Todd confirmed that fact in other documents):
>
>
>
> http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-secret-service-and-ce399.html#CD320-Rowley-Memo
>
>
>
> But Tony Marsh would rather nitpick Rowley's use of the word "clothes"
>
> rather than admit that Commission Document No. 320 does a nice job (at
>
> least in printed/document form) of shoring up the chain of custody for the
>
> Parkland Stretcher Bullet.
>
Nope, won't do. It does a terrible job of "shoring up" the chain. You
>
>
>
> Do you really think Rowley was telling the truth when he said the bullet
>
> "was found amongst the clothes on one of the stretchers"?
>
>
>
>
>
> DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
>
>
>
> You're just nitpicking here, Tony, and you know it.
>
>
>
> James Rowley's memo in CD320 corroborates the chain of custody of ONE
>
> bullet found on a stretcher at Parkland Memorial Hospital --- from
>
> Wright....to Johnsen....to Rowley/Todd (although, as I mentioned before,
>
> Rowley never says in CD320 that he HIMSELF [Rowley] ever took possession
>
> of the bullet, but Todd confirmed that fact in other documents):
>
>
>
> http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-secret-service-and-ce399.html#CD320-Rowley-Memo
>
>
>
> But Tony Marsh would rather nitpick Rowley's use of the word "clothes"
>
> rather than admit that Commission Document No. 320 does a nice job (at
>
> least in printed/document form) of shoring up the chain of custody for the
>
> Parkland Stretcher Bullet.
>
failed to make note that Josiah Thompson discovered that the bullet was
found on the WRONG stretcher/gurney at Parkland. That stretcher/gurney
was used by a young boy who had been brought into the ER earlier.
Another interesting item is that Nurse Diana Bowron stated that she had
cleared the stretcher/gurney that JFK was on of ALL items of linen, blood,
etc. She cleaned it completely and pushed it over out of the way, empty
of anything, so no gurney in the hall was from JFK. Tomlinson said that
the gurneys he saw in the hall had things on them.
The Connally surgery came up with a bullet that a nurse brought out of
the operating room, and asked what she should do with it, She was told to
give it to the authorities, and that was the end of that bullet. But what
are the odds that a SECOND bullet was found on a Connally
stretcher/gurney? Nope, didn't happen. So there was NO chain of custody
to maintain, since the bullet was planted and not legitimately from any
victim in the assassination.
Of course, we also have the complete failure to maintain the chain of
custody by the FBI as told by researcher John Hunt:
http://www.jfklancer.com/hunt/phantom.htm
http://www.jfklancer.com/hunt/mystery.html
>
>
>
>
> ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
>
>
>
> One candidate is Ronnie Fuller whose clothes had been left on his
>
> stretcher.
>
>
>
>
>
> DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
>
>
>
> Got a source link for that claim regarding Fuller's clothes being left on
>
> a stretcher, Tony? Never heard that one before.
>
>
>
> In fact, come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen any official
>
> documents that prove that the stretcher occupied by the young boy named
>
> Ronald Fuller was actually in the same corridor of Parkland Hospital with
>
> that of Connally's stretcher.
>
>
>
> As far as I am aware, it has never been confirmed or proven that it was
>
> young Mr. Fuller's stretcher that was in the Parkland first-floor corridor
>
> on November 22, 1963. And "Reclaiming History" author Vince Bugliosi
>
> doesn't think such a thing has been proven either.
>
the one who discovered the information about the young boy. Check him
out.
stretchers/gurneys, we have the information that Tomlinson made it clear
that he found the bullet on the WRONG stretcher, which you may still have
trouble proving came from the Connally surgery.
Here's the video of Tomlinson describing what happened when he found
the bullet. Skip forward to 1:10 to see Tomlinson explaining:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKwqhf0MYio
And here is Tomlinson's drawing that goes with his WC testimony:
http://jfkhistory.com/bell/bellarticle/stretcherdiagram.jpg
All that means nothing anyway, since a bullet was found in the Connally
stretcher/gurney and was brought out of the operating room by a nurse who
wanted to know what to do with it. Since that was one bullet, a SECOND
bullet found later in the hallway on some stretcher/gurney would be
ridiculously coincidental.
Chris
FSHG
Jul 6, 2014, 6:19:56 PM7/6/14
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Vietnam in 1950.
Eisenhower (R) slowly increased the levels of our advisors/troops from
1953 through 1960 to 900.
Kennedy (D) dramatically increased the levels of American troops 1778%,
from 900 on his inaugural day, to 16,000 by January 1, 1963.
Johnson (D), starting after his Gulf of Tonkin LIES, doubled-down on
Kennedy and increased the level of American troops to 536,100 (an increase
of 3351% since JFK) from 1964 through 1968.
Beginning in 1950, Under President Truman, American military advisors
arrived in what was then French Indochina. U.S. involvement escalated in
the early 1960s, with troop levels tripling in 1961 and again in 1962.[1]
The domino theory, which argued that if one country fell to communism,
then all of the surrounding countries would follow, was first proposed as
policy by the Eisenhower administration.[2]
John F. Kennedy, then a U.S. Senator, said in a speech to the American
Friends of Vietnam: "Burma, Thailand, India, Japan, the Philippines and
obviously Laos and Cambodia are among those whose security would be
threatened if the Red Tide of Communism overflowed into Vietnam."[3]
Kennedy advisers Maxwell Taylor and Walt Rostow recommended that U.S.
troops be sent to South Vietnam disguised as flood relief workers. Kennedy
rejected the idea but increased military assistance yet again. In April
1962, John Kenneth Galbraith warned Kennedy of the "danger we shall
replace the French as a colonial force in the area and bleed as the French
did."[4]
By 1963, there were 16,000 American advisors/troops in South Vietnam, up
from Eisenhower's 900 advisors.[5]
1. Vietnam War Statistics and Facts 1, 25th Aviation Battalion website.
2. Robert McNamara. "Argument Without End," 1999, p. 19.
3. John F. Kennedy. "America's Stakes in Vietnam". Speech to the American
Friends of Vietnam, June 1956.
4. John Kenneth Galbraith. "Memorandum to President Kennedy from John
Kenneth Galbraith on Vietnam, 4 April 1962." The Pentagon Papers. Gravel.
ed. Boston, Massachusetts Beacon Press, 1971, vol. 2. pp. 669-671.
5. "Vietnam War". Swarthmore College Peace Collection.
David Von Pein
Jul 6, 2014, 7:33:42 PM7/6/14
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Darrell Tomlinson told the WC at least ten times that he "wasn't sure"
which stretcher he took off the elevator.
Naturally, CTers will totally ignore that "I'm not sure" testimony in
favor of Darrell's 1988 version on PBS-TV.
which stretcher he took off the elevator.
Naturally, CTers will totally ignore that "I'm not sure" testimony in
favor of Darrell's 1988 version on PBS-TV.
Bud
Jul 6, 2014, 7:48:51 PM7/6/14
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On Sunday, July 6, 2014 4:04:16 PM UTC-4, mainframetech wrote:
> On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:31:18 PM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
>
> > ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Do you really think Rowley was telling the truth when he said the bullet
>
> >
>
> > "was found amongst the clothes on one of the stretchers"?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
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> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > You're just nitpicking here, Tony, and you know it.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > James Rowley's memo in CD320 corroborates the chain of custody of ONE
>
> >
>
> > bullet found on a stretcher at Parkland Memorial Hospital --- from
>
> >
>
> > Wright....to Johnsen....to Rowley/Todd (although, as I mentioned before,
>
> >
>
> > Rowley never says in CD320 that he HIMSELF [Rowley] ever took possession
>
> >
>
> > of the bullet, but Todd confirmed that fact in other documents):
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-secret-service-and-ce399.html#CD320-Rowley-Memo
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > But Tony Marsh would rather nitpick Rowley's use of the word "clothes"
>
> >
>
> > rather than admit that Commission Document No. 320 does a nice job (at
>
> >
>
> > least in printed/document form) of shoring up the chain of custody for the
>
> >
>
> > Parkland Stretcher Bullet.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Nope, won't do. It does a terrible job of "shoring up" the chain. You
>
> failed to make note that Josiah Thompson discovered that the bullet was
>
> found on the WRONG stretcher/gurney at Parkland.
Was he there? the guy that was there said this under oath...
> On Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:31:18 PM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
>
> > ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Do you really think Rowley was telling the truth when he said the bullet
>
> >
>
> > "was found amongst the clothes on one of the stretchers"?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > You're just nitpicking here, Tony, and you know it.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > James Rowley's memo in CD320 corroborates the chain of custody of ONE
>
> >
>
> > bullet found on a stretcher at Parkland Memorial Hospital --- from
>
> >
>
> > Wright....to Johnsen....to Rowley/Todd (although, as I mentioned before,
>
> >
>
> > Rowley never says in CD320 that he HIMSELF [Rowley] ever took possession
>
> >
>
> > of the bullet, but Todd confirmed that fact in other documents):
>
> >
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> >
>
> >
>
> > http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-secret-service-and-ce399.html#CD320-Rowley-Memo
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > But Tony Marsh would rather nitpick Rowley's use of the word "clothes"
>
> >
>
> > rather than admit that Commission Document No. 320 does a nice job (at
>
> >
>
> > least in printed/document form) of shoring up the chain of custody for the
>
> >
>
> > Parkland Stretcher Bullet.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Nope, won't do. It does a terrible job of "shoring up" the chain. You
>
> failed to make note that Josiah Thompson discovered that the bullet was
>
> found on the WRONG stretcher/gurney at Parkland.
Mr. SPECTER. What did the Secret Service man ask you about?
Mr. TOMLINSON. Approximately the same thing, only, we've gone into more
detail here.
Mr. SPECTER. What did you tell the Secret Service man about which
stretcher you took off of the elevator?
Mr. TOMLINSON. I told him that I was not sure, and I am not--I'm not sure
of it, but as I said, I would be going against the oath which I took a
while ago, because I am definitely not sure.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you remember if you told the Secret Service man which
stretcher you thought you took off of the elevator?
Mr. TOMLINSON. Well, we talked about taking a stretcher off of the
elevator, but then when it comes down on an oath, I wouldn't say for sure,
I really don't remember.
Mr. SPECTER. And do you recollect whether or not you told the Secret
Service man which stretcher you took off of the elevator?
Mr. TOMLINSON. What do you mean?
Mr. SPECTER. You say you can't really take an oath today to be sure
whether it was stretcher A or stretcher B that you took off the elevator?
Mr. TOMLINSON. Well, today or any other day, I'm just not sure of it,
whether it was A or B that I took off.
Anthony Marsh
Jul 6, 2014, 7:50:40 PM7/6/14
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Can you quote all the statistics on how much money was made off the
Vietnam War?
SHERLOCK HOLMES
Jul 6, 2014, 9:52:59 PM7/6/14
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Anthony Marsh
Jul 6, 2014, 9:54:06 PM7/6/14
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mainframetech
Jul 7, 2014, 2:16:55 PM7/7/14
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about the WRONG gurney being where the bullet was found. And coupled with
that was his drawing of the hallway and the gurneys he dealt with:
http://jfkhistory.com/bell/bellarticle/stretcherdiagram.jpg
The above drawing that Tomlinson made matches his WC testimony. He was
sure in what he was saying, though the lawyer doing the questioning tried
to get him to say he wasn't sure, which he did. But later on his own and
not harassed by any lawyers, he stated that what we know to be the WRONG
stretcher was where the bullet came from.
Not only was that true, but there was already a bullet that was found
by a nurse that came out of the Connally surgery. It would be highly
improbable for there to be yet another bullet associated with Connally to
pop up.
The bullet found on the gurney in the hallway of Parkland hospital was
a plant to allow there to be a match with the MC rifle to be associated
with the bodies of JFK and JSC. It was critical that certain evidence be
constructed to blame Oswald for the murder.
Chris
David Von Pein
Jul 7, 2014, 10:21:46 PM7/7/14
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Tomlinson has done multiple flip-flops over the years regarding the
stretchers, as we can easily see in these two interviews....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pog1b4y6oz8
The best explanation is the one Tomlinson provided at least ten times
during his Warren Commission testimony -- he just flat-out wasn't sure
which stretcher was which.
stretchers, as we can easily see in these two interviews....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pog1b4y6oz8
The best explanation is the one Tomlinson provided at least ten times
during his Warren Commission testimony -- he just flat-out wasn't sure
which stretcher was which.
Bud
Jul 7, 2014, 10:22:16 PM7/7/14
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On Monday, July 7, 2014 2:16:55 PM UTC-4, mainframetech wrote:
> On Sunday, July 6, 2014 7:33:42 PM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
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> > Darrell Tomlinson told the WC at least ten times that he "wasn't sure"
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> > which stretcher he took off the elevator.
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> > Naturally, CTers will totally ignore that "I'm not sure" testimony in
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> > favor of Darrell's 1988 version on PBS-TV.
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> Ah...you seemed to have forgotten that his WC testimony was also sure
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> about the WRONG gurney being where the bullet was found. And coupled with
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> that was his drawing of the hallway and the gurneys he dealt with:
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> http://jfkhistory.com/bell/bellarticle/stretcherdiagram.jpg
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> The above drawing that Tomlinson made matches his WC testimony. He was
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> sure in what he was saying, though the lawyer doing the questioning tried
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> to get him to say he wasn't sure, which he did. But later on his own and
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> not harassed by any lawyers, he stated that what we know to be the WRONG
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> stretcher was where the bullet came from.
You are saying that Tomlinson was lying when he said under oath that he
> On Sunday, July 6, 2014 7:33:42 PM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
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> > Darrell Tomlinson told the WC at least ten times that he "wasn't sure"
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> >
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> > which stretcher he took off the elevator.
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> >
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> > Naturally, CTers will totally ignore that "I'm not sure" testimony in
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> > favor of Darrell's 1988 version on PBS-TV.
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> Ah...you seemed to have forgotten that his WC testimony was also sure
>
> about the WRONG gurney being where the bullet was found. And coupled with
>
> that was his drawing of the hallway and the gurneys he dealt with:
>
> http://jfkhistory.com/bell/bellarticle/stretcherdiagram.jpg
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>
>
> The above drawing that Tomlinson made matches his WC testimony. He was
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> sure in what he was saying, though the lawyer doing the questioning tried
>
> to get him to say he wasn't sure, which he did. But later on his own and
>
> not harassed by any lawyers, he stated that what we know to be the WRONG
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> stretcher was where the bullet came from.
wasn`t sure which stretcher he found the bullet on?
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> Not only was that true, but there was already a bullet that was found
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> by a nurse that came out of the Connally surgery. It would be highly
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> improbable for there to be yet another bullet associated with Connally to
>
> pop up.
>
>
>
> The bullet found on the gurney in the hallway of Parkland hospital was
>
> a plant to allow there to be a match with the MC rifle to be associated
>
> with the bodies of JFK and JSC. It was critical that certain evidence be
>
> constructed to blame Oswald for the murder.
>
>
> Chris
mainframetech
Jul 8, 2014, 7:39:35 PM7/8/14
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"Mr. SPECTER. Now, would you mark in ink with my pen the stretcher which
you pushed off of the elevator?
Mr. TOMLINSON. I think that it was this one right here (indicating).
Mr. SPECTER. Will you draw the outline of it in ink and mark an "A" right
in the center of that?"
The stretcher that was pushed off the elevator is the one that the LNs
keep trying to say came from the Connally surgery, which was actually used
by a young boy named 'Ronnie Fuller'.
Here is the drawing that Tomlinson made during his WC testimony of the
hallway and the 2 stretchers at Parkland. He states in testimony:
"Mr. TOMLINSON. I bumped the wall and a spent cartridge or bullet rolled
out that apparently had been lodged under the edge of the mat.
Mr. SPECTER. And that was from which stretcher?
Mr. TOMLINSON. I believe that it was "B"."
Note that I'm quoting what Tomlinson FIRST said in his testimony. And
what he said was that the "B" stretcher was the one with the bullet and
had been left in the hallway, and he also said that the "A" stretcher came
from the elevator, which the LNs (using wishful thinking) would like to be
from the Connally surgery. Either way, the bullet was found on the WRONG
stretcher.
After Tomlinson says what he thinks about which stretcher the bullet
was on, the lawyer reminds him that they had talked before the testimony
that it was stretcher "A", and Tomlinson corrects him, and say a second
time that it was the "B" stretcher that had the bullet:
"Mr. SPECTER. And at the time we started our discussion, it was your
recollection at that point that the bullet came off of stretcher A,
was it not?
Mr. TOMLINSON. B.
Mr. SPECTER. Pardon me, stretcher B, but it was stretcher A that you took
off of the elevator.
Mr. TOMLINSON. I believe that's right."
At that point the lawyer does whatever he can to get Tomlinson to change
his testimony, and it's obvious what he wants Tomlinson to say.
Tomlinson says he's not sure a number of times after the lawyer begins
harassing him.
So Tomlinson's first and second statements of where the bullet were
puts it on the WRONG stretcher.
Tomlinson's most recent video from a NOVA special goes along with his
testimony to the WC.
Chris
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