A Poem from my Daughter
George Dance
us):
Haiku are quite easy
though sometimes they make no sense;
refrigerator.
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
Haiku are just the same as we humanoids
Few cents but no sense at any time
paraphrase-- "I don't have no sense, I don't
have no sense at all."
Stuart Leichter
'More-More' Moshki at secto...@yahoo.com wrote on 5/25/07 2:07 PM:
Polar Bears in tub
one to other: "Pass the soap"
"No soap, radio".
Dennis M. Hammes
San Francisco haiku.
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George Dance
> George Dance wrote:
> > My daughter asked me to share this poem (author unknown to either of
> > us):
>
> > Haiku are quite easy
> > though sometimes they make no sense;
> > refrigerator.
>
> San Francisco haiku.
>
Hmm. Remind me of the first poem I ever memorized. It was from a
Beverley Hillbillies episode in which (for some reason connected with
the Drysdales) a Beat Poet from San Francisco was staying with the
Clampetts.
One day Granny found the poet standing on his head against a wall. He
told her he was meditating; when she asked why he told her (more or
less), "When I meditate, my brains soar." So she explained that it
was sore because all his blood was rushing to it, and pulled him
down.
He was a bit upset, and told her that was how he wrote his poetry.
She asked if he'd written a poem; he told her he had, and recited it
(and this part I've committed to memory):
Blue cheesecake
A silver spoon in the sand
The seaweed barks at me.
So she turned him upside down again, and left him there to write a
better one.
Dennis M. Hammes
I can't do that /physically/ over a modem, so...
David
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Hmmm.... the Bev. Hillbillies dates you a bit...
....espcially since you saw each episode about
fifteen years before we did...
Dennis M. Hammes
JeeZ... I knew NeeZees were... retarded, but I hadn't... realised...
Barbara's Cat
> "George Dance" wrote:
>
> > "Dennis M. Hammes"wrote:
Where did George say he saw the original broadcast?
He could have seen it last year in a rerun, idiot.
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"George Dance" wrote:
Old school television had a grip on the Beat scene, no doubt... the Addams
Family hosted a poetry gathering, while the Munsters took it on down the
Highway 61.
I'm sitting here with the television blasting on the side like old time
radio, and Lucy and Ricky Ricardo are going through the old "handcuffed by
accident" routine (TVLand could do a compilation of these, since it seems
everyone on sitcom tv went through this at least once).
An old locksmith from Yonkers is there to set 'em free but is more
interested in Ricardo's music, as his wife is a fan... and he says "For
Christmas I'll give her a drum."
So, in L&T tradition, what were the chances Dylan was sitting up one night,
smoking weed and writing LMZNL, and the late night reruns playing soft off
to the side is this "I Love Lucy" episode? It would have been about a decade
old at the time, and probably in syndication prime... just a morning coffee
thought to toss out which was of at least a passing Dylan interest.
TVLand is also running the original Star Trek series these days, so recently
I caught the lines he used in the Empire Burlesque material, which was also
amusing.
Yeah, Beat Haiku, which Kerouac called "American Haiku":
"The American Haiku is not exactly the Japanese
Haiku. The Japanese Haiku is strictly disciplined
to seventeen syllables but since the language
structure is different I don't think American
Haikus (short three-line poems intended to be
completely packed with Void of Whole) should worry about syllables because
American speech is something again...bursting to pop.
Above all, a Haiku must be very simple and free
of all poetic trickery and make a little picture
and yet be as airy and graceful as a Vivaldi
Pastorella."
Jack Kerouac
Jack Kerouac Haiku collection:
http://users.rcn.com/jhudak.interport/Jack.html
Kerouac reading & singing:
http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html
Anyway, either way, Kerouac set the standard for America, am I right?
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> "George Dance" <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
My man, I've already been dated. A month ago I confessed that a poem
I'd written, to Maureen on our 30th anniversary, was
autobiographical. That makes me at least 45; born the year BH came to
air, and 9 when it ended. But in fact I'm a bit older than that.
George Dance
Especially since (I've learned) the first two seasons somehow ended up
in the public domain - meaning shows from them are always popping up
on off-hour TV. In this case, though, David's assumption was right,
and I watched the series when it originally aired.
George Dance
As soon as I read those lines, I heard Ricky Nelson in my mind.
> So, in L&T tradition, what were the chances Dylan was sitting up one night,
> smoking weed and writing LMZNL, and the late night reruns playing soft off
> to the side is this "I Love Lucy" episode? It would have been about a decade
> old at the time, and probably in syndication prime... just a morning coffee
> thought to toss out which was of at least a passing Dylan interest.
>
It's interesting. A while back I was reading some posts on the "Dylan
ripped off Timrod" controversy, and I read a good article on that; the
writer came up with a dozen or so other sources that Dylan "ripped
off" in the same song - his point being that the way they've been
recombined, to say something new, makes them original art. (I doubt
I'd be able to find the article again, unfortunately.)
> TVLand is also running the original Star Trek series these days, so recently
> I caught the lines he used in the Empire Burlesque material, which was also
> amusing.
>
> Yeah, Beat Haiku, which Kerouac called "American Haiku":
>
> "The American Haiku is not exactly the Japanese
> Haiku. The Japanese Haiku is strictly disciplined
> to seventeen syllables but since the language
> structure is different I don't think American
> Haikus (short three-line poems intended to be
> completely packed with Void of Whole) should worry about syllables because
> American speech is something again...bursting to pop.
>
> Above all, a Haiku must be very simple and free
> of all poetic trickery and make a little picture
> and yet be as airy and graceful as a Vivaldi
> Pastorella."
> Jack Kerouac
>
> Jack Kerouac Haiku collection:
>
> http://users.rcn.com/jhudak.interport/Jack.html
>
Even more interesting. I bet some of these are good. Unfortunately I
made the mistake of reading a bunch at a time, which blunted the
impact. Really, to be read as poems, they have to be read one at a
time; I'll go back and do that later.
> Kerouac reading & singing:
>
> http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html
>
> Anyway, either way, Kerouac set the standard for America, am I right?
>
Apparently. I'm not aware of anyone talking about or writing haiku in
English before that time. That's a tentative conclusion, though,
since I don't know much about the subject; let's see what feedback, if
any, this exchange gets from the group.
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Stuart Leichter
Dance at george...@yahoo.ca wrote on 5/29/07 6:58 PM:
My bubble gum card collection of Famous Moments in Poetry includes Ezra
Pound in the Imagists Series of cards, and (although you can't trust bubble
gum card anonymous writers -- Topps and Fleer are corporate authors, if
that) gives Pound the credit for introducing and promoting 'haiku' (or
'hokku') along with other Japanese and Chinese forms in English poetry,
while he was editor of _Des Imagistes_ in 1913. Other cards in that series
include H.D., Amy Lowell, and W.C. Williams, who, coincidentally, is #1 in
the First Set and #101 in the Second Set, a double honor that Topps also
gave to only one other person: Ted Williams (in 1954 or 1955?)
Kerouac and Maynard G. Krebs, nevertheless, are the unsmug heroes and
heralds of the Prepop Age.
mau...@webtv.net
Dennis M. Hammes
> On May 29, 12:33 pm, "Will Dockery" <will.dock...@knology.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Kerouac reading & singing:
>>
>>http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html
>>
>>Anyway, either way, Kerouac set the standard for America, am I right?
>>
If anyone can be said to, it would be Fenollosa (fl. 1890) but esp.
Pound (1913-- ), strongly "finalised" by Henderson, whose three
decades in the form culminated in his highly-accessible 1958
/Introduction/.
Brits seem to prefer R.H. Blyth's 1949 /Haiku/, which also delves
into /renga/ as the origin of the form as the longer's opening /hokku/.
(N.B.: It is the /hokku/, not the haiku, that "must" contain a
"season-word." And the /renga/ already exhibits the "requirement" to
talk about a thing by saying something else.)
>
> Apparently. I'm not aware of anyone talking about or writing haiku in
> English before that time.
>
Shiki (fl. 1900), one of the "four greats," wrote and critiqued
extensively in Japanese and English about haiku in English.
"We" still use his "rules."
>
> That's a tentative conclusion, though,
> since I don't know much about the subject; let's see what feedback, if
> any, this exchange gets from the group.
>
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George Dance
> in article 1180479512.172996.133...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, George
> Dance at georgedanc...@yahoo.ca wrote on 5/29/07 6:58 PM:
I found an interesting overview from Haiku Canada (which, despite the
name, is not a government department but a magazine):
http://pages.infinit.net/haiku/histnortham.htm
On this account, haiku hit N.A. twice; first with the Vorticists, in
which it was a technique to incorporate into one's poetry; second,
with the Beats, at which time it became a mass poetry (to the extent
that any poetry style can be called 'mass'.)
George Dance
> George Dance wrote:
> > On May 29, 12:33 pm, "Will Dockery" <will.dock...@knology.net> wrote:
>
> >>Kerouac reading & singing:
>
> >>http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html
>
> >>Anyway, either way, Kerouac set the standard for America, am I right?
>
> If anyone can be said to, it would be Fenollosa (fl. 1890) but esp.
> Pound (1913-- ), strongly "finalised" by Henderson, whose three
> decades in the form culminated in his highly-accessible 1958
> /Introduction/.
> Brits seem to prefer R.H. Blyth's 1949 /Haiku/, which also delves
> into /renga/ as the origin of the form as the longer's opening /hokku/.
> (N.B.: It is the /hokku/, not the haiku, that "must" contain a
> "season-word." And the /renga/ already exhibits the "requirement" to
> talk about a thing by saying something else.)
>
> > Apparently. I'm not aware of anyone talking about or writing haiku in
> > English before that time.
>
> Shiki (fl. 1900), one of the "four greats," wrote and critiqued
> extensively in Japanese and English about haiku in English.
> "We" still use his "rules."
>
I found an intereting intro from Haiku Canada -
http://pages.infinit.net/haiku/histnortham.htm
- but it didn't mention either Fenellosa or Shiki. I'll do some
googling on them over the next couple of days.
Will Dockery
Yeah, I'd forgotten that Ricky Nelson had a big hit with "She Belongs To Me"
back in the 1960s.
His "Lonesome Town" was a great one, too:
There's a place where lovers go
To cry their troubles away.
And they call it,
Lonesome Town,
Where the broken hearts stay.
You can buy a dream or two
To last you all through the years.
And the only price you pay
Is a heart full of tears.
Goin' down to Lonesome Town,
Where the broken hearts stay.
Goin' down to Lonesome Town,
To cry my troubles away.
In the town of broken dreams,
The streets are filled with regret.
Maybe down in
Lonesome Town,
I can learn to forget.
Maybe down in
Lonesome Town,
I can learn to forget.
Lonesome Town.
> > So, in L&T tradition, what were the chances Dylan was sitting up one
night,
> > smoking weed and writing LMZNL, and the late night reruns playing soft
off
> > to the side is this "I Love Lucy" episode? It would have been about a
decade
> > old at the time, and probably in syndication prime... just a morning
coffee
> > thought to toss out which was of at least a passing Dylan interest.
>
> It's interesting. A while back I was reading some posts on the "Dylan
> ripped off Timrod" controversy, and I read a good article on that; the
> writer came up with a dozen or so other sources that Dylan "ripped
> off" in the same song -
The music is copped, sometimes note-for-note, from such people as BB King
and Bing Crosby... I had a link to a site that plays the original songs, and
they're so close to the songs Dylan "wrote" that they sound like the same
tracks sometimes.
> his point being that the way they've been
> recombined, to say something new, makes them original art. (I doubt
> I'd be able to find the article again, unfortunately.)
I can get hold of it pretty easily since I responded in that thread a few
times... Google "timrod" + "will dockery" and you should get to where you're
looking...
But while the Timrod poetry is public domain and /legally/ available (it
would have looked better for Dylan if he'd given credit to Timrod either in
the byline of the songs, or at least in the liner notes) much bigger was his
lifting of dozens of lines from the Japanese writer Dr. Saga for the songs
of "Love & Theft" back in '01.
But, like the person wrote on the use of the Timrod lines, Dylan did do some
interesting things with the lines... some of his best songs are on these two
records, imo.
Well... it /is/ Kerouac so it was pretty much impossible for him to write
something that wasn't "good", or at least "important", since everything he
wrote filled in details of the Dulouz Legend, and every detail adds to the
massive autobiography as a whole:
"...a lifetime of writing about what I'd seen with my own eyes, told in my
own words, according to the style I decided on... and put all together as a
contemporary record for future times to see what really happened and what
people really thought[...] In my old age I intend to collect all my work and
reinsert my pantheon of uniform names, leave the long shelf of books, there,
and die happy."
-Jack Kerouac
Unfortunately, or course, Kerouac never made it to "old age" and died far
from "happy"... and never had a chance to insert the uniform names and
arrange the chronology.
> > Kerouac reading & singing:
> >
> > http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html
> >
> > Anyway, either way, Kerouac set the standard for America, am I right?
>
> Apparently. I'm not aware of anyone talking about or writing haiku in
> English before that time. That's a tentative conclusion, though,
> since I don't know much about the subject; let's see what feedback, if
> any, this exchange gets from the group.
Skipping ahead, I see Stuart Leichter has named a couple other poets who
wrote Haiku for /English/... but Kerouac proposed /American/ Haiku, with all
the rough wildness unique to Americans... I'll check out his post and see
for sure if this is true... Pound was Irish, right?
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Stuart Leichter
will.d...@knology.net wrote on 5/30/07 7:06 PM:
You're thinking of Jameson's again, n'est-ce pas?
Will Dockery
When I think of Pound, I always think of his live broadcasts from Italy and
the cold coffee incident:
----
"I had withdrawn in forest and my song
Was swallowed up in leaves..."
-Robert Frost
[from the review of "A Boy's Will" by Robert Frost]:
"I remember that I was canoeing and thirsty and I put into a shanty for
water and found a man who had no water and gave me cold coffee instead. And
he didn't understand it, he was from a minor city and he "just set there
watchin' the river" and didn't "seem to want to go back," and he didn't care
for anything else. and so I presume he entered into Anunda. And I remember
Joseph Campbell telling me of meeting a man on a desolate waste of bogs, and
he said to him, "it's rather dull here"; and the man said, "Faith, ye can
sit on a middan and dream stars. And that is the essence of folk poetry with
distinction between America and Ireland. And Frost's book reminded me of
these things..."
-Ezra Pound [excerpted from "Into my Own" by John Evangelest Walsh.]
Now I'm thinking of some Jameson's in my coffee... heh.
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>
>> his point being that the way they've been
>> recombined, to say something new, makes them original art. (I doubt
>> I'd be able to find the article again, unfortunately.)
>
> I can get hold of it pretty easily since I responded in that thread a few
> times... Google "timrod" + "will dockery" and you should get to where you're
> looking...
>
> But while the Timrod poetry is public domain and /legally/ available (it
> would have looked better for Dylan if he'd given credit to Timrod either in
> the byline of the songs, or at least in the liner notes) much bigger was his
> lifting of dozens of lines from the Japanese writer Dr. Saga for the songs
> of "Love & Theft" back in '01.
Dealer's choice. Probably a little better.
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"Stuart Leichter" wrote
Which is not /American/, but Irish, right?
> while he was editor of _Des Imagistes_ in 1913. Other cards in that series
> include H.D., Amy Lowell, and W.C. Williams,
Okay, Americans... right?
> who, coincidentally, is #1 in
> the First Set and #101 in the Second Set, a double honor that Topps also
> gave to only one other person: Ted Williams (in 1954 or 1955?)
>
> Kerouac and Maynard G. Krebs, nevertheless, are the unsmug heroes and
> heralds of the Prepop Age.
Unsmug as possible.
George Dance
Oh, no; Pound made his reputation as Yeats' secretary and editor of
his poetry (in 1913), but he was born in Idaho and grew up in
Pennsylvania.
> > while he was editor of _Des Imagistes_ in 1913. Other cards in that series
> > include H.D., Amy Lowell, and W.C. Williams,
>
> Okay, Americans... right?
>
Americans, yes, but not exactly haiku writers:
HAIKU IN ENGLISH IN NORTH AMERICA
gsw...@acs.ryerson.ca<B
"in 1910, two anthologies of Japanese literature in translation were
published, one in France and one in England and both included haiku
(Higginson 1985).
"While these anthologies created little general interest, they did
catch the attention of a much-heralded group of English and American
poets headquartered in London and in Chicago between 1910 and 1917 who
called themselves the Imagists and who took a special interest in the
haiku (Pratt 1963). Its members, among whom were such luminaries as
James Joyce, D.H. Lawrence, Amy Lowell, Marianne Moore, Ezra Pound,
Carl Sandburg and William Carlos Williams, used the haiku as a model
(along with the classical Greek lyric and French symbolism of the vers
libre type) for what they considered to be the ideal poem, one "in
which the image was not a means but an end: the image was not a part
of the poem; it was the poem" (Pratt 1963, 29).
"While the Imagists thought of the haiku as an ideal, none of them
quite managed to ever write a true one."
While some poets did write haiku between the wars, the form didn't
become popular until after WWII, when
"the haiku translations of scholars H.G. Henderson (1934, 1958) and
R.H. Blyth (1949) began to be widely read (Lamb 1979a).
"Blyth's four volume Haiku became especially popular at this time
because his translations were based on the assumption that the haiku
was the poetic expression of Zen. Not surprisingly, his books
attracted the attention of the Beat school, most notably writers such
as Allen Ginsberg, Gary Snyder and Jack Kerouac, all of whom had a
prior interest in Zen. All three wrote haiku as well as about haiku.
Kerouac especially played a huge role in popularizing the form. In
fact, his book The Dharma Bums became:
'The bible to a whole generation of American youth ... it
introduces the reader to "Japhy Ryder," a character based on Gary
Snyder. Japhy writes haiku--and suddenly so do a lot of other
people ... Several of the poets I [Higginson] know first discovered
the haiku in Kerouac's novel.' (Higginson 1985, 64).
While the Beats' interest in the haiku contributed greatly to its
widespread acceptance, only Kerouac and Ginsberg wrote in the form
long enough to eventually produce small bodies of work."
George Swede, Haiku in English in North America,
http://pages.infinit.net/haiku/histnortham.htm
Will Dockery
Ah... okay... never read any biographical informantion on Pound, but the
Irish connection always seemed strong.
Interesting... thanks, and I note that once again Kerouac and Ginsberg led
the way.
George Dance
Pretty much what the author of the article I rememberd said. I found
it, BTW; it was actually a webbed article by Robert Polito (who edited
Kenneth Fearing's /Selected Poems/. Here's the link:
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/feature.html?id=178703
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> Interesting... thanks, and I note that once again Kerouac and Ginsberg led
> the way.
>
Jesusfuck, this cocksucking illiterate stuff is easy.
Will Dockery
Yeah, that's the one... still, the use of multiple lines by another writer
is a situation I'd hate to have to deal with enough that I'll continue to
think up my own. Here's a good piece on the borrowings from the Japaenese
writer, which he turned into some fantastic works, actually some of his best
work ever:
----
"CONFESSIONS OF A YAKUZA" BY JUNICHI SAGA" "LOVE AND THEFT" BY BOB
DYLAN**
<http://www.csudh.edu/dearhabermas/plagiarbk010.htm>
"My old man would sit there like a feudal lord..." ("Confessions of a
Yakuza," page 6) "My old man, he's like some feudal lord/Got more lives
than a cat" ("Floater")
"If it bothers you so much," she'd say, " why don't you just shove off?"
("Confessions," page 9) "Juliet said back to Romeo, 'Why don't you just
shove off/If it bothers you so much?'" ("Floater")
"My mother...was the daughter of a wealthy farmer...(she) died when I was
eleven...I heard that my father was a traveling salesman who called at the
house regularly, but I never met him. (My uncle) was a nice man, I won't
forget him...After my mother died, I decided it'd be best to go and try my
luck there." ("Confessions," pages 57-58) "My mother was a daughter of a
wealthy farmer/My father was a traveling salesman, I never met him/When my
mother died, my uncle took me in -- he ran a funeral parlor/He did a lot of
nice things for me and I won't forget him" ("Po' Boy")
"Break the roof in!" he yelled.... (He) splashed kerosene over the floor and
led a fuse from it outside." ("Confessions," page 63) "Yes,
I'm leaving in the morning just as soon as the dark clouds lift/Gonna break
the roof in -- set fire to the place as a parting gift" ("Summer
Days")
"I won't come anymore if it bothers you." ("Confessions," page 139)
"Some things are too terrible to be true/I won't come here no more if it
bothers you" ("Honest With Me")
"D'you think I could call myself a yakuza if I couldn't stand up to some old
businessman?" ("Confessions," page 141) "D'you think I could call myself a
yakuza if I couldn't stand up to some old businessman?"
("Confessions," page 141)
" ...I heard he caused some kind of trouble that put him on bad terms with
the younger men.... A good bookie makes all the difference in a gambling
joint-- it's up to him whether a session comes alive or falls flat.... But
even kicking him out wasn't as easy as that.... So I decided to wait a while
and see how it worked out.... But age doesn't matter in that business....
Age by itself just doesn't carry any weight. ("Confessions," pages 153- 155)
"The old men 'round here, sometimes they get on/Bad terms with the younger
men, But old, young , age don't carry weight/It doesn't matter in the end"
("Floater")
"Things come alive or they fall flat" ("Floater") "It's not always easy
kicking someone out/Gotta wait a while - it can be an unpleasant task"
("Floater")
"Actually, though, I'm not as cool or forgiving as I might have sounded."
("Confessions," page 158) "I'm not quite as cool or forgiving as I
sound/I've seen enough heartaches and strife" ("Floater") "Tears or not,
though, that was too much to ask...." ("Confessions," page 182) "Sometimes
somebody wants you to give something up/And tears or not, it's too much to
ask ("Floater")
"Just because she was in the same house didn't mean we were living together
as man and wife...I don't know how it looked to other people, but I never
even slept with her--not once." ("Confessions," page 208)
"Samantha Brown lived in my house for about four or five months/Don't know
how it looked to other people/I never slept with her even once"
("Lonsesome Day Blues")
"They were big, those trees--a good four feet across the trunk...."
("Confessions, page 241) "There's a new grove of trees on the outskirts of
town/The old one is long gone/Timber two-foot six across/Burns with the bark
still on" ("Floater")
"There was nothing sentimental about him--it didn't bother him at all that
some of his pals had been killed. ("Confessions," page 243) "My captain,
he's decorated -- he's well schooled and he's skilled/He's not
sentimental -- don't bother him at all/How many of his pals have been
killed" ("Lonesome Day Blues")
Dylan's "people" denied that he'd stolen the lines, about a dozen, although
they match word-for-word. To this day Saga isn't mentioned anywhere on the
cover or credits, and the song is still credited to Dylan only. I wrote here
at the time that a cool way to handle it might have been to change the
credit to the song to "Dylan-Saga", and perhaps open the door to future
collaborations between the two.
Anyway, pretty interesting...
--
Will Dockery videos:
Ozone Stigmata- Dockery/Conley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxfl_7KvFcc
The Ride (Combat Zone)- Dockery/Beck/Mallard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lZ3VAmNTWc
Greybeard Cavalier- Dockery/0x0000/Fowler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6BGlXmtzE8
Will Dockery
"Dennis M. Hammes" wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Interesting... thanks, and I note that once again Kerouac and Ginsberg
led
> > the way.
>
You do seem to take to it well, Uncle.
orthodoxbuddha
> "Dennis M. Hammes" wrote:
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting... thanks, and I note that once again Kerouac and Ginsberg
> led
>>> the way.
>> this cocksucking is easy.
>
> You do seem to take to it well, Uncle.
>
Did you know this post is a trigger for someone with PTSD? That would be
me. This is not about Jack Kerouac's American Haiku. Can you please
label your OT as such and if the post is about sex, please put that in
the subject so those of us who do not want to read about sex can avoid it?
Thank you. I look forward to discussing Gary Synder's American Haiku and
thank you for inviting me to the group.
orthodox buddha
NoLinks
Yeah, Will. Will you please start a sex thread for those of us who
wish to indulge?
Leisha
Barbara's Cat
> orthodoxbuddha <olympiada2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Goober Duck Will "Crybaby" Dockery quacked:
> >
> > > "Dennis M. Hammes" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Goober Duck Will "Bad Talent Hack" Dockery quacked:
> >
> > >>> Interesting... thanks, and I note that once again
> > >>> Kerouac and Ginsberg led the way.
> > >>
> > >> this cocksucking is easy.
> > >
> > > You do seem to take to it well, Uncle.
> >
> > Hi Will,
> > Did you know this post is a trigger for someone with PTSD? That would be
> > me. This is not about Jack Kerouac's American Haiku. Can you please
> > label your OT as such and if the post is about sex, please put that in
> > the subject so those of us who do not want to read about sex can avoid it?
> > Thank you. I look forward to discussing Gary Synder's American Haiku and
> > thank you for inviting me to the group.
> > orthodox buddha
>
> Yeah, Will. Will you please start a sex thread for those of us who
> wish to indulge?
>
> Leisha
That's just what UseNet needs --
another masturbating duck thread.
--
Cm~
"Me, my life is an open book, literally."
- Goober Duck, 24 Jan 2005
Will Dockery
"orthodoxbuddha" wrote:
>
> Hi Will,
> Did you know this post is a trigger for someone with PTSD? That would be
> me.
I didn't know you had this condition, and the post was by the idiot Dennis
Hammes, as usual tying to derail the thread with his homophobic fantasies.
But you're well aware of the scumbags who populate Usenet... Hammes is just
another in a large group of thugs.
>This is not about Jack Kerouac's American Haiku. Can you please
> label your OT as such and if the post is about sex, please put that in
> the subject so those of us who do not want to read about sex can avoid it?
> Thank you. I look forward to discussing Gary Synder's American Haiku and
> thank you for inviting me to the group.
> orthodox buddha
Anyway, here's a good snippet from Gary Snyder on haiku:
The Post Natural World
An interview with Gary Snyder.
by John Felstiner
One of the original voices of the Beat Generation, Gary Snyder has been
publishing poems for over 50 years. In addition to writing poems, Snyder has
had a firm commitment to sustainability, a concern that is echoed in both
his poems and essays. John Felstiner interviews.
John Felstiner: On the BART train this morning, someone said to me, "Ask
Gary for one haiku I can take home with me."
Gary Snyder: I don't remember who wrote this one, but . . .
Walking on the roof of hell gazing at the flowers.
That haiku makes me think of William Carlos Williams' challenge to poets
toward the end of "Asphodel, That Greeny Flower":
It is difficult
to get the news from poems
yet men die miserably every day
for lack
of what is found there.
Are haiku a concrete instance of us getting the environmental news from
poetry?
More than any other literary tradition on earth, it has been the language of
the natural world, and has had an enormously large readership for two and a
half centuries. It is not a literary career; it's an exercise in mind-focus
that everyone shares. ....
http://poetryfoundation.org/features/feature.onpoets.html?id=179396
NoLinks
How did you know I'm a duck?
Leisha
Will Dockery
"NoLinks" wrote:
>
> How did you know I'm a duck?
>
> Leisha
What makes Barbie think calling someone a duck is an insult? I like ducks.
A couple of days ago I came across a duck couple while working at
Whisperwood Apartments, they seemed to enjoy the pizza crust pieces I gave
'em.
--
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http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars
"Ozone Stigmata" by Will Dockery-Henry Conley (video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxfl_7KvFcc
OB
> What makes Barbie think calling someone a duck is an insult? I like ducks.
Looks like Dockery's finally outed himself.
Dennis M. Hammes
I dunno -- his favorite movie is still "Ex-Men."
Amadeus Jinn
"Will Dockery" <will.d...@knology.net> wrote in message news:daf84$466c85a0$18d62320$24...@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
> "NoLinks" wrote:
>>
>> How did you know I'm a duck?
>>
>> Leisha
>
> What makes Barbie think calling someone a duck is an insult? I like ducks.
>
> A couple of days ago I came across a duck couple while working at
> Whisperwood Apartments, they seemed to enjoy the pizza crust pieces I gave
> 'em.
http://Clitin.com/2ADucks.wmv
...these pics were shot right outside.
--
AJ - http://Here.Nu
http://Midis.Here.Nu
http://Art.Here.Nu
Barbara's Cat
> <quack> What <quack> makes Barbie <quack><quack><quack><quack>
> think calling <quack><quack> someone <quack> a duck <quack> is
> an insult? I <quack> like <quack> ducks <quack><quack><quack>.
--
Cm~
If it posts like a duck
and quacks like a duck,
it must be a duck.
Will Dockery
> On Jun 10, 6:13 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
>
> > What makes Barbie think calling someone a duck is an insult? I like ducks.
>
> Looks like Dockery's finally outed himself.
How so, OB?
--
"Dream Tears" by W. Dockery-B. Mallard:
http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars
"Hasty Pudding" by W. Dockery-H. Conley:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
says...
>
>On Jun 10, 8:30 pm, OB wrote:
>> On Jun 10, 6:13 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>
>> > What makes Barbie think calling someone a duck is an insult? I like ducks.
>>
>> Looks like Dockery's finally outed himself.
>
>How so, OB?
it's so exceptionablely obvious.
most sincerely,
GodBuilt
--
-----------------------------------------------
"I like to drink, I like to drive, I like to think all of the Jews got out of
the Holocaust alive, my name is Mel, and can't you tell, I like Tequila!"
Denis Leary
OB
> On Jun 10, 8:30 pm, OB wrote:
>
> > On Jun 10, 6:13 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
>
> > > What makes Barbie think calling someone a duck is an insult? I like ducks.
>
> > Looks like Dockery's finally outed himself.
>
> How so, OB?
Non-cricketers, of course.
Ask David (he's here to help) to explain "Dockery, out for a duck".
Amadeus Jinn
"Barbara's Cat" <c...@NOSPAMscientist.com> wrote in message news:MPG.20d6f1306...@127.0.0.1...
> Goober Duck Will "I'm So Very Hurt" Dockery quacked:
>
>> <quack> What <quack> makes Barbie <quack><quack><quack><quack>
>> think calling <quack><quack> someone <quack> a duck <quack> is
>> an insult? I <quack> like <quack> ducks <quack><quack><quack>.
Birdcage -TMBG
'i 'at.
>
Will Dockery
> ----
> "I had withdrawn in forest and my song
> Was swallowed up in leaves..."
> -Robert Frost
>
> [from the review of "A Boy's Will" by Robert Frost]:
>
> "I remember that I was canoeing and thirsty and I put into a shanty for
> water and found a man who had no water and gave me cold coffee instead. And
> he didn't understand it, he was from a minor city and he "just set there
> watchin' the river" and didn't "seem to want to go back," and he didn't care
> for anything else. and so I presume he entered into Anunda. And I remember
> Joseph Campbell telling me of meeting a man on a desolate waste of bogs, and
> he said to him, "it's rather dull here"; and the man said, "Faith, ye can
> sit on a middan and dream stars. And that is the essence of folk poetry with
> distinction between America and Ireland. And Frost's book reminded me of
> these things..."
>
> -Ezra Pound [excerpted from "Into my Own" by John Evangelest Walsh.]
--
Music & poetry of Will Dockery:
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
Will Dockery
George Dance
> George Dance wrote:
>
> > "Dennis M. Hammes" <scrawlm...@arvig.net> wrote:
>
> > > George Dance wrote:
>
>
> > > > My daughter asked me to share this poem (author unknown to either of
> > > > us):
> > >
> > > > Haiku are quite easy
> > > > though sometimes they make no sense;
> > > > refrigerator.
>
> > >
> > > San Francisco haiku.
> > >
> >
>
> > the Drysdales) a Beat Poet from San Francisco was staying with the
> > Clampetts.
> >
> > One day Granny found the poet standing on his head against a wall. He
> > told her he was meditating; when she asked why he told her (more or
> > less), "When I meditate, my brains soar." So she explained that it
> > was sore because all his blood was rushing to it, and pulled him
> > down.
> >
> > He was a bit upset, and told her that was how he wrote his poetry.
> > She asked if he'd written a poem; he told her he had, and recited it
> > (and this part I've committed to memory):
> >
> > Blue cheesecake
> > A silver spoon in the sand
> > The seaweed barks at me.
> >
> > So she turned him upside down again, and left him there to write a
> > better one.
>
>
> Yet another gem from the archives!
http://haiku-poems.50webs.com/more-haiku-poems.htm
(I didn't write the other one, either).
Will Dockery
Does it seem like one of thsoe "Usenet Portal" pages of some sort?
Those are almost always oddly presented, yet also oddly fascinating to look through, with really random contexts sometimes.
Will Dockery
>
> Looks like Dockery's finally outed himself.
We performed it at the sidewalk fundraiser we did on World AIDs Day, seemed appropraite:
The World AIDS Day Concert 2012 was a success, raising some bucks for the cause with our annual sidewalk show. I want to thank The Shadowville All-Stars: Alex Jordan, Gary Frankfurth, Jack Snipe, Dana Dodd, Rusty Wood, Eric M. Gunter and Brian Mallard plus special guests Mike Matthews, Jeremy Scott Hobbs, Veronica Coldiron & Intrinsic Blue, Bobby Walden and the illustrious staff of baristas at Fountain City Coffee for helping me put this shindig on. — with Intrinsic Blue and 12 others at Fountain City Coffee.
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
Will Dockery
>
> > with my name on it as the author.
>
>
>
> You can count on your close friend dockery to insist that you did write both
>
> poems repeatedly for the next ten years.
>
> Because, of course, no one is really certain of what one writes.
Well, then... I reckon you're still suffering from comprehension problems, ggamble since George Dance explained at length the source of the Haiku being discussed:
Hmm. Remind me of the first poem I ever memorized. It was from a
> the Drysdales) a Beat Poet from San Francisco was staying with the
> Clampetts.
>
> One day Granny found the poet standing on his head against a wall. He
> told her he was meditating; when she asked why he told her (more or
> less), "When I meditate, my brains soar." So she explained that it
> was sore because all his blood was rushing to it, and pulled him
> down.
>
> He was a bit upset, and told her that was how he wrote his poetry.
> She asked if he'd written a poem; he told her he had, and recited it
> (and this part I've committed to memory):
>
> Blue cheesecake
> A silver spoon in the sand
> The seaweed barks at me.
>
> So she turned him upside down again, and left him there to write a
> better one.
Chuck Lysaght
George Dance
> On 3-Dec-2012, wrote:
> >
> > with my name on it as the author.
> > (I didn't write the other one, either).
>
>
>
> Well, then.
> You can count on your close friend dockery to insist that you did write both
> poems repeatedly for the next ten years.
>
I wonder which one you'll say PJ Ross wrote, and which one you'll say Leonard Cohen wrote.
>
> Because, of course, no one is really certain of what one writes.
>
George Dance
> Gamble. You're a fuckhead.
Well, it's still early in the day. I suppose we'll have to give him time.
Will Dockery
Will Dockery
Will Dockery
> Er ... about Her.
>
>
>
> Here's a poem for your daughter,
>
> whether or not you think I oughter.
>
> Holly's hobby is to horse around.
>
> Of course, remorse is often bound
>
> to follow. So swallow your pride and crow,
>
> "Now tell me something I DON'T know!"
How about:
"Try to have your writing make sense."?
Will Dockery
> Will Dockery wrote:
> >> "Will Dockery" wrote:
> >
> > > > What makes Barbie think calling someone a duck is an insult? I like ducks.
> >
> > > Looks like Dockery's finally outed himself.
> >
> > How so, OB?
>
> Non-cricketers, of course.
>
> Ask David (he's here to help) to explain "Dockery, out for a duck".
--
Under The Radar / Will Dockery
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery/song/12609809
Will Dockery
> > > > My daughter asked me to share this poem (author unknown to either of
> > > > us):
> > >
> > > > Haiku are quite easy
> > > > though sometimes they make no sense;
> > > > refrigerator.
> > >
> > > San Francisco haiku.
> >
> > Beverley Hillbillies episode in which (for some reason connected with
> > the Drysdales) a Beat Poet from San Francisco was staying with the
> > Clampetts.
> >
> > One day Granny found the poet standing on his head against a wall. He
> > told her he was meditating; when she asked why he told her (more or
> > less), "When I meditate, my brains soar." So she explained that it
> > was sore because all his blood was rushing to it, and pulled him
> > down.
> >
> > He was a bit upset, and told her that was how he wrote his poetry.
> > She asked if he'd written a poem; he told her he had, and recited it
> > (and this part I've committed to memory):
> >
> > Blue cheesecake
> > A silver spoon in the sand
> > The seaweed barks at me.
> >
> > So she turned him upside down again, and left him there to write a
> > better one.
>
> Family hosted a poetry gathering, while the Munsters took it on down the
> Highway 61.
>
> I'm sitting here with the television blasting on the side like old time
> radio, and Lucy and Ricky Ricardo are going through the old "handcuffed by
> accident" routine (TVLand could do a compilation of these, since it seems
> everyone on sitcom tv went through this at least once).
>
> An old locksmith from Yonkers is there to set 'em free but is more
> interested in Ricardo's music, as his wife is a fan... and he says "For
> Christmas I'll give her a drum."
>
> So, in L&T tradition, what were the chances Dylan was sitting up one night,
> smoking weed and writing LMZNL, and the late night reruns playing soft off
> to the side is this "I Love Lucy" episode? It would have been about a decade
> old at the time, and probably in syndication prime... just a morning coffee
> thought to toss out which was of at least a passing Dylan interest.
>
> TVLand is also running the original Star Trek series these days, so recently
> I caught the lines he used in the Empire Burlesque material, which was also
> amusing.
>
> Yeah, Beat Haiku, which Kerouac called "American Haiku":
>
> "The American Haiku is not exactly the Japanese
> Haiku. The Japanese Haiku is strictly disciplined
> to seventeen syllables but since the language
> structure is different I don't think American
> Haikus (short three-line poems intended to be
> completely packed with Void of Whole) should worry about syllables because
> American speech is something again...bursting to pop.
>
> Above all, a Haiku must be very simple and free
> of all poetic trickery and make a little picture
> and yet be as airy and graceful as a Vivaldi
> Pastorella."
> Jack Kerouac
>
> Jack Kerouac Haiku collection:
>
> http://users.rcn.com/jhudak.interport/Jack.html
>
> Kerouac reading & singing:
>
> http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html
>
> Anyway, either way, Kerouac set the standard for America, am I right?
Will Dockery
michaelmalef...@gmail.com
My personal favorite of Mr. Nelson's songs.
Will Dockery
> > His "Lonesome Town" was a great one, too:
>
> My personal favorite of Mr. Nelson's songs.
Will Dockery
> On May 26, 2:56 pm, "Dennis M. Hammes"wrote:
> > > My daughter asked me to share this poem (author unknown to either of
> > > us):
> >
> > > Haiku are quite easy
> > > though sometimes they make no sense;
> > > refrigerator.
> >
> > San Francisco haiku.
> >
>
> Hmm. Remind me of the first poem I ever memorized. It was from a
> Beverley Hillbillies episode in which (for some reason connected with
> the Drysdales) a Beat Poet from San Francisco was staying with the
> Clampetts.
>
> One day Granny found the poet standing on his head against a wall. He
> told her he was meditating; when she asked why he told her (more or
> less), "When I meditate, my brains soar." So she explained that it
> was sore because all his blood was rushing to it, and pulled him
> down.
>
> He was a bit upset, and told her that was how he wrote his poetry.
> She asked if he'd written a poem; he told her he had, and recited it
> (and this part I've committed to memory):
>
> Blue cheesecake
> A silver spoon in the sand
> The seaweed barks at me.
>
> So she turned him upside down again, and left him there to write a
> better one.
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=283752&page=2
Leslie Eckhardt wrote:
"...an episode of December Bride where Lily (Spring Byington) did a similar "beatnik" impersonation. She even read a similar type of poetry:
"Bless-ed are the depress-ed.
Caress-ed are the depress-ed.
Surpress-ed are the Depress-ed.
For they sleep on a bed of nails."
The title to this show may have been "The Beat Generation" and it came late in the series. You haven't lived until you've seen Verna Felton in beatnik drag!"
Read more: http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=283752&page=2#ixzz31b379CXQ
Will Dockery
> in article 1180479512.1...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, George
> Dance at george...@yahoo.ca wrote on 5/29/07 6:58 PM:
> >> Family hosted a poetry gathering, while the Munsters took it on down the
> >> Highway 61.
> >>
> >> I'm sitting here with the television blasting on the side like old time
> >> radio, and Lucy and Ricky Ricardo are going through the old "handcuffed by
> >> accident" routine (TVLand could do a compilation of these, since it seems
> >> everyone on sitcom tv went through this at least once).
> >>
> >> An old locksmith from Yonkers is there to set 'em free but is more
> >> interested in Ricardo's music, as his wife is a fan... and he says "For
> >> Christmas I'll give her a drum."
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >> So, in L&T tradition, what were the chances Dylan was sitting up one night,
> >> smoking weed and writing LMZNL, and the late night reruns playing soft off
> >> to the side is this "I Love Lucy" episode? It would have been about a decade
> >> old at the time, and probably in syndication prime... just a morning coffee
> >> thought to toss out which was of at least a passing Dylan interest.
> >>
> >
> >
> > ripped off Timrod" controversy, and I read a good article on that; the
> > writer came up with a dozen or so other sources that Dylan "ripped
> > off" in the same song - his point being that the way they've been
> > recombined, to say something new, makes them original art. (I doubt
> > I'd be able to find the article again, unfortunately.)
> >
> >> TVLand is also running the original Star Trek series these days, so recently
> >> I caught the lines he used in the Empire Burlesque material, which was also
> >> amusing.
> >>
> >> Yeah, Beat Haiku, which Kerouac called "American Haiku":
> >>
> >> "The American Haiku is not exactly the Japanese
> >> Haiku. The Japanese Haiku is strictly disciplined
> >> to seventeen syllables but since the language
> >> structure is different I don't think American
> >> Haikus (short three-line poems intended to be
> >> completely packed with Void of Whole) should worry about syllables because
> >> American speech is something again...bursting to pop.
> >>
> >> Above all, a Haiku must be very simple and free
> >> of all poetic trickery and make a little picture
> >> and yet be as airy and graceful as a Vivaldi
> >> Pastorella."
> >> Jack Kerouac
> >>
> >> Jack Kerouac Haiku collection:
> >>
> >> http://users.rcn.com/jhudak.interport/Jack.html
> >>
> >
> >
> > made the mistake of reading a bunch at a time, which blunted the
> > impact. Really, to be read as poems, they have to be read one at a
> > time; I'll go back and do that later.
> >
> >
> >> Kerouac reading & singing:
> >>
> >> http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html
> >>
> >> Anyway, either way, Kerouac set the standard for America, am I right?
> >>
> >
> >
> > English before that time. That's a tentative conclusion, though,
> > since I don't know much about the subject; let's see what feedback, if
> > any, this exchange gets from the group.
>
> My bubble gum card collection of Famous Moments in Poetry includes Ezra
> Pound in the Imagists Series of cards, and (although you can't trust bubble
> gum card anonymous writers -- Topps and Fleer are corporate authors, if
> that) gives Pound the credit for introducing and promoting 'haiku' (or
> 'hokku') along with other Japanese and Chinese forms in English poetry,
> while he was editor of _Des Imagistes_ in 1913. Other cards in that series
> include H.D., Amy Lowell, and W.C. Williams
Okay, a decade later and I'm catching up on this group who change poetry to "modern" in 1910-1920, the group that loosely also includes Tramp Poets such as Vachel Lindsay and Harry Kemp.
Will be exploring H.D. in the next couple of days here, as well as re-exploring Lowell and Williams/
> who, coincidentally, is #1 in
> the First Set and #101 in the Second Set, a double honor that Topps also
> gave to only one other person: Ted Williams (in 1954 or 1955?)
>
> Kerouac and Maynard G. Krebs, nevertheless, are the unsmug heroes and
> heralds of the Prepop Age.
Will Dockery
https://medium.com/@jeremylr/saluting-the-artistic-integrity-of-rick-nelson-30-years-after-his-shocking-death-ed5a28ca679e
"You heard a lot of the ballads, and they’re great, but you didn’t really get the sense that this guy loved rock & roll and made some great rock & roll records.
Those records did not get played, which is weird, as “Stood Up” was a No. 2 hit, “Waitin’ in School” went to №18 — these were huge records. Even “Believe What You Say,” a №4 hit — I doubt I ever heard that on the radio while growing up in the late sixties and early seventies.
I bet I heard his cover of Bob Dylan’s “She Belongs to Me” (No. 33) and “Easy to Be Free” (No. 48) in late ’69, early ’70. Again, “Garden Party” was where I really learned about him, and the story behind the song is fantastic. It’s a moral victory; how can you not root for this guy?"
Will Dockery
> My daughter asked me to share this poem (author unknown to either of
> us):
>
>
> Haiku are quite easy
> though sometimes they make no sense;
> refrigerator.
Will Dockery
> On Friday, May 25, 2007 at 5:05:19 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > My daughter asked me to share this poem (author unknown to either of
> > us):
> >
> >
> > Haiku are quite easy
> > though sometimes they make no sense;
> > refrigerator.
>
> She's
:)
Will Dockery
Thanks again for the bump.
😀
Frank Jernigan
> My daughter asked me to share this poem (author unknown to either of
> us):
>
>
> Haiku are quite easy
> though sometimes they make no sense;
> refrigerator.
George Sulzbach
ibsh...@gmail.com
> My daughter asked me to share this poem (author unknown to either of
> us):
>
>
> Haiku are quite easy
> though sometimes they make no sense;
> refrigerator.
You ate all the plums.
I had them saved for breakfast.
You lousy bastard.
Coco DeSockmonkey
ibsh...@gmail.com
Clay Dockery
Will Dockery
> On May 26, 2:56 pm, "Dennis M. Hammes" <scrawlm...@arvig.net> wrote:
>
> > > My daughter asked me to share this poem (author unknown to either of
> > > us):
> >
> > > Haiku are quite easy
> > > though sometimes they make no sense;
> > > refrigerator.
> >
> >
>
> Hmm. Reminds me of the first poem I ever memorized. It was from a
> the Drysdales) a Beat Poet from San Francisco was staying with the
> Clampetts.
>
> One day Granny found the poet standing on his head against a wall. He
> told her he was meditating; when she asked why he told her (more or
> less), "When I meditate, my brains soar." So she explained that it
> was sore because all his blood was rushing to it, and pulled him
> down.
>
> He was a bit upset, and told her that was how he wrote his poetry.
> She asked if he'd written a poem; he told her he had, and recited it
> (and this part I've committed to memory):
>
> Blue cheesecake
> A silver spoon in the sand
> The seaweed barks at me.
>
> So she turned him upside down again, and left him there to write a
> better one.
Michael Pendragon
sentelals...@gmail.com
> My daughter asked me to share this poem (author unknown to either of
> us):
>
>
> Haiku are quite easy
> though sometimes they make no sense;
> refrigerator.
Brainiac Five
George J. Dance
George J. Dance
I have eaten
the plums
that were in
the icebox
and which
you were probably
saving
for breakfast
Forgive me
they were delicious
so sweet
and so cold
I wrote my own response once, called "This is Just too Gay":
All the plums?
you bitch
no i won't
forgive you
you're getting
such a slap
ssum...@gmail.com
> My daughter asked me to share this poem (author unknown to either of
> us):
>
>
> Haiku are quite easy
> though sometimes they make no sense;
> refrigerator.
George Sulzbach
General Zod
General Zod
Brother Dave
> My daughter asked me to share this poem (author unknown to either of
> us):
>
>
> Haiku are quite easy
> though sometimes they make no sense;
> refrigerator.
Will Dockery
😊
Zod
Zod
General Zod
Brainiac Five
> "George Dance" wrote:
> >
> > > > > So, in L&T tradition, what were the chances Dylan was sitting up one
> night,
> > > > > smoking weed and writing LMZNL, and the late night reruns playing
> soft off
> > > > > to the side is this "I Love Lucy" episode? It would have been about
> a decade
> > > > > old at the time, and probably in syndication prime... just a morning
> coffee
> > > > > thought to toss out which was of at least a passing Dylan interest.
> > >
> > > > It's interesting. A while back I was reading some posts on the "Dylan
> > > > ripped off Timrod" controversy, and I read a good article on that; the
> > > > writer came up with a dozen or so other sources that Dylan "ripped
> > > > off" in the same song -
> > >
> King
> > > and Bing Crosby... I had a link to a site that plays the original songs,
> and
> > > they're so close to the songs Dylan "wrote" that they sound like the
> same
> > > tracks sometimes.
> > > > his point being that the way they've been
> > > > recombined, to say something new, makes them original art. (I doubt
> > > > I'd be able to find the article again, unfortunately.)
> > >
> few
> > > times... Google "timrod" + "will dockery" and you should get to where
> you're
> > > looking...
> > >
> > > But while the Timrod poetry is public domain and /legally/ available (it
> > > would have looked better for Dylan if he'd given credit to Timrod either
> in
> > > the byline of the songs, or at least in the liner notes) much bigger was
> his
> > > lifting of dozens of lines from the Japanese writer Dr. Saga for the
> songs
> > > of "Love & Theft" back in '01.
> > >
> > > But, like the person wrote on the use of the Timrod lines, Dylan did do
> some
> > > interesting things with the lines... some of his best songs are on these
> two
> > > records, imo.
> >
> > Pretty much what the author of the article I rememberd said. I found
> > it, BTW; it was actually a webbed article by Robert Polito (who edited
> > Kenneth Fearing's /Selected Poems/. Here's the link:
> > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/feature.html?id=178703
>
> Yeah, that's the one... still, the use of multiple lines by another writer
> is a situation I'd hate to have to deal with enough that I'll continue to
> think up my own. Here's a good piece on the borrowings from the Japaenese
> writer, which he turned into some fantastic works, actually some of his best
> work ever:
>
> ----
> "CONFESSIONS OF A YAKUZA" BY JUNICHI SAGA" "LOVE AND THEFT" BY BOB
> DYLAN**
>
> <http://www.csudh.edu/dearhabermas/plagiarbk010.htm>
>
> "My old man would sit there like a feudal lord..." ("Confessions of a
> Yakuza," page 6) "My old man, he's like some feudal lord/Got more lives
> than a cat" ("Floater")
>
> "If it bothers you so much," she'd say, " why don't you just shove off?"
> ("Confessions," page 9) "Juliet said back to Romeo, 'Why don't you just
> shove off/If it bothers you so much?'" ("Floater")
>
> "My mother...was the daughter of a wealthy farmer...(she) died when I was
> eleven...I heard that my father was a traveling salesman who called at the
> house regularly, but I never met him. (My uncle) was a nice man, I won't
> forget him...After my mother died, I decided it'd be best to go and try my
> luck there." ("Confessions," pages 57-58) "My mother was a daughter of a
> wealthy farmer/My father was a traveling salesman, I never met him/When my
> mother died, my uncle took me in -- he ran a funeral parlor/He did a lot of
> nice things for me and I won't forget him" ("Po' Boy")
>
> "Break the roof in!" he yelled.... (He) splashed kerosene over the floor and
> led a fuse from it outside." ("Confessions," page 63) "Yes,
> I'm leaving in the morning just as soon as the dark clouds lift/Gonna break
> the roof in -- set fire to the place as a parting gift" ("Summer
> Days")
>
> "I won't come anymore if it bothers you." ("Confessions," page 139)
> "Some things are too terrible to be true/I won't come here no more if it
> bothers you" ("Honest With Me")
>
> "D'you think I could call myself a yakuza if I couldn't stand up to some old
> businessman?" ("Confessions," page 141) "D'you think I could call myself a
> yakuza if I couldn't stand up to some old businessman?"
> ("Confessions," page 141)
> " ...I heard he caused some kind of trouble that put him on bad terms with
> the younger men.... A good bookie makes all the difference in a gambling
> joint-- it's up to him whether a session comes alive or falls flat.... But
> even kicking him out wasn't as easy as that.... So I decided to wait a while
> and see how it worked out.... But age doesn't matter in that business....
> Age by itself just doesn't carry any weight. ("Confessions," pages 153- 155)
> "The old men 'round here, sometimes they get on/Bad terms with the younger
> men, But old, young , age don't carry weight/It doesn't matter in the end"
> ("Floater")
> "Things come alive or they fall flat" ("Floater") "It's not always easy
> kicking someone out/Gotta wait a while - it can be an unpleasant task"
> ("Floater")
> "Actually, though, I'm not as cool or forgiving as I might have sounded."
> ("Confessions," page 158) "I'm not quite as cool or forgiving as I
> sound/I've seen enough heartaches and strife" ("Floater") "Tears or not,
> though, that was too much to ask...." ("Confessions," page 182) "Sometimes
> somebody wants you to give something up/And tears or not, it's too much to
> ask ("Floater")
>
> "Just because she was in the same house didn't mean we were living together
> as man and wife...I don't know how it looked to other people, but I never
> even slept with her--not once." ("Confessions," page 208)
> "Samantha Brown lived in my house for about four or five months/Don't know
> how it looked to other people/I never slept with her even once"
> ("Lonsesome Day Blues")
>
> "They were big, those trees--a good four feet across the trunk...."
> ("Confessions, page 241) "There's a new grove of trees on the outskirts of
> town/The old one is long gone/Timber two-foot six across/Burns with the bark
> still on" ("Floater")
>
> "There was nothing sentimental about him--it didn't bother him at all that
> some of his pals had been killed. ("Confessions," page 243) "My captain,
> he's decorated -- he's well schooled and he's skilled/He's not
> sentimental -- don't bother him at all/How many of his pals have been
> killed" ("Lonesome Day Blues")
>
> Dylan's "people" denied that he'd stolen the lines, about a dozen, although
> they match word-for-word. To this day Saga isn't mentioned anywhere on the
> cover or credits, and the song is still credited to Dylan only. I wrote here
> at the time that a cool way to handle it might have been to change the
> credit to the song to "Dylan-Saga", and perhaps open the door to future
> collaborations between the two.
>
> Anyway, pretty interesting...
>
> --
> Will Dockery videos:
>
> Ozone Stigmata- Dockery/Conley:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxfl_7KvFcc
>
> The Ride (Combat Zone)- Dockery/Beck/Mallard:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lZ3VAmNTWc
>
> Greybeard Cavalier- Dockery/0x0000/Fowler:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6BGlXmtzE8
> write
> > > something that wasn't "good", or at least "important", since everything
> he
> > > wrote filled in details of the Dulouz Legend, and every detail adds to
> the
> > > massive autobiography as a whole:
> > >
> > > "...a lifetime of writing about what I'd seen with my own eyes, told in
> my
> > > own words, according to the style I decided on... and put all together
> as a
> > > contemporary record for future times to see what really happened and
> what
> > > people really thought[...] In my old age I intend to collect all my work
> and
> > > reinsert my pantheon of uniform names, leave the long shelf of books,
> there,
> > > and die happy."
> > > -Jack Kerouac
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, or course, Kerouac never made it to "old age" and died
> far
> > > from "happy"... and never had a chance to insert the uniform names and
> > > arrange the chronology.
> > > > > Kerouac reading & singing:
> > >
> > > > >http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html
> > >
> > > > > Anyway, either way, Kerouac set the standard for America, am I
> right?
> > >
> > > > Apparently. I'm not aware of anyone talking about or writing haiku in
> > > > English before that time. That's a tentative conclusion, though,
> > > > since I don't know much about the subject; let's see what feedback, if
> > > > any, this exchange gets from the group.
> > >
> > > wrote Haiku for /English/... but Kerouac proposed /American/ Haiku, with
> all
> > > the rough wildness unique to Americans... I'll check out his post and
> see
> > > for sure if this is true... Pound was Irish, right?
Fascinating read....
George J. Dance
Rex Hester Jr.
Rex Hunter Jr.
> On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 12:19:37 PM UTC-5, Brother Dave Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, May 25, 2007 at 1:05:19 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > My daughter asked me to share this poem (author unknown to either of
> > > us):
> > >
> > >
> > > Haiku are quite easy
> > > though sometimes they make no sense;
> > > refrigerator.
> >
> > What a