T he sissy Federales

[jeremy hawk]

I want to call out any POS fed here.Me and some A.R.M. crew might see
exactlty who these stupid feds are attacking.

We need to get A.R.M. involved at this point.

No question.

Think Commander Olson?

Should we kick ass yet?

[Norm Olson]

Jeremy,

Haven't we learned anything from the Hutaree or the Schaeffer Cox incident?
In both cases boasts, veiled threats, and questions like yours brought
unwanted focused attention.

It is imperative that we remember that we are resisting reactive responders
only. This is not our time.

I want you to do NOTHING if the feds visit except that you say nothing
to them and then contact me with all the particulars. Get names, pictures,
video, and voice recording if possible of the fedgoons who knock on your door.

You should know that they are not affected by threats of any kind other than
the threats being a good reason to throw a net over you.

What you will do if they come knocking is your own business, but if
you go on the offensive unilaterally you'll be on your own.

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[Justin Nusunginya]

The American Armed Resistance states on their websites that they aren't in favor of illegal activity against the government. I think it is their belief that they stand as a deterrence and that if the SHTF then they might act, but they would prefer not to be seen as a splinter cell that would randomly slaughter people in government. They say that to speak of random acts of violence is to disassociate yourself from ARM. I consider myself a member of ARM.
 
> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 13:44:31 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] T he sissy Federales
> From: norm.ma...@gmail.com
> To: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com

[Justin Nusunginya]

*American Resistance Movement, apologies for the brain lapse and spam.
 

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From: hal...@live.com
To: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] T he sissy Federales
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:37:27 -0800

[George Thompson]

Once upon a time there were a bunch of grapes. These grapes hung together all the time in their little bunch, enjoying the sunshine and fresh air. One day a grape asked when they would be ready and the other grapes said not yet. After a while another grape asked when will we be ready and again the others said not yet. Then one day the grape who had asked the question first disappeared, when the second grape asked what happened, the others said were not ready yet. As time went by more grapes asked when will we be ready and each time another grape disappeared, then one day the biggest grape looked around and said its time, but alas there was no other grapes left to listen and he was alone.   America First  Freedom is not Free --- On Sat, 4/23/11, Justin Nusunginya <hal...@live.com> wrote:

[Norm Olson]

One of the most frequently asked questions and the subject of endless debate is that

of "When will we do something?"

 

The question is simple, the answer is not.

 

The question presupposes that we WILL do something.  The question then ought to be

"Will we do something?"    Of course, this presupposes that there is a "WE" who

collectively will do something.

 

Then the question becomes, "What shall be done?" and herein lies the nugget

of logic and wisdom, and the deeper question of WHO, WHAT, WHERE, HOW, AND WHEN.

 

Would anyone here on the forum wish to talk logistics? 

 

It's easy to say that "we ought to do something" while looking around for answers.

It's easy to walk away from an emotional outburst, justifying oneself by saying,

"Well, no wonder we are in the jam that we are...no one wants to do anything."

 

Does anyone want to take a walk back to March 23, 1775.  Patrick Henry gave

his great "War Inevitable" speech.   The hearers had hemmed and hawed for

months about the growing threat.   No one outside the room that day REACTED

directly to or becauser of his speech.   They were just words.     It was the very next month, on the

19th that the British marched their forces into Lexington.   There A SPONTANEOUS

event took place.   Within hours the showdown at Concord Bridge took place and hundreds

of patriots emerged WHO NEVER HEARD PATRICK HENRY'S SPEECH.

 

Do you see where I'm going with this?    I'm saying that THE TIME WILL COME.

But history is very unforgiving as it was of John Brown's attempt in 1859 to start a

liberation movement among enslaved African Americans in Harpers Ferry, Virginia.

He was tried and executed for treason against the state of Virginia, murder, and

conspiracy later that year. He went on the offensive too early and without support and

ended up getting hanged.  Frederick Douglass said later that John Brown was a bright

light compared to his little candle glow.   But I'd ask Mr. Douglass where John Brown's

reinforcements were!

The reality of where we are is this:   We cannot foment or trigger any kind of

armed rebellion until all other methods of changing government are exhausted

AND the "long train of abuses" grows unbearable any longer.

 

Frankly, I don't see the people of America able to rally to change government at all.

The government will soon collapse due to the rot and decay of corruption,

evil, injustice, and the stink of condensed power.   When that happens, our

beloved America will turn into a blend of the French, Russian, and Mao

revolution.   There will be disintegration into "tribalism" and chaos.

I see no power strong enough to unite America under a single just cause.

I do see the rise of a dictator who may bring a horrible end to the chaos

and anarchy.

 

I urge everyone to prepare for what is coming.   The threat will not be

from the current government and its agencies.   The real threat will come

when shortages and inflation and hunger and sorrow, and intense anger

turn the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave into a massive

concentration camp with the only law being the survival of the fitist.

 

When that time comes the enemy will not be "THEY"    It will be "US"

[jeremy hawk]

I'm sick of the stupid FEDS thinking they can

pu.sh Patriots around

And.I think they need their asses kicked

  

 I!!!,for one am not taking their lip avymore.

 

If the stupid fed freaks approach me they bestr have a damn good reason.

\\

cause knock-em-on their ass.
I'm not taking their shit anymore.

 

I almost" BEG" them to jack with this cracker. 

 

 Because if the FEDS want to get 

hurt....,..I will volunteer to hurt them. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

da.m

[jeremy hawk]

What I mean is .....I would love to beat one of the of these nerds down in the streets.I'll even do the time for it.AND tell the court why I did it.

[jeremy hawk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulcMDwRMIb4&feature=player_embedded

[ray southwell]

Norm,

I agree and would like to add,

Evil prevails when good men/women do nothing.

There are five ways to take back unchecked government. I call it the five boxes.

First-soap box. Free speech. It is alive and well in the USA. The alternative media and the books written, document all the evil. Nothing changes. Good men/women do nothing with the information. Do we write letters to the paper expressing the evil in government? No.  Fear overwhelms us, we are not smart enough. They might call me names.

Second-election box. We believe, if we could just elect someone else, we can change things. Do we run for political office?  No, fear overwhelms us, we are not good enough.

Third-jury box. Do we understand the current corrupt judicial system? No, it is too complicated to understand. Fear overwhelms us; we are not smart enough to understand.

Fourth-money box. Do we object to the financing of government?  No, fear overwhelms us; we are not in a financial position to fight the government.

Fifth-Cartrige box. No explanation needed.

Schaeffer Cox finds himself in jail because he took on the judicial system. When that happened, 100’s should take his place. Talk to the press, study the judicial system. Stand. Make them come for you. Let the public see their terrorist’s activities.

His wife Marti sent out an e-mail wondering if anyone has received her communications.  Do we respond to her, economically? No, we distance ourselves from her and Schaeffer.  We look at our own self interest and blame Schaeffer Cox for his current situation. We buy extra bullets and beans to prepare as we watch Schaeffer’s family economically destroyed.

What WE THE PEOPLE are facing is exactly what you have explained. You stated-

Quote-When that time comes the enemy will not be "THEY"    It will be "US"-end quote.

It is our own self interest that destroyed the nation. We all fear economic loss. WE THE PEOPLE allow corporate corruption to run the nation. It is all about our own financial self interest. We do not care what the corporations do, as long as their stocks climb. We are more concerned about our own self interest, in our “retirement accounts” and government sponsored financial programs then the nation we leave for the future. We are in the last economic bubble, when it bursts, as have others in the past, we will fall.

There is no other economic bubble that can be created for the future. The current currency bubble is the last.

Ray

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From: Norm Olson <norma...@alaska.net>
To: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 6:28:48 PM

[david...@hotmail.com]

I admire the gumption of those like Jeremy, although i fear fool hardy. I will choose to hold fast. Prepare for the unknown. I will continue to prepare my homestead and ready my family for the time when anarchy runs in the streets. We must remain hopeful that it won't come to this. I can tell you and advise those like jeremy to remember OPSEC. Do not speak of what you will do, just do. That is our recent lesson learned.
I ask a question of Norm and Ray, both who are much more knowledgable in these matters.. when it is time I am sure we will all see.. but how being so spread apart, will we be able to assist each other?
I recently finished the book patriots and they all went in on a retreat.. I was wondering if anyone else ha read this book and thought the same? There are groups of people who have bannwd togeather already such as the whitestones an others, I fear they will fair much better than a few of us.. ideas? thoughts?

[Justin Nusunginya]

Couldn't agree more with Ray. As long as the American people have the ability to become obese on extravagant diets, download music onto their ipods, watch their chosen programs on television, and indulge in any lifestyle they wish, they will continue to leave government corruption unchallenged.
 
Essentially these people have no principles and no morals to stand on, all they care about is that they're fat and taken care of and could care less about the rest. They choose to live drull, meaningless existences and someday, die for nothing. I believe it will take a shattering of our economic prosperity to bring the American masses to their senses, then and only then will true change be possible. What kind of change? I dare not even try to guess.
 
As we have seen recently in the Middle East, the Egyptians, Tunisians, Algerians, Libyans and others have revolted and called for immediate change to their government system, if you look at the trend for these nations, they are incredibly poor. In fact this whole thing started over a man lighting himself on fire in protest in Tunisia because the government would not allow him to open a fruit stand and sell fruit.
 
It took a bad economy to ignite the flame of liberty for the Muslim nations. Consider yourselves lucky, that whatever god you believe in gifted you with the intelligence and wit to care about these things before the inevitable happens. As of now they label us crazy, when the inevitable happens, they will call us right.
 
I am encouraged to see the wisdom and intellect from Commander Olson and Southwell.
 
> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:46:38 -0800

> Subject: Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] T he sissy Federales

> From: david...@hotmail.com
> To: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com

[Norm Olson]

David asked:

"when it is time I am sure we will all see.. but how being so spread apart,

will we be able to assist each other?'

This is an excellent question and one that must be addressed honestly. The
reality of Alaska provides
a partial answer. We are too far from each other to be of any real
assistance.
There are very few options. We will either remain and defend in place or
move to a place where others have gathered. Each choice has it's own
risks
and benefits. There is no one plan that works for everyone. The
variables will
be physical fortification, amount of supplies, number of people, etc.

What we are facing here in Alaska will probably be more like the villages
spread out
around a fort back in the early 1700s throughout New England and along the
Allegheny Mountains. Settlers faced danger and if they had enough
forewarning,
they would rush to the fort. If not, they had to defend where they were.
Often
they would rush to their neighbor and hope to collectively defend their
position.

Our biggest problem is the vast space between us. In reality, that means
that
joining forces may be difficult to impossible.

One of the reasons we downplay our tactical planning to face opposition in
favor of encouraging each other to prepare for a long and difficult time of
being
at home and unable to travel far is that we will want to stay in place as
long as
possible, believing we can survive with what we have. By the time we
SHOULD
move to a stronger position, we probably won't be able to.

There are challenges ahead, of that there can be no doubt. What will
people
do when yours is the only house with lights?

We are in a very unique environment here. There are choices, but not too
many.
If you're planning on staying, prepare wisely. If you're planning on
moving, don't
wait till it's impossible.

For all: Read the book: Patriots by James Rawles. It's a must read
for
those planning on either staying or moving.

Cmdr

As the conditions become
more and more severe there MAY be a time

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Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 1:46 PM
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I admire the gumption of those like Jeremy, although i fear fool hardy. I
will choose to hold fast. Prepare for the unknown. I will continue to
prepare my homestead and ready my family for the time when anarchy runs in
the streets. We must remain hopeful that it won't come to this. I can tell
you and advise those like jeremy to remember OPSEC. Do not speak of what you
will do, just do. That is our recent lesson learned.
I ask a question of Norm and Ray, both who are much more knowledgable in

these matters.. I recently finished the book patriots and they all went in

ray southwell <rai...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>that happened, 100�s should take his place. Talk to the press, study the

>judicial system. Stand. Make them come for you. Let the public see their

>terrorist�s activities.

>His wife Marti sent out an e-mail wondering if anyone has received her
>communications. Do we respond to her, economically? No, we distance
>ourselves
>from her and Schaeffer. We look at our own self interest and blame
>Schaeffer
>Cox for his current situation. We buy extra bullets and beans to prepare as
>we

>watch Schaeffer�s family economically destroyed.

>
>What WE THE PEOPLE are facing is exactly what you have explained. You
>stated-
>Quote-When that time comes the enemy will not be "THEY" It will be "US"-end
>quote.
>It is our own self interest that destroyed the nation. We all fear economic
>loss. WE THE PEOPLE allow corporate corruption to run the nation. It is all
>about our own financial self interest. We do not care what the corporations
>do,
>as long as their stocks climb. We are more concerned about our own self

>interest, in our �retirement accounts� and government sponsored financial

[ray southwell]

David,

I believe there are two issues raised.

First, anger makes some individuals react in dangerous ways.  We read and hear of others mistreatment by the “police state”, we live in today. Some become so frustrated they act out in ways detrimental to the cause of Liberty.

That was the reason for my last post on the five ways to change government. I would encourage Jeremy to pick one of the four peaceful ways to stand against evil in government. The idea is to cause the “police state” troops to come for you because of your peaceful actions. In this way you can best demonstrate to the masses the real terrorist threat of the Fascist government we have today.

The second issue is how we defend our home. It was my hope we could bring people of like mind together. I did not completely understand the level of fear in the people. Many are private supporters of the militia. They have their secret militia of less than 10. Friends and family. Small groups of resistance. Will we all come together? Time will tell.

In my 40’s I was able to live in the woods for days, even weeks. I was more individually self sufficient and tougher. At 60 I realize I cannot run to the woods. My wife and I are not able to go.

I will stay in my community. We have knowledge and abilities to help support the community. I would suggest everyone to answer this question-what can any you do, that would make a community support and defend you and your family, when your stored food runs out?

Can you bake bread from scratch? Can you trap? Can you hunt, fish, grow food, raise animals,make things or repair things. No individual family or group of ten is tough enough to be an island.

We need to be a community.

Ray

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[ray southwell]

Justin,

I am not sure about my wisdom and intellect.  Thank you for your comments.

I am an observer of people’s behavior.

In Wisconsin, the governor was going to bring in the police to stop the protest in their capital, the police joined the protest. (see- http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-02-26-wisconsin-officers_N.htm

In Iceland, the parliament agreed to bail out the banks. The prime minister called for a vote of the people. The people voted down the bail-out, twice. (see- http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2011/04/why-iceland-voted-no.html

I have great hope the people will come together in the near future. Fear is the driving force keeping us divided. I pray desperation and hunger will bring most, people of fear, together for the common good of the community. 

Ray

 

 

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From: Justin Nusunginya <hal...@live.com>
To: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 1:42:37 PM

[jeremy hawk]

What I meant in my last post is that I would defend myself from anyone,including the Federales,if attacked for know reason.I am in know way going out of my way looking for a fight with anyone.If there comes a time and place for that then that is a different story.

Just wanted to clear that up.

 

Thank you.

 

-Jeremy

[jeremy hawk]

What I meant in my last post is that I would defend myself from anyone,including the Federales,if attacked for no reason.I am in know way going out of my way looking for a fight with anyone.If there comes a time and place for that then that is a different story.

Just wanted to clear that up.
 
Thank you.

 

-Jeremy

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:34 AM, ray southwell <rai...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Norm Olson]

I would expect this response at the very least.    Do not fire until fired upon.

You alone can determine with what measure you will react, but we cannot

discuss a mutual or concerted action at this time.

 

Cmdr

[ray southwell]

Thanks Jeremy

Ray

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From: jeremy hawk <littleh...@gmail.com>
To: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 1:57:24 PM

[jeremy hawk]

I kept spelling no as know.Dont ask me why.LOL!One of those

days I guess.

[jeremy hawk]

I guess sometimes I use this forum to vent a little.Because I  know the squirrmy  Feddies watch "on the edge" of their smelly little seats what we are going to post next.

 

But in all honesty.I dont own or carry any firearms.For reasons that some members know about.Dont need em' right now really.And if the SHTF then I am also sure one will be readily available for a Patriot like me.

 

Until then.I will continue to go about my daily livelihood with my awesome dog and my K-Bar.(leatherman on days I dont feel threatened)(somedays I wake up feeling threatened) So I pack the K-Bar.

 

But what I said still stands.If one of these Feddie panty waste quack Feds jack with me and I aint doing nothing wrong,they are going for one cold swim.Thats all I got to say....For now.

God Bless.

-Jeremy.

[Mary Morgan]

say guys,
 
I have a few questions.
 
Schaeffer Cox finds himself in jail because he took on the judicial system.........

> >His wife Marti sent out an e-mail wondering if anyone has received her
> >communications.  Do we respond to her, economically? No, we distance ourselves
> >from her and Schaeffer.  We look at our own self interest and blame Schaeffer
> >Cox for his current situation. We buy extra bullets and beans to prepare as we
> >watch Schaeffer’s family economically destroyed. 

 
Is that the example we are to follow? 
is that the way you would want your family treated if you were the one in jail?

 
Evil prevails when good men/women do nothing.
 

When you do nothing evil prevails.  When you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil.
When then, do you stand for truth?
Or is it the very thought of standing for the truth and against the evil is too much of a bother?
Schaeffer stands against the evil.  His trial under the defacto govt has not yet started.  he hasn't yet had a chance to prove his innonece to all those who are watching,
and I would strongly urge you to remember that.
 
Mary
 

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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:43:39 -0800

Subject: Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] T he sissy Federales

From: littleh...@gmail.com
To: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com

[ray southwell]

Thanks Mary.

 

The question is whether we are any different then the rest of the people. We talk differently but is our behavior different?

Ray

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From: Mary Morgan <purpl...@hotmail.com>
To: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 9:57:43 PM

[david...@hotmail.com]

Mary,
I will not argue why SC is in jail. Being retired military I was taught that you do not go on the offense unless you can logistically support that effort. Anotherwords, it does no good to leave your loved ones behind if you have not properly prepared for their well being. SC did not properly prepare for his battle, he made some decisions that cost his family big time. A lot of folks are not in a position to help his family financially. I wrote Marti and told her that I am not in that position, however if she needed a place to stay if she was ever in my neck of the woods that her and her child are welcome. I have also seen traffic that Marti declined help from certain folks based off their association with the militia because she doesn't want to be connected.. I also saw traffic that she was to busy to assist in fund raising? The lord helps those who help themselves. My step dad was a criminal, did time in many jails. I remember visiting him when I was little, talking on a phone through a window and him telling me its up to you now son. That's bullshit when a man places his responsibilities on a child or leaves his loved ones in a position that they must steal food or depend on hand outs to eat. He also taught me a very important lesson. Don't do the crime unless you can do the time. We are all adults. I would not expext any of you out there to come to my or my familys aid if i went off half cocked and ill prepared. By building my mini farm, preparing my food stores, gathering essentials, buying silver I am prepping my family for that day when my wife and child can survive without me worrying if they will have a roof over their head, food to eat, warmth from the cold, etc. To do different is irresponsible.
V/r
In service of the Republic
Dave

P.s. Cdr Olsen when you get time can you please give me a call. 5909140.

[Norm Olson]

Dave,
Your words speak truth.

The hard lessons of survival and preparedness will be learned
in the fires that await us all. The lesson to be learned from
the SC affair is that ANY plan must be examined in the light
of strategy, tactics, and logistics.

It may be heroic to charge the machine gunner's bunker,
but afterwards few will critic the effort simply because it
might bring discredit to the soldier who was willing to do so.
Too often we focus on the valiancy of one man's deeds without
critically examining the need or wisdom of the action.

Dave's perceptive and objective point of view should be
read as a lesson to all of us.

Ask the questions:
-- Is it time to act?
-- What shall be done?
-- Is the plan practical?
-- Is the plan do-able?
-- Is there sufficient support for the plan (manpower, money, material,
time)?
-- What happens if any part of the plan fails?
-- What happens if the plan succeeds?
-- What are the acceptable losses?
-- What is the motivation to keep going forward with the plan?

keyboard commandoes and armchair generals can conjure great scenarios
that always begin with "What we need to do is _________" But that's
where they stop. They have no inkling of what it takes to support their
pipe dream. The safe and cozy existence of these "rear echelon" planners
is never threatened. The guys who have to carry out the plan have
everything
to lose.

Bottom line: We have a long way to go. Don't do anything that
will take you out of the fight even before it's begun.

Norm

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Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] T he sissy Federales

ray southwell <rai...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> >watch Schaeffer�s family economically destroyed.

>>>>I am an observer of people�s behavior.

>>>>> >that happened, 100�s should take his place. Talk to the press, study

>>>>> >the
>>>>> >judicial system. Stand. Make them come for you. Let the public see
>>>>> >their

>>>>> >terrorist�s activities.

>>>>> >His wife Marti sent out an e-mail wondering if anyone has received
>>>>> >her
>>>>> >communications. Do we respond to her, economically? No, we distance
>>>>> >ourselves
>>>>>
>>>>> >from her and Schaeffer. We look at our own self interest and blame
>>>>> >Schaeffer
>>>>
>>>>> >Cox for his current situation. We buy extra bullets and beans to
>>>>> >prepare as we
>>>>>

>>>>> >watch Schaeffer�s family economically destroyed.

>>>>> >
>>>>> >What WE THE PEOPLE are facing is exactly what you have explained. You
>>>stated-
>>>>> >Quote-When that time comes the enemy will not be "THEY" It will be
>>>>> >"US"-end
>>>>>
>>>>> >quote.
>>>>> >It is our own self interest that destroyed the nation. We all fear
>>>>> >economic
>>
>>>>> >loss. WE THE PEOPLE allow corporate corruption to run the nation. It
>>>>> >is all
>>
>>>>> >about our own financial self interest. We do not care what the
>>>>> >corporations
>>>>>do,
>>>>>
>>>>> >as long as their stocks climb. We are more concerned about our own
>>>>> >self

>>>>> >interest, in our �retirement accounts� and government sponsored

[jeremy hawk]

No.I cant help him or his family.I am doing good to prepare for me and my doggy.Which those of

you on my FB page know wtf  I am talking about.I have only met ONE cop here that even gives a flying (you know what)about us.NO one can be trusted.I am sure there are sympathizers that give a good god damn.But face it folks...There aint many.Now if it came down to a COM-Pound fight.I am positive gods brothers WILL be there.

 

But until then stop worrying your blessed soul selves..

 

The time is not now.

 

Let the Osama Obama Conspiracy blow over.And when the sheeple come back down to reality....At least We know we are ALMIGHTY ready..

 

 

The Longer We Wait...The Stronger WE shall be...

>watch Schaeffer’s family economically destroyed.

I am an observer of people’s behavior.

________________________________

>that happened, 100’s should take his place. Talk to the press, study >the

>judicial system. Stand. Make them come for you. Let the public see >their

>terrorist’s activities.

>His wife Marti sent out an e-mail wondering if anyone has received >her
>communications. Do we respond to her, economically? No, we distance >ourselves

>from her and Schaeffer. We look at our own self interest and blame >Schaeffer

>Cox for his current situation. We buy extra bullets and beans to >prepare as we

>watch Schaeffer’s family economically destroyed.

>
>What WE THE PEOPLE are facing is exactly what you have explained. You

stated-

>Quote-When that time comes the enemy will not be "THEY" It will be >"US"-end

>quote.
>It is our own self interest that destroyed the nation. We all fear >economic

>loss. WE THE PEOPLE allow corporate corruption to run the nation. It >is all

>about our own financial self interest. We do not care what the >corporations
do,

>as long as their stocks climb. We are more concerned about our own >self

>interest, in our “retirement accounts” and government sponsored >financial

[jeremy hawk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQZnS5kFXqI&feature=player_embedded

[jeremy hawk]

I just got some inside intel

 that the Brownsville police is in bad need of kicking some drug cartel ass

Dont believe me??

Here is the number>>>> 5468477

 

I want to go kick their asses

[ray southwell]

David,

Some concerns I see in your dialog.

 

Schaeffer Cox has not been proven guilty. You continue to support the idea he is guilty and must prove his innocence. It appears you believe everything the FBI tells you. I do not.

 

Militia members talk about supporting other members when the time arises. The time has come for Schaeffer Cox. We need to support him. it also appears the militia concept is foreign to you. You stated you do not expect anyone to come to help you or your family, because you are prepared.

 

Wow, you do not get the idea of community militia.

 

Ray

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From: "david...@hotmail.com" <david...@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 9:46:54 AM

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[ray southwell]

Norm,

 

I have to disagree with you on this one.

 

There is plenty we can do without firing a shot. Schaeffer Cox was doing it. We do not have to consider armed combat yet. We can do as you have done. Stand-up to the tyrant. You have written hundreds of letters to the editor. You talk to the media. Schaeffer Cox did the same; standing up to the tyrant. He took it a step further standing up to the tyrannical Court.

 

Being prepared is nothing without community militia network support. If we do not support Schaeffer today, publicly and openly, what makes any of us think we have any support by being in a militia?

 

Are we alone?

 

Here are answers to your questions. Bold print

-- Is it time to act?-Yes in non violent ways to expose the tyrant
-- What shall be done?-Understand the Constitution-Justice-write letters. Expose the tyrant. 
-- Is the plan practical?-Nothing will ever be practical-they have the technologies and power.
-- Is the plan do-able?-all plans are, the risk will be great-plan impossible-we need the faith-

--Is there sufficient support for the plan (manpower, money, material, time)?-This is the question I raise concerning Schaeffer Cox.
-- What happens if any part of the plan fails?- accept failure and move on, expose the tyrant.
-- What happens if the plan succeeds?-celebrate and move on, expose the tyrant
-- What are the acceptable losses?-none
-- What is the motivation to keep going forward with the plan?-future for our grandchildren.

Ray

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From: Norm Olson <norma...@alaska.net>
To: alaska-citi...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 2:58:51 PM

Subject: Re: [AlaskaCitizensMilitia] T he sissy Federales

>> >watch Schaeffer’s family economically destroyed.

>>>> I am an observer of people’s behavior.

>>>>> >that happened, 100’s should take his place. Talk to the press, study >the

>>>>> >judicial system. Stand. Make them come for you. Let the public see >their

>>>>> >terrorist’s activities.

>>>>> >His wife Marti sent out an e-mail wondering if anyone has received >her
>>>>> >communications. Do we respond to her, economically? No, we distance >ourselves
>>>>>
>>>>> >from her and Schaeffer. We look at our own self interest and blame >Schaeffer
>>>>
>>>>> >Cox for his current situation. We buy extra bullets and beans to >prepare as we
>>>>>

>>>>> >watch Schaeffer’s family economically destroyed.

>>>>> >
>>>>> >What WE THE PEOPLE are facing is exactly what you have explained. You
>>> stated-
>>>>> >Quote-When that time comes the enemy will not be "THEY" It will be >"US"-end
>>>>>
>>>>> >quote.
>>>>> >It is our own self interest that destroyed the nation. We all fear >economic
>>
>>>>> >loss. WE THE PEOPLE allow corporate corruption to run the nation. It >is all
>>
>>>>> >about our own financial self interest. We do not care what the >corporations
>>>>> do,
>>>>>
>>>>> >as long as their stocks climb. We are more concerned about our own >self

>>>>> >interest, in our “retirement accounts” and government sponsored >financial

>>>>> >>>> > alaska-citizens-militia+unsub...@googlegroups.com

>>>>> >>>> > For more options, visit this group at
>>>>> >>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/alaska-citizens-militia?hl=en
>>>>> >>>> > Web Site: www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a >>>> > free
>
>>>>> >State,
>>>>> >>>> > the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>> infringed."
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
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>>>>> >>>> Web Site: www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a >>>> free
>>>>> State, the
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be >>>>infringed."
>>>>> >>>-- >>>Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
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>>>>> >>>alaska-citizens-militia+unsub...@googlegroups.com

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>>>>> >>>Web Site: www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a >>>free State,
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
>>>>> >>> -- >>Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
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>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free >>State,
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> >>right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
>>>>> >>-- >Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
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>>>>> >alaska-citizens-militia+unsub...@googlegroups.com

>>>>> >For more options, visit this group at
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>>>>> >Web Site: www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> >"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free >State,
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> >right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
>>>>> >
>>>>> >-- >Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
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>>>>> alaska-citizens-militia+unsub...@googlegroups.com

>>>>> >For more options, visit this group at
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>>>>> >Web Site: www.alaskacitizensmilitia.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> >"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free >State,
>>>>> the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
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>>>>>
>>>>> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
>>>>> right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
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>>>>
>>>> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
>>>> right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
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>>>>
>>>> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
>>>> right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
>>>>
>>
>> --
>>>
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>>>
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>>> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
>>> right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
>>>
>
>
> -- Welcome to the Alaska Citizens Militia forum.
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> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
> right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
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>
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> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

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[Mary Morgan]

I am apparently one of the few in this group who has not been in the military, and I do not have the military conditioning of both the body or the brain that you all have had.
 
I am a follower of the Lord God Almighty and know He has a great interest in America right now and there have been propehsies of great events coming.
I am also a follower and believer in the Constitution.  So to quote the unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.  That to secure these rights, Governments are institutued among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the goverened.  That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to instutute new Government....."
 
Specificaly this part..."  That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to instutute new Government.....".
 
So what to do?    There was the u-tube posted here awhile ago about Frank Murkowski saying the courts here are based on trust, not judiciary.  Trust, is not the trust you have in your wife, husband, friend, or God.  TRUST is the commercial token where property and money you own is placed in TRUST with someone else as the executor, and you as the beneficiary.  While I do not know every detail of how TRUSTS  work, the best example are lawyers.  You can sue them until the moon turns purple and only get a few pennies out of them, because everything they own is in that TRUST.  But if you are sued you can walk away penniless and bankrupt because everything you have is not in a TRUST.
Dave Bartell was in that u-tube posting.  Dave has written a great book exposing the tyranny of the court system. "Surrounded by enemies of our Freedom".  Dave would be more than willing to come and share/lecture about the court "system".  He is a friend of mine, and I support him and his book.  Dave searched out U.S. Supreme Court decisions about our court "system", and in their own words shows how evil the courts really are.  They are so far away from the Constitution it is flat repulsive.
 
Many, many times I have asked our legislatures questions about the courts.  We hear about bills the legislatures are trying to get put through, and we get our "3 minutes" to address the govt and express either our support or dislike of such laws.  But when do we ever hear about what new bills  for the courts?  NEVER.  Are you aware the courts have gone back to Old England laws of serfdom?  The first thing to ask any so called judge is if they made an oath to uphold the Constitution.  They will all say yes, but as soon as you ask them to bring it forth, you are now treated as a terroist. 
We have all been taught to believe the DA has authority to speak on behalf of the State.  So ask the DA if s/he took an oath to uphold the Constitution and to bring it forth, and they say they have authority to speak on behalf of the State.  So then ask them to bring forth their "POWER OF ATTORNEY" on the states behalf.  Those we have asked that question to have responded with"what is a power of attorney"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Why then does your own lawyer ask you to sign a power of attorney allowing s/he to speak on your behalf in the court room? The Constitution allows for you to have a counselor in court,  never anywhere does the Constitution call for a lawyer or attorney to represent you.  It was those every form of liars that the Constitution Fathers rejected from the begininig of our govt, and it is those very same liars that the courts have reverted back to under serfdom.
 
Assuming of course you actually walked into the court. 
You are met at the door by the first unconstitutional act of unlawful search and seizure.  If you ask them to show the law that allows this to happen, they tell you there is no such law.  So why would anyone walk through those doors?  We have repeatedly approached the court house and asked for lawful, Constitutional entrance into the court house.  It has been denied every time.  But they have a record that we were there .  Can you find any "judge" who will hold court out in the parking lot, so no American will be dishonored?
 
So what to do?  Do you know when your city council meetings are held?  They have a set protocol they follow every meeting.  At the end of their protocol is the time for "any other thing that has not been addressed by this assembly?"  Here is you first "3 minutes" to address your govt.  So if there are 20 people there to object to their allowance of things going on (yes they do make rules for the court, or about the police state, or anything of your interest).  So 20 people times 3 minutes equals another 50 minutes of their time, and as they are obligated to hear each person, with enough people you can actually keep the meeting going on for days, as was evidenced last year in Anch with the gay/lesbian issue.  "Evil flourishes when good men/women do nothing".  The assembly, the legislatures make their rules and statutes because they rarely hear from those concerned about the bullshit going on. 
 
So what ever happened to the sit-ins of the 1970's?? 
 
Is there sufficient support?  The really, really, really cool thing about the Tea Party marches going on was this....there was no leader.  There was no one calling people to come to this march.
One or two people got together and said they were going to do this, put it out there for anyone who wanted to join, didn't know if anyone would show up, and sweeeeeet, there was enough people at the Anch tea party march to completely encircle the entire block!!!!!!!!!!   There was no one telling the marchers to do this or that, we were just doing it.  The last part of the march, someone had a megaphone and was giving words of encourgment to everyone and said lets do this, but that was near the end of the march. There is by far, more people opposed to this unconstitutional, illegal govt and their unlawful and unwanted doings than any one of us knows about!!
 
SC had Dave Bartells speak at several meetings there in Fairbanks.  I am setting up as many meetings as I can for Dave Bartells to speak  during this summer as I can.  He will come and speak to anyone interested, anywhere in Alaska, the more who know the truth the better.  If anyone is interested in setting up a meeting please call me, 244-6711.  Dave will also go to other parts of the U.S., I am not the one helping him set up those meetings, but I would pass the info on to him.
 
What is the motivation to keep going forward with the plan?  A return to the Constitution.  A return to Truth.  A return to Peace.
 
With no offense meant or implied to anyone, my motivation is that I don't have my head stuck in the sand.  Each on of us have our gifts, we each have things we can do, and many of the things I do others would not be able to, and vice versa. 
 

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Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 10:08:22 -0700
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[Norm Olson]

I didn't say that we can't do anything, I said "Don't do anything that

will take you out of the fight even before it's begun."

 

There are actions we can take now that are non-violent.  Their effectiveness may

be hard to measure and may only be revealed by the historians.

 

I continue to write letters and to speak out, but will it change anything?   Nope.

If we vote in new politicians that promise change, will the change happen?  Nope.

If we all go to Washington and march 7 times around the Capitol Building, will

  the walls come tumbling down?   Nope.

If Obama were to leave office immediately, would anything change?   Nope.

 

The reality is that there is nothing that can be done, short of a miracle, that will

correct the course of this nation.    We are marching toward certain collapse

and certain judgment.

 

Normalcy Bias and Game Theory are not imaginary ideas.  They actually affect

the outcome of every good intention.   What will the Tea Party achieve?   Very little, if anything.

Will people feel better that they are trying to save the republic?  Yes, without a doubt.

Will such feelings change anything?   Nope.

 

This has nothing to do with SC personally.  It does have everything to do with

where we are headed and the un-likelihood that we can achieve the objective.

It's easy to create ideas of what MIGHT be useful in order to save the republic,

but must harder to put these notions into action.

 

I approach most everything from a military planning point of view.   It is dangerous

and often futile to launch into an operation without doing the much-needed planning

necessary to insure its success.  Strategy:  A plan, method, or series of maneuvers or stratagems

for obtaining a specific goal or result.    Tactics:  The maneuvers necessary for gaining advantage

or success.    Logistics: The procurement, maintenance, and movement of equipment, supplies, and personnel

to support the tactical goals that will achieve success of the overall plan.

 

Nearly every plan that fails, fails because of poor preparation. ("A Bridge Too Far")

 

Let me ask these questions this time:

 

What are we really trying to achieve?

Can we achieve it without great losses in blood, sweat, and tears?  If so, how?

Has any nation corrected its course by writing letters and public speaking

 WITHOUT the cost in human suffering?  If so, which one? 

Do we cling to the hope that we can actually salvage the republic, or is it really unrealistic?

How many Americans died before the American Revolution turned in favor of the colonists?

If Washington could do it all over again, what would he change?    (mistakes at New York and Brandywine?)

[ray southwell]

Thank you again Mary,

 

I have said there are five ways of "altering or abolishing" government.(five boxes) Four peaceful one potentially violent. Many exercise some of these choices. Few exercise all of them. As best as I can tell, Schaeffer Cox exercised four of the choices. These are Unalienable Rights as expressed in the 1st,2nd,9th and 10 Amendments.

 

You have demonstrated your strengths in exposing the corrupt judicial system.(what I call the peaceful Jury box option)

 

I have spent several years attending Borough Assembly meetings concerning issues at the local hospital. Assembly members know me. The mayor and I have regular communication. The problem is fear in the politicians behavior. They will not cross those powerful people who could destroy their political careers. This is why we must exercise our peaceful option, of the ballot box, and run for office. We need political leaders with courage to stand against the powerful. Schaeffer Cox ran for office.

 

You are correct about the three minutes. Kenai Borough does state the minute total cannot exceed 20 minutes. I have never seen them limit the public speak to hospital issues to this 20 minute limit. The problem they can and do ignore what you may say. Redress of grievances is one of our Unalienable Rights

 

The problem, I have found, is they can ignore our grievances. It is my understanding the Supreme Court has ruled the people have the right for their three minutes, to complain, but the complaint can be ignored.

 

I continue to try the peaceful options. History must show the people tried all peaceful ways before violent options are used.

 

Keep up the good work.

 

Ray

 

 

 

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From: Mary Morgan <purpl...@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 11:21:55 AM

[ray southwell]

Norm,

Isn't that why people do not join and openly support the militia. It is their belief they will be taken out before the inevitable fight?

 

I have no hope of changing things. It is the historical documentation and the hope of rebuilding a Constitutional Republic. Are we approaching a French Revolution or American Revolution.?

 

What I see is violent retribution of the people. No individual or group will be safe if we do not openly stand on Constitutional issues. Yes, some will be taken out before violence. We do not know or understand the reasons. Schaeffer Cox took a stand and has been taken out. We must support him. I think we can agree the FBI cannot be trusted and paid informants must produce a product.

 

So, we back off on the Constitution. We distant ourselves from Schaeffer Cox and other who stand on the multiple Constitutional issues.

 

I would rather be taken out on a peaceful altering or abolishing government then to face a French Revolution and turning away a starving child, because it is all about my survival.

 

Ray  

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From: Norm Olson <norma...@alaska.net>
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Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 3:29:59 PM

[Norm Olson]

We must support Schaeffer Cox.   I agree.  But isn't supporting SC another issue?

 

Let's continue to believe that he is innocent of the charges.  For the sake of

future decisions, let's also consider that he is guilty, only let's not use him as

an example.

 

We've known many people who have been thrown in jail because of their choice

to defy the tyranny of the central government.  All of the patriots who have been

killed or jailed over the last 20 years had a choice as to how they planned to

win.  But in the end they didn't.     Why have we (the patriots) had so few victories

and so many defeats?

That question alone will evoke many different answers, but every answer will

bring up more questions.

 

John Brown had a plan which he believed would work.  He failed.  Why?

 

What lessons can be learned from John Brown's plan to take the arsenal at

Harper's Ferry and arm the slaves?   What was the plan and why did it go

disastrously wrong?

 

Mark Koernke has a family.  What plan did he have and how did it go

wrong?  At the expense of his family, what price was he willing to pay?

 

Randy Weaver had a family.   What was his plan and where did he go wrong?

 

Richard Clark and Russell Dean (the Montana Freemen) went to prison when

their plan failed.   What part of the plan was weak or overlooked?

 

I could list a dozen more patriots who were, are in prison or dead because they

missed something or miscalculated somewhere in their plan.

 

I'm not questioning the valor or the beliefs of these men.  Rather, I'm trying

to determine WHAT WENT WRONG and what prompted each of these men

to go forward with the plan.   

 

Did each of them have a winning plan?  They all thought so, else why would they

implement it.   But in that they each failed.  What went wrong?

 

If we are going to march into battle someday, wouldn't it be logical to examine

what went wrong in the plans of those in the past?   Maybe we can learn from

their mistakes.

 

If we're going to get this right, we better focus on what went wrong with the plans

of other patriots.

[ray southwell]

Norm,

Should we look at the individual battles for change or the final outcome all the battles.

 

Ultimately John Browns desire to free the slaves came to fruition. I do not support violence, at this time, and would not have supported John Brown.

 

George Washington was foolish in his plan for war. The militia could not be counted on, Congress would not provide the food and equipment needed to support his efforts. He continued on and won in the end.

 

The labor movement in the Country started in 1886 with the Hay-market Massacre. Leaders of the movement were executed. The Red Neck War of the 1920's, Coal miners died. During the trials, the miners exposed the tyranny of the federal government by showing the bombs dropped on the coal miners, many of whom fought in WWI. You have the battle of Matwan West Virginia, people died including the city sheriff who stood with the people. By the 1930's these battles brought out the laws protecting the people from corporate mercenaries.

 

The civil rights movement brought about battle after battle where the people died and were injured. You had the development of the Black Panther militia, who said not in our neighborhoods. In the end they won.  

 

You are reading a book by Howard Zinn. He stood with his black students and against segregation, he was fired from his university professorship. In the end he won.

 

The current individuals being taken out are concerning individual battles. We do not know the final outcome.We must support them. First and foremost is in the public.

 

Ray

 

 

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From: Norm Olson <norma...@alaska.net>
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Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 10:22:17 AM

[Norm Olson]

All you say is true.  Eventually, after long and hard protests, civil disobedience, and even militancy,

changes came about.    There can be no argument there.

 

I asked, "what can be learned from the failed plans of these people?"

 

Back in the days of Napoleon, the accepted manner of warfare was for both sides to line up 10,000 troops

in a straight line across a 100yard open field and just keep firing until  either side retreated.   Were wars won

that way?   Of course.     Battle losses were often upwards of 60% dead or wounded.

   If wars were won that way, why did our method of fighting change?    It changed because someone had

the sense to learn from their mistakes.     To the politician, the WINNING was the important thing. To the military

minded planner, It wasn't THAT they won, but how they could have done better with far fewer losses.

Someone simply asked the question:  Is there a better way to achieve the objective without the great loss of life

and the expense?

 

Back in World War I, the popular method of warfare was to keep throwing bodies at the enemy.  It was

thought that eventually the enemy would run out of ammunition for leave because of fatigue.  Trench warfare

did nothing but cause great suffering.

 

What can be learned from:

The Battle of Cannae

The Battle of Carrhae

The Battle of Teutoburg Forest

The Battle of Watling Street

The Battle of Guandu

The Battle of Acheloos

The Battle of Manzikert

The Battle of Stirling Bridge

The Battle of Agincourt

The Spanish Armada in 1588

The Charge of the Light Brigade

The Battle of the Little Bighorn

Napoleon's Invasion of Russia

the Battle of Fredericksburg

the Battle of Cold Harbor

Pickett's Charge

The Battle of Gallipoli

The Battle of the Somme

The Maginot line

Operation Compass

Operation Typhoon

The Attack on Pearl Harbor

The naval Battle of Midway

The Allied Dieppe Raid

The Battle of Stalingrad

The Bay of Pigs Invasion

The Six-Day War

The Battle of Mogadishu

 

In every case, someone lost and someone won, but the winning side won ONLY BECAUSE OF
THE MISTAKES OF THE OPPONENT.   Hundreds of thousands of lives were lost because of

errors in leadership or planning.

 

All I'm saying is that there needs to be careful thought given to the planning of any undertaking

if one hopes to succeed without becoming a casualty.    Research and read about every one of

the battles and operations above.   What happened and why did the plan fail and why was the

battle lost.    This list comes from Wikipedia under the subject:   Greatest Military Blunders.

 

Fortunately, every soldier gets a grave with a fancy headstone in a cemetery.  UNFORTUNATELY,

no fallen soldier gets a truthful story written recounting the failures leading to his death.

 

Many military leaders are nothing more than monsters bent on winning for their own ambition,

not caring how many soldiers die.   Add to these ambitious egomaniacs the failure of planning

and it's a wonder that any soldier survives!!

[ray southwell]

Norm,

All the perfect plans and study, people still fail. Much of what you present is the fact, most governments and military see the people as expendable. The plan is to win and human life is cheap according to historical truth.

We see things differently than the government and military. From conception to natural death, we believe life is precious. We do all we can to preserve life.

At some point in time, my life is not as important as my grandchildren or the young families I see around me.

I take risks for change. Not because I believe I can change the economic catastrophe facing the world but because I want a community united together for the common good. What I see in many, is self interest and the hell with the common good.

By exposing the tyranny in the USA, people will begin to recognize what is happening.

There are individuals that spend their life developing a perfect plan for a business or a dream and never step out in faith. They never accomplish their dream because they want a perfect plan. At some point, people must step out with a plan (as have you, me and Schaeffer Cox have) or our posterity will never forgive us.

Ray

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