Pam & friends gossip about me & DVP
Dave Reitzes
JLeyd...@aol.com
> http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13965
Well, they spelled your name right, Dave. What more can you ask for? Of
course, they also suggest you're David Von Pein, which can't be good news
because it would double your work load. Gotta love these people. I'll
bet they check under their beds every night and are disappointed when they
don't find a CIA or FBI agent there.
JGL
John McAdams
>http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13965
What a bunch of wackos!
.John
--------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
David Von Pein
>>> "What a bunch of wackos!" <<<
LOL. You stole my whole response, John. Now I don't need to post
it. :)
BTW, I'm also supposed to be an LNer named Steve Keating (per one of
those "wackos").
Three...three...three mints (er...LNers) in one! (Remember that
commercial?)
WhiskyJoe
There are three levels of Conspiracy Theory researchers.
The highest level tries to tie the assassination to the CIA or Mafia or
the KGB.
The second level tries to tie in the Judyth Baker story.
And the third level tries to prove that Dave Reitzes and David Von Pein
are really the same person with ties to the CIA.
To be fair, Von Pein does sound like the name of someone who used to work
for the East German Security and Intelligence Service.
I predict that in the coming year some good progress will be made in the
"Grand Unification Theory" that proves that Reitzes, Von Pein, Myers and
McAdams are really the same person.
Note, to be fair, Pam does not seem to buy into the theory that Reitzes
and Von Pein are the same person.
jfk...@gmail.com
> On 24 Jan 2009 10:59:32 -0500, Dave Reitzes <dreit...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13965
>
> What a bunch of wackos!
>
The question about whether DVP was Reitzes was raised because it was
discussed on Black Op Radio.
It was asked as a question. Nobody has met DVP. So far, his identity
is unverified.
Since McAdams is so big on documentation lately, why not provide some
documentation for who this person actually is, and give us info on
what contact McAdams has had with him? Where does DVP live? Who has
actually met him? That would have some value; knee-jerk sputterings do
not.
David Von Pein
>>> "To be fair, Von Pein does sound like the name of someone who used to work for the East German Security and Intelligence Service." <<<
Well, it's the name I was born with on Wednesday, 12/27/61 (while JFK
was serving as President, btw). So, I guess I'm stuck with it--German
Intel Service jokes and all. ;)
I considered changing my name to "Vincent Moore Posnerelli", but I
figured that such a moniker would be too "obvious".
Peter Fokes
wrote:
So Dick Van Dyke was already on TV when you were born?
And here I thought you watched the original airings ... maybe you did
as a babe!
But then again, noting your day of birth, it is fair to assume you
were a rerun addict. Right? Replaying scenarios became something of a
habit, eh?
Of course, nothing wrong with slipping a DVD disc into your player and
chuckling at the antics of Dick and Mary.
Blu-Ray version available yet?
:-)
Regards,
Peter Fokes,
Toronto
slats
news:2njmn49vg0v58h2hq...@4ax.com:
Ah yes. The same Bill Kelly who once threatened to punch me in the face.
Now you know why I avoid forums that require "real names."
Bud
> http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13965
That is some research community.
Dave Reitzes
Bob Harris thinks I'm at least two people. Someone at the Nuthouse once
asked him if I and a certain LNer who used to post here were the same
person. He responded, "I don't know if [name deleted] is posting through
that account or not, but I have no doubt whatsoever, that people of widely
varying writing skills are. The long-winded stuff is definitely coming
from a pro. If that is the David Reitzes we all know and love, then I
would expect that he is published somewhere. But the guy who writes most
of the day-to-day stuff is nowhere near that level."
He's accused me of some other interesting things (including a novel claim
about how three well known JFK researchers and I spend the holiday
season), but I don't want to tax the moderators' patience too much. \:^)
Dave
David Von Pein
>>> "So Dick Van Dyke was already on TV when you were born?" <<<
Yep. That CBS-TV program was, indeed, on the air at that time. It
debuted 2+ months before I was hatched. :)
BTW -- For trivia buffs, the premiere episode of "The Dick Van Dyke
Show" was filmed on the same day JFK was inaugurated (1/20/61).
>>> "And here I thought you watched the original airings. Maybe you did as
a babe!" <<<
Nah. I don't remember the original '61-'66 airings.
>>> "Of course, nothing wrong with slipping a DVD disc into your player
and chuckling at the antics of Dick and Mary." <<<
Dang straight. Here are some rare unaired clips with the "JFK & Jackie" of
TV's 1960s:
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=56A9360F179D050D
>>> "Blu-Ray version available yet?" <<<
No. But I really don't care. The standard DVDs are just fine. I haven't
gotten "into" the Blu-Ray thing (yet anyway). Have you? Is the 1080p
picture really that much better (even on 4x3 programming)?
Grizzlie Antagonist
news:070c2d33-37e8-4505...@r41g2000prr.googlegroups.com...
Who are you? Where do you live? Who has actually met you? So far, your
identity is unverified.
--
"Aetas parentum pejor avis tulit nos nequiores, mox daturos progenium
vitiosiorem" ("Our parents, viler than our grandparents, begot us who are
even viler, and we shall bring forth a progeny more degenerate still") -
Horace, Odes, III, 6
Anthony Marsh
> There are three levels of Conspiracy Theory researchers.
>
> The highest level tries to tie the assassination to the CIA or Mafia or
> the KGB.
>
> The second level tries to tie in the Judyth Baker story.
>
> And the third level tries to prove that Dave Reitzes and David Von Pein
> are really the same person with ties to the CIA.
>
The fourth level tries to prove that Whisky Joe is the new alias of Brandy
Alexander. Notice how the WC defenders love to use aliases? They are to
embarrassed to use their real names.
> To be fair, Von Pein does sound like the name of someone who used to work
> for the East German Security and Intelligence Service.
>
> I predict that in the coming year some good progress will be made in the
> "Grand Unification Theory" that proves that Reitzes, Von Pein, Myers and
> McAdams are really the same person.
>
We have met and seen some of the WC defenders like Myers and McAdams, even
if they also use aliases. But some of the WC defenders admit that they use
aliases here and we don't know who they really are.
jfk...@gmail.com
Where were you born, since you brought it up? What's your alma mater?
Where do you live?
Whom among the research community have you met? Where have you presented?
Why don't you have a photo of yourself at your blog?
jfk...@gmail.com
I think that was the three little WC apologists...
Barb Junkkarinen
wrote:
Oh my gosh ... look who is "making demands"! And all stuff that is
none of her business! This from the one who has a hissy fit about
people having no right to make demands of her when they simply ask her
to provide support for her claims on evidence. LOL!
Barb Junkkarinen
wrote:
>On Jan 24, 11:25 am, John McAdams <john.mcad...@marquette.edu> wrote:
>> On 24 Jan 2009 10:59:32 -0500, Dave Reitzes <dreit...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13965
>>
>> What a bunch of wackos!
>>
>Typical McAdams. Ignore the context and make a blanket accusation.
>
>The question about whether DVP was Reitzes was raised because it was
>discussed on Black Op Radio.
>It was asked as a question. Nobody has met DVP. So far, his identity
>is unverified.
Unverified? LOL!
>
>Since McAdams is so big on documentation lately, why not provide some
>documentation for who this person actually is,
Why does any poster have to be "documented" and "verified"? <g>
> and give us info on
>what contact McAdams has had with him? Where does DVP live? Who has
>actually met him? That would have some value; knee-jerk sputterings do
>not.
What value? Are you sure it is a knee "jerk" going on here?
LOL!
>
>
David Von Pein
>>> "Where were you born, since you brought it up? What's your alma mater? Where do you live? Whom among the research community have you met? Where have you presented? Why don't you have a photo of yourself at your blog?" <<<
Gee, I didn't realize a grueling examination was going to be required
in order to battle some conspiracy theorists on a series of JFK
Internet forums (fora).
But, even though it's none of your business, what the heck, I have
nothing to hide:
>>> "Where were you born?" <<<
You can find that answer here (might as well make you do a little leg
work for your answers, right?):
>>> "What's your alma mater?" <<<
Baxter Elementary School. ;)
REPLAY:
>>> "What's your alma mater?" <<<
Don't have one. In fact, I never even graduated high school. Dropped
out in the 10th grade. (I did attend Baxter though.)
>>> "Where do you live?" <<<
You can find that answer here (on full display):
www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A1FDW1SPYKB354/ref=cm_aya_bb_pdp
>>> "Whom among the research community have you met?" <<<
Do e-mail conversations with Gary Mack, Dale Myers, John McAdams, Ken
Rahn, Steve Barber, Hugh Aynesworth, Robert Huffaker, T. Mack Durham,
David Lifton, James Fetzer, Wallace Milam, and Vincent Bugliosi's
secretary count? (Prob'ly not, huh?)
If those e-mails don't count, then my answer is: Not a living soul.
>>> "Where have you presented?" <<<
Do alt.assassination.jfk and Amazon.com and www.DavidVonPein.blogspot.com
count? ;) (Prob'ly not, huh?)
So....my answer, then, would have to be: Nowhere.
>>> "Why don't you have a photo of yourself at your blog?" <<<
Because I don't want a photo of myself at my blog. Way too ugly. My
"JFK Official Portrait" signature photo is my trademark. I like that a
lot better.
[END OF DVP GRILLING SESSION.]
Addendum Questionnaire for "jfk...@gmail.com":
Okay, Mr./Mrs. "jfk...@gmail.com", it's time to turn the tables. I've
answered your series of nosy questions. Now, it's your turn to do the
answering. Don't hold back now. Spill your guts.....
Where were you born? _____________
What's your alma mater? ____________
Where do you live? _____________
Whom among the research community have you met? _______________
Where have you presented? ______________
What is your shoe size? ________________
What is your favorite hot food? _____________
What is your least favorite cold food? _____________
Who did you vote for in the 1972 Presidential election? _____________
Do you say "to-MAY-to" or "to-MAH-to"? ______________
What was your 2nd-grade teacher's name and where was she/he from?
_____________
Do you like cheese on your hamburgers? _________
Do you agree with me that James H. Fetzer is a kook? ____________
Do you agree with me that it's foolish to ever pay for shipping &
handling via an online purchase when the option for Free Shipping is
also available? _________
Have you ever seen a UFO? ________
Does the name Larry Biittner mean anything to you? ________
I'll tally up your score after reviewing your exam. A score of less
than 85 will result in your being expelled from class for the
remainder of the 2009 conspiracy-seeking season.
Good luck.
[Jeopardy music commencing...]
Anthony Marsh
> On 25 Jan 2009 11:42:04 -0500, "jfk...@gmail.com"<jfk...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 24, 11:25 am, John McAdams<john.mcad...@marquette.edu> wrote:
>>> On 24 Jan 2009 10:59:32 -0500, Dave Reitzes<dreit...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13965
>>> What a bunch of wackos!
>>>
>> Typical McAdams. Ignore the context and make a blanket accusation.
>>
>> The question about whether DVP was Reitzes was raised because it was
>> discussed on Black Op Radio.
>> It was asked as a question. Nobody has met DVP. So far, his identity
>> is unverified.
>
> Unverified? LOL!
You've met him in person? What is he like?
>> Since McAdams is so big on documentation lately, why not provide some
>> documentation for who this person actually is,
>
> Why does any poster have to be "documented" and "verified"?<g>
>
Aliases are routine on the Internet.
Anthony Marsh
>
>>>> "Where were you born, since you brought it up? What's your alma mater? Where do you live? Whom among the research community have you met? Where have you presented? Why don't you have a photo of yourself at your blog?"<<<
>
> Gee, I didn't realize a grueling examination was going to be required
> in order to battle some conspiracy theorists on a series of JFK
> Internet forums (fora).
>
> But, even though it's none of your business, what the heck, I have
> nothing to hide:
>
>
>>>> "Where were you born?"<<<
>
> You can find that answer here (might as well make you do a little leg
> work for your answers, right?):
>
> www.youtube.com/user/dvp1122
>
>
>
>>>> "What's your alma mater?"<<<
>
> Baxter Elementary School. ;)
>
> REPLAY:
>
>>>> "What's your alma mater?"<<<
>
>
> Don't have one. In fact, I never even graduated high school. Dropped
> out in the 10th grade. (I did attend Baxter though.)
>
Very interest elementary school that includes a 10th grade. Obviously you
don't want to name the High School because someone could look up the name
and find a year book.
>
>
>>>> "Where do you live?"<<<
>
> You can find that answer here (on full display):
>
> www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A1FDW1SPYKB354/ref=cm_aya_bb_pdp
>
>
>>>> "Whom among the research community have you met?"<<<
>
> Do e-mail conversations with Gary Mack, Dale Myers, John McAdams, Ken
> Rahn, Steve Barber, Hugh Aynesworth, Robert Huffaker, T. Mack Durham,
> David Lifton, James Fetzer, Wallace Milam, and Vincent Bugliosi's
> secretary count? (Prob'ly not, huh?)
>
Nope. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can send e-mails. I have personally met John
McAdams (alias Paul Nolan) and seen Dale Myers. I have met other
conspiracy researchers at conferences who have admitted to using aliases
online out of fear (one with a record 22 aliases).
>
> If those e-mails don't count, then my answer is: Not a living soul.
>
>
>
>>>> "Where have you presented?"<<<
>
> Do alt.assassination.jfk and Amazon.com and www.DavidVonPein.blogspot.com
> count? ;) (Prob'ly not, huh?)
>
> So....my answer, then, would have to be: Nowhere.
>
>
>
>
>>>> "Why don't you have a photo of yourself at your blog?"<<<
>
>
> Because I don't want a photo of myself at my blog. Way too ugly. My
> "JFK Official Portrait" signature photo is my trademark. I like that a
> lot better.
>
>
> [END OF DVP GRILLING SESSION.]
>
>
> Addendum Questionnaire for "jfk...@gmail.com":
>
>
> Okay, Mr./Mrs. "jfk...@gmail.com", it's time to turn the tables. I've
> answered your series of nosy questions. Now, it's your turn to do the
> answering. Don't hold back now. Spill your guts.....
>
If you are talking about Pamela McElwain-Brown , she has her picture on
her Web site. And she has used her real name online in the past.
http://www.in-broad-daylight.com/pmcdb.jpg
FYI, because different ISPs had different rules I have used different
variations of my real name.
On CompuServe I used someone else's alias just to prove their bias in
allowing him to use it for so many years when everyone else was told to
use their real names. Just to annoy him.
> Where were you born? _____________
Let me answer this with a riddle which no WC defenders were able to
solve. I was born in the United States, but not in any state. BTW, I was
born at the same time as the CIA.
> What's your alma mater? ____________
Boston Conservatory of Music.
> Where do you live? _____________
Somerville, MA 02143.
> Whom among the research community have you met? _______________
All of the major researchers. Hundreds more.
> Where have you presented? ______________
Midwest Symposium, COPA conference, RI conference.
> What is your shoe size? ________________
11 wide.
> What is your favorite hot food? _____________
Chili, make my own.
> What is your least favorite cold food? _____________
Strawberries, although I loved to pick my own and eat black raspberries
in our camp.
> Who did you vote for in the 1972 Presidential election? _____________
McGovern. I enjoyed living in the only state to vote for him. WE TOLD
YOU SO!
> Do you say "to-MAY-to" or "to-MAH-to"? ______________
MAY.
> What was your 2nd-grade teacher's name and where was she/he from?
Don't remember her name, but she was from Maryland.
> _____________
> Do you like cheese on your hamburgers? _________
Yes.
> Do you agree with me that James H. Fetzer is a kook? ____________
That's putting it mildly.
> Do you agree with me that it's foolish to ever pay for shipping&
> handling via an online purchase when the option for Free Shipping is
> also available? _________
Depends on what type of shipping and what minimum charge is needed.
> Have you ever seen a UFO? ________
Nope.
> Does the name Larry Biittner mean anything to you? ________
Nope.
>
> I'll tally up your score after reviewing your exam. A score of less
> than 85 will result in your being expelled from class for the
> remainder of the 2009 conspiracy-seeking season.
>
FYI, it is not necessary that someone believe every wacky conspiracy
theory that comes down the pike in order to believe it was a conspiracy.
Even the wackiest researcher may stumble onto an important piece of
information.
Barb Junkkarinen
<anthon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On 1/26/2009 11:12 AM, David Von Pein wrote:
>>
>>>>> "Where were you born, since you brought it up? What's your alma mater? Where do you live? Whom among the research community have you met? Where have you presented? Why don't you have a photo of yourself at your blog?"<<<
>>
>> Gee, I didn't realize a grueling examination was going to be required
>> in order to battle some conspiracy theorists on a series of JFK
>> Internet forums (fora).
>>
>> But, even though it's none of your business, what the heck, I have
>> nothing to hide:
>>
>>
>>>>> "Where were you born?"<<<
>>
>> You can find that answer here (might as well make you do a little leg
>> work for your answers, right?):
>>
>> www.youtube.com/user/dvp1122
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> "What's your alma mater?"<<<
>>
>> Baxter Elementary School. ;)
>>
>> REPLAY:
>>
>>>>> "What's your alma mater?"<<<
>>
>>
>> Don't have one. In fact, I never even graduated high school. Dropped
>> out in the 10th grade. (I did attend Baxter though.)
>>
>
>Very interest elementary school that includes a 10th grade. Obviously you
>don't want to name the High School because someone could look up the name
>and find a year book.
Very revealing, Tony! About you ... try reading it again, this time
for comprehension, perhaps.
You verified it's really her ... and hewr real name, huh?
(I've met Pamela, so I know it's her. You don't ... you're just
applying your typical double standard and fooling yourself if you
think no one notices.
Dave Reitzes
> >>> "Where were you born, since you brought it up? �What's your alma mater? Where do you live? Whom among the research community have you met? �Where have you presented? Why don't you have a photo of yourself at your blog?" <<<
>
> Gee, I didn't realize a grueling examination was going to be required
> in order to battle some conspiracy theorists on a series of JFK
> Internet forums (fora).
No, no, no, the line is "I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition."
{{{ FANFARE }}}
Dave
David Von Pein
Who asked you to take the quiz, Tony?
>>> "Obviously you don't want to name the High School because someone
could look up the name and find a year book." <<<
LOL. Never thought about that angle. Then again, I'm not a super-
suspicious conspiracy theorist...so why would I have thought of it?
BTW .... 10th Grade -- Ben Davis High School, Indianapolis, Indiana; 1977.
(Worst few months of my life.)
jfk...@gmail.com
> >>> "Where were you born, since you brought it up? What's your alma mater? Where do you live? Whom among the research community have you met? Where have you presented? Why don't you have a photo of yourself at your blog?" <<<
>
> Gee, I didn't realize a grueling examination was going to be required
> in order to battle some conspiracy theorists on a series of JFK
> Internet forums (fora).
Are you refusing to acknowledge that there are some people who are
wondering if you are an actual person or a persona? Don't you want to
clear that up fast?
>
> But, even though it's none of your business, what the heck, I have
> nothing to hide:
>
> >>> "Where were you born?" <<<
>
> You can find that answer here (might as well make you do a little leg
> work for your answers, right?):
>
> www.youtube.com/user/dvp1122
>
> >>> "What's your alma mater?" <<<
>
> Baxter Elementary School. ;)
Which state?
>
> REPLAY:
>
> >>> "What's your alma mater?" <<<
>
> Don't have one. In fact, I never even graduated high school. Dropped
> out in the 10th grade. (I did attend Baxter though.)
Evasive.
>
> >>> "Where do you live?" <<<
>
> You can find that answer here (on full display):
>
> www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A1FDW1SPYKB354/ref=cm_aya_bb_pdp
>
> >>> "Whom among the research community have you met?" <<<
>
> Do e-mail conversations with Gary Mack, Dale Myers, John McAdams, Ken
> Rahn, Steve Barber, Hugh Aynesworth, Robert Huffaker, T. Mack Durham,
> David Lifton, James Fetzer, Wallace Milam, and Vincent Bugliosi's
> secretary count? (Prob'ly not, huh?)
>
> If those e-mails don't count, then my answer is: Not a living soul.
No they don't count.
>
> >>> "Where have you presented?" <<<
>
> Do alt.assassination.jfk and Amazon.com andwww.DavidVonPein.blogspot.com
> count? ;) (Prob'ly not, huh?)
>
> So....my answer, then, would have to be: Nowhere.
>
> >>> "Why don't you have a photo of yourself at your blog?" <<<
>
> Because I don't want a photo of myself at my blog. Way too ugly. My
> "JFK Official Portrait" signature photo is my trademark. I like that a
> lot better.
>
> [END OF DVP GRILLING SESSION.]
You have managed to continue to be evasive.
>
> Addendum Questionnaire for "jfk2...@gmail.com":
>
> Okay, Mr./Mrs. "jfk2...@gmail.com", it's time to turn the tables. I've
> answered your series of nosy questions. Now, it's your turn to do the
> answering. Don't hold back now. Spill your guts.....
All of this information I asked of you is available about me in posts
to aaj, the Ed Forum (where you don't post maybe because you would
have to have a bio and photo) and at www.in-broad-daylight.com.
The rest of your questions are beside the point that I am attempting
to make and which you are attempting to avoid.
So far, you have not presented any documentation to the fact that you
are not an alias.
>
> Where were you born? ____Chicago_________
> What's your alma mater? ____Bucknell________
> Where do you live? ______Minneapolis_______
> Whom among the research community have you met? _______Most everyone but you________
> Where have you presented? ______NID________
> What is your shoe size? _______9.5_________
> What is your favorite hot food? ______dim sum_______
> What is your least favorite cold food? ___lutefisk__________
> Who did you vote for in the 1972 Presidential election? _____McGovern________
> Do you say "to-MAY-to" or "to-MAH-to"? _________to-MAY-to_____
> What was your 2nd-grade teacher's name and where was she/he from?
> _______Mrs. Cutting, CT______
> Do you like cheese on your hamburgers? _____yes____
> Do you agree with me that James H. Fetzer is a kook? _______I think he is paid to look like a kook_____
> Do you agree with me that it's foolish to ever pay for shipping &
> handling via an online purchase when the option for Free Shipping is
> also available? ____yes_____
> Have you ever seen a UFO? ____i've seen some things i can't explain____
> Does the name Larry Biittner mean anything to you? ___no____
>
> I'll tally up your score after reviewing your exam. A score of less
> than 85 will result in your being expelled from class for the
> remainder of the 2009 conspiracy-seeking season.
>
> Good luck.
>
> [Jeopardy music commencing...]
It's you who needs the luck.
Anthony Marsh
That is what YOU should do. He listed Baxter as his Alma Mater.
Yes.
> (I've met Pamela, so I know it's her. You don't ... you're just
So what? I met Paul Nolan in person. Does that prove that is really his
name?
> applying your typical double standard and fooling yourself if you
> think no one notices.
More nonsense. The comparison was valid. You have not met Dave so you
don't know who he really is.
I don't have to meet Dale Myers to know who he really it.
Barb Junkkarinen
<anthon...@comcast.net> wrote:
QUOTE
>>>>>>> "What's your alma mater?"<<<
>>>>
>>>> Don't have one. In fact, I never even graduated high school. Dropped
>>>> out in the 10th grade.
ENDQUOTE
QUOTE
>>>>>>> "What's your alma mater?"<<<
>>>> Baxter Elementary School. ;)
>>>>
>>>> REPLAY:
END QUOTE
He said his alma mater was Baxter Elementary.
Did the
replay" of the alma mater question and said he didn't have one, in
fact he never graduated frrom high school. But repeated that he had
attended Baxter ELEMENTARY.
Perhaps a passing 5th grader could explain it to you if need be.
Barb Junkkarinen
wrote:
>On Jan 26, 10:12 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>> "Where were you born, since you brought it up? What's your alma mater? Where do you live? Whom among the research community have you met? Where have you presented? Why don't you have a photo of yourself at your blog?" <<<
>>
>> Gee, I didn't realize a grueling examination was going to be required
>> in order to battle some conspiracy theorists on a series of JFK
>> Internet forums (fora).
>
>Are you refusing to acknowledge that there are some people who are
>wondering if you are an actual person or a persona? Don't you want to
>clear that up fast?
I recall a time, not so long ago, when you were all over someone here
about using an alias. THEN, when YOU showed up here with an alias and
I and others called you on it, you pitched a hissy fit ... and whined
to the moderators ... who then posted a thing saying that whatever
name, alias or not, anyone chooses to post under here is nobody else's
business and not on topic ... and would not be allowed.
Soooo, you ran over to the whine & cheese bar and created several new
aliases to attack me and another person ... which were pointed out and
laughed at immediately because you didn't know what an IP address was
... and then even went so far to go to your cointy library and and
transmit from there to change the IP address ... which was found and
pointed out immediately too. WOW were you MAD. LOL. It was quite a
time ....
So, here you are again, making demands of someone else on the very
subject you got banned from this group in the first place!
LOL!
David Von Pein
>>> "Are you refusing to acknowledge that there are some people who are
wondering if you are an actual person or a persona?" <<<
Huh?
Of COURSE I "acknowledge" the fact that some people (all CTers, naturally)
think that I'm posing as several different individuals on the Internet.
It's fairly obvious that some CTers have jumped to that wholly-unwarranted
conclusion.
But do I need to officially "acknowledge" those suspicions from atop an
orange crate in the middle of Town Square or something?
>>> "Don't you want to clear that up fast?" <<<
Actually, no. I love watching conspiracy theorists make fools out of
themselves on a daily basis. And this issue of "DVP aliases" has been
extremely entertaining from my end of the computer. I hope it continues. I
enjoy it immensely. It's especially enjoyable since I know every one of
those conspiracy theorists is 100% wrong.
So, no, I have no real desire to "clear that up" anytime soon. If the
silly CTers who think I'm really several other people want to think
that....let them. Heck, a CTer or two in the past actually alleged that I
was Vincent Bugliosi in disguise. And what's not to like about that?!
There's probably nothing I could do to make those people stop believing
that fantasy anyway. After all, most of those same CTers actually think
that a THREE-BULLET substitute for the Single-Bullet Theory is a MORE
REASONABLE and accurate explanation for the wounding of JFK and JBC than
is the SBT.
So, as you can see, that's the type of conspiratorial mentality I'm up
against here. And who can fight imagination? It almost always trumps
reality in a conspiracist's world.
>>> "You have managed to continue to be evasive." <<<
LOL. Yeah, I've been "evasive" by forthrightly answering every single
question that was asked of me. LOL.
See what I mean? I can't win even when I answer everything that's put to
me. I love it!
>>> "So far, you have not presented any documentation to the fact that you
are not an alias." <<<
Another "LOL" needs to go here (for sure).
And just exactly what kind of "documentation" do you (or anyone) possess
to show that the "He's Using Multiple Aliases" and "DVP Is Reitzes" rumors
are correct? Anything at all?
IOW -- Is the burden of proof on ME here? Or should it be on the ill-
informed people who make the accusations?
I guess nothing short of a birth certificate will suffice here, huh?
Oops. No, that won't be good enough either. Because somebody could say
that all I did was swipe this guy's birth certificate:
www.themeterman.com.au/about_us.php
ALIAS ADDENDUM:
BTW, I want to fill people in on how I think this whole hilarious "DVP Is
Dave Reitzes" thing got started (and it's a real howl too):
As far as I am aware, the one and only person who apparently got it into
his head a while back that Mr. Reitzes and I might be the same person is
David G. Healy. Nobody else that I know of is responsible for spreading
such a rumor. Now, I admit, I could be wrong about that. But based on my
knowledge here at these forums, Healy is the seed that sprouted the
idiocy.
And do you know what it was that caused Healy to initially "suspect" such
a thing? Here's the answer: He looked at this stats page for the
alt.conspiracy.jfk forum:
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/about
....And Healy came to the conclusion that DVP and Reitzes were the same
entity because the total number of posts is similar for each of those
names; plus the fact that Reitzes is listed as the #7 all-time acj
contributor, while I'm listed directly underneath him in the #8 slot.
Therefore, per Mr. Healy, Reitzes and myself MUST be the very same person.
Great detective work, huh?
(Basil Rathbone just turned over in his grave after reading that.)
Anthony Marsh
> On 27 Jan 2009 12:11:24 -0500, "jfk...@gmail.com"<jfk...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 26, 10:12 am, David Von Pein<davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Where were you born, since you brought it up? What's your alma mater? Where do you live? Whom among the research community have you met? Where have you presented? Why don't you have a photo of yourself at your blog?"<<<
>>> Gee, I didn't realize a grueling examination was going to be required
>>> in order to battle some conspiracy theorists on a series of JFK
>>> Internet forums (fora).
>> Are you refusing to acknowledge that there are some people who are
>> wondering if you are an actual person or a persona? Don't you want to
>> clear that up fast?
>
> I recall a time, not so long ago, when you were all over someone here
> about using an alias. THEN, when YOU showed up here with an alias and
> I and others called you on it, you pitched a hissy fit ... and whined
> to the moderators ... who then posted a thing saying that whatever
> name, alias or not, anyone chooses to post under here is nobody else's
> business and not on topic ... and would not be allowed.
>
> aliases to attack me and another person ... which were pointed out and
> laughed at immediately because you didn't know what an IP address was
> ... and then even went so far to go to your cointy library and and
> transmit from there to change the IP address ... which was found and
> pointed out immediately too. WOW were you MAD. LOL. It was quite a
> time ....
>
> So, here you are again, making demands of someone else on the very
> subject you got banned from this group in the first place!
>
Your argument presupposes that DVP used his real name from the very
beginning. How did you verify that?
jfk...@gmail.com
Ok. From now on you are "DVP".
jfk...@gmail.com
> On 1/27/2009 2:27 PM, Barb Junkkarinen wrote:
>
>
>
She hasn't and won't. That would be research.
Barb Junkkarinen
<anthon...@comcast.net> wrote:
I didn't presuppose anything ... I wasn't addressing DVP's identity, I
was addressing your demonstrated inability to read and comprehend.
Dave Reitzes
> http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13965
There are now TWO threads about DVP at the Simkin forum.
Not bad for someone who doesn't even exist.
Dave \:^)
David Von Pein
That other Education Forum thread was started by Tom "I Can't Say It
Here At aaj Because The Post Will Certainly Be Rejected If I Call Him
This Name" Purvis back in September '08.
slats
df9a3b...@q30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
>
>
> That other Education Forum thread was started by Tom "I Can't Say It
> Here At aaj Because The Post Will Certainly Be Rejected If I Call Him
> This Name" Purvis back in September '08.
Crackpot Simkin and his flying monkies really do give Nixon a run for his
money in the paranoia department. During my brief stay there, the locals
were *obsessed* with my listed occupation, demanding to know more about my
work. More than a few suggested that I might be a government "plant."
Thank God I didn't submit my real photo (they had no right to that anyway;
that goes double for my real name). The vast majority of them are
unhinged, Bush-hating leftists who bewailed things like FISA and the
Patriot Act to no end, yet didn't think twice about compromising MY
privacy. A pox on all of them.
David Von Pein
Here's a little something that indicates that certain people at The
Education Forum can't even follow the progression of a simple forum
thread, and are unable to identify the people who are making the posts.
(It's either that explanation, or Bill Kelly just simply cannot read....or
he thinks that Mr. Slattery [aka "slats"] is another one of the many fake
names I'm supposed to be using on the Internet, per the conspiracists.)
William Kelly of The Education Forum said this in the post linked below:
"Apparently Von Pein is not his real name and he's so afraid of the
truth he won't post a picture of himself, so he's disqualified on two
points. He's concerned about his "privacy"? He calls Simkin a crackpot and
me a flying monkey but doesn't have the balls to join the debate?" --
William Kelly; 02/01/09
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13965&view=findpost&p=162299
Kelly (as well as Pat Speer) seem to think that I wrote the post linked
below:
www.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/912fbc1f4e9aa1f7
Somebody should teach William Kelly how to read forum posts. Because it's
quite obvious that the post which Kelly/Speer credit as being mine was
written by "slats", who used to post common-sense stuff at The Edu. Forum,
which is why the kooks hated his guts there too.
Another interesting (and deceptive) thing that Kelly did in the above
Education Forum post was to add in the web address to my JFK Blog at the
bottom of that message. Kelly added that weblink HIMSELF. Because that
link does not appear in either my original post to which "slats" was
responding or in the post "slats" made.
Seems to me as though Mr. Kelly is trying to pull the wool over somebody's
eyes there at the Edu. Forum by ADDING IN something that never appeared in
the aaj posts he was quoting from, making it look as if I (DVP), myself,
had "signed" that post with my blog address. That's pretty darn deceptive,
IMO.
Anyway, maybe I should thank Mr. Kelly for the free advertising, since I
have no way of posting a link to my JFK Blog on that Edu. Forum myself.
BTW/FYI:
I did not refuse to post a picture of myself during my short-lived stay at
The Education Forum in July of 2006. I told Mr. Simkin that I did not have
any picture to post (which was the absolute truth; I had none at all
available).
I was in the process of trying to work out some kind of a compromise
regarding my adhering to the Forum rule about all members must place a
picture in their profiles (even though, as I pointed out to Mr. Simkin at
that time in 2006, there were several long-time members in mid-'06 who
were not fulfilling that requirement as well), when Mr. Simkin decided to
cut off my membership after only four days of posting. Therefore, no such
"photo compromise" could be worked out.
David Von Pein
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b36952c6d1927688
REPEATED PASSAGE FROM THE ABOVE LONGER POST (JUST FOR EMPHASIS,
BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS REALLY QUITE INTERESTING):
Seems to me as though Mr. [William] Kelly is trying to pull the wool
jfk...@gmail.com
> Here's a little something that indicates that certain people at The
> Education Forum can't even follow the progression of a simple forum
> thread, and are unable to identify the people who are making the posts.
> (It's either that explanation, or Bill Kelly just simply cannot read....or
> he thinks that Mr. Slattery [aka "slats"] is another one of the many fake
> names I'm supposed to be using on the Internet, per the conspiracists.)
>
> William Kelly of The Education Forum said this in the post linked below:
>
> "Apparently Von Pein is not his real name and he's so afraid of the
> truth he won't post a picture of himself, so he's disqualified on two
> points. He's concerned about his "privacy"? He calls Simkin a crackpot and
> me a flying monkey but doesn't have the balls to join the debate?" --
> William Kelly; 02/01/09
>
More excuses from "DVP" to attempt to justify his not posting on the
Ed Forum and instead complaining about it here. Guess this is the
kind of mishmash one can expect from a died-in-the-wool WC apologist.
Brokedad
Actually! For the record, it is Thomas Harvey Purvis.
That person who showed you as well as the remainder of the world this:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0449a.htm
Which tells one where impact of the last shot occurred.
As well as this: (CE585)
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0144b.htm
And this:
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/40/4074-001.gif
And thereafter pretty well informed everyone that these ARE NOT the
survey plats from the SS Assassination reenactment of December 1963.
The reality is that this is the FBI Survey Plat for the FBI
assassination reenactment of 2/7/64. in which the FBI
accurately plotted the impact point of the third/last/final shot fired
in the assassination.
That being the shot which impacted JFK's head directly in front of
James Altgens position, and which slope distance
is in reality 297 feet from the sixth floor window of the TSDB to the
impact point in front of Altgens.
(Note: As well as informing everyone that the SS Survey Plat also has
this exact same last shot impact point, exactly as James Altgens
stated) directly in front of where he was standing.
Then, I progressed to inform as to how the WC easily made the third/
last/final shot impact disappear, primarily by not even showing any
frame of the Zfilm past the Z334 point which is prior to James Altgens
coming into view.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++
Mr. SPECTER. And how was the ending point of that frame sequence,
being No. 334, fixed?
Mr. SHANEYFELT. It was fixed as several frames past the shot that hit
the President in the head. Frame 313 is the frame showing the shot to
the President's head, and it ends at 334.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++
And then, "moving" Altgens position on paper so that it appeared to
those who do not know the difference and/or actually know how to
conduct research, that Altgens was actually standing between the
Moorman/Hill location and the TSDB.
All of which actually requires research on the part of an individual
to actually figure out. As opposed to merely "Parroting" the WC's
asinine SBT and even more asinine "THE SHOT THAT MISSED".
And since I most assuredly am not more qualified than was either the
SS or the FBI to resolve the quite simple aspects of the
assassination, rest assured that Lyndal Shaneyfelt also knew exactly
where shot#3 impact was as he left behind a written record of this
knowledge.
Last, for the "official" record:
Thomas H. Purvis
Former Captain, United States Army
Combat Veteran of Vietnem
Tours of service with: 82nd Airborne Division; 173rd Airborne
Brigade; 3rd Special Forces Group; 5th Special Forces Group; 6th
Special Forces Group; Commanding Officer Advanced Airborne Division/
Specialized Training Department/Special Forces Schools; Commanding
Officer Special Forces Underwarter Operations Division/Specialized
Training Department/Special Forces Schools; HALO Instructor/HALO
Committee/Specialized Training Department/Special Forces Schools.
Meritorious Service Medal
Bronze Star Medal (2nd award)
Special Forces Officer
Special Forces Instructor Rating
Nuclear Weapons Employment Officer
Master Parachutist Rating
HALO qualification (Military Free-Fall Parachutist)*
*Participant in training jumps from altitudes which reached 29,700
feet in altitude.
Diver Qualification
Special Forces Narrator for US Strike Command Demonstration BRASS
STRIKE V and BRASS STRIKE VI
Participant in promotional film for President's Council on Physical
Fitness with CAPTAIN James Lovell (Apollo XIII Commander)
Former President 2nd Infantry Division Sport Parachute Club (South
Korea)_
USPA Class "C" and Jumpmaster Sport Parachutist ratings
PADI (Professional Association of Diving Instructors) Instructor
rating.
So, one can hardly blame those who attempt to "hide" behind some phony
name and thereafter claim their great knowledge on the JFK
assassination when in fact all that they know is how to "Parrot" what
the Warren Commission fed the world, and are thereafter afraid to let
the world and research community know who they actually are.
In event that they were so sufficiently proud of their accomplishments
in believing the WC, then one would think that they
would also be so proud of this great accomplishment that they would
not be afraid to allow the world to know exactly who they truly are.
P.S. Also the one who gave the world the ever so "slight/sleight-of-
hand" manipulations which the WC pulled with the survey data:
Anthony Marsh
If I remember correctly the Education Forum requires registration and
that you use your REAL name.
William Yates
The Education Forum is not accepting new members right now. So how is
DVP supposed to post there if he didn't register when they were?
And isn't kind of inappropriate for you of all people to be complaining
about this? How many "AAJ Reject" posts have you done in the nuthouse?
jas
Hey Dave VP-- don't you see? The schoolgirls gossiping over at
Simkin's house think you're part of the JFK conspiracy.!
Hahahahahahhaaaaaa...
David Von Pein
>>> "More excuses from "DVP" to attempt to justify his not posting on the
Ed Forum and instead complaining about it here. Guess this is the kind of
mishmash one can expect from a died-in-the-wool WC apologist." <<<
Or -- it's the kind of raw truth you can expect from a person who posted
for four days at a forum that detests the likes of lone- assassin
believers.
Your choice.
David Von Pein
>>> "If I remember correctly the Education Forum requires registration and
that you use your REAL name." <<<
Yes. Correct. Which I did.
So what's your point?
Anthony Marsh
> On Jan 30, 8:29�pm, David Von Pein<davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>> That other Education Forum thread was started by Tom "I Can't Say It
>> Here At aaj Because The Post Will Certainly Be Rejected If I Call Him
>> This Name" Purvis back in September '08.
>
>
>
> Actually! For the record, it is Thomas Harvey Purvis.
>
> That person who showed you as well as the remainder of the world this:
>
> http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0449a.htm
>
> Which tells one where impact of the last shot occurred.
>
> As well as this: (CE585)
>
> http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0144b.htm
>
>
> And this:
>
> http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/40/4074-001.gif
>
> And thereafter pretty well informed everyone that these ARE NOT the
> survey plats from the SS Assassination reenactment of December 1963.
>
> The reality is that this is the FBI Survey Plat for the FBI
> assassination reenactment of 2/7/64. in which the FBI
> accurately plotted the impact point of the third/last/final shot fired
> in the assassination.
>
Yes, wonderful. Accurately plotted on the inaccurate West map. That
helps a lot.
> That being the shot which impacted JFK's head directly in front of
> James Altgens position, and which slope distance
> is in reality 297 feet from the sixth floor window of the TSDB to the
> impact point in front of Altgens.
>
What frame are you talking about and where do you get the 297 feet?
> (Note: As well as informing everyone that the SS Survey Plat also has
> this exact same last shot impact point, exactly as James Altgens
> stated) directly in front of where he was standing.
>
> Then, I progressed to inform as to how the WC easily made the third/
> last/final shot impact disappear, primarily by not even showing any
> frame of the Zfilm past the Z334 point which is prior to James Altgens
> coming into view.
>
I fail to see this point.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> +++++++++++
> Mr. SPECTER. And how was the ending point of that frame sequence,
> being No. 334, fixed?
> Mr. SHANEYFELT. It was fixed as several frames past the shot that hit
> the President in the head. Frame 313 is the frame showing the shot to
> the President's head, and it ends at 334.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> +++++++++
>
> And then, "moving" Altgens position on paper so that it appeared to
> those who do not know the difference and/or actually know how to
> conduct research, that Altgens was actually standing between the
> Moorman/Hill location and the TSDB.
>
Who did that? Which exhibit?
jfk...@gmail.com
wrote:
Since John Simkin initiated a thread on "DVP" I have little doubt he would
find a way for him to post if he was willing to abide by the rules.
Are you now the aaj/acj arbiter? I thought that was Barb's job? I could
have posted many more than I have. Why are my posts rejected at aaj in
the first place? Because more often than not McAdams gets unmasked. :-0
David Von Pein
PAM SAID (ON THE EDU. FORUM):
>>> "I feel sure John Simkin would find a way for "DVP" to post if he were to pony up bio info and photo; especially since it was John who initiated this thread." <<<
DVP SAYS:
I have no problem with revealing "bio" type info (e.g., location, age,
e-mail address). In fact, I almost always "pony up" such info on
websites where a "Profile" is made available to the world):
www.youtube.com/user/DavidVonPein
And I don't really have a problem with providing a photo either. It's
just that (in 2006) I did not have a photo available.
I have discovered, however, a very small picture that I could use as a
profile image (although it will probably show up way too blurry and
indistinct if it's blown up much at all).
But I'm certainly willing to sign up again as an active member at The
Education Forum (if John Simkin hasn't banned me completely after my
dismissal three years ago). Does he allow people to re-join after
they've been previously kicked off? I have no idea about that. ~shrug~
Anyway, I'm game.....if John S. is.
Bud
It`s always interesting to read Pam`s interpretation of what someone
says. The way she reads what is written explains the conclusions she
draws. How could she not be a CT?
jfk...@gmail.com
Yet another excuse from "DVP". But that is why they are called
'apologists'.
jfk...@gmail.com
You have to use your real name "DVP", and you have to provide bio
information connected to it. Plus, you have to post a photo, which
you refused to do. Get real.
jfk...@gmail.com
Simkin started the thread to find out if "DVP" is an actual person.
You figure it out.
Peter Fokes
Ever been to Mooresville?
:-)
Regards,
Peter Fokes,
Toronto
Dave Reitzes
Can Pam get through even a single post without making things up? :-0
Dave
P.S. :-0
slats
Sadly, the Edu-rats can't even keep track of a simple thread discussion.
And to think I compared them to animals as intelligent as monkeys. They
wish. Yes, Bill Kelly is the same old geezer who threatened physical
violence against me during my brief stay in Simkin's cyber dictatorship.
Of course, violence and the Left go hand in hand. All you have to do is
watch an anti-war, anti-G8, or anti-Israel rally. I'd love to humiliate
Mr. Kelly some more, but his thin-skinned, censorious, CIA-obsessed
moderator banned me well over a year ago. Fairly certain DVP was exiled a
week or so later. Gee, does anyone sense a pattern here? Why it's almost
as if no dissenting voices are welcomed there. What *is* welcomed there?
Platitudes to failed Senate candidate Caroline Kennedy (lol!) and GHWB
conspiracy theories. Just another day in crackpotland.
Dave Reitzes
Has Robert Charles-Dunne posted a photo yet?
Dave
William Yates
Never claimed to be an arbiter of anything. Just noting that it is
inappropriate for you to complain about anyone else doing something you do
on a regular basis.
> I thought that was Barb's job?
Don't think she ever claimed to be an arbiter of anything either.
> I could
> have posted many more than I have.
I'm not surprised.
> Why are my posts rejected at aaj in
> the first place?
There rejected because you don't "abide by the rules." You know, the
thing you just said DVP would have to do to post at the Ed Forum, but
which you apparently do not feel you have to do here.
> Because more often than not McAdams gets unmasked. :-0
Um, no.
>
David Von Pein
>>> "You have to use your real name[,] "DVP"..." <<<
I did. (Your disbelief notwithstanding, of course.)
>>> "...and you have to provide bio information connected to it." <<<
Does such mandatory info stop at "locale, age, race, sex, favorite cereal,
and shoe size"? Or do I have to provide my blood type and last 12
employers as well in order to satisfy Mr. Simkin's hunger for useless
data?
>>> "Plus, you have to post a photo, which you refused to do." <<<
Incorrect. (As usual.)
>>> "Get real." <<<
I have.
Maybe you, though, should learn to read (and comprehend correctly), Pam.
That'd help greatly.
Plus, it would probably help if you would refrain from hanging a label of
suspicion on people when you have so little reason to do so.
But, hey, maybe I'm just being totally unreasonable to expect such
restraint from a conspiracy believer.
Bud
If you really wanted to "get real" you`d acknowledge that the only
reason they started enforcing the photograph requirement was to contrive a
reason to kick DVP out. If it wasn`t for him posting there, it would have
never been an issue, as it wasn`t strictly enforced prior to his
participation in that forum (and as far as I can tell, there are still
members who haven`t provided a photo, but these mostly lurk without
posting). The "real" reason they wanted him gone is that he keeps bringing
up that pesky evidence that gets in the way of the silly things they want
to believe.
jfk...@gmail.com
> On 2/1/2009 11:38 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Here's a little something that indicates that certain people at The
> > Education Forum can't even follow the progression of a simple forum
> > thread, and are unable to identify the people who are making the posts.
> > (It's either that explanation, or Bill Kelly just simply cannot read....or
> > he thinks that Mr. Slattery [aka "slats"] is another one of the many fake
> > names I'm supposed to be using on the Internet, per the conspiracists.)
>
> > William Kelly of The Education Forum said this in the post linked below:
>
> > "Apparently Von Pein is not his real name and he's so afraid of the
> > truth he won't post a picture of himself, so he's disqualified on two
> > points. He's concerned about his "privacy"? He calls Simkin a crackpot and
> > me a flying monkey but doesn't have the balls to join the debate?" --
> > William Kelly; 02/01/09
>
You do. You also have to have a photo as your avatar and a bio that
provides some information about you. Hard for a persona to do that.
Brokedad
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The "real" reason they wanted him gone is that he keeps bringing up that
pesky evidence that gets in the way of the silly things they want to
believe."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Has not seemed to bother me that much. Perhaps age has something to do
with it in recognizing that our creator fully endowed us with the ability
to be as completely ignorant of given facts as we so desire to be.
The question being the relatively degree of ignorance!
One who states that the WC is the "Gospel" truth v. One who states the WC
is a misrepsentation of the truth, and unfortunately begins to chase
mythological creatures in an attempted search for the truths.
So! Which one is the more ignorant?
Correct me if wrong (and I am certain that someone will), but did not the
Catholic Church once inform everyone that the Earth was the center of the
universe.
Thank the creator for doubters!!!!!!!
Dave Reitzes
Gossip, gossip, gossip.
Dave
Barb Junkkarinen
wrote:
Why? Anyone who can create a "persona" can come up with a pic and
create a bio to go with it.
You seem obsessed with ragging on DVP as being a "persona" ... yet you
created several fake ID e addreses a few months ago to attack me and a
couple others. Not knowing what an IP address is, you got outed
immediately.<g>
But isn't it more than a tad hypocritical for you to make it such a
pursuit to rag on someone else who you accuse of creating a persona
... when you don't have any proof it's true in the first place ... and
when you have done the same thing yourself?
LOL
Barb Junkkarinen
wrote:
When you get right down to it, what difference does it male? What any
of us have to deal with are the words others put out.... regardless of
who, or what, thay are. Holoe them to meeting you on the evidence,
beat them on it ... and it doesn't matter who or what they are.
Spemd valuable time in any forum that is supposed to be about serious
interest and research into the case chasing such nonsense, just looks
silly ... and allows any nefarious "personas" to win .... because they
have sicceeded in distracting from discussion of actual research on
evidence and issues.
You, Pam, do little else but distract from discussion of actual
research on evidence and issues with nonsense like this on DVP and
others ... particularly those who don't buy Judyth's story.
Is that your goal?
Anthony Marsh
Fake? You mean like claiming to be someone she isn't? I thought that is
what it was alleged David did? So, now you try to accuse her of doing
the same thing someone else did? What's that called in psychology? Is
that transference?
> But isn't it more than a tad hypocritical for you to make it such a
> pursuit to rag on someone else who you accuse of creating a persona
> ... when you don't have any proof it's true in the first place ... and
> when you have done the same thing yourself?
>
To complain about WC defenders using aliases is like complaining about
the fact that the sun rises every day.
> LOL
>
>
jfk...@gmail.com
> On 2/8/2009 1:30 AM, Barb Junkkarinen wrote:
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>
>
Apologists are allowed free reign. They can do no wrong. They never
lie. We should all be grateful they exist.
Dave Reitzes
> On Jan 24, 10:59 am, Dave Reitzes <dreit...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13965
>
> There are now TWO threads about DVP at the Simkin forum.
>
> Not bad for someone who doesn't even exist.
>
> Dave �\:^)
Three Von Pein threads at the Simkin forum . . . and counting.
Dave
Dave Reitzes
It need not be a recent photo, David. I can think of several Simkin
regulars who use some rather, shall we say, "dated" images of
themselves.
Dave
Barb Junkkarinen
>On Jan 30, 9:26?pm, Dave Reitzes <dreit...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 24, 10:59 am, Dave Reitzes <dreit...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13965
>>
>> There are now TWO threads about DVP at the Simkin forum.
>>
>> Not bad for someone who doesn't even exist.
>>
>> Dave ?\:^)
>
>
>Three Von Pein threads at the Simkin forum . . . and counting.
>
>Dave
He must be seen as an effective threat on something to garner so much
interest and attention??
Barb :-)
Dave Reitzes
wrote:
One Nuthouse psycho is even calling upon people to bomb DVP's home
residence.
It's a swell class of people over there.
Dave
sirs...@fast.net
Yah, I noticed that also. I`d say some of the photos used are at least
30 years old. If they ever open up admissions, I`m thinking of using one
of my baby pictures. Man, I was a cute baby.