Jack Bell, Earwitness

[John McAdams]

http://www.cjr.org/fiftieth_anniversary/the_assassination_the_reporter.php

I know Dave Von Pein quotes Bell saying that the shots came from above
and to the right.

This account is consistent with that.

Dave, can you give me a cite on Bell?

.John
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[David Von Pein]

>>> "Dave, can you give me a cite on Bell?" <<<

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=5dYhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=l54FAAAAIBAJ&pg=4948%2C4514365

[John McAdams]

On 22 Oct 2012 22:42:05 -0400, David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com>
wrote:

>
>>>> "Dave, can you give me a cite on Bell?" <<<
>
>http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=5dYhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=l54FAAAAIBAJ&pg=4948%2C4514365

Splendid!

I notice you have posted an essay that lists other media people who
aren't on my list.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/earwitnesses.htm

Would you be willing to post them, along with the the citations?

.John
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[David Von Pein]

>>> "I notice you have posted an essay that lists other media people who aren't on my list. Would you be willing to post them, along with the citations?" <<<

.John,

Most of these sources aren't really what you're looking for (since you
want sources leading to the "direction" of the shots, and these
sources relate mostly to the "number of shots" these people heard),
but I'm going to post this stuff anyway. Maybe you'll find it useful
in some way:

Jay Watson and Jerry Haynes (WFAA-TV)(Part 1 at 3:30 and Part 3 at
7:45):
http://dvp-video-audio-archive.blogspot.com/2012/03/jfk-assassination-wfaa-tv.html

Merriman Smith (UPI):
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2012/10/merriman-smith.html

Pierce Allman (WFAA-Radio):
http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2011/05/pierce-allman.html

Hugh Sidey (Time Magazine)(7:04 of Part 1):
http://dvp-video-audio-archive.blogspot.com/2012/03/president-kennedy-has-been-shot.html

Mal Couch (WFAA-TV):
http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2011/05/mal-couch.html

Bob Clark (ABC)(the 25:00 mark of this 1996 video):
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/72668-1

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Note to .John --

You've already got Couch and Clark listed on your site, but I included
additional sources for both of those witnesses above. I tried to find
a source for Robert MacNeil re the direction of the shots, but I
haven't found one yet.

RELATED LINK:
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/09/dealey-plaza-earwitnesses.html

[John Reagor King]

In article <831c88l2fudbsrsce...@4ax.com>,

John McAdams <john.m...@marquette.edu> wrote:

> On 22 Oct 2012 22:42:05 -0400, David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>>> "Dave, can you give me a cite on Bell?" <<<
> >
> >http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=5dYhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=l54FAAAAIBAJ&pg=4948%2
> >C4514365
>
> Splendid!
>
> I notice you have posted an essay that lists other media people who
> aren't on my list.
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/earwitnesses.htm
>
> Would you be willing to post them, along with the the citations?

Hmmm, this wasn't directed to me, but I've already got quite a few who
aren't on that list, in preparation for my new major article on the
earwitnesses. Some cites for them have already been posted by me in
"Anthony Marsh says I can't do this ;-)" and more are to come. Hugh
Aynesworth definitely needs to be on your list, as do Aurelia Alonzo,
Thomas Atkins, Ann Atterberry, Robert Baskin, Mark Bell, Ernest Brandt,
Jack Brooks, Margaret Brown, Mike Brownlow, Peggy Burney, Henry Burroughs,
Francine Burrows, Frank Cancellare, Edna Case, Bob Clark, J.W. Courson,
Robert Croft, and Ann Donaldson. A couple of these are questionable as
far as contemporaneous documentation regarding them really being there
that day, but most of them are solid in that regard.

[Anthony Marsh]

Make sure that you only quote the Warren Commission testimony. Don't
look for affidavits. Don't watch or listen to any TV or radio
interviews. Don't read any books.

[Robert Harris]

In article
<b86e639b-f6ab-42cf...@j18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,

David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com> wrote:

Bell's earliest statement was reported by the NY Times,

"There was a loud bang as though a giant firecracker had exploded in the
caverns between the tall buildings we were just leaving behind us. In
quick succession there were two other loud reports."

NY Times 11/23/63


His perception seems to have changed after he was told that the sniper
was in the depository - more proof that you always want the earliest
recollection.



Robert Harris

[Anthony Marsh]

So what? Never rely on witnesses.

>
> Robert Harris
>

[David Von Pein]

>>> "Bell's earliest statement was reported by the NY Times --- "There was

a loud bang as though a giant firecracker had exploded in the caverns
between the tall buildings we were just leaving behind us." " <<<

How in the world does the above quote by Jack Bell help the CT/Grassy
Knoll crowd, Robert? Do you think there were "caverns between tall
buildings" on the Grassy Knoll?

Those comments by Bell certainly suggest that the first shot he heard came
from an area that was BEHIND the President's car -- i.e., somewhere
"between the buildings". That description can't possibly be referring to
anything near the Grassy Knoll.

[John McAdams]

On 24 Oct 2012 13:10:07 -0400, Robert Harris <bobha...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Is Bill Newman a Grassy Knoll witness? As the witnesses who said the
shots came from "that monument there" not Grassy Knoll witnesses?

Newman said the shots came from the "mall" and then "that garden."

If you insist that any imprecision on the part of witnesses who said
the shots came from above and behind the limo disqualifies them as
Depository witnesses, then quite a few of the Grassy Knoll witnesses
have to be knocked off the list.

.John
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[Anthony Marsh]

On 10/24/2012 10:14 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>
>>>> "Bell's earliest statement was reported by the NY Times --- "There was
> a loud bang as though a giant firecracker had exploded in the caverns
> between the tall buildings we were just leaving behind us." " <<<
>
> How in the world does the above quote by Jack Bell help the CT/Grassy
> Knoll crowd, Robert? Do you think there were "caverns between tall
> buildings" on the Grassy Knoll?
>

Sounded "as though." Learn English.

> Those comments by Bell certainly suggest that the first shot he heard came
> from an area that was BEHIND the President's car -- i.e., somewhere
> "between the buildings". That description can't possibly be referring to
> anything near the Grassy Knoll.
>

So what? That was only for the first noise he heard.

[Robert Harris]

David Von Pein wrote:
>
>>>> "Bell's earliest statement was reported by the NY Times --- "There was
> a loud bang as though a giant firecracker had exploded in the caverns
> between the tall buildings we were just leaving behind us." " <<<
>
> How in the world does the above quote by Jack Bell help the CT/Grassy
> Knoll crowd, Robert?

David, you seem to be confused about who you are replying to. When did I
say that Bell reported a shot from the knoll?

I said he changed his story and he did. In story #2, the shots came from
high up in the depository.

> Do you think there were "caverns between tall
> buildings" on the Grassy Knoll?

Not high up in the air, there weren't:-)

And of course, in his original story the final shots were closely
spaced. I noticed that in your reply, you snipped that little gem.

"In quick succession there were two other loud reports."


>

> Those comments by Bell certainly suggest that the first shot he heard came
> from an area that was BEHIND the President's car -- i.e., somewhere
> "between the buildings". That description can't possibly be referring to
> anything near the Grassy Knoll.

Nothing gets by you, does it Dave:-)




Robert Harris

[David Von Pein]

>>> "Sounded "as though." Learn English." <<<

So? What's your point, Tony? (And remember, I haven't mastered English
yet, so talk real s-l-o-w when you explain it to me. 10-4?)


>>> "So what? That was only for the first noise he [Jack Bell] heard. " <<<

So, you think Jack Bell belongs in the "Shots Came From More Than One
Location" category, eh Tony? Any cite for this?

[David Von Pein]

>>> "Nothing gets by you, does it Dave[?]" <<<

Except for that shot at Z285 evidently. :)

[Anthony Marsh]

On 10/24/2012 10:19 PM, John McAdams wrote:
> On 24 Oct 2012 13:10:07 -0400, Robert Harris <bobha...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <b86e639b-f6ab-42cf...@j18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,
>> David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> "Dave, can you give me a cite on Bell?" <<<
>>>
>>> http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=5dYhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=l54FAAAAIBAJ&pg=4948%2C
>>> 4514365
>>
>>
>> Bell's earliest statement was reported by the NY Times,
>>
>> "There was a loud bang as though a giant firecracker had exploded in the
>> caverns between the tall buildings we were just leaving behind us. In
>> quick succession there were two other loud reports."
>>
>> NY Times 11/23/63
>>
>>
>> His perception seems to have changed after he was told that the sniper
>> was in the depository - more proof that you always want the earliest
>> recollection.
>>
>
> Is Bill Newman a Grassy Knoll witness? As the witnesses who said the
> shots came from "that monument there" not Grassy Knoll witnesses?
>
> Newman said the shots came from the "mall" and then "that garden."
>

He said the knoll, that mound.

> If you insist that any imprecision on the part of witnesses who said
> the shots came from above and behind the limo disqualifies them as
> Depository witnesses, then quite a few of the Grassy Knoll witnesses
> have to be knocked off the list.
>

Nonsense.

> .John
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