The public.
> Social Security is a "contributory" program. People pay in the
> expectation that they will received benefits.
>
You don't get a choice of how much to contribute.
It is automatically taken out of your paycheck.
> Now, it's not an actuarially sound program. It's "pay as you go."
>
All insurance programs are paid for by people who do not yet benefit
from them, but expect to.
> But the people who draw benefits are not freeloaders.
>
But the extreme rightwingers like to call all recipients freeloaders.
>> We had to pay a lot of taxes for Social Security Insurance and Medicaid.
>> It was taken out of our paychecks every week. You guys didn't give it to
>> us and we didn't steal it from you. It is OUR money, not YOURS.
>>
>
> So you are speaking as a recipient.
I am a beneficiary of programs that I paid my taxes into.
>
> OK, except that the program is going to have to be trimmed back a bit.
>
>
>>> The problem was somewhat fixed in the 1990s, with welfare reform, but
>>> only after dependency had done massive damage to family structure.
>>>
>>> Any welfare programs need to have strong work requirements.
>>>
>>
>> Silly. A mother with 3 young children can not even afford the cost of
>> babysitting and axes to work full time. You want her to work full time and
>> leave her kids alone? What kind of person are you?
>>
>
> Somebody who knows something about policy.
So you want her to work full time and leave her kids home alone?
>
> Welfare reform in the 1990s provided for childcare for mothers on
> welfare who were forced to get a job.
>
Was it your rightwing hero Ronald Reagan who did that?
As I said before, you still have to pay either for the welfare or the
daycare.
So indeed you believe in government support for poor people.
You just want to keep them poor to have a need for government agencies
to control that money. And giant banks to make trillions of dollars
controlling the money.
> Last time I checked, Wisconsin spent more on childcare for mothers on
> welfare than for welfare benefits.
>
So you think that is better. It's still the same money.
>
>> Who pays for the daycare. Certainly not the company which barely pays
>> minimum wage. So you want the government to pay for the daycare so that
>> she can work? Same money, just a different recipient.
>>
>
> Work is a good thing in all sorts of way, Tony.
>
I don't know how to explain this to a person of your ilk, but some
people actually volunteer to work without pay for causes they believe in.
> .John
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