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From experience customers do have an opportunity to provide more visually pleasing applications, but most default to lots of columns n fields, breaking out of the "enterprise look and feel" does appear to be hard.
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I tried for a fancy look and feel so went to integrate primefaces but couldn't for a nos of reasons. Anyways going back on the topic skinning knowledge is very much required for public facing portals.
May be we need a book on skinning, What say ?
thnks
Kamaal
Oracle ADF Faces Skin Editor Link
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Aziz Acar <azizac...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Saif,
In essence ADF skinning boils down to CSS. The real trick is trying and figure the psuedo elements of rich components, and to get on top of that you really need to use Oacle ADF Skin Editor (free download compliments of Oracle about 450 MB).Go through a few of the Oracle tutorials/examples regarding skinning, this will show you how to over-ride the default ADF skin with your custom skin.And then once you're comfortable with that you should look at creating your own CSS file within that skin.And then use ADF Skin editor to figure out how to change look'n'feel of rich components.
ORACLE SKIN EDITOR is your friend when it comes to skinning b/c it allows you to discover pseudo elements of an adf rich component that you would otherwise have great difficulty in figuring out.
Cheers, AA
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Saif Kamaal <saifk...@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
I tried for a fancy look and feel so went to integrate primefaces but couldn't for a nos of reasons. Anyways going back on the topic skinning knowledge is very much required for public facing portals.
May be we need a book on skinning, What say ?
thnks
Kamaal
On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 6:40:30 AM UTC+4, Rutwik Chandorkar wrote:
One of my ex-clients website built using ADF 10g skinning to extreme with just little bit of jQuery thrown-in for some special effects here and there and a home grown CAPTCHA:�
On 7 August 2012 18:43, John Flack <Jo...@smdi.com> wrote:
Our client's ADF 10g site, http://findtreatment.samhsa.gov/MHTreatmentLocator/ uses Apache MyFaces Tomahawk in a few pages (the selection by State, and the Select Services page).� But I have to admit that it was tough to get this to work in 10g because ADF Faces 10g doesn't play well with others.� We're experimenting with other JSF libraries using Facelets in 11gR2, and it is working a lot better.� Still a bit quirky- hard to use the page designer - you have to tell it not to bother trying to render the foreign components, and it sometimes marks errors that aren't errors.� But it does work, and it looks good.
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Has anyone tried including other JSF libraries into ADF applications?
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A few other resources:
How to work with the skin editor:
https://blogs.oracle.com/shay/entry/adf_faces_skin_editor_how
ADF Insider about skinning:
http://download.oracle.com/otn_hosted_doc/jdeveloper/11gdemos/adf-insider-skinning/adf-insider-skinning.html
Many other skin related blogs here:
http://www.connotea.org/user/jdeveloper/tag/skinning
Shay
On 8/8/2012 9:05 AM, Dinil Mithra V S wrote:
Oracle ADF Faces Skin Editor Link
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Aziz Acar <azizac...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Saif,
In essence ADF skinning boils down to CSS. The real trick is trying and figure the psuedo elements of rich components, and to get on top of that you really need to use Oacle ADF Skin Editor (free download compliments of Oracle about 450 MB).Go through a few of the Oracle tutorials/examples regarding skinning, this will show you how to over-ride the default ADF skin with your custom skin.And then once you're comfortable with that you should look at creating your own CSS file within that skin.And then use ADF Skin editor to figure out how to change look'n'feel of rich components.
ORACLE SKIN EDITOR is your friend when it comes to skinning b/c it allows you to discover pseudo elements of an adf rich component that you would otherwise have great difficulty in figuring out.
Cheers, AA
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Saif Kamaal <saifk...@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
I tried for a fancy look and feel so went to integrate primefaces but couldn't for a nos of reasons. Anyways going back on the topic skinning knowledge is very much required for public facing portals.
May be we need a book on skinning, What say ?
thnks
Kamaal
On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 6:40:30 AM UTC+4, Rutwik Chandorkar wrote:
One of my ex-clients website built using ADF 10g skinning to extreme with just little bit of jQuery thrown-in for some special effects here and there and a home grown CAPTCHA:
On 7 August 2012 18:43, John Flack <Jo...@smdi.com> wrote:
Our client's ADF 10g site, http://findtreatment.samhsa.gov/MHTreatmentLocator/ uses Apache MyFaces Tomahawk in a few pages (the selection by State, and the Select Services page). But I have to admit that it was tough to get this to work in 10g because ADF Faces 10g doesn't play well with others. We're experimenting with other JSF libraries using Facelets in 11gR2, and it is working a lot better. Still a bit quirky- hard to use the page designer - you have to tell it not to bother trying to render the foreign components, and it sometimes marks errors that aren't errors. But it does work, and it looks good.
On Monday, August 6, 2012 9:45:03 PM UTC-4, Chad Thompson wrote:
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Has anyone tried including other JSF libraries into ADF applications?
- Chad
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A few other resources:
How to work with the skin editor:
https://blogs.oracle.com/shay/entry/adf_faces_skin_editor_how
ADF Insider about skinning:
http://download.oracle.com/otn_hosted_doc/jdeveloper/11gdemos/adf-insider-skinning/adf-insider-skinning.html
Many other skin related blogs here:
http://www.connotea.org/user/jdeveloper/tag/skinning
Shay
On 8/8/2012 9:05 AM, Dinil Mithra V S wrote:
Oracle ADF Faces Skin Editor Link
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Aziz Acar <azizac...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Saif,
In essence ADF skinning boils down to CSS. The real trick is trying and figure the psuedo elements of rich components, and to get on top of that you really need to use Oacle ADF Skin Editor (free download compliments of Oracle about 450 MB).Go through a few of the Oracle tutorials/examples regarding skinning, this will show you how to over-ride the default ADF skin with your custom skin.And then once you're comfortable with that you should look at creating your own CSS file within that skin.And then use ADF Skin editor to figure out how to change look'n'feel of rich components.
ORACLE SKIN EDITOR is your friend when it comes to skinning b/c it allows you to discover pseudo elements of an adf rich component that you would otherwise have great difficulty in figuring out.
Cheers, AA
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Saif Kamaal <saifk...@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
I tried for a fancy look and feel so went to integrate primefaces but couldn't for a nos of reasons. Anyways going back on the topic skinning knowledge is very much required for public facing portals.
May be we need a book on skinning, What say ?
thnks
Kamaal
On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 6:40:30 AM UTC+4, Rutwik Chandorkar wrote:
One of my ex-clients website built using ADF 10g skinning to extreme with just little bit of jQuery thrown-in for some special effects here and there and a home grown CAPTCHA:
On 7 August 2012 18:43, John Flack <Jo...@smdi.com> wrote:
Our client's ADF 10g site, http://findtreatment.samhsa.gov/MHTreatmentLocator/ uses Apache MyFaces Tomahawk in a few pages (the selection by State, and the Select Services page). But I have to admit that it was tough to get this to work in 10g because ADF Faces 10g doesn't play well with others. We're experimenting with other JSF libraries using Facelets in 11gR2, and it is working a lot better. Still a bit quirky- hard to use the page designer - you have to tell it not to bother trying to render the foreign components, and it sometimes marks errors that aren't errors. But it does work, and it looks good.
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Has anyone tried including other JSF libraries into ADF applications?
- Chad
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Checking the source, this website is using jquery to spruce things up a bit.e.g.:
jQuery(window).load(function () { baeLib.common.load(); baeLib.homepage.carousel(); baeLib.homepage.insideEditionInit(); baeLib.homepage.updateContent(0); });
On Monday, August 6, 2012 8:39:36 PM UTC-4, agawish wrote:
Try www.baesystems.com
On Tuesday, August 7, 2012, Brian Huff wrote:
I have a client who is convinced that ADF can't be 'beautiful'. I know I can always embed jQuery into an ADF page to pretty it up a bit, or add fancy animations, but I'd like to come up with proof that it can be done. Unfortunately, most of my ADF work is pretty utilitarian.
Does anybody have a public example of a pretty ADF site that does not use jQuery? Just the skinning ability?
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Pretty much all of the sites linked so far are using jQuery one way or another. Common uses are lightboxes and carousels. But hey, no one ever said that you can only use one tool to build a house, right?
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So the lightbox is basically the equivalent of the ADF Faces dialog?
http://jdevadf.oracle.com/adf-richclient-demo/faces/components/secondaryWindows/dialogCustomAndStandardButtons.jspx
Not sure I see the complexity in the ADF solution for that.
Well you can't really turn the table on jQuery as it is being used as the javascript foundation library for ADF Faces' competitors(PrimeFaces and JBoss' Rich Faces). It is so ubiquitous that even ADF users end up including the library in their applications. Why? Well sometimes a full-blown JSF component is overkill. Sometimes you have styling requirements that cannot be easily applied to ADF's markup(e.g. you need HTML alterations).Don't get me wrong. I think ADF's component set is impressive. But it certainly doesn't cover 100% of the use cases. No one is expecting it to. If we were to limit ourselves only to what is in the ADF component set all the time then we are essentially forgoing a lot of the power of browser-based presentation. Take for instance the ADF carousel. It is a powerful component in that it not only supports image carousels but just about carousels of anything. In other words, the ADF carousel is striving to be a jack of all trades. This is understandable from a framework developer's perspective. You want your component to cover the largest amount of use cases. However, this comes at some tradeoffs. For example, ADF's carousel isn't as great an image carousel as other options that one can freely find. Some examples to look at:How are these superior image carousels compared to ADF's offering? Well let's see. If we define the requirement to be for an image carousel then functionally, all these carousels, at minimum, provide the same level of functionality as ADF's carousels. How about aesthetics and customizability? These are by far more 'pretty' and effective as an eye candy than ADF's carousel. The animations choices are varied whereas ADF's has none. The animation even seems smoother. I could go on but I think you get the point.In our case, we ended up creating 3 or 4 custom ADF components( http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/E17904_01/web.1111/b31973/ad_custom.htm#CHDJIEDB ). Note that these are full-fledged ADF components not declarative or JSF components. We decided to go this route because what we wanted was to add to the component set and not just a one-off solution. If you must know, these components were input dates(we needed multi-month display date pickers), a 'news ticker' component that cycled through a list of messages, an accordion layout container that supported PPR disclosure. The hardest part was the first component since the documentation isn't exactly crystal clear. All of these components were using jquery(using the js-features approach of adf components).So yeah, I don't think limiting ourselves to just the things inside ADF's toolbox is a good idea. I even wish that Oracle would embrace the Open-Close* principle for ADF Faces.
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