Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Get involved in the 2012 Ron Paul Campaign
jeremy hawk
I have researched and gotten info.
This is the last chance at a peaceful solution folks.I expect all of
you put in 110% in this effort.
st...@ronpaul2012.com
515-835-1914
Lets get the movement Rollin in our perspective districts.
You keeper in Arms
-Jeremy
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from him,"" I don’t believe for a minute that Islam is our enemy " -
Ron Paul (2010)
On May 14, 5:35 pm, jeremy hawk <littlehawk1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQZnS5kFXqI&feature=player_embedded
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> > I have researched and gotten info.
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> > This is the last chance at a peaceful solution folks.I expect all of
> > you put in 110% in this effort.
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> > st...@ronpaul2012.com
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> > 515-835-1914
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> > Lets get the movement Rollin in our perspective districts.
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> > You keeper in Arms
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> > -Jeremy
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> > 5
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> > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
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> - Show quoted text -
Kath McCubbins-Carlson
Kath
jeremy hawk
jeremy hawk
Ironartist
towers, you say it was the goverment I am still waiting on the cd you
said you'd send. I know a guy his pop trains police in the sandbox he
says they can be peaceful folk one day go to prayers the next and want
to kill from that moment on. I don't have any respect for some that
can't show me the same if they want to kill you or I then they are my
enemy that is all there is to it. And if ron wants to take their side
good riddance to him I would not vote for him. I understand he has
some not bad ideas but he is certainly not at the top of my list.
Now on another note Norm could you add southcentralpatriots@gmail to
this account so I don't have to keep logging out and into the
visionssteel account please sir,
thanks, have a GREAT day
jeremy hawk
jo...@visionssteel.com
jeremy hawk
Kath McCubbins-Carlson
Kath
lint...@yahoo.com
As for "Wars and rumors of wars", Fighting solves Everything.
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From: Ironartist <vision...@gmail.com>
Sender: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
jeremy hawk
I mean..Are they not on the other side of the Globe?
jeremy hawk
jeremy hawk
Kath McCubbins-Carlson
jeremy hawk
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jeremy hawk
ray southwell
Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 1:25:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron Paul Campaign
Ironartist
on my facebook page buddy you need to learn how to watch your mouth
f*** this f*** that come on man have some respect cause right now
doesn't look like you have any. I use the site to network not to cus
people up and down have a good life man you need to grow up a bit
before I deal with you anymore
On May 17, 1:12 am, jeremy hawk <littlehawk1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh!BTW Ironartist-Bin Ladens under your Bed!Mooowawawahahahahahahahahaaa!!!!
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> > Only a FED would try and deflect with a TERROR threat in the face of
> > survival and radiation
> > in the face of FREEDOM,,LIBERTY,and JUSTICE.
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> > ONLY A FED would pull this nonsensical terror threat on a FREEDOM LOVING
> > RON PAUL THREAD!
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> > And in case any of you think about killing me I sent this to the Campaign
> > For Liberty.
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> >> Kath-I have avery good feeling that you would be able to protect yourself
> >> regardless of the circumstance/s.There are some here (that I am starting to
> >> think are feds)
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> >> That would forever have you in fear of your life from Islam.I for one am
> >> not in fear of them.And if they ever possibly breached the Island I live
> >> on.(Assuming they were violent)
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> >> I mean..Are they not on the other side of the Globe?
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> >> Our radiation however is at our front door.The threat of terror and terror
> >> is nothing more than a diversion to try and take our minds off the real
> >> issues.
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> >> Such as...A years worth of weat,,,,,,ect...ect.......
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> >> It's mighty hard not to get distracted.Thats why I RARELY watch the
> >> TeeVee.
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Ironartist
need to learn respect on other peoples page. F*** this and F*** that
come on man you need to grow up a bit more before you are allowed back
on, you cut your own throat not giving me the respect you need to
apperently learn to give to others
On May 17, 7:11 am, ray southwell <rait...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Kath,
> My wife Faith and I have several grinders. We have never made bread from
> anything we have ground. We have always purchased flour. We are interested in
> making some bread. Let me know if you are available before you leave.
>
> Ray and Faith Southwell
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> ________________________________
> Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 1:25:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron Paul
> Campaign
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> Speaking of wheat...I have a stone grinder and would be more than willing to
> grind grains or legumes and also teach people how to make bread -- by hand,
> unless you want to use your mixer, which is fine, too, but putting the effort to
> do it with pure muscle (for some crazy reason) makes it taste so much YUMMIER.
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> Gotta admit, I have a superb recipe (my own) and if anybody wants it, just let
> me know! I use the same recipe for bread, rolls, cinnamon rolls, bread sticks,
> pizza crust...
>
> ...BUT...I'm leaving on the 31st of May for the states and won't be back until
> August...
>
> kath--
> Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
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jeremy hawk
Only a true hater of the Constitution,Liberty,and Freedom support these war pig elites that send our sons and daughters overseas to die for corporate gain.All under the false fake fearmongering of terror.Terror that our own CIA funds and created.
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Subject: Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron
Paul Campaign
lint...@yahoo.com
Some are misguided.
Some are uninformed.
There are four facts that control this world:
Christianity
Islam
Capitalism
Socialism
One cannot claim individualism because one is classified somewhere in the above classes.
"If you can read, thank a teacher. If you can read IN ENGLISH, thank a U.S. MARINE!"
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jeremy hawk
jeremy hawk
Ironartist
conspirecy and the u.s. was behind it all, Then I posted on my wall
how rp wasn't getting my vote, sorry that went on your news feed that
was from your setting not anything to do with me. This has nothing to
do with anything exept I don't back your guy and don't care for islam
and you got pissed, just drop it and quit acting like a little kid.
and Norm I still can't post on the SCPgmail page there isn't a reply
bar a or anything as if I am not a member from that email
> > *From: *<j...@visionssteel.com>
> > *Sender: *alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
> > *Date: *Tue, 17 May 2011 14:43:36 -0700
> > *To: *<alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com>
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> > *Subject: *RE: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron
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> > kool-aid.That <http://kool-aid.that/> stuff is bad for ya.It<http://ya.it/>inhibits critical thinking.
Kath McCubbins-Carlson
david...@hotmail.com
jeremy hawk <littleh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>You mean Muslims that we fund,and trained?LOL!Have another glass of
>kool-aid.I'm buying.
>
>And if you dont want me directing any comments toward you then stop
>commenting to my posts as well as on my threads.
>
>And why arent you over there fighting them if you believe in what you say so
>much?
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>Buck up and back up your what you say and join the Marines.
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>On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:43 PM, <jo...@visionssteel.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Ironartist <vision...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hey jeremy I blocked you from posting on my facebook accout cuz you
>>> need to learn respect on other peoples page. F*** this and F*** that
>>> come on man you need to grow up a bit more before you are allowed back
>>> on, you cut your own throat not giving me the respect you need to
>>> apperently learn to give to others
>>>
>>> On May 17, 7:11 am, ray southwell <rait...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > Kath,
>>> > My wife Faith and I have several grinders. We have never made bread from
>>> > anything we have ground. We have always purchased flour. We are
>>> interested in
>>> > making some bread. Let me know if you are available before you leave.
>>> >
>>> > Ray and Faith Southwell
>>> >
Kath McCubbins-Carlson
Kath McCubbins-Carlson
Kath
jeremy hawk
jeremy hawk
Governments ADMIT That They Carry Out False Flag Terror
Forget the claims and allegations that false flag terror - governments attacking people and then blaming others in order to create animosity towards those blamed - has been used throughout history.
This essay will solely discuss government admissions to the use of false flag terror.
For example:
- A major with the Nazi SS admitted at the Nuremberg trials that - under orders from the chief of the Gestapo - he and some other Nazi operatives faked attacks on their own people and resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland. Nazi general Franz Halder also testified at the Nuremberg trials that Nazi leader Hermann Goering admitted to setting fire to the German parliament building, and then falsely blaming the communists for the arson
- The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950's to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister
- Israel admits that an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind "evidence" implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers, and several of the Israelis later confessed) (and see this and this)
- The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and other European countries in the 1950s and blamed the communists, in order to rally people’s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism. As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: "You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security" (and see this)(Italy and other European countries subject to the terror campaign had joined NATO before the bombings occurred)
- As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in the 1960's, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interview with the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC's World News Tonight with Peter Jennings. Official State Department documents show that - only nine months before - the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and other high-level officials discussed blowing up a consulate in the Dominican Republic in order to justify an invasion of that country. (While the Joint Chiefs of Staff pushed as a serious proposal for Operation Northwoods to be carried out, cooler heads fortunately prevailed; President Kennedy or his Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara apparently vetoed the plan)
- The South African Truth and Reconciliation Council found that, in 1989, the Civil Cooperation Bureau (a covert branch of the South African Defense Force) approached an explosives expert and asked him "to participate in an operation aimed at discrediting the ANC [the African National Congress] by bombing the police vehicle of the investigating officer into the murder incident", thus framing the ANC for the bombing
- An Algerian diplomat and several officers in the Algerian army admit that, in the 1990s, the Algerian army frequently massacred Algerian civilians and then blamed Islamic militants for the killings (and see this video; and Agence France-Presse, 9/27/2002, French Court Dismisses Algerian Defamation Suit Against Author)
- Former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Hugh Shelton says that a Clinton cabinet member proposed letting Saddam kill an American pilot as a pretext for war in Iraq (and see this)
- According to the Washington Post, Indonesian police admit that the Indonesian military killed American teachers in Papua in 2002 and blamed the murders on a Papuan separatist group in order to get that group listed as a terrorist organization.
- The well-respected former Indonesian president also admits that the government probably had a role in the Bali bombings
- As reported by BBC, the New York Times, and Associated Press, Macedonian officials admit that the government murdered 7 innocent immigrants in cold blood and pretended that they were Al Qaeda soldiers attempting to assassinate Macedonian police, in order to join the "war on terror".
- Former Department of Justice lawyer John Yoo suggested in 2005 that the US should go on the offensive against al-Qaeda, having “our intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could have its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps, and fundraising operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit for real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within al-Qaeda’s ranks, causing operatives to doubt others’ identities and to question the validity of communications.”
- United Press International reported in June 2005:
U.S. intelligence officers are reporting that some of the insurgents in Iraq are using recent-model Beretta 92 pistols, but the pistols seem to have had their serial numbers erased. The numbers do not appear to have been physically removed; the pistols seem to have come off a production line without any serial numbers. Analysts suggest the lack of serial numbers indicates that the weapons were intended for intelligence operations or terrorist cells with substantial government backing. Analysts speculate that these guns are probably from either Mossad or the CIA. Analysts speculate that agent provocateurs may be using the untraceable weapons even as U.S. authorities use insurgent attacks against civilians as evidence of the illegitimacy of the resistance.
- Quebec police admitted that, in 2007, thugs carrying rocks to a peaceful protest were actually undercover Quebec police officers
- At the G20 protests in London in 2009, a British member of parliament saw plain clothes police officers attempting to incite the crowd to violence
There are many other instances of false flag attacks used throughout history proven by the historical evidence. See this, this and this. The above are only some examples of governments admitting to using false flag terror.
You can't call it a conspiracy theory when the government itself admits it.
And this is not just ancient history:
- Jimmy Carter's former National Security Adviser - Zbigniew Brzezinski - told the Senate that a terrorist act might be carried out in the U.S. and falsely blamed on Iran to justify war against that nation
- A retired 27-year CIA analyst who prepared and presented Presidential Daily Briefs and served as a high-level analyst for several presidents, would not put it past the government to "play fast and loose" with terror alerts and warnings and even events themselves in order to rally people behind the flag
History of
American False Flag Operations
The leaders of smaller and less industrialised nations are not madmen (whatever the media claims). They also are generally better informed than their citizens. In a war an attacker does not need equal forces compared to the enemy. The attacker needs a 5-fold local superiority, or better. No one begins wars without very definite objectives and a quick victory in sight. If a war with more even military balance erupts, someone has been mislead and walked into a trap (usually arranged by third party).
After the American war of Independence (1776-1779), and an English challenge to that independence (1812-1814) no single nation has planned an offensive war against the USA. It is probable that a strong coalition of Anglo-French-led European nations planned to split the USA into two states through diplomatic recognition of the Confederate states possibly followed up by naval blockade embargoing the Union. At that time the British Empire was the strongest naval power, and the French the second strongest. The events led, however, into the Civil War (1860-1865) and due to the Russian intervention 1863 (1863) on the Union's side, those European plans were quietly abandoned.
Mexican wars 1819, 1846-48: Long series of operations, commencing with the annexion of Florida (1819) and followed by a declaration of independence of Texas from Mexico (1836). Provocative troop movements near the U.S. southern border caused an incident which led to war. (It is said the US built a fortification 150 km inside the Mexican border.) The annexation of Texas by the USA and the conquest of California, New Mexico, and nearby territories followed. Mexico had a weak government at that time, because after Napoleon conquered Spain (1809) their former colonies soon revolted. Mexico had been a colony of the Spanish kingdom but now they revolted and formed a republic. There were a series of revolts, not just one.
Spanish-American war, 1898: The surprise explosion of the battleship Maine at Havana, Cuba. 255 of the crew died. The Hearst press accused the Spanish, claiming that the explosion was caused by a remote-controlled mine. The USA declared war on Spain, and conquered Philippines, Guam and Cuba. Subsequent investigations revealed that the explosion originated inside the Maine and that it was either an accident, such as a coal explosion, or some type of time bomb inside the battleship. Divers investigating the shipwreck found that the armour plates of the ship were blown bending outwards, not inwards.
World War I, 1914-1918: A U-boat torpedo hit ocean liner Lusitania near Britain and some 1200 people, including 128 Americans, on board lost their lives. Subsequent investigations revealed that the major explosions were inside the Lusitania, as it was secretly transporting 6 million pounds of artillery shells and rifle ammunition, as well as other explosives on behalf of Morgan banking corporation to help their clients, the Britain and the France. It was against US laws to transport war materials and passengers in the same ship.
World War 2, 1939-1945: A U-boat torpedo hit the ocean liner Athenia near Britain with some 1100 passengers, of which 311 were Americans. The sea was calm and only 118 people on board lost their lives. The ship was sunk because it behaved like a military transport, blackened out and zigzagging. This incident wasn't enough to precipitate war, and the Germans also refused to be provoked by several American acts of war. Americans confiscated German merchant ships, and Americans started to support the British with various lend-lease items, US volunteer pilots joined the RAF and some RAF pilots were trained in the US, US gave the British 50 old but usable WW1 destroyers and 20 modern torpedo boats, tanks, light bombers, fighter aircraft like P-40s and so on. American destroyers also escorted the convoys bound to Britain, and attacked German U-boats even far away from those convoys. The US did not maintain a neutral stance attitude towards the warring nations.
The US naval intelligence, chief of Japan desk planned and suggested "8 insults", which should bring Japan into war with the US. President Roosevelt executed this plan immediately and also added some other insults, enraging the Japan. The most serious one was a total blockade of Japanese oil imports, as agreed between the Americans, British and the Dutch. FDR also declared an all-out embargo against the Japan and forbade them the use of Panama canal, impeding Japan's access to Venezuelan oil.
The Flying Tigers volunteer air group successfully fighting the Japanese in China with some 90 fairly modern P-40Bs was another effective provocation that is not generally acknowledged by historical accounts of World War 2, most of which fail to mention any air combat action prior to 7th December 1941. But at that time the Japanese had already had lost about 100 military aircraft, mostly bombers, to the Tigers. After Pearl Harbor these squadrons were some of the the hardest-hitting ones in the US service.
The attack on Pearl Harbour followed some 6 months later. Having broken the Japanese encryption codes, the Americans knew what was going to happen, when and where, but the president did not dispatch this information to Pearl Harbor. Americans even gave their friends the British 3 Magic decrypting machines which automatically opened encrypted Japanese military traffic. But this same information was not available to the commanders of Hawaii. The movement of the fleet was also visible in the very effective radio direction finding network. Japan had an alliance with Germany, and the Germans upheld their promises by declaring the war against the USA right after the Japanese declaration.
Two scapegoats, the navy commander Admiral Husband Kimmel, and the army commander Lt. General Walter Short were found incompetent and demoted as they were allowed to retire. Short died 1949 and Kimmel 1958. In 1995, the US Congress re-examined this decision and endorsed it. Then in 2000 some archive information came to light and the US Senate passed a resolution stating that both had served in Hawaii "competently and professionally". In 1941 they were denied vital information, and even on presidential orders purposefully mislead into believing that the Japanese feet could be expected from the southwest. These commanders have yet to be rehabilited by the Pentagon.
Korean War, 1950-1953: South Korean incursions (the Tiger regiment etc.) into North Korea (1949) led to contrary claims and into war. The cause of this war propably was covert action involving leaders of Taiwan, South Korea and the US military-industrial complex (John Foster Dulles has been mentioned as an organizer of the hostilities.) After the unpublished hostilities in 1949, the communist powers were strongly backing North Korea.
Chiang Kai Sek was being abandoned, isolated and falling prey to the powerful communist Chinese operations. The right-wing South Korean ruler was expected to loose the soon-to-be-elections. The American military-industrial complex went into high gear again, and huge government orders for equipment were flowing in.
The American-led UN forces had difficult times early in the war, but after sufficient forces arrived they advanced victoriously and penetrated deep into the North Korea. The strong Chino-Russian intervention into the war once again turned the tides, the Chinese with vast armies on ground, and the Soviets less visibly with large numbers of aircraft, nearly costing the UN forces the war.
Finally the front stabilised along the original 38th parallel armistice line. The war resulted in the death of 3 million Korean Chinese and the destruction of virtually all of the Korean cities, and left Taiwan in strong American protection and South Korea firmly in the hands of the right-wing president Syngman Rhee. Some 55,000 Americans lost their lives.
Vietnam War: "The Tonkin incident", where American destroyer Maddox was supposedly attacked twice by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats in 1964 in the Gulf of Tonkin never happened. What was happening at the time were aggressive South Vietnamese raids against the North in the same general area. Huge American presence wasn't decisive and President Nixon negotiated a "peace with honour" in 1973. This war was lost, when North Vietnam finally conquered South Vietnam in 1975.
Grenada invasion: The Grenadian leader, Maurice Bishop, favouring the left and having invited Cubans to help build the infrastructure including by extending the airport to accomodate long range Soviet aircraft, was deposed and executed in October 19, 1983. Six days later the US invaded, with the proffered reason that the American medical students studying in the Grenada were in danger due the Cuban presence. The new leader supported by the US favoured more traditional values and the right.
War on Drugs: The war was launched by Richard M Nixon sometime around June 17,1971. The drug problem was found bad within the army in Viet Nam around 1968 prompting action was required towards the end of the war. Nowadays it is estimated that the military will never win the War on Drugs. The street prices of illicit drugs did not change significantly in the USA despite the military action in foreign drug-producing countries. The Colombian experience, with local military supported by the US, has shown that peace is more important than war against drugs. The Colombians have successfully negotiated some 1000s of guerrilla fighters back into the society and out of jungle.
This "war" actually seems to be a pretext for military invasions into less developed countries, where covert "bad" drug lords on behalf of western intelligence services are producing drugs into US and first world markets. This operation produces huge incomes, generating black budget money for those intelligence services managing the global drug operations.
Panama invasion: The incident between American and Panamanian troops led to invasion. The leader Noriega was changed and the earlier Carter administration plan to hand control of the canal over to Panama was cancelled. The strategic importance of the canal has surpassed any more just thinking in the US global domination policy.
US-Israeli sponsored war between Iraq and Iran, 1980-1988: The US has built power bases in the Middle East in Iran starting with the CIA-organised coup 1953, where Iranian prime minister Mossadeq was replaced with the Shah of Iran Reza Pahlavi and he by his son Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Iran was equipped with the best western military equipment, including the American F-14 fighters with Phoenix missiles and the British Chieftain MBTs. Unfortunately there was in 1979 a coup of ayatollah Khomeini replacing the Shah and founding an Islamite nation.
After this, the US warmed up relations with their good Iraqi friend Saddam Hussein, and started to build a nation capable of challenging the Iran. Iraq acquired large numbers of effective weapons including factories able to produce older versions of gas warfare agents. These would later be called WMDs, which of course they were not, being the WW1-vintage weapons.
The war broke out and was fought to exhaustion because third-party powers, especially Israel, were carefully monitoring the power balance supplying more weapons to the side which seemed to be loosing. "Too bad they both cannot loose" is how Kissinger evaluated this situation.
Desert Storm (First Gulf war), 1991): Hussein asked for permission from the US (via their ambassador April Gillespie) and got an answer that the US does not care Arab quarrels. That was a trap, and after Saddam occupied Kuwait, George Bush Sr. mobilised a coalition of some 40 nations to "liberate Kuwait" and to smash the recently-built Iraqi military power base. This also involved a media hoax, where the daughter of Kuwaiti US ambassador played nurse on TV and testified to "witnessing" Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators in Kuwait.
War on Terror: The war was launched by Bush administration October 2001. The war was claimed to be the response on terrorism, especially the 9-11 incidents. Most of the people in the world today know that these reasons are false and that those events were based on MIH type (make it happen) inside job.
Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan invasion), 7.10.2001-: Without any evidence, the former CIA-asset, a Saudi-Arabian Osama bin Laden was claimed to be the mastermind behind the 9/11 strikes at the WTC and the Pentagon. Such a complex operation, if actually executed which it was not, in this case would be much beyond the capabilities of anything in Afghanistan. Only some top ten intelligence services in the world could hope to be successful in such an operation involving forgery, infiltration, living "underground" in a foreign non-Muslim country, coordination of moves, illegal arms, hi-quality flight training, accurate aircraft navigation in no-visibility conditions and so on. Perhaps even less, because the friends of the US (at that time, still most of the world) would also have been interested in stopping the attack.
Enduring Justice (Second Gulf war), 20.3.2003-: later known with less irony as Operation Iraqi Freedom The claimed reason of the attack was that Iraq was a clear and present danger to the US with wmd's available within less than an hour after the decision to assemble them has been made. Since no wmd's were found, and after the Iraqi also scrapped some 800 long range Scud style missiles before the US coalition attack, the reason for the invasion was changed into "bringing the democracy into Iraq".
Governments from around the world admit they carry out false flag terror:
A major with the Nazi SS admitted at the Nuremberg trials that - under orders from the chief of the Gestapo - he and some other Nazi operatives faked attacks on their own people and resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland.
Nazi general Franz Halder also testified at the Nuremberg trials that Nazi leader Hermann Goring admitted to setting fire to the German parliament building, and then falsely blaming the communists for the arson.
The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950's to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister.
Israel admits that an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind "evidence" implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers, and several of the Israelis later confessed) (and see this and this.)
The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and other European countries in the 1950s and blamed the communists, in order to rally people's support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism. As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: "You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security" (and see this)(Italy and other European countries subject to the terror campaign had joined NATO before the bombings occurred)
As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in the 1960's, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interview with the former Washington
Investigative Producer for ABC's World News Tonight with Peter Jennings. Official State Department documents show that - only nine months before - the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and other high-level officials discussed blowing up a consulate in the Dominican Republic in order to justify an invasion of that country
An Algerian diplomat and several officers in the Algerian army admit that, in the 1990s, the Algerian army frequently massacred Algerian civilians and then blamed Islamic militants for the killings (and see this video; and Agence France-Presse, 9/27/2002, French Court Dismisses Algerian Defamation Suit Against Author)
According to the Washington Post, Indonesian police admit that the Indonesian military killed American teachers in Papua in 2002 and blamed the murders on a Papuan separatist group in order to get that group listed as a terrorist organization.
The well-respected former Indonesian president also admits that the government probably had a role in the Bali bombings
As reported by BBC, the New York Times, and Associated Press, Macedonian officials admit that the government murdered 7 innocent immigrants in cold blood and pretended that they were Al Qaeda soldiers attempting to assassinate Macedonian police, in order to join the "war on terror".
Former Department of Justice lawyer John Yoo suggested in 2005 that the US should go on the offensive against al-Qaeda, having "our intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could have its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps, and fundraising operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit for real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within al-Qaeda's ranks, causing operatives to doubt others' identities and to question the validity of communications."
United Press International reported in June 2005:
U.S. intelligence officers are reporting that some of the insurgents in Iraq are using recent-model Beretta 92 pistols, but the pistols seem to have had their serial numbers erased. The numbers do not appear to have been physically removed; the pistols seem to have come off a production line without any serial numbers.
Analysts suggest the lack of serial numbers indicates that the weapons were intended for intelligence operations or terrorist cells with substantial government backing. Analysts speculate that these guns are probably from either Mossad or the CIA. Analysts speculate that agent provocateurs may be using the untraceable weapons even as U.S. authorities use insurgent attacks against civilians as evidence of the illegitimacy of the resistance.
Why Should I Care?
You may ask yourself "why should I care?"
You should care because terrorism harms the economy. Specifically, a study by Harvard and the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) points out:
From an economic standpoint, terrorism has been described to have four main effects (see, e.g., US Congress, Joint Economic Committee, 2002). First, the capital stock (human and physical) of a country is reduced as a result of terrorist attacks. Second, the terrorist threat induces higher levels of uncertainty. Third, terrorism promotes increases in counter-terrorism expenditures, drawing resources from productive sectors for use in security. Fourth, terrorism is known to affect negatively specific industries such as tourism.
The Harvard/NBER concludes:
In accordance with the predictions of the model, higher levels of terrorist risks are associated with lower levels of net foreign direct investment positions, even after controlling for other types of country risks. On average, a standard deviation increase in the terrorist risk is associated with a fall in the net foreign direct investment position of about 5 percent of GDP.
Moreover:
Terrorism has contributed to a decline in the global economy (for example, European Commission, 2001).
And see this.
In addition, you should care because terror causes governments to strip liberties and civil rights from the people:
"This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector."
- Plato
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
- U.S. President James Madison
"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death".
- Adolph Hitler
"Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
- Hermann Goering, Nazi leader.
"The easiest way to gain control of a population is to carry out acts of terror. [The public] will clamor for such laws if their personal security is threatened".
- Josef Stalin
Indeed, the political causes you hold most dear will be derailed if false flag terror is carried out. To see that this is true, let's take a step back ..
Imagine, if you would, that you were a citizen in Germany right after the example of false flag terror by the Nazis discussed above had occurred. Do you believe you could have stopped the government from invading Poland by reminding Germans that war is bad and peace is good? Do you imagine you could have stopped the brownshirts and loss of domestic rights by writing about the desirability of civil liberties? Do you think that you could have convinced people that protecting the environment, or addressing human or civil rights, or helping the poor, or education, or equality, or any other political crusade was more important than "protecting the Fatherland" when Germans were terrified for their safety?
Please think about it.
The German people were whipped up into a state of hysteria and fear, because they thought they were under attack by Poles and other "bad guys". The German's were in shock, and rallied around their "strong" leader (it wasn't just the bad economy). Without first exposing the truth that the attacks were false flag attacks - which were largely the source and root cause of the German people's fears, and which allowed the German parliament and other institutions to hand Hitler total power - the sweeping away of good political causes by the wave of fear could not be stopped.
Moreover, the Nazis might have been derailed and perhaps brought to justice well before the Nuremberg trials if the false flag hoaxes had been exposed at the time. The German people could have been spared from the horrors inflicted on their nation and the world by the Nazis. And sanity and positive political changes might have prevailed in 1940's-era Germany.
Please think about it . . .
Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.
http://www.articles/Governments-From-Ar ... 9-205.html
david...@hotmail.com
That is why we should have term limits, no lobbyists, and campaign finance reform.
I enjoy reading and participating in the conversations on the forum. What I don't like is how emotional some folks get. We are all on the same side here; maybe some differences why we are here, but all on the same side.
Let's keep our differences in check and remember that we are all brothers and sisters in arms and treat each other with alittle more respect. Express your opinions with respect understanding that there are two sides, maybe more to every issue we discuss.
Luntz out.
jeremy hawk <littleh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Soak this in-
>
> Governments ADMIT That They Carry Out False Flag
>Terror<http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/02/governments-have-admitted-that-they.html>
>
>
>Forget the claims and allegations that false flag
>terror<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag>- governments attacking
>people and then blaming others in order to create
>animosity towards those blamed - has been used throughout history.
>
>This essay will solely discuss government admissions to the use of false
>flag terror.
>
>For example:
>
> - A major with the Nazi SS
>admitted<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident>at the
>Nuremberg trials that - under orders from the chief of the Gestapo -
> he and some other Nazi operatives faked attacks on their own people and
> resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland.
> Nazi general Franz Halder also testified at the Nuremberg trials that
> Nazi leader Hermann Goering
>admitted<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring#Possible_responsibility_for_the_Reichstag_fire>to
>setting fire to the German parliament building, and then falsely
>blaming
> the communists for the arson
>
>
> - The CIA admits<http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html>that
>it hired Iranians in the 1950's to pose as Communists and stage
> bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its
> democratically-elected prime minister
>
>
> - Israel admits<http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3065838,00.html#n>that
>an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several
> buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind "evidence"
> implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated
> prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers, and several of
> the Israelis later confessed) (and see
>this<http://www.stanford.edu/group/SHR/5-1/text/beinin.html>and
> this <http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/lavon.html>)
>
>
> - The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former
> head of Italian
>counterintelligence<http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,462976,00.html>
> admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out
> terror bombings in Italy and other European countries in the 1950s and
> blamed the communists, in order to rally people’s support for their
> governments in Europe in their fight against
>communism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension>.
> As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: "You had to
> attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people
> far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were
> supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to
> ask for greater
>security"<http://web.archive.org/web/20051130003012/http://www.isn.ethz.ch/php/documents/collection_gladio/synopsis.htm>(and
>see
> this <http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/GAN412A.html>)(Italy and
> other European countries subject to the terror campaign had joined NATO
> before the bombings occurred)
>
>
> - As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents
> show that in the 1960's, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a
> plan to *blow up AMERICAN airplanes* (using an elaborate plan involving
> the switching of airplanes), and also to *commit terrorist acts on
> American soil*, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an
> invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news
>report<http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1>;
> the official
>documents<http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf>;
> and watch this interview <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IygchZRJVXM>with
> the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC's World News Tonight
> with Peter Jennings. Official State Department documents show that - only
> nine months before - the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and other
> high-level officials
>discussed<http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/02/seven-months-before-operation.html>blowing
>up a consulate in the Dominican Republic in order to justify an
> invasion of that country. (While the Joint Chiefs of Staff pushed as a
> serious proposal for Operation Northwoods to be carried out, cooler heads
> fortunately prevailed; President Kennedy or his Secretary of Defense Robert
> McNamara apparently vetoed the plan)
>
>
> - The South African Truth and Reconciliation Council
>found<http://www.justice.gov.za/trc/decisions%5C2001/ac21233.htm>that,
>in 1989, the Civil Cooperation Bureau (a covert branch of the South
> African Defense Force) approached an explosives expert and asked him "to
> participate in an operation aimed at discrediting the ANC [the African
> National Congress] by bombing the police vehicle of the investigating
> officer into the murder incident", thus framing the ANC for the bombing
>
>
> - An Algerian diplomat and several officers in the Algerian army
>admit<http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P1-68004301.html>that, in the
>1990s, the Algerian army frequently massacred Algerian
> civilians and then blamed Islamic militants for the killings (and see this
> video<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVJgsb5TuTw&feature=player_embedded>;
> and Agence France-Presse, 9/27/2002, French Court Dismisses Algerian
> Defamation Suit Against Author)
>
>
> - Former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Hugh Shelton
>says<http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/10/15/clinton_official_iraq_hugh_shelton>that
>a Clinton cabinet member proposed letting Saddam kill an American
>pilot
> as a pretext for war in Iraq (and see
>this<http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/12/07/an-ex-general-drops-a-bombshell-we-were-willing-to-kill-a-u-s/>
> )
> - According to the Washington
>Post<http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-406202.html>,
> Indonesian police admit that the Indonesian military killed American
> teachers in Papua in 2002 and blamed the murders on a Papuan separatist
> group in order to get that group listed as a terrorist organization.
>
>
> - The well-respected former Indonesian president also
>admits<http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Possible-police-role-in-2002-Bali-attack/2005/10/12/1128796591857.html>that
>the
> government probably had a role in the Bali bombings
>
>
> - As reported by BBC <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3674533.stm>, the
> New York Times<http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/17/international/europe/17mace.html?th=&pagewanted=all&position=>,
> and Associated Press <http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-94026683.html>,
> Macedonian officials admit that the government murdered 7 innocent
> immigrants in cold blood and pretended that they were Al Qaeda soldiers
> attempting to assassinate Macedonian police, in order to join the "war on
> terror".
>
>
> - Former Department of Justice lawyer John Yoo
>suggested<http://www.aei.org/article/22833>in 2005 that the US should
>go on the offensive against al-Qaeda, having “our
> intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could have
> its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps, and fundraising
> operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit for
> real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within al-Qaeda’s ranks,
> causing operatives to doubt others’ identities and to question the validity
> of communications.”
>
>
> - United Press International
>reported<http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2005/06/03/UPI-hears/UPI-64911117829623/>in
>June 2005:
>
> U.S. intelligence officers are reporting that some of the insurgents in
> Iraq are using recent-model Beretta 92 pistols, but the pistols seem to have
> had their serial numbers erased. The numbers do not appear to have been
> physically removed; the pistols seem to have come off a production line
> without any serial numbers. Analysts suggest the lack of serial numbers
> indicates that the weapons were intended for intelligence operations or
> terrorist cells with substantial government backing. Analysts speculate that
> these guns are probably from either Mossad or the CIA. Analysts speculate
> that agent provocateurs may be using the untraceable weapons even as U.S.
> authorities use insurgent attacks against civilians as evidence of the
> illegitimacy of the resistance.
>
>
>
> - Quebec police admitted
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAfzUOx53Rg>that, in 2007, thugs
>carrying rocks to a peaceful protest were actually
> undercover Quebec police officers
>
>
> - At the G20 protests in London in 2009, a British member of parliament
> saw<http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/10/g20-policing-agent-provacateurs>plain
>clothes police officers attempting to incite the crowd to violence
>
>There are many other instances of false flag attacks used throughout history
>proven by the historical evidence. See
>this<http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/01/former-national-security-advisor-war-on.html>,
>this <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#As_pretexts_for_war> and
>this<http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ARTICLE5/index.html>.
>The above are only some examples of governments admitting to using false
>flag terror.
>
>You can't call it a conspiracy
>theory<http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/02/ridicule-of-conspiracy-theories-focuses.html>when
>the government itself
>admits it.
>
>And this is not just ancient history:
>
> - Jimmy Carter's former National Security Adviser - Zbigniew Brzezinski -
> told<http://web.archive.org/web/20070206230803/http://www.senate.gov/~foreign/testimony/2007/BrzezinskiTestimony070201.pdf>the
>Senate that aterrorist act might be carried out in the U.S. and
>falsely blamed on Iran to
> justify war against that nation
>
>
> - A retired 27-year CIA analyst who prepared and presented Presidential
> Daily Briefs and served as a high-level analyst for several
>presidents<http://web.archive.org/web/20051218073049/http://faculty.schreiner.edu/tomwells/ray_mcgovern_bio.htm>,
> would not put it past the government to "play fast and loose" with terror
> alerts and warnings and even events themselves in order to rally people
> behind the flag<http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/191005McGovern.htm>
>
>*
>http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/02/governments-have-admitted-that-they.html
>*
> History of
>American False Flag Operations
>
>The leaders of smaller and less industrialised nations are not madmen
>(whatever the media claims). They also are generally better informed than
>their citizens. In a war an attacker does not need equal forces compared to
>the enemy. The attacker needs a 5-fold local superiority, or better. No one
>begins wars without very definite objectives and a quick victory in sight.
>If a war with more even military balance erupts, someone has been mislead
>and walked into a trap (usually arranged by third party).
>
>After the American war of Independence (1776-1779), and an English challenge
>to that independence (1812-1814) no single nation has planned an offensive
>war against the USA. It is probable that a strong coalition of
>Anglo-French-led European nations planned to split the USA into two states
>through diplomatic recognition of the Confederate states possibly followed
>up by naval blockade embargoing the Union. At that time the British Empire
>was the strongest naval power, and the French the second strongest. The
>events led, however, into *the Civil War* (1860-1865) and due to *the
>Russian intervention 1863* (1863) on the Union's side, those European plans
>were quietly abandoned.
>
>*Mexican wars 1819, 1846-48*: Long series of operations, commencing with the
>annexion of Florida (1819) and followed by a declaration of independence of
>Texas from Mexico (1836). Provocative troop movements near the U.S. southern
>border caused an incident which led to war. (It is said the US built a
>fortification 150 km inside the Mexican border.) The annexation of Texas by
>the USA and the conquest of California, New Mexico, and nearby territories
>followed. Mexico had a weak government at that time, because after Napoleon
>conquered Spain (1809) their former colonies soon revolted. Mexico had been
>a colony of the Spanish kingdom but now they revolted and formed a republic.
>There were a series of revolts, not just one.
>
>*Spanish-American war, 1898*: The surprise explosion of the battleship Maine
>at Havana, Cuba. 255 of the crew died. The Hearst press accused the Spanish,
>claiming that the explosion was caused by a remote-controlled mine. The USA
>declared war on Spain, and conquered Philippines, Guam and Cuba. Subsequent
>investigations revealed that the explosion originated inside the Maine and
>that it was either an accident, such as a coal explosion, or some type of
>time bomb inside the battleship. Divers investigating the shipwreck found
>that the armour plates of the ship were blown bending outwards, not inwards.
>
>
>*World War I, 1914-1918*: A U-boat torpedo hit ocean liner Lusitania near
>Britain and some 1200 people, including 128 Americans, on board lost their
>lives. Subsequent investigations revealed that the major explosions were
>inside the Lusitania, as it was secretly transporting 6 million pounds of
>artillery shells and rifle ammunition, as well as other explosives on behalf
>of Morgan banking corporation to help their clients, the Britain and the
>France. It was against US laws to transport war materials and passengers in
>the same ship.
>
>*World War 2, 1939-1945*: A U-boat torpedo hit the ocean liner Athenia near
>*Korean War, 1950-1953*: South Korean incursions (the Tiger regiment etc.)
>into North Korea (1949) led to contrary claims and into war. The cause of
>this war propably was covert action involving leaders of Taiwan, South Korea
>and the US military-industrial complex (John Foster Dulles has been
>mentioned as an organizer of the hostilities.) After the unpublished
>hostilities in 1949, the communist powers were strongly backing North Korea.
>
>
>Chiang Kai Sek was being abandoned, isolated and falling prey to the
>powerful communist Chinese operations. The right-wing South Korean ruler was
>expected to loose the soon-to-be-elections. The American military-industrial
>complex went into high gear again, and huge government orders for equipment
>were flowing in.
>
>The American-led UN forces had difficult times early in the war, but after
>sufficient forces arrived they advanced victoriously and penetrated deep
>into the North Korea. The strong Chino-Russian intervention into the war
>once again turned the tides, the Chinese with vast armies on ground, and the
>Soviets less visibly with large numbers of aircraft, nearly costing the UN
>forces the war.
>
>Finally the front stabilised along the original 38th parallel armistice
>line. The war resulted in the death of 3 million Korean Chinese and the
>destruction of virtually all of the Korean cities, and left Taiwan in strong
>American protection and South Korea firmly in the hands of the right-wing
>president Syngman Rhee. Some 55,000 Americans lost their lives.
>
>*Vietnam War*: "The Tonkin incident", where American destroyer Maddox was
>supposedly attacked twice by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats in 1964 in
>the Gulf of Tonkin never happened. What was happening at the time were
>aggressive South Vietnamese raids against the North in the same general
>area. Huge American presence wasn't decisive and President Nixon negotiated
>a "peace with honour" in 1973. This war was lost, when North Vietnam finally
>conquered South Vietnam in 1975.
>
>*Grenada invasion*: The Grenadian leader, Maurice Bishop, favouring the left
>and having invited Cubans to help build the infrastructure including by
>extending the airport to accomodate long range Soviet aircraft, was deposed
>and executed in October 19, 1983. Six days later the US invaded, with the
>proffered reason that the American medical students studying in the Grenada
>were in danger due the Cuban presence. The new leader supported by the US
>favoured more traditional values and the right.
>
>*War on Drugs*: The war was launched by Richard M Nixon sometime around June
>17,1971. The drug problem was found bad within the army in Viet Nam around
>1968 prompting action was required towards the end of the war. Nowadays it
>is estimated that the military will never win the War on Drugs. The street
>prices of illicit drugs did not change significantly in the USA despite the
>military action in foreign drug-producing countries. The Colombian
>experience, with local military supported by the US, has shown that peace is
>more important than war against drugs. The Colombians have successfully
>negotiated some 1000s of guerrilla fighters back into the society and out of
>jungle.
>
>This "war" actually seems to be a pretext for military invasions into less
>developed countries, where covert "bad" drug lords on behalf of western
>intelligence services are producing drugs into US and first world markets.
>This operation produces huge incomes, generating black budget money for
>those intelligence services managing the global drug operations.
>
>*Panama invasion*: The incident between American and Panamanian troops led
>to invasion. The leader Noriega was changed and the earlier Carter
>administration plan to hand control of the canal over to Panama was
>cancelled. The strategic importance of the canal has surpassed any more just
>thinking in the US global domination policy.
>
>*US-Israeli sponsored war between Iraq and Iran, 1980-1988*: The US has
>built power bases in the Middle East in Iran starting with the CIA-organised
>coup 1953, where Iranian prime minister Mossadeq was replaced with the Shah
>of Iran Reza Pahlavi and he by his son Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Iran was
>equipped with the best western military equipment, including the American
>F-14 fighters with Phoenix missiles and the British Chieftain MBTs.
>Unfortunately there was in 1979 a coup of ayatollah Khomeini replacing the
>Shah and founding an Islamite nation.
>
>After this, the US warmed up relations with their good Iraqi friend Saddam
>Hussein, and started to build a nation capable of challenging the Iran. Iraq
>acquired large numbers of effective weapons including factories able to
>produce older versions of gas warfare agents. These would later be called
>WMDs, which of course they were not, being the WW1-vintage weapons.
>
>The war broke out and was fought to exhaustion because third-party powers,
>especially Israel, were carefully monitoring the power balance supplying
>more weapons to the side which seemed to be loosing. "Too bad they both
>cannot loose" is how Kissinger evaluated this situation.
>
>*Desert Storm (First Gulf war), 1991)*: Hussein asked for permission from
>the US (via their ambassador April Gillespie) and got an answer that the US
>does not care Arab quarrels. That was a trap, and after Saddam occupied
>Kuwait, George Bush Sr. mobilised a coalition of some 40 nations to
>"liberate Kuwait" and to smash the recently-built Iraqi military power base.
>This also involved a media hoax, where the daughter of Kuwaiti US ambassador
>played nurse on TV and testified to "witnessing" Iraqi soldiers throwing
>babies out of incubators in Kuwait.
>
>*War on Terror*: The war was launched by Bush administration October 2001.
>The war was claimed to be the response on terrorism, especially the 9-11
>incidents. Most of the people in the world today know that these reasons are
>false and that those events were based on MIH type (make it happen) inside
>job.
>
>*Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan invasion), 7.10.2001-*: Without any evidence,
>the former CIA-asset, a Saudi-Arabian Osama bin Laden was claimed to be the
>mastermind behind the 9/11 strikes at the WTC and the Pentagon. Such a
>complex operation, if actually executed which it was not, in this case would
>be much beyond the capabilities of anything in Afghanistan. Only some top
>ten intelligence services in the world could hope to be successful in such
>an operation involving forgery, infiltration, living "underground" in a
>foreign non-Muslim country, coordination of moves, illegal arms, hi-quality
>flight training, accurate aircraft navigation in no-visibility conditions
>and so on. Perhaps even less, because the friends of the US (at that time,
>still most of the world) would also have been interested in stopping the
>attack.
>
>*Enduring Justice (Second Gulf war), 20.3.2003-*: later known with less
>irony as *Operation Iraqi Freedom* The claimed reason of the attack was that
>9-205.html<http://www.articles/Governments-From-Around-th-by-George-Washington-100219-205.html>
Ironartist
again I don't do youtube on dial up, wait half the day for a 5 minute
video I have too much to do to deal with that, jeremy you told me you
would send me a cd and havn't there for buddy you lied when you told
me you would send it right out, glad it wasn't lifesaving meds cause
I'd be dead by now.
I am aginst muslims/islam actually anyone that want's to kill my
fellow Americans. Are you for this shiria law crap, must be if you say
they are peaceful. I have several friends that are in the sandbox or
have been there and not a one believes what was said on my fb page. As
the saying goes I rather die on my feet than live on my knees, and if
it is believed these are rightous people then no we do not stand on
the same side, you stand alone
Here is a link that just came across my newsfeed you might find of
interest,
http://loganswarning.com/2011/05/12/seattle-muslims-dominate-church-at-“confronting-islamophobia-conference/
On May 17, 8:20 pm, "david.lu...@hotmail.com"
> It would be nice to say we could trust our govt. But we are not trusting a govt. We are trusting men and woman, who by influence are or at some time in the future are corrupted by the bankers, corporations, elitists or the lobyists working for them.
>
> That is why we should have term limits, no lobbyists, and campaign finance reform.
>
> I enjoy reading and participating in the conversations on the forum. What I don't like is how emotional some folks get. We are all on the same side here; maybe some differences why we are here, but all on the same side.
>
> Let's keep our differences in check and remember that we are all brothers and sisters in arms and treat each other with alittle more respect. Express your opinions with respect understanding that there are two sides, maybe more to every issue we discuss.
>
> Luntz out.
>
>
>
> jeremy hawk <littlehawk1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Soak this in-
>
> > Governments ADMIT That They Carry Out False Flag
> >Forget the claims and allegations that false flag
> >terror<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag>- governments attacking
> >people and then blaming others in order to create
> >animosity towards those blamed - has been used throughout history.
>
> >This essay will solely discuss government admissions to the use of false
> >flag terror.
>
> >For example:
>
> > - A major with the Nazi SS
> >admitted<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident>at the
> >Nuremberg trials that - under orders from the chief of the Gestapo -
> > he and some other Nazi operatives faked attacks on their own people and
> > resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland.
> > Nazi general Franz Halder also testified at the Nuremberg trials that
> > Nazi leader Hermann Goering
> >blaming
> > the communists for the arson
>
> > - The CIA admits<http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html>that
> >it hired Iranians in the 1950's to pose as Communists and stage
> > bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its
> > democratically-elected prime minister
>
> > buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind "evidence"
> > implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated
> > prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers, and several of
> > the Israelis later confessed) (and see
> >this<http://www.stanford.edu/group/SHR/5-1/text/beinin.html>and
> > this <http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/lavon.html>)
>
> > - The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former
> > head of Italian
> >counterintelligence<http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,462976,00.html>
> > admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out
> > terror bombings in Italy and other European countries in the 1950s and
> > blamed the communists, in order to rally people’s support for their
> > governments in Europe in their fight against
> >communism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension>.
> > As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: "You had to
> > attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people
> > far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were
> > supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to
> > ask for greater
> > this <http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/GAN412A.html>)(Italy and
> > other European countries subject to the terror campaign had joined NATO
> > before the bombings occurred)
>
> > - As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents
> > show that in the 1960's, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a
> > plan to *blow up AMERICAN airplanes* (using an elaborate plan involving
> > the switching of airplanes), and also to *commit terrorist acts on
> > American soil*, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an
> > invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news
> >report<http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1>;
> > the official
> >documents<http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf>;
> > and watch this interview <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IygchZRJVXM>with
> > the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC's World News Tonight
> > with Peter Jennings. Official State Department documents show that - only
> > nine months before - the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and other
> > high-level officials
> > invasion of that country. (While the Joint Chiefs of Staff pushed as a
> > serious proposal for Operation Northwoods to be carried out, cooler heads
> > fortunately prevailed; President Kennedy or his Secretary of Defense Robert
> > McNamara apparently vetoed the plan)
>
> > - The South African Truth and Reconciliation Council
> >found<http://www.justice.gov.za/trc/decisions%5C2001/ac21233.htm>that,
> >in 1989, the Civil Cooperation Bureau (a covert branch of the South
> > African Defense Force) approached an explosives expert and asked him "to
> > participate in an operation aimed at discrediting the ANC [the African
> > National Congress] by bombing the police vehicle of the investigating
> > officer into the murder incident", thus framing the ANC for the bombing
>
> > - An Algerian diplomat and several officers in the Algerian army
> >admit<http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P1-68004301.html>that, in the
> >1990s, the Algerian army frequently massacred Algerian
> > civilians and then blamed Islamic militants for the killings (and see this
> > video<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVJgsb5TuTw&feature=player_embedded>;
> > and Agence France-Presse, 9/27/2002, French Court Dismisses Algerian
> > Defamation Suit Against Author)
>
> > - Former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Hugh Shelton
> >pilot
> > as a pretext for war in Iraq (and see
> > - According to the Washington
> >Post<http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-406202.html>,
> > Indonesian police admit that the Indonesian military killed American
> > teachers in Papua in 2002 and blamed the murders on a Papuan separatist
> > group in order to get that group listed as a terrorist organization.
>
> > - The well-respected former Indonesian president also
> > government probably had a role in the Bali bombings
>
> > - As reported by BBC <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3674533.stm>, the
> > Macedonian officials admit that the government murdered 7 innocent
> > immigrants in cold blood and pretended that they were Al Qaeda soldiers
> > attempting to assassinate Macedonian police, in order to join the "war on
> > terror".
>
> > - Former Department of Justice lawyer John Yoo
> >suggested<http://www.aei.org/article/22833>in 2005 that the US should
> >go on the offensive against al-Qaeda, having “our
> > intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could have
> > its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps, and fundraising
> > operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit for
> > real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within al-Qaeda’s ranks,
> > causing operatives to doubt others’ identities and to question the validity
> > of communications.”
>
> > - United Press International
>
> > U.S. intelligence officers are reporting that some of the insurgents in
> > Iraq are using recent-model Beretta 92 pistols, but the pistols seem to have
> > had their serial numbers erased. The numbers do not appear to have been
> > physically removed; the pistols seem to have come off a production line
> > without any serial numbers. Analysts suggest the lack of serial numbers
> > indicates that the weapons were intended for intelligence operations or
> > terrorist cells with substantial government backing. Analysts speculate that
> > these guns are probably from either Mossad or the CIA. Analysts speculate
> > that agent provocateurs may be using the untraceable weapons even as U.S.
> > authorities use insurgent attacks against civilians as evidence of the
> > illegitimacy of the resistance.
>
> > - Quebec police admitted
> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAfzUOx53Rg>that, in 2007, thugs
> >carrying rocks to a peaceful protest were actually
> > undercover Quebec police officers
>
> > - At the G20 protests in London in 2009, a British member of parliament
>
> >There are many other instances of false flag attacks used throughout history
> >proven by the historical evidence. See
>
>
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Ironartist
the world then tell me islam is not violent, " childern TV cartoons
over there is hatefull and filled with killing and death they are
raised to see the killing of all others as good and is what there cult
wants of them"
On May 18, 9:37 am, Ironartist <visionsst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am not going to sit here and argue with anyone, but I will say it
> again I don't do youtube on dial up, wait half the day for a 5 minute
> video I have too much to do to deal with that, jeremy you told me you
> would send me a cd and havn't there for buddy you lied when you told
> me you would send it right out, glad it wasn't lifesaving meds cause
> I'd be dead by now.
> I am aginst muslims/islam actually anyone that want's to kill my
> fellow Americans. Are you for this shiria law crap, must be if you say
> they are peaceful. I have several friends that are in the sandbox or
> have been there and not a one believes what was said on my fb page. As
> the saying goes I rather die on my feet than live on my knees, and if
> it is believed these are rightous people then no we do not stand on
> the same side, you stand alone
> Here is a link that just came across my newsfeed you might find of
jeremy hawk
The wars are not about any of that or "Terror" anyway.They are about controlling oil,opium,and valuable minerals.
Mexican drug wars now worse than Iraq
Mexican drug cartels are now as heavily armed as America’s enemies during the Iraq war and are extending their bloody conflict into the United States, say security experts.
Law enforcement agencies in American cities close to the border with Mexico — including San Diego in California, and El Paso in Texas — are “gearing up” for street confrontations with the drug gangs, which are armed with rockets and grenades and have brought death and chaos south of the border.
The confidence of the cartel chiefs has increased so much that they are moving to affluent neighbourhoods in America to kidnap Mexican businessmen and smuggle them across the border to be ransomed, a private security consultant told The Daily Telegraph.
Van Bethea, the operations director for the Steele Foundation, an American private security company that has protected foreign businessmen in Mexico as well as Iraq, said the two countries were now comparable in terms of the potential danger.
“Quite frankly, in Mexico you can’t be armed enough,” said Mr Bethea. “The dynamic of this combat is approaching the early days of the Iraq war. The cartels’ men are well trained, disciplined and are armed with the latest weaponry, including armour-piercing bullets, rocket-launchers and grenades.”
His claims were backed by Congressmen in Washington, who have said money and guns smuggled from the US were fuelling violence that was now creeping over the border.
In Ciudad Juarez, a Mexican border city of 1.5 million people, five deaths a day in January and February were attributed to drug violence.
But the recent arrival of more than 10,000 troops and federal agents has succeeded in quelling much of the violence. Soldiers have disarmed and replaced a local police force, many of whose members were believed to have been working for the cartels.
But despite the success in Ciudad Juarez, officials estimate that the Mexican cartels are already established in 230 American cities. The gangs have been blamed for killings as far afield as Anchorate, Alaska, and Atlanta, Georgia, as well as 366 kidnappings in Phoenix, Arizona, last year alone.
Mr Bethea said many Western businesses, including British companies, had invested heavily in the Mexican factories and were unable to give up doing business in the country easily.
The cartels’ ability to smuggle both guns and kidnap victims into Mexico has been facilitated by lax US border controls, although the Americans are starting to tighten up.
Janet Napolitano, the US homeland security secretary, has admitted that “carloads of cash and mega-weapons” were being transported out of America and into Mexico to fuel the fighting.
President Barack Obama will discuss the Mexican drug violence when he meets Felipe Calderón, the country’s president, in Mexico next month.
Deadlier In Mexico Than Afghanistan: Obama Sends More Troops To Afghanistan & Ignores Mexican U.S. Border.
MEXICO BEHEADS MORE PEOPLE THAN ALL OF THE MIDDLE EAST COMBINED
The bodies of three men lie together after being placed in the back of a funeral home’s pick-up truck after they were killed by unidentified gunmen in the Pacific resort city of Acapulco, Mexico, Sunday Dec. 5, 2010. At least 11 men have been killed this weekend as authorities say the battle for control of a fractured drug cartel is responsible for the rising violence in Acapulco.
In Afghanistan over 10,000 people died in violent attacks in 2010.
The Daily Times reported:
KABUL: More than 10,000 people, about a fifth of them civilians, lost their lives in violence in Afghanistan last year, an AFP count, based on official figures and an independent website tally showed on Sunday.
While Afghanistan’s Interior Ministry spokesman Zemarai Bashary revealed new figures for the number of civilians, police and militants killed in 2010 — a total of 8,560 people. In addition, the Afghan Defence Ministry said that 810 Afghan soldiers died in 2010, while independent website icasualties.org put the total death toll for international troops last year at 711.
That brought the overall number of dead from the war last year to 10,081, according to an AFP calculation. While, last year was the deadliest yet in Afghanistan’s nine-year war for international troops, according to the icasualties tally.
Meanwhile, in Mexico over 13,000 were killed in violent attacks in 2010.
The Dallas News reported:
Mexico’s drug violence in 2010 was striking not only for its scale but also for its brutality.
In the northern city of Santiago, the mayor’s body was found with the eyes gouged out. In the picturesque town of Cuernavaca, four decapitated men were hanged from a bridge along a heavily traveled highway. And in Ciudad Juárez this week, two university students were hunted through a maze of streets and killed with bullets to the head, their bodies set on fire.
In 2010, the levels of Mexican violence and the kind of extreme cruelty once reserved for Quentin Tarantino movies reached new heights, not just along the Texas-Mexico border, but in regions that were once spared such bloodshed. More than 13,000 people were killed across the country in drug violence, up from an estimated 9,600 a year earlier.
More… In 2010 over 100 police officers were murdered in the Mexican town of Juarez alone, where the drug-related death toll exceeded 3,100 during that same 12-month span.
JANET NAPOLITANO POSTURING NEW WORLD ORDER AUTHORITY, BY ABNEGATING HER DUTIE FOR U.S. BORDER SECURITY AND PURSUING INTERNATIONAL AFGHAN BORDER SECURITY.
Here is an MSNBC recent headline on more beheading in Mexico just a few miles from the American border. Over the past year there have been more beheadings in Mexico than in the vast area reaching from Pakistan to across the entirety of the Mideast and northern Africa, but there has been very little publicity on this in our controlled media. Yet, we have Americans fighting and dying half way across the world for Israel’s strategic interests, rather than for the real security of the United States. America is literally being invaded right here at home. The real threat to America was never in Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran, it was and is right here on our own border. In fact, America would have no terrorist threat at all against us except for the fact that American foreign policy has been completely hijacked by Israel and extremist Jews who dominate media, international finance, and politics.
They have supported Israeli terrorism against the Palestinians, the Lebanese, the Syrians and other Mideastern peoples. They have the most powerful lobby in Congress and provide the lion share of political campaign funds in America. In addition to this, their media power can be used to demonize any candidate who dares to stand up for America rather than Israel. At the same time it supports politicians who have betrayed America to Israel, a nation that has committed terrorism against us such as in the Lavon Affair and the attack on the USS Liberty, and who has spied on us such as in the Pollard Spy Case! Bring our troops home now and deploy them along the Mexican-American border!
jeremy hawk
jeremy hawk
DEADLINE LIVE EXCLUSIVE: Mexican Drug Cartels Place Roadside Bomb in Brownsville, Texas
April 26, 2011 by supermario
Filed under Americas, Featured
By Mario Andrade
DeadlineLive.info
April 26, 2011
Last Sunday night, authorities in Brownsville, Texas, discovered an explosive device on Highway 77, just minutes from the Mexican border. The Brownsville Bomb Squad was dispatched to neutralize the explosive device.
The drug cartels in Mexico often leave hand grenades on roads and bridges, such as the one in this photo.
The local authorities and the media are dismissing the event, calling the device ‘poorly made.’ Apparently, it was made with a modified hand grenade, and it’s being reported that it did not have a ‘detonator.’
Typical road-side bomb found in Reynosa and Matamoros, Mexico (accross the border from Brownsville, TX.). It may consist of one or more grenades attached to an eplosives or fragmentation container.
Nevertheless, there are a lot of similarities between the explosive devices used along the Mexican border towns like Reynosa and Matamoros to the one found on this side of the border, in Brownsville, Texas. The grenade appears to be an older ‘pineapple style’ device, used very often by Mexican military and Mexican drug cartels.
These types of bombs have been found numerous times in Matamoros and in Reynosa, Mexico.
Authorities are not providing very much inf
DEADLINE LIVE EXCLUSIVE: Mexican Drug Cartels Place Roadside Bomb in Brownsville, Texas
April 26, 2011 by supermario
Filed under Americas, Featured
By Mario Andrade
DeadlineLive.info
April 26, 2011
Last Sunday night, authorities in Brownsville, Texas, discovered an explosive device on Highway 77, just minutes from the Mexican border. The Brownsville Bomb Squad was dispatched to neutralize the explosive device.
The drug cartels in Mexico often leave hand grenades on roads and bridges, such as the one in this photo.
The local authorities and the media are dismissing the event, calling the device ‘poorly made.’ Apparently, it was made with a modified hand grenade, and it’s being reported that it did not have a ‘detonator.’
Typical road-side bomb found in Reynosa and Matamoros, Mexico (accross the border from Brownsville, TX.). It may consist of one or more grenades attached to an eplosives or fragmentation container.
Nevertheless, there are a lot of similarities between the explosive devices used along the Mexican border towns like Reynosa and Matamoros to the one found on this side of the border, in Brownsville, Texas. The grenade appears to be an older ‘pineapple style’ device, used very often by Mexican military and Mexican drug cartels.
These types of bombs have been found numerous times in Matamoros and in Reynosa, Mexico.
Authorities are not providing very much information about what other devices were attached to the grenade. However, on the Mexican side of the border, the drug cartels typically use booby-trapped grenades attached to other explosives or fragmenting material, mostly with the intent to terrorize people crossing bridges or driving on highways.
The improvised explosive device migh
DEADLINE LIVE EXCLUSIVE: Mexican Drug Cartels Place Roadside Bomb in Brownsville, Texas
April 26, 2011 by supermario
Filed under Americas, Featured
By Mario Andrade
DeadlineLive.info
April 26, 2011
Last Sunday night, authorities in Brownsville, Texas, discovered an explosive device on Highway 77, just minutes from the Mexican border. The Brownsville Bomb Squad was dispatched to neutralize the explosive device.
The drug cartels in Mexico often leave hand grenades on roads and bridges, such as the one in this photo.
The local authorities and the media are dismissing the event, calling the device ‘poorly made.’ Apparently, it was made with a modified hand grenade, and it’s being reported that it did not have a ‘detonator.’
Typical road-side bomb found in Reynosa and Matamoros, Mexico (accross the border from Brownsville, TX.). It may consist of one or more grenades attached to an eplosives or fragmentation container.
Nevertheless, there are a lot of similarities between the explosive devices used along the Mexican border towns like Reynosa and Matamoros to the one found on this side of the border, in Brownsville, Texas. The grenade appears to be an older ‘pineapple style’ device, used very often by Mexican military and Mexican drug cartels.
These types of bombs have been found numerous times in Matamoros and in Reynosa, Mexico.
Authorities are not providing very much information about what other devices were attached to the grenade. However, on the Mexican side of the border, the drug cartels typically use booby-trapped grenades attached to other explosives or fragmenting material, mostly with the intent to terrorize people crossing bridges or driving on highways.
The improvised explosive device might have not been armed; however, the drug cartel members might’ve been planning a ‘dry run’ or a test. Further, they may have been planning to return and install the rest of the explosives and detonators.
Last year, from Brownsville, Texas, both DEA and DHS agencies launched a campaign to capture and kill Gulf Drug Cartel leader Ezequiel Cardenas (aka Tony Tormenta) and his partner Jorge Eduardo Costilla (aka El Coss). The US Government offered a $50 million reward for the capture of the two drug lords. Cardenas was killed a few weeks later, but ‘El Coss’ escaped and is currently running the Gulf Drug Cartel.
The explosive in Brownsville might’ve been retaliation by the Gulf Drug Cartel because the DEA was behind the death of Cardenas, or perhaps their rival cartel, Los Zetas, placed the explosive as a false flag tactic in order to blame their Gulf cartel rivals.
t have not been armed; however, the drug cartel members might’ve been planning a ‘dry run’ or a test. Further, they may have been planning to return and install the rest of the explosives and detonators.
Last year, from Brownsville, Texas, both DEA and DHS agencies launched a campaign to capture and kill Gulf Drug Cartel leader Ezequiel Cardenas (aka Tony Tormenta) and his partner Jorge Eduardo Costilla (aka El Coss). The US Government offered a $50 million reward for the capture of the two drug lords. Cardenas was killed a few weeks later, but ‘El Coss’ escaped and is currently running the Gulf Drug Cartel.
The explosive in Brownsville might’ve been retaliation by the Gulf Drug Cartel because the DEA was behind the death of Cardenas, or perhaps their rival cartel, Los Zetas, placed the explosive as a false flag tactic in order to blame their Gulf cartel rivals.
ormation about what other devices were attached to the grenade. However, on the Mexican side of the border, the drug cartels typically use booby-trapped grenades attached to other explosives or fragmenting material, mostly with the intent to terrorize people crossing bridges or driving on highways.
The improvised explosive device might have not been armed; however, the drug cartel members might’ve been planning a ‘dry run’ or a test. Further, they may have been planning to return and install the rest of the explosives and detonators.
Last year, from Brownsville, Texas, both DEA and DHS agencies launched a campaign to capture and kill Gulf Drug Cartel leader Ezequiel Cardenas (aka Tony Tormenta) and his partner Jorge Eduardo Costilla (aka El Coss). The US Government offered a $50 million reward for the capture of the two drug lords. Cardenas was killed a few weeks later, but ‘El Coss’ escaped and is currently running the Gulf Drug Cartel.
The explosive in Brownsville might’ve been retaliation by the Gulf Drug Cartel because the DEA was behind the death of Cardenas, or perhaps their rival cartel, Los Zetas, placed the explosive as a false flag tactic in order to blame their Gulf cartel rivals.
Norm Olson
I too enjoy spirited debate inside the framework of emotional control.
Any debater who has spent any time behind the podium knows that
when the opponent reverts to ad hominem attacks, he's "on the ropes"
Attacking the messenger rather than the message immediately turns
people off. Consider that when you engage in a debate, there are
more than 70 other people reading what you say. If I were to poll
the forum, asking whether a certain poster is contributing or detracting
from the purpose of the forum, it might enlighten. But I don't think
I have to do that. I rely on people to use common sense and self
restraint.
I've asked that if folks on the forum wish to engage in
mud slinging and personal attacks, that they take it "off forum"
Usually I just allow emotional outbursts to settle down, but when they
continue and are directed at others on the forum, it damages what we're
trying to
do.
Nuff said
Moderator
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Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:20 PM
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Luntz out.
jeremy hawk <littleh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> blamed the communists, in order to rally people�s support for their
>go on the offensive against al-Qaeda, having �our
> intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could
> have
> its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps, and fundraising
> operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit
> for
> real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within al-Qaeda�s
> ranks,
> causing operatives to doubt others� identities and to question the
> validity
> of communications.�
ray southwell
David,
You are right on target here.
Within this group we have decided not to discuss our faith systems, because it is based on how we feel towards God. No facts just based on feelings.
I have a strong faith system based on how I feel. I have shared, how my faith gives me strength but it is still based on my feelings.
Much of the discussion you are referring to is based on feelings towards other faith systems. We do not want to discuss Christianity but will discuss Islam.
I would encourage all to discuss issues we can document and understand from information presented.
Another issue is how much time we should spend on issues that will not change things.
The US government has had many conspiracies. The books have all been written. Does studying the conspiracies change anything? If the majority of US people believed in any one conspiracy, would anything change?
Ray
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IRONARTIST
they are, I support the job our border patrol is doing along our
southern border. My most worn ball cap is a green border patrol hat to
show support because I do not like anyone sneeking in. When a mexican
sneeks in mostly they are coming for work or now the bennies our gov
wants to give them but how many middle easterners are coming in that
way and they aren't coming for the same reason they are coming in
wanting to cause mass devistation and casualties. We are over there to
trying to break the talibans grip if they have no structure then
chances of having an orginized network to get here and cause their
jhad bullcrap then apperently that is what is needed. Theres all these
conspirocies 9/11, and now bin ladens death saying he was dead years
ago, the conspirocies need thrown out and reality needs to take their
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On May 19, 10:34 am, jeremy hawk <littlehawk1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lets be clear.Government admitted False Flag Terror are not
> conspiracies.Neither is the Drug Cartel violenceon our border being more
> deadly than the Middle East.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:11 AM, ray southwell <rait...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > David,
>
> > You are right on target here.
>
> > Within this group we have decided not to discuss our faith systems, because
> > it is based on how we feel towards God. No facts just based on feelings.
>
> > I have a strong faith system based on how I feel. I have shared, how my
> > faith gives me strength but it is still based on my feelings.
>
> > Much of the discussion you are referring to is based on feelings towards
> > other faith systems. We do not want to discuss Christianity but will discuss
> > Islam.
>
> > I would encourage all to discuss issues we can document and understand from
> > information presented.
>
> > Another issue is how much time we should spend on issues that will not
> > change things.
>
> > The US government has had many conspiracies. The books have all been
> > written. Does studying the conspiracies change anything? If the majority of
> > US people believed in any one conspiracy, would anything change?
>
> > Ray
> > *From:* "david.lu...@hotmail.com" <david.lu...@hotmail.com>
>
> > *To:* alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
> > *Sent:* Tue, May 17, 2011 8:20:55 PM
>
> > *Subject:* Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron
>
> > It would be nice to say we could trust our govt. But we are not trusting a
> > govt. We are trusting men and woman, who by influence are or at some time in
> > the future are corrupted by the bankers, corporations, elitists or the
> > lobyists working for them.
>
> > That is why we should have term limits, no lobbyists, and campaign finance
> > reform.
>
> > I enjoy reading and participating in the conversations on the forum. What I
> > don't like is how emotional some folks get. We are all on the same side
> > here; maybe some differences why we are here, but all on the same side.
>
> > Let's keep our differences in check and remember that we are all brothers
> > and sisters in arms and treat each other with alittle more respect. Express
> > your opinions with respect understanding that there are two sides, maybe
> > more to every issue we discuss.
>
> > Luntz out.
>
>
> > >Soak this in-
>
> > > Governments ADMIT That They Carry Out False Flag
> > >Terror<
> > >Forget the claims and allegations that false flag
> > >terror<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag>- governments attacking
> > >people and then blaming others in order to create
> > >animosity towards those blamed - has been used throughout history.
>
> > >This essay will solely discuss government admissions to the use of false
> > >flag terror.
>
> > >For example:
>
> > > - A major with the Nazi SS
> > >admitted<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident>at the
> > >Nuremberg trials that - under orders from the chief of the Gestapo -
> > > he and some other Nazi operatives faked attacks on their own people and
> > > resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of
> > Poland.
> > > Nazi general Franz Halder also testified at the Nuremberg trials that
> > > Nazi leader Hermann Goering
> > >admitted<
> > >setting fire to the German parliament building, and then falsely
> > >blaming
> > > the communists for the arson
>
> > > - The CIA admits<
> >http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html
> > >that
> > >it hired Iranians in the 1950's to pose as Communists and stage
> > > bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its
> > > democratically-elected prime minister
>
> > > - Israel admits<
> > >a Clinton cabinet member proposed letting Saddam kill an American
> > >pilot
> > > as a pretext for war in Iraq (and see
> > >this<
> > > )
> > > - According to the Washington
> > >Post<http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-406202.html>,
> > > Indonesian police admit that the Indonesian military killed American
> > > teachers in Papua in 2002 and blamed the murders on a Papuan separatist
> > > group in order to get that group listed as a terrorist organization.
>
> > > - The well-respected former Indonesian president also
> > >admits<
> > >the
> > > government probably had a role in the Bali bombings
>
> > > - As reported by BBC <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3674533.stm>,
> > the
> > > New York Times<
> > > and Associated Press <http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-94026683.html>,
> > > Macedonian officials admit that the government murdered 7 innocent
> > > immigrants in cold blood and pretended that they were Al Qaeda soldiers
> > > attempting to assassinate Macedonian police, in order to join the "war
> > on
> > > terror".
>
> > > - Former Department of Justice lawyer John Yoo
> > >suggested<http://www.aei.org/article/22833>in 2005 that the US should
> > >go on the offensive against al-Qaeda, having “our
> > > intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could
> > have
> > > its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps, and fundraising
> > > operations. It
>
>
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jeremy hawk
jeremy hawk
ray southwell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)
lint...@yahoo.com
I agree to the fact that mulling over conspiracies does not do any good for the general well being of the population. One allegation after another shifts focus from real issues that affects our society. I believe that the socialists enjoy controversy and bickering because they can run socialist docturn through our legislative branch without notice such as, the national ID.
As far as discussions on "faith" issues: Let's get our forum to the point to where we are just as mis-directed as the rest of the lower 48, let's not offend anyone about anything.
For fear of not offending the pacifists, don't mention wounded warrior.
For fear of offending the vegitarians, don't mention hunting and canning meat.
We could go on and on about the topics not to discuss which makes me phyisically ill because according to Federal jobsite harassment polices, one cannot greet a co-worker "good morning" without being considered some form of harassment.
We even silenced some of our members in order to not offend.a member who turned out to be a FBI rat.
The very members that vote to be anti-offensive are the people society wants to silence which includes myself.
Society has succeed to supress our ethnic and cultural Iheritage.
What is our heritage?
We ride the white horse and we have been given the crown to conquer.
To tell the truth, I fear mentioning the above because I could be blocked from the forum (censored).
Personally, I am tired of being forced to keep my mouth shut in mixed company.
The bottom line is when people get offended, (hurt feelings) they cannot handle the truth.
I am getting off the subject, I guess I will go sharpen my fish hooks, clean my shotgun, find my bear tags, thaw my moose steaks.
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It would be both treasonous and criminal no mater what the endstate or greater good was considered. Operations conducted against foreign states would be most likely viewed in a negative nature and could even be considered retalitory in nature, but I would be disapointed in our intelligence services if they did not employ every tool against threats to our infrastructure, or people. Well I take that back they could do what they want to the federal reserve and i would not care.
jeremy hawk <littleh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I would think so Ray.I mean.Terror is terror and is illegal regardless of
>who is doing it.Including the good ol' U.S. Of A.
>
>On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:47 AM, ray southwell <rai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Jeremy,
>> Conspiracy defined by Wikipedia
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)
>>
>> Does the government break any laws with these false Flags?
>> Ray
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* jeremy hawk <littleh...@gmail.com>
>>
>> *To:* alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
>> *Sent:* Thu, May 19, 2011 10:34:48 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron
>> Paul Campaign
>>
>> Lets be clear.Government admitted False Flag Terror are not
>> conspiracies.Neither is the Drug Cartel violenceon our border being more
>> deadly than the Middle East.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:11 AM, ray southwell <rai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> You are right on target here.
>>>
>>> Within this group we have decided not to discuss our faith systems,
>>> because it is based on how we feel towards God. No facts just based on
>>> feelings.
>>>
>>> I have a strong faith system based on how I feel. I have shared, how my
>>> faith gives me strength but it is still based on my feelings.
>>>
>>> Much of the discussion you are referring to is based on feelings towards
>>> other faith systems. We do not want to discuss Christianity but will discuss
>>> Islam.
>>>
>>> I would encourage all to discuss issues we can document and understand
>>> from information presented.
>>>
>>> Another issue is how much time we should spend on issues that will not
>>> change things.
>>>
>>> The US government has had many conspiracies. The books have all been
>>> written. Does studying the conspiracies change anything? If the majority of
>>> US people believed in any one conspiracy, would anything change?
>>>
>>> Ray
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* "david...@hotmail.com" <david...@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> *To:* alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Sent:* Tue, May 17, 2011 8:20:55 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron
>>> >>> > >> > alaska-citizens-m...@googlegroups.com
>>> >>> > >> > For more options, visit this group athttp://
>>> >>> > >> groups.google.com/group/alaska-citizens-militia?hl=en
>>> >>> > >> > Web Site:www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > >> > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>> >>> free
>>> >>> > >> State, the
>>> >>> > >> > right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>> infringed."
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > >> --
>>> >>> > >> Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
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>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > - Show quoted text -
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
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>>> >>>
>>> >>> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>>> >>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>> >>> infringed."
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >--
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>>> >
>>> >"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>> infringed."
>>>
>>> --
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ray southwell
You stated-“One allegation after another shifts focus from real issues that affects our society.” You then go on attacking people you believe think or behave different than you.
When I was a child growing up in Detroit I thought all blacks were the same. My aunt and uncle lived in a 99% black neighborhood called Highland Park. My grandmother was mugged twice while visiting my aunt and uncle. My cousin quit school because of the threats and assaults he received from black students. Every time I went to visit, I was frightened of blacks. I felt they could not be trusted (any and all blacks) and this belief was reinforced by my father and the news media.
Today, I recognize not to place all people, different than me, into one group based on the behavior of a few.
I would encourage you not to look at groups and blame our current government situation on any particular group. This division you expressed is what the powers that be want to occur. They act like the politicians or political thought is different from group to group.
I would suggest you look at who passed the oppressive laws on the books. It is both Democrats/liberals and Republicans/conservatives.
The question is not "fear of offending" others. The question should be; does the discussion revolve around facts or preconceived ideas based on feelings? Just like I had as a child concerning blacks.
RayFrom: "lint...@yahoo.com" <lint...@yahoo.com>
To: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 9:03:26 AM
ray southwell
ray southwell
>>> >>> > >> > For more options, visit this group athttp://
>>> >>> > >> groups.google.com/group/alaska-citizens-militia?hl=en
>>> >>> > >> > Web Site:www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > >> > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>> >>> free
>>> >>> > >> State, the
>>> >>> > >> > right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>> infringed."
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > >> --
>>> >>> > >> Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
>>> >>> > >> To post send email to alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
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>>> >>> > >> Web Site: www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > >> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>> free
>>> >>> > >> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not
>>> be
>>> >>> > >> infringed."
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > > --
>>> >>> > > Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
>>> >>> > > To post send email to alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
>>> >>> > > To unsubscribe send email to
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>>> >>> > > Web Site:www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>> free
>>> >>> State,
>>> >>> > > the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>> >>> infringed."
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > > --
>>> >>> > > Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
>>> >>> > > To post send email to alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
>>> >>> > > To unsubscribe send email to
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>>> >>> > > Web Site:www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>> free
>>> >>> State,
>>> >>> > > the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>> >>> infringed."
>>> >>> > > --
>>> >>> > > Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
>>> >>> > > To post send email to alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
>>> >>> > > To unsubscribe send email to
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>>> >>> > >http://groups.google.com/group/alaska-citizens-militia?hl=en
>>> >>> > > Web Site:www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>> free
>>> >>> State,
>>> >>> > > the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>> >>> infringed."
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > > --
>>> >>> > > Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
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>>> >>> > > Web Site:www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>> free
>>> >>> State,
>>> >>> > > the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>> >>> infringed."- Hide quoted text -
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>>> >>> > - Show quoted text -
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
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>>>
>>> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>> infringed."
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
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>> For more options, visit this group at
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>>
>> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
>> the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
>>
>> --
>> Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
>> To post send email to alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
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>> For more options, visit this group at
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>>
>> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
>> the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
>>
>
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>
>"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
--
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Thanks for giving me something to think about today. However, reference Revelation 6:2.
Scott
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ray southwell
David Luntz
I guess it depends on how you judge the actions. In a utilitarianistic view - yes it probably would be a moral crime. In the cruel cold world we live in today -no.
What I said was I would be disapointed in our intelligence services if they did not employ every tool against threats to our infrastructure, or people (I would stress - verifiable / documented threats not ones dreamed up). In this case, I believe we retain right to preemptive strikes in defense of our people and our infrastructure and that response should be of course applied with the greatest concern and caution.
Unfortunetly, there is the possibility that with that type of thinking our Government leaders may not always make the wisest or most morale / ethical decisions, after all they are human and subject to imperfection from birth.
Dave
Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 09:35:29 -0700
From: rai...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron Paul Campaign
ray southwell
From: David Luntz <david...@hotmail.com>
To: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 10:42:52 PM
Subject: RE: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron Paul Campaign
david...@hotmail.com
What I'm talking about is pre-emptive strikes on "known" plans to hit our infrastructure; I.e. banking, internet, communications, ports, military installations, schools or hospitals etc... that are located within our continental borders. not our "needs" or interests, located in some run down piece crap country.
One of the problems with our country is its unsatisfiable capitalist mindset. Because of this, our corporations continue to grow and grow and make more proffit by outsourcing, now we have no production base left and rely on these countries to provide that and if they don't cooperate their leadership is replaced. I do not support that. Our capitalistic greed will ultimately end our country. We can't even sustain the ideology as witnessed by the massive corporate welfare going on I.e. stimulous programs etc. We also have too much welfare of our own people going on. All this welfare is killing us, we are dying a slow death. We claim to be capitalists but really are practicing a socialist/capitalist mix.
As far as another country being right in using pre-emptive against us. If we were offensively conducting operations to further our (corporate??) interests. Yes they would, but I'm sure our leaders would turn it around and sell our public the idea that it was not warrented and an attack on us requiring repricussions - hence the whole false flag idea.
Dave
ray southwell <rai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >>> > >> > alaska-citizens-m...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>> > >> > For more options, visit this group athttp://
>>>> >>> > >> groups.google.com/group/alaska-citizens-militia?hl=en
>>>> >>> > >> > Web Site:www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > >> > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>>> >>> free
>>>> >>> > >> State, the
>>>> >>> > >> > right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>>> infringed."
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > >> --
>>>> >>> > >> Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
>>>> >>> > >> To post send email to alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>> > >> To unsubscribe send email to
>>>> >>> infringed."- Hide quoted text -
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > - Show quoted text -
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
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>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>>>> >>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>>> >>> infringed."
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >--
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>>>> >Web Site: www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>>> >
>>>> >"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>>> infringed."
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
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>>>>
>>>> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>>> infringed."
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
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ray southwell
Dave,
Oil is at the center of our infrastructure. Without it all stops and fails.
It is my belief the oil companies want to exploit the resources of other nations. So they have for 60 years. We use our military to support the corporations and have done so for 100 years. Today, as I understand it, we have 900 military bases around the world and our military expenditure exceeds all other nation’s military expenditures, together. We talk about decreasing our “entitlement programs” but continue to support the corporate interests around the world. Remember what “entitlement programs” are-military retirement--Medicare-Social Security. It will not be the welfare toward the mega-corporations.
We agree on what is happening in the USA. To understand why, we need to look to history of the last 60 years.
I have many books on our government’s covert history of the last 100 years. My favorite is called “The CIA’s Greatest Hits.” It is, by far, my smallest book on our government’s covert history. Printed in 1994 it lists 42 “Hits.” While some of the “Hits” fall under “conspiracy theory”, most are well documented facts. Everything from protecting Nazi criminals post WWII, the overthrow of the elected Prime Minister of Iran and installing the notorious Shaw of Iran.(google-Shaw of Iran) My favorite is MK-Ultra, mind control experimentations, with the help of Universities throughout the nation. Of course, the CIA said they stopped their experimentations in 1973 after congressional hearings and exposure of the CIA’s behavior.
My point is-before judging the behavior of other nations we need to look at our behavior, in history.
I expect we will have a “terrorist attack” on our banking/internet systems. It will be a great cover of the disintegrating economic system and the government’s move to overtly control everything on the internet.
Ray>>>> >>> > >> > For more options, visit this group athttp://
>>>> >>> > >> groups.google.com/group/alaska-citizens-militia?hl=en
>>>> >>> > >> > Web Site:www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > >> > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>>> >>> free
>>>> >>> > >> State, the
>>>> >>> > >> > right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>>> infringed."
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > >> --
>>>> >>> > >> Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
>>>> >>> > >> To post send email to alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>> > >> To unsubscribe send email to
>>>> >>> > >> For more options, visit this group at
>>>> >>> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/alaska-citizens-militia?hl=en
>>>> >>> > >> Web Site: www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > >> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>>> free
>>>> >>> > >> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not
>>>> be
>>>> >>> > >> infringed."
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > > --
>>>> >>> > > Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
>>>> >>> > > To post send email to alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>> > > To unsubscribe send email to
>>>> >>> > > For more options, visit this group at
>>>> >>> > >http://groups.google.com/group/alaska-citizens-militia?hl=en
>>>> >>> > > Web Site:www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>>> free
>>>> >>> State,
>>>> >>> > > the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>>> >>> infringed."
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > > --
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>>>> >>> > > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>>> free
>>>> >>> State,
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>>>> >>> > > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>>> free
>>>> >>> State,
>>>> >>> > > the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
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>>>> >>> > > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>>> free
>>>> >>> State,
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>>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>>> infringed."
>>>>
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>>> the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
>>>
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>>right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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>right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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>right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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-----Original message-----
From: "david...@hotmail.com" <david...@hotmail.com>
To: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 20:00:54 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron Paul Campaign
I would say that another country's resources are not our infrastructure. We have reserves and untapped oil but we choose to use up others instead of our own saving it for ???.
What I'm talking about is pre-emptive strikes on "known" plans to hit our infrastructure; I.e. banking, internet, communications, ports, military installations, schools or hospitals etc... that are located within our continental borders. not our "needs" or interests, located in some run down piece crap country.
One of the problems with our country is its unsatisfiable capitalist mindset. Because of this, our corporations continue to grow and grow and make more proffit by outsourcing, now we have no production base left and rely on these countries to provide that and if they don't cooperate their leadership is replaced. I do not support that. Our capitalistic greed will ultimately end our country. We can't even sustain the ideology as witnessed by the massive corporate welfare going on I.e. stimulous programs etc. We also have too much welfare of our own people going on. All this welfare is killing us, we are dying a slow death. We claim to be capitalists but really are practicing a socialist/capitalist mix.
As far as another country being right in using pre-emptive against us. If we were offensively conducting operations to further our (corporate??) interests. Yes they would, but I'm sure our leaders would turn it around and sell our public the idea that it was not warrented and an attack on us requiring repricussions - hence the whole false flag idea.
Dave
ray southwell wrote:
>David,
>With your line of thinking, (right or wrong, I am not sure) would it be
>appropriate for other Sovereign Nations to do the same? Preemptive strikes to
>protect their infrastructure and people.
>
>Oil is our primary infrastructure need. When I was a child the USA was
>independent. I remember a teacher telling me all we needed was produced here,
>with the exception of coffee. Today little is produced here.
>
>So, if a Sovereign Nation, who produces oil, is going to increase the price of
>their natural resource or restrict production to raise prices, because of free
>market supply and demand, would it be an assault on our infrastructure?
>
>Would it be appropriate for our "intelligence services" to employ a "preemptive
>strike" to change the political leadership of this Sovereign Nation?
>
>I agree with the government politicians in the USA. (imperfection) Our founders
>understood it too. That was why the Constitution had checks and balances. What
>ever happened to the checks and balances in going to war?
>
>Ray
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: David Luntz
>To: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 6:58:57 PM
>Subject: Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron Paul
>Campaign
>
>If our country conducts operations of this nature against it's own people that
>would be a crime by both moral and ethical standards.
>It would be both treasonous and criminal no mater what the endstate or greater
>good was considered. Operations conducted against foreign states would be most
>likely viewed in a negative nature and could even be considered retalitory in
>nature, but I would be disapointed in our intelligence services if they did not
>employ every tool against threats to our infrastructure, or people. Well I take
>that back they could do what they want to the federal reserve and i would not
>care.
>
>
>jeremy hawk wrote:
>
>>I would think so Ray.I mean.Terror is terror and is illegal regardless of
>>who is doing it.Including the good ol' U.S. Of A.
>>
>>On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:47 AM, ray southwell wrote:
>>
>>> Jeremy,
>>> Conspiracy defined by Wikipedia
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)
>>>
>>> Does the government break any laws with these false Flags?
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* jeremy hawk
>>>
>>>> >>> > > *Sender: *alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>> > > *Date: *Tue, 17 May 2011 14:43:36 -0700
>>>> >>> > > *To: *
>>>> >>> > > gain.All under the false fake fearmongering of
>>>> >>> > > terror.Terror that our own CIA funds and created.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > > And here is a little advice for you.Lay off the
>>>> >>> > > kool-aid.That stuff is bad for ya.It<
>>>> >>> http://ya.it/>inhibits critical thinking.
>>>> >>> > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Ironartist <
>>>> visionsst...@gmail.com
>>>> >>> >wrote:
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > >> Hey jeremy I blocked you from posting on my facebook accout cuz
>>>> you
>>>> >>> > >> need to learn respect on other peoples page. F*** this and F***
>>>> that
>>>> >>> > >> come on man you need to grow up a bit more before you are allowed
>>>> >>> back
>>>> >>> > >> on, you cut your own throat not giving me the respect you need to
>>>> >>> > >> apperently learn to give to others
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > >> On May 17, 7:11 am, ray southwell wrote:
>>>> >>> > >> > Kath,
>>>> >>> > >> > My wife Faith and I have several grinders. We have never made
>>>> bread
>>>> >>> from
>>>> >>> > >> > anything we have ground. We have always purchased flour. We are
>>>> >>> > >> interested in
>>>> >>> > >> > making some bread. Let me know if you are available before you
>>>> >>> leave.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > >> > Ray and Faith Southwell
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > >> >________________________________
>>>> >>> > >> > From: Kath McCubbins-Carlson
wildbill
put food on the table nor protect you when the shit hits the
fan.I,personally feel that this forum is turning into just another
opinion blog site.1st Sgt Reed has it right,lets concentrate on
essentials,not on the vagaries of denial of sovereign rights,but on
survival in spite of same.The following is a link to a short video
that might come in handy if you are currently financially poor but
rich in creativity.
God Bless
Bill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXSfDjJY-o8&feature=feedlik
On May 25, 10:56 am, "linton...@yahoo.com" <linton...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> Sent from my ACS Android
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: "david.lu...@hotmail.com" <david.lu...@hotmail.com>
> To: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 20:00:54 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron Paul Campaign
>
> I would say that another country's resources are not our infrastructure. We have reserves and untapped oil but we choose to use up others instead of our own saving it for ???.
> What I'm talking about is pre-emptive strikes on "known" plans to hit our infrastructure; I.e. banking, internet, communications, ports, military installations, schools or hospitals etc... that are located within our continental borders. not our "needs" or interests, located in some run down piece crap country.
> One of the problems with our country is its unsatisfiable capitalist mindset. Because of this, our corporations continue to grow and grow and make more proffit by outsourcing, now we have no production base left and rely on these countries to provide that and if they don't cooperate their leadership is replaced. I do not support that. Our capitalistic greed will ultimately end our country. We can't even sustain the ideology as witnessed by the massive corporate welfare going on I.e. stimulous programs etc. We also have too much welfare of our own people going on. All this welfare is killing us, we are dying a slow death. We claim to be capitalists but really are practicing a socialist/capitalist mix.
> As far as another country being right in using pre-emptive against us. If we were offensively conducting operations to further our (corporate??) interests. Yes they would, but I'm sure our leaders would turn it around and sell our public the idea that it was not warrented and an attack on us requiring repricussions - hence the whole false flag idea.
> Dave
>
>
> >David,
> >With your line of thinking, (right or wrong, I am not sure) would it be
> >appropriate for other Sovereign Nations to do the same? Preemptive strikes to
> >protect their infrastructure and people.
>
> >Oil is our primary infrastructure need. When I was a child the USA was
> >independent. I remember a teacher telling me all we needed was produced here,
> >with the exception of coffee. Today little is produced here.
>
> >So, if a Sovereign Nation, who produces oil, is going to increase the price of
> >their natural resource or restrict production to raise prices, because of free
> >market supply and demand, would it be an assault on our infrastructure?
>
> >Would it be appropriate for our "intelligence services" to employ a "preemptive
> >strike" to change the political leadership of this Sovereign Nation?
>
> >I agree with the government politicians in the USA. (imperfection) Our founders
> >understood it too. That was why the Constitution had checks and balances. What
> >ever happened to the checks and balances in going to war?
>
> >Ray
>
> >________________________________
> >Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 10:42:52 PM
> >Subject: RE: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron Paul
> >Campaign
>
> >Ray,
> >
> >I guess it depends on how you judge the actions. In a utilitarianistic view -
> >yes it probably would be a moral crime. In the cruel cold world we live in today
> >-no.
> >
> >What I said was I would be disapointed in our intelligence services if they did
> >not employ every tool against threats to our infrastructure, or people (I would
> >stress - verifiable / documented threats not ones dreamed up). In this case, I
> >believe we retain right to preemptive strikes in defense of our people and our
> >infrastructure and that response should be of course applied with the greatest
> >concern and caution.
> >
> >Unfortunetly, there is the possibility that with that type of thinking our
> >Government leaders may not always make the wisest or most morale / ethical
> >decisions, after all they are human and subject to imperfection from birth.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 09:35:29 -0700
> >Campaign
> >To: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
>
> >David,
> >Would it "be a crime by both moral and ethical standards" if the behavior of our
> >intelligence agencies was against other people outside the USA?
>
> >Ray
>
> >________________________________
> >Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 6:58:57 PM
> >Subject: Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron Paul
> >Campaign
>
> >If our country conducts operations of this nature against it's own people that
> >would be a crime by both moral and ethical standards.
> >It would be both treasonous and criminal no mater what the endstate or greater
> >good was considered. Operations conducted against foreign states would be most
> >likely viewed in a negative nature and could even be considered retalitory in
> >nature, but I would be disapointed in our intelligence services if they did not
> >employ every tool against threats to our infrastructure, or people. Well I take
> >that back they could do what they want to the federal reserve and i would not
> >care.
>
>
> >>I would think so Ray.I mean.Terror is terror and is illegal regardless of
> >>who is doing it.Including the good ol' U.S. Of A.
>
>
> >>> Jeremy,
> >>> Conspiracy defined by Wikipedia
> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)
>
> >>> Does the government break any laws with these false Flags?
> >>> Ray
>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> *To:* alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
> >>> *Sent:* Thu, May 19, 2011 10:34:48 AM
>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron
> >>> Paul Campaign
>
> >>> Lets be clear.Government admitted False Flag Terror are not
> >>> conspiracies.Neither is the Drug Cartel violenceon our border being more
> >>> deadly than the Middle East.
>
>
> >>>> David,
>
> >>>> You are right on target here.
>
> >>>> Within this group we have decided not to discuss our faith systems,
> >>>> because it is based on how we feel towards God. No facts just based on
> >>>> feelings.
>
> >>>> I have a strong faith system based on how I feel. I have shared, how my
> >>>> faith gives me strength but it is still based on my feelings.
>
> >>>> Much of the discussion you are referring to is based on feelings towards
> >>>> other faith systems. We do not want to discuss Christianity but will discuss
> >>>> Islam.
>
> >>>> I would encourage all to discuss issues we can document and understand
> >>>> from information presented.
>
> >>>> Another issue is how much time we should spend on issues that will not
> >>>> change things.
>
> >>>> The US government has had many conspiracies. The books have all been
> >>>> written. Does studying the conspiracies change anything? If the majority of
> >>>> US people believed in any one conspiracy, would anything change?
>
> >>>> Ray
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>>> *To:* alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
> >>>> *Sent:* Tue, May 17, 2011 8:20:55 PM
>
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron
> >>>> Paul Campaign
>
> >>>> It would be nice to say we could trust our govt. But we are not trusting a
> >>>> govt. We are trusting men and woman, who by influence are or at some time in
> >>>> the future are corrupted by the bankers, corporations, elitists or the
> >>>> lobyists working for them.
>
> >>>> That is why we should have term limits, no lobbyists, and campaign finance
> >>>> reform.
>
> >>>> I enjoy reading and participating in the conversations on the forum. What
> >>>> I don't like is how emotional some folks get. We are all on the same side
> >>>> here; maybe some differences why we are here, but all on the same side.
>
> >>>> Let's keep our differences in check and remember that we are all brothers
> >>>> and sisters in arms and treat each other with alittle more respect. Express
> >>>> your opinions with respect understanding that there are two sides, maybe
> >>>> more to every issue we discuss.
>
> >>>> Luntz out.
>
>
> >>>> >Soak this in-
>
> >>>> > Governments ADMIT That They Carry Out False Flag
> >>>> >Terror<
>
> >>>> >Forget the claims and allegations that false flag
> >>>> >terror<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag>- governments attacking
> >>>> >people and then blaming others in order to create
> >>>> >animosity towards those blamed - has been used throughout history.
>
> >>>> >This essay will solely discuss government admissions to the use of false
> >>>> >flag terror.
>
> >>>> >For example:
>
> >>>> > - A major with the Nazi SS
> >>>> >admitted<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident>at the
> >>>> >Nuremberg trials that - under orders from the chief of the Gestapo -
> >>>> > he and some other Nazi operatives faked attacks on their own people and
> >>>> > resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of
> >>>> Poland.
> >>>> > Nazi general Franz Halder also testified at the Nuremberg trials that
> >>>> > Nazi leader Hermann Goering
> >>>> >admitted<
> >>>> >to
> >>>> >setting fire to
>
>
> read more »
jeremy hawk
Guantamamo Bay files reveal bizarre, surreal world of security forces
Secret files obtained by The New York Times and The Guardian have shown the extent of the institutional madness that seems to be governing the system at Guantanamo Bay. From elderly men with dementia to teenagers with no obvious connection to terrorism, the base seems to be being used to contain a hodge podge of individuals who in some cases are clearly innocent. The release of the files adds fuel to the fire of those who claim that Guantanamo Bay is at best ineffective and at worst adding to the problem of extremism.
For anyone who is placed into the Guantanamo system, it seems as if all hope is almost immediately lost. People can be held for years – in many cases indefinitely – without any real investigation of their circumstances. The case of one old man, Mohammed Sadiq (89 at the time) illustrates the cruelty and pointlessness of the system: Sadiq was suffering from dementia, depression and other conditions, yet was held for many months before it was determined that he knew nothing about anything. He is clearly not the only one. And yet this treatment, which could not apply to people in the US or Britain, is clearly allowed at Guantanamo Bay. Why?
The overriding message from the files is that people at Guantanamo Bay are subject to the whims of a slow, bureaucratic system that has no thought of human rights or even basic human dignity. Guantanamo is a machine that chews up people and is operated by soldiers who do not really seem to know why the place is there, only that these people are ‘dangerous’ – even when there is no evidence that they pose a threat in any way. For those who are scared of terrorism, the presence of Guantanamo Bay may be comforting. But Guantanamo Bay will not stop terrorism, it will just encourage the kind of extremism that allows Al-Qaida and the Taliban to keep recruiting. So really, whatever your political point of view, Guantanamo Bay is a cruel, heartless and pointless failure.
http://100gf.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/guantamamo-bay-files-reveal-bizarre-surreal-world-of-security-forces/
--
jeremy hawk
Eyes Wide Open, Part Six: The Third Reich Must Not Re-Emerge
Tuesday, May 24th, 2011
By Lou Blanchard
GCN Live.com
The last several years have brought about a gradual increase in the power of government, especially at the federal level. This has led to a corresponding erosion in our rights as Americans. It is vital that we not ignore the lessons of history. Here are some quotations from William L. Shirer’s Berlin Diary that should be a sober reminder of what can happen when we become complacent.
“Berlin, April 11 [1935]
Dr. S., a successful Jewish lawyer, who served his country at the front in the war [World War I], suddenly appeared at our apartment today after having spent some months in the Gestapo jail…. He was in a bad state, a little out of his head, but apparently aware of his condition, because he was afraid to go home and face his family…. He said no charges had been preferred against him other than that he was a Jew or a half-Jew….” [Does this parallel the men being held without being charged year after year at Guantanamo Bay – even including one young teenage boy?]
“Bad Saarow, April 21 [1935] Easter
Taking the Easter weekend off. The hotel mainly filled with Jews and we are a little surprised to see so many of them still prospering and apparently unafraid. I think they are unduly optimistic.” [Like the complacency of so many Americans today concerning draconian statutes like the Patriot Acts?]
“Berlin, January 23 [1936]
At noon Tess turned on the radio for the news just in time for us to hear a ringing personal attack on me…. I had written in a mail series, some time ago, that the Nazis at Garmisch [site of the winter Olympic games] had pulled down all the signs saying that Jews were unwanted (they’re all over Germany) and that the Olympic visitors would thus be spared any signs of the kind of treatment meted out to Jews in this country.” [Contrast Shirer’s journalism with that of the subservient, controlled media of today!]
“Berlin, Feb. 27 [1940]
Though the quota of Germans allowed entrance into America annually is 27,000, Marvin [Breckinridge] found a waiting list of 248,000 names at the American consulate. Ninety-eight percent were Jews – or about half the Jewish population left in Germany.” [Yet at present we are allowing millions of illegal aliens into this country.]
“Berlin, December 1 [1940]
[The German] can be a kind and considerate person. But as a unit in the Germanic mass he can persecute Jews, torture and murder his fellow men in a concentration camp, massacre women and children by bombing and bombardment, overrun without the slightest justification the lands of other peoples, cut them down if they protest, and enslave them.” [Sounds all too much like the present war in Iraq in many respects.]
And from the same author’s The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich:
“Of all the war crimes which he claimed he had to commit on the orders of Hitler ‘the worst of all,’ General Keitel said on the stand at Nuremberg, stemmed from the Nacht und Nebel Erlass – ‘Night and Fog Decree.’ This grotesque order… was issued by Hitler on December 7, 1941. Its purpose… was to seize persons ‘endangering German security’ who were not to be immediately executed and make them vanish into the night and fog of the unknown…. No information was to be given their families as to their fate even when, as invariably occurred, it was merely a question of the place of burial in the Reich.” [Compare this with recent reports of CIA renditions and secret prisons.]
“In the background, to be sure, there lurked the terror of the Gestapo and the fear of the concentration camp for those who got out of line or who had been Communists or Socialists or too liberal or too pacifist, or who had been Jews…. Yet the Nazi terror in the early years affected the lives of relatively few Germans and a newly arrived observer was somewhat surprised to see the people of this country did not seem to feel that they were being cowed and held down by an unscrupulous and brutal dictatorship.”
[Need we say more?]
Mrs. Kitty Werthmann, in a recent video from the Prophecy Club (Freedom to Dictatorship in 5 Years) describes how in this very short period of time Germany descended into tyranny. We must all be alert, as Kitty says, that we do not repeat this tragic mistake. Otherwise, we will have learned nothing from the past. The story of Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia may become our own fate.
Lou Blanchard is the talk radio co-host, along with his wife Elizabeth Border, of The Divided Kingdom. The program airs live on GCN Monday – Friday 7:00 – 8:00 p.m. CST. Or listen On Demand anytime.
ray southwell
From: wildbill <wildb...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 6:49:29 PM
Subject: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] Re: Get involved in the 2012 Ron Paul Campaign
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