From Ken O'Donnell's WC testimony

[bigdog]

Mr. SPECTER. How many shots were there in all?
Mr. O'DONNELL. Three.
Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate as to the total time which elapsed
from the first shot to the last shot?
Mr. O'DONNELL. I would say 5 to 6 seconds.
Mr. SPECTER. And was there any distinguishable tempo to the shots?
Mr. O'DONNELL. Yes; the first two came almost simultaneously, came one
right after the other, there was a slight hesitation, then the third one.
Mr. SPECTER. And what was your reaction as to the source of the shots, if
you had one?
Mr. O'DONNELL. My reaction in part is reconstruction---is that they came
from the right rear. That would be my best judgment.

I present this not as proof of the timing or the spacing of the shots but
simply to point out that there was no unanimity of opinion that the last
two were closely bunched.

I think I am right in saying that now most LNs believe it was the first of
Oswald's three shots that missed and depending on when they believe the
first shot was fired, the total elapsed time would be 8 seconds or more.
O'Donnell's estimate of 5 to 6 seconds would be low but his description of
the spacing would fit a scenario in which the first shot was fired in the
150-160 time frame, the second striking at or about 223 and the third
striking at 313. Again, this is not proof of either the elapsed time or
the spacing of the shots but it does illustrate that witnesses varied in
their descriptions of both.

[Anthony Marsh]

You always cover up information that disagrees with your cover-up.



That's what he said then, to help the cover-up.


Years later he said he heard shots from the grassy knoll.

“I told the FBI what I had heard [two shots from behind the grassy knoll
fence], but they said it couldn’t have happened that way and that I must
have been imagining things. So I testified the way they wanted me to. I
just didn’t want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the family.”

– Kennedy aide Kenneth O’Donnell, quoted by House Speaker Thomas P.
“Tip” O’Neill Jr. in “Man of the House,” p. 178. O’Donnell was riding in
the Secret Service follow-up car with Dave Powers, who was present and
told O’Neill he had the same recollection.
Share this:

[Anthony Marsh]

On 2/23/2019 7:28 PM, bigdog wrote:

So you are so Internet Challenged that you don't even know how to Google

On May 18, 1964, O'Donnell provided testimony to Norman Redlich and Arlen
Specter, assistant counsel for the Warren Commission.[8] O'Donnell stated
that it was his impression that the shots fired at Kennedy came from the
right rear.[9][10] In their memoir of Kennedy, Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye,
both O'Donnell and David Powers reported hearing only three shots and did
not offer any speculation as to their origin.[11] According to a June 15,
1975 report in the Chicago Tribune, an unnamed "Central Intelligence
Agency liaison man" told Congressman that O'Donnell and David Powers had
initially told assassination investigators that the shots that struck
Kennedy came from a location other than the Texas School Book Depository,
but that the two men were convinced, reportedly by FBI Director J. Edgar
Hoover or his top aides, to alter their accounts to the Warren Commission
to avoid the possibility of revealing the CIA's plots to kill Fidel Castro
which might lead to an international incident.[11] Responding in a
telephone interview, O'Donnell said he testified truthfully and called the
allegations "an absolute, outright lie."[11] In his 1987 autobiography Man
of the House, former House Speaker Tip O'Neill wrote that he had dinner
with O'Donnell and Powers in 1968, and that both men indicated that two
shots were fired from behind the fence on the grassy knoll at Dealey
Plaza.[12] According to O'Neill, he pointed out to O'Donnell that he gave
different information to the Warren Commission, and O'Donnell replied: "I
told the FBI what I had heard, but they said it couldn't have happened

that way and that I must have been imagining things. So I testified the
way they wanted me to. I just didn't want to stir up any more pain and

trouble for the family."[12]

[bigdog]

You think one of JFK's best friends was part of the cover-up? Strange.

>
> Years later he said he heard shots from the grassy knoll.
>
> “I told the FBI what I had heard [two shots from behind the grassy knoll
> fence], but they said it couldn’t have happened that way and that I must
> have been imagining things. So I testified the way they wanted me to. I
> just didn’t want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the family.”
>
> – Kennedy aide Kenneth O’Donnell, quoted by House Speaker Thomas P.
> “Tip” O’Neill Jr. in “Man of the House,” p. 178. O’Donnell was riding in
> the Secret Service follow-up car with Dave Powers, who was present and
> told O’Neill he had the same recollection.
> Share this:

Hearsay. I'll go with what O'Donnell said for himself under oath.

[bigdog]

I love when you provide quotes without identifying the source. I told you
where my quote came from.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

O'Donnell vehemently denied ever telling O'Neill that.

"The story is an absolute lie…whoever gave that story is lying.
It’s an absolute, outright lie." – Kenneth
O’Donnell, Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1975.

But I guess he lied about lying? To help cover up the murder of the
president and his close friend?

The number of people that you conspiracists are willing to accuse of
crimes is stunning. Not just ordinary people but JFK's closest friends.

[Mark]

I wasn't aware O'Donnell had answered like that. Great find.

Mark

[David Von Pein]

Indeed. ....

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/05/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-710.html

[Anthony Marsh]

>> ???I told the FBI what I had heard [two shots from behind the grassy knoll
>> fence], but they said it couldn???t have happened that way and that I must

>> have been imagining things. So I testified the way they wanted me to. I

>> just didn???t want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the family.???
>>
>> ??? Kennedy aide Kenneth O???Donnell, quoted by House Speaker Thomas P.
>> ???Tip??? O???Neill Jr. in ???Man of the House,??? p. 178. O???Donnell was riding in

>> the Secret Service follow-up car with Dave Powers, who was present and

>> told O???Neill he had the same recollection.

>> Share this:
>
> O'Donnell vehemently denied ever telling O'Neill that.
>

> "The story is an absolute lie???whoever gave that story is lying.
> It???s an absolute, outright lie." ??? Kenneth
> O???Donnell, Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1975.

>
> But I guess he lied about lying? To help cover up the murder of the
> president and his close friend?
>
> The number of people that you conspiracists are willing to accuse of
> crimes is stunning. Not just ordinary people but JFK's closest friends.
>

I said nothing about crimes. The FBI asked him not the mention it. He did
not lie when he told Tip what had hapened. That would be a strange lie to
make up.

You will never admit ANY fact,

[bigdog]

I've seen Hugh Aynesworth describe the shooting and he indicated the bangs
were fairly evenly spaced. This has been on various videos. I don't recall
seeing a statement from him in print.

[Anthony Marsh]

Can't you guys ever agree on a frame number?
That's why SCIENCE is better than guessing.

> Indeed. ....
>
> http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/05/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-710.html
>

[Allan G. Johnson]

On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 7:05:23 PM UTC-5, David Von Pein wrote:

The time span between 133 (start of limo on z. film) and 223 is 90
frames, 5 seconds. The time span between 223 and 313 is 90 frames, 5
seconds. As even a time spacing as you can get. The time span from 155
to 223 is 68 frames, 3.7 seconds, not quite even spacing.

[Allan G. Johnson]

On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 7:05:23 PM UTC-5, David Von Pein wrote:

> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 7:28:53 PM UTC-5, bigdog wrote:
> > Mr. SPECTER. How many shots were there in all?
> > Mr. O'DONNELL. Three.
> > Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate as to the total time which elapsed
> > from the first shot to the last shot?
> > Mr. O'DONNELL. I would say 5 to 6 seconds.
> > Mr. SPECTER. And was there any distinguishable tempo to the shots?
> > Mr. O'DONNELL. Yes; the first two came almost simultaneously, came one
> > right after the other, there was a slight hesitation, then the third one.
> > Mr. SPECTER. And what was your reaction as to the source of the shots, if
> > you had one?
> > Mr. O'DONNELL. My reaction in part is reconstruction---is that they came
> > from the right rear. That would be my best judgment.
> >
> > I present this not as proof of the timing or the spacing of the shots but
> > simply to point out that there was no unanimity of opinion that the last
> > two were closely bunched.
> >
> > I think I am right in saying that now most LNs believe it was the first of
> > Oswald's three shots that missed and depending on when they believe the
> > first shot was fired, the total elapsed time would be 8 seconds or more.

> Indeed. ....

> > O'Donnell's estimate of 5 to 6 seconds would be low but his description of
> > the spacing would fit a scenario in which the first shot was fired in the
> > 150-160 time frame, the second striking at or about 223 and the third
> > striking at 313. Again, this is not proof of either the elapsed time or
> > the spacing of the shots but it does illustrate that witnesses varied in
> > their descriptions of both.
>
>

> http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/05/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-710.html

O'Donnell never said anything about looking over his right shoulder
after hearing the second shot either, but that is him in the Altgens photo
doing just that. He is the one behind Kinney, the driver. In my
observation that photo always misidentified Hickey and O'Donnell. Hickey
is actually seen as the person in the rear seat in the dark suit and tie
with his face obscured by the sun visor, behind the jump seat, in the
photo to the right of Kinney, the driver. Powers is seen in the jump
seat, behind him is Bennett looking right. Sitting in the jump seat next
to Powers is O'Donnell, he is standing up looking to the right. That is
his left hand on the grab bar to the right of Kinney, it is not Kinney's
hand on the steering wheel, there is no arm attached to it, you can see
through the steering wheel. The person misidentified as O'Donnell in the photo is BEHIND Powers,
O'Donnell was sitting next to Powers in the jump seat, not behind him.
That's Hickey.

[bigdog]

You continue to demand exactitude from inexact evidence. The Z-film which
took about 55 milliseconds to record one frame is a poor tool to measure
events precisely. Expert testimony has told us that a startle reaction
requires ABOUT 200 milliseconds. We see ABOUT when JFK and JBC reacted,
frame 326. We don't know if that reaction came earlier in the frame, late
in the frame, or in the gap between 325 and 326. Since we don't know the
precise instant the reaction occurred, we can only estimate how many
frames before the visible reaction that the bullet struck. It could have
been 3 of 4 frames before we see the reaction. I suppose we could all
arbitrarily agree on an exact frame number butt that would be illogical
since the evidence is less than certain. Given how brief a time frame a
single frame lasts, any reasonable person would think that narrowing it
down to a few frames was pretty good. Not you of course. You are unable to
argue against the SBT on substance so you raise these inane objections for
which you are so well known.

[bigdog]

We don't know that the shots were evenly spaced or about evenly space. We
have varying witness accounts. It's safe to say nobody was timing the
shots so all we have are estimates based on imperfect human memories. I
doubt we will ever pin down the time of the first shot with any certainty
because there is no definitive evidence of when that shot was fired. We
have clues and each of us seems to weigh the various clues differently. I
continue to believe the weight of those clues points to an early 150s shot
but that is hardly a certainty.

[Anthony Marsh]

OMG! I hope you just made a typo and wrote 326 when you mean 226! I don't
think I've heard of a SBT after the head shot. I don't mind if you guess,
but at least you have a frame in mind. Now it is your job to convince all
the other WC defenders of that frame number. How come the WC wasn't brave
enough to name a frame, but YOU were?

[bigdog]

Yes, I did make a typo. We'll give you a gold star for catching it.

[Anthony Marsh]

So, did you appreciate my being gracious enough to help you point out
the typo rather than make you eat that frame number?

[bigdog]

Would you like me to send you a fruit basket to show my gratitude?