New Pari-Moto Impressions

[Hudson Doerge]

I thought I would offer my initial impressions of the new Pari-Motos since before I purchased them it was difficult to figure out exactly what is going on with all the new Pari-Moto versions floating around out there. I purchased the new 650bx42mm version with the "gravel" casing. Apparently these include "additional bead to bead puncture protection," but to my hand the difference in weight and flexibility is imperceptible compared to my standard casing BSP. I also figured this sidewall protection would be welcome since I planned to run these tubeless. My main concern based on others' feedback was that these would not measure out as wide as BSP. To my relief they measured at least as wide, if not a touch wider than my roommates BSP, also mounted tubeless on the same width rim. Tubeless setup was slightly more difficult than other tires I had set up at home. It took several tries with the Bontrager Flash Charger pump to get the bead to seat. I inflated both tires with a tube before the tires seated properly and had to soap the bead on one of the tires. Once seated I added 1.5oz of Orange Seal per tire and they have held pressure without issue since.

The ride quality on these tires is superb! Speed, comfort, and cornering is at least as good as BSP standards I had ridden before and I think a bit better since these are set up tubeless. They feel absolutely wonderful. The tread looks to be about the same thickness as the BSP so I am expecting the lifespan to be approximately the same. Overall these look to be a welcome addition to the 650b tire market and a bargain at ~$40/tire.

-Hudson in ATX

[Steve Palincsar]

"BSP" = Baby Shoe Pass?

[Hudson Doerge]

yes, sorry if that wasn't clear.

[Jim Bronson]

I picked up a pair of wire bead Panaracer branded Pari-Motos that look similar to those.  Normally I wouldn't buy wire bead but I got the pair for $22 shipped off of fleabay, that was pretty hard to refuse.

I assume yours are the kevlar bead?

-Jim

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[Mike Schiller]

Great info Hudson... I like that black walls are available at that price point.  The std  BSP's are only available in gum walls, which  I don't like.

~mike

Carlsbad Ca

[Steve Park]

Thanks for the review Hudson.

As much as I love the BSP UL's with tubes, I am tempted to try out the Pari Moto or the BSP tubeless.  It is good to know that you are able to get that to work. 

Also, so good to have real feedback on more great tires in this category.

fwiw I recently mounted a set of Schwalbe G-One's, also tubeless.  They are the 700c variant. but I imagine the 650x40 version will also be an awesome tire if you need something with just a bit of tread to complement your Pari-Motos or BSPs.

[Philip Kim]

I also have these with "gravel" casing on my San Marcos. Really digging them so far. Only 200 miles in.

[Jeff Bertolet]

Where did you get your tires?

It is hard to figure out which tires different retailers are selling. The Panaracer site only lists one width (1.5"or ETRO 40-584) for the Pari Motos, with the Gravel version weighing an extra 40g (340 vs 300). Some online retailers list the weight as 300g but say they are selling the Gravel version.

Biketiresdirect is selling the "road" version for $59, no puncture protection and 300g. The Gravel version is $40 w/ puncture protection and also 300g.

[Hudson Doerge]

I bought the gravel version from universal cycles, which they offer in 38 and 42 mm. There is also a non gravel version listed in only skin wall 38mm. It is super confusing and I don't know what all is out, but I thought I'd offer up what I know.

[Tamaso Johnson]

I bought the non-gravel (gum wall) in 650bx42 from Boulder. My understanding is 42 is a new offering in this tire. Tread pattern is identical to BSP, sans center ridges. Casing seems identical to Hetres. Tire is undersized, approx. 40mm on WTB Frequency i19 (19mm ID) rims. Seems like a nice tire for the price, shame it's narrow.

[Jan Heine]

Here are the differences between the tires:

1. Pari-Moto:

- thin tread throughout

- anti-puncture belt

- standard casing

2. Compass Babyshoe Pass and Loup Loup Pass:

- slightly thicker tread in the center, thin on the sides

- no belt

- standard or extralight casing

What does it mean?

Longevity:

Pari-Moto has much less wear material, so it'll last only about 50% as many miles. However, it's also cheaper, so price-per-mile is about the same.

Weight:

Thinner tread means Pari-Moto is lighter. Pari-Moto weighs about as much as a well-worn Compass tire.

Performance:

Pari-Moto's anti-puncture belt will slow it down a compared to Compass standard casing. Compass Extralight is faster still.

Puncture-resistance:

Pari-Moto's belt may increase puncture resistance. However, wide tires have few flats already, so whether this is useful depends on where and how you ride.

Comfort:

Pari-Moto's anti-puncture belt may make the tire slightly stiffer. We'd need to do back-to-back tests (blind) to tell whether it's significant.

Cornering:

The tread patterns are similar where it matters, so cornering should be the same for both tires.

Of course, we designed our Compass tires because we think it's better that way. However, I hope that the above is objective enough that everybody can choose their tires based on their own preferences.

Jan Heine

Compass Bicycles Ltd.

www.compasscycle.com

[Jan Heine]

I forgot to mention that the thinner tread of the Pari-Moto will compensate a little for the speed decrease of the anti-puncture belt, at least until the Compass tire is worn 50% and has a tread that is as thin as the Pari-Motos.

Jan Heine

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/13/2016 04:30 PM, Tamaso Johnson wrote:
> I bought the non-gravel (gum wall) in 650bx42 from Boulder. My
> understanding is 42 is a new offering in this tire.

Yes, the original Pari Moto was 38mm.

> Tread pattern is identical to BSP, sans center ridges. Casing seems
> identical to Hetres. Tire is undersized, approx. 40mm on WTB Frequency
> i19 (19mm ID) rims. Seems like a nice tire for the price, shame it's
> narrow.
>

How far we have come in such a short time, when we say a 40mm tire is
"narrow"...

[David Banzer]

The Pari-Moto comes in 2 versions, non-belted and belted (gravel version).
David
Chicago

[Tamaso Johnson]

> Tread pattern is identical to BSP, sans center ridges. Casing seems
> identical to Hetres. Tire is undersized, approx. 40mm on WTB Frequency
> i19 (19mm ID) rims. Seems like a nice tire for the price, shame it's
> narrow.
>

How far we have come in such a short time, when we say a 40mm tire is
"narrow"...

 

True. But if you're even going to bother offering a "42" when you already have a 38mm, one would hope it would be closer to size and not (just barely) split the difference... I didn't even need to measure to tell, visually much smaller tire than the BSP EL on the same wheelset under same fenders, ha.

[Tim Gavin]

I tried to set up the "new" Pari-Moto (gumwall, no anti-puncture belt, 38mm, NOT tubeless-ready) tubeless on my PL23 (tubeless-ready) rims... without success.

The tire bead settled into the PL23 rim pretty easily (with an air compressor), and I used about 4 oz of Stan's sealant per tire.

The problem is the casing of the "new" "basic" Pari-Moto is pretty thin, and the sealant kept foaming through the sidewalls.  I'd air the tires up to 40-45 psi, and they'd be down to 20 psi within 20 minutes.  Even after 6 weeks of this cycle, the sidewalls continued to leak.  My friend had similar sidewall foam with his Hetres tubeless, but they eventually sealed up.

After two falls due to low pressure, I replaced them with a new set of the same Pari-Motos with normal tubes, and haven't had a flat since (~1500 miles).

Perhaps the "gravel" version of this tire, with its anti-puncture belt, would have a substantial enough casing to set up tubeless.  But the "basic" Pari-Moto tire is definitely not recommended for tubeless use.

They provide a fantastic ride, however.  Fast, comfortable, fast, sure gripping, and fast.  Did I mention fast?  :)

And, they've been surprisingly durable.  I have ~1500 miles on this set, including commuting on debris-filled streets and riding on limestone gravel.  In that same amount of miles on the same roads, my Grand Bois Lierre tires had ~8 flats and were completely finished after ~1500 miles.  I'm convinced that the file tread of Pari-Motos and new Compass tires is the best; it doesn't capture debris like Lierre or Pasela tread.

Steve,

What is the mounted width of the 700c Schwalbe G-ones?  I'd love to use the 650b version, but only if they measure 38 mm or less.  My 650b-converted Riv Road doesn't fit anything larger.

Tim Gavin

Cedar Rapids, IA

[Jeff Bertolet]

Thanks for the report on the failed tubeless attempt. It will save me a lot of wasted time I could have spent riding.

[Max]

Thanks for a nice report. Seems like a nice tire to replace my Lierres when they wear out, without having to drop to 32 mm Hutchinsons.

[Nick Payne]

I use lightweight tubes with sealant rather than tubeless. No problems with inflation, nor with leaking sidewalls, nor with tubeless rims on which it's difficult to mount tyres. If you buy tubes with removable valve cores, getting the sealant into the tubes is a piece of cake. And I've found that the sealant in a tube lasts longer than a tyre - by the time the tread is worn off the rear tyre, the sealant still seems good. I use a local (Australian) sealant called Spex.

Maxxis have their welterweight tubes with removable valve cores in both 27.5x1.5 and 27.5x1.9. And for smaller tyres (I use the Grand Bois 650bx32 on my lightweight Ti bike) I use the Conti Tour 26 tubes, also with a removable core.

Nick

On 15/01/2016 8:15 AM, Jeff Bertolet wrote:

[Tamaso Johnson]

What is the mounted width of the 700c Schwalbe G-ones?  I'd love to use the 650b version, but only if they measure 38 mm or less.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BASIr4ws2uj/

"Fresh out of the box on a WTB KOM i21 rim. ..."

 

[Tim Gavin]

What is the width of that rim?  It comes in a couple variants.

[Tim Gavin]

What is the width of that rim?  It comes in a couple variants.

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 8:30:26 AM UTC-6, Tamaso Johnson wrote:

[Tamaso Johnson]

"i21" = 21mm inner rim width

[Philip Kim]

I have an extra pair of 650bx42 black side gravel casing if anyone is interested.

On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 10:22:09 AM UTC-5, Hudson Doerge wrote:

[Jim Bronson]

Plus folding and wire bead...

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[Luc D]

Hello There,

anyone knows the width of one of these of 19mm wide (internal width) rims ?

Thanks !

[Philip Kim]

Luc,

I had the Parimoto "Gravel King" Casing '27.5x1.75', which came out to 40mm on pacenti brevet rims which are i19mm

[Philip Kim]

with tubes

[Luc D]

Thanks and sorry for the late reply, I am new to google grousp and I forgot to check the "email updates..box"

I also forget to mention that I was specifically looking for the width of pari-moto 1.5" on 19mm (internal width) rim.

There is around 43/44 mm clearance on the conversion I am planning to do, so I was trying to understand if these tyres are somehow undersized (like Schwalbe's for instance)