Re: Fusion Repeaters
Rob Barnett
Hi Steve – thanks, yes, I get it.
And now we have no expanded York Region coverage and have abandoned the idea of increased coverage on the Canada room. Is that what we want or is there something else we’re trying to do? I have no opinion on the matter except that York Region coverage is generally a good thing for the club.
After 15 emails on the subject, I haven’t seen anyone propose any course of action. Does that mean everything is fine the way it is currently? If that’s the case then we can stop this, otherwise please someone state what they think needs to be done and we can try to reach a consensus.
If this were a board meeting, I’d be asking for a motion right now.
73
Chris
From: Steve Holland <VE...@hotmail.ca>
Sent: July 31, 2021 10:02 AM
To: Chris Sullivan <ch...@ve3nrt.net>; 'Mike VA3MCT' <va3...@gmail.com>
Cc: 'Rob Barnett' <robbarn...@gmail.com>; 'Rick Armitage' <ve3...@sympatico.ca>; 'Mike Veit' <mik...@veit.ca>
Subject: RE: Fusion Repeaters
Hi Chris: Mike has already explained it, but to recap: the default room is set in the software in each repeaters computer. In our case, at Mike's house. The PIC default room is set on the computer at the site. The original intent of having all the machines connected to York Region room was to get full coverage of all of York Region and beyond, with coverage holes filled in. Then, Mike and Steve EZ moved all to the Canada room to increase activity on the repeaters, as it was explained to me. Any user can still put YRC on any room they choose but it reverts back to the default room following a set time (like we had the DStar set)
Steve UT
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From: Chris Sullivan <ch...@ve3nrt.net>
Date: 2021-07-31 9:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
To: 'Mike VA3MCT' <va3...@gmail.com>
Cc: 'Steve Holland' <ve...@hotmail.ca>, 'Rob Barnett' <robbarn...@gmail.com>, 'Rick Armitage' <ve3...@sympatico.ca>, 'Mike Veit' <mik...@veit.ca>
Subject: RE: Fusion Repeaters
OK. So going back to Steve’s earlier comment “Originally, the intentions were to have YRC, PIC and another Fusion machine at Egypt with all three repeaters linked full time via York Region Room to give us wide coverage of York Region and beyond. It can still work even without Egypt (but not quite as good). Chris VE3BNI would need to be on board to put PIC back on York Region Room. Otherwise, we abandon the whole plan and go back to YRC being "stand alone".”
I am still unclear on:
- Whose intentions were to have YRC, PIC and YRK Egypt Fusion be linked full time on a York Region Room?
- Is that still the intention (sans Egypt, which doesn’t appear to be feasible) of those people?
- Is that something that the club’s Fusion users feel is desirable?
I don’t see any point in negotiating with Chris unless we have a position on the desired outcome(s).
73,
Chris
From: Mike VA3MCT <va3...@gmail.com>
Sent: July 31, 2021 9:30 AM
To: Chris Sullivan <ch...@ve3nrt.net>
Cc: Steve Holland <ve...@hotmail.ca>; Rob Barnett <robbarn...@gmail.com>; Rick Armitage <ve3...@sympatico.ca>; Mike Veit <mik...@veit.ca>
Subject: Re: Fusion Repeaters
The message was garbled due to android trying to fix my typing. Anyway, back to a real computer.
I do not know what Chris is doing and I am not sure why he would link BNI to the York room. Chris, like us, runs an independant repeater. I think the YRARC repeater group needs to chat to Chris and see how we can take Fusion forward in the area or leave as is.
The repeater does revert back to the default room after a period of inactivity, based on local RF, after 10 minutes. (range is 5-60), i.e. you cannot change a room to the main Americas Room and expect it to stay there even if it's busy. If no one at our end on RF chimes in then it will revert to default.
Hope that helps,
Mike VA3MCT
On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 at 09:19, Chris Sullivan <ch...@ve3nrt.net> wrote:
Thanks Mike, although your message was a bit garbled, I think I get the gist. When you say that we are stand alone, does that mean that Chris has not changed the BNI repeater default to the York Region room? Is that because he hasn’t got around to it, or does he have other ideas about it?
Does the repeater revert to the default room after some period of inactivity? If so, does it count all activity or just local?
73,
Chris
From: Mike VA3MCT <va3...@gmail.com>
Sent: July 31, 2021 8:41 AM
To: Chris Sullivan <ch...@ve3nrt.net>
Cc: Steve Holland <ve...@hotmail.ca>; Rob Barnett <robbarn...@gmail.com>; Rick Armitage <ve3...@sympatico.ca>; Mike Veit <mik...@veit.ca>
Subject: Re: Fusion Repeaters
It's already done.
Our fusion repeater is stand alone.
What wires-x enabled ISS tji do is to change the default to a different room.
We happened to set it to ther room that Steve and Chris had set up thi try to get more coverage, in ther end we'r actually moved it to a cross Canada room.
The default has now been set back to York Region.
Any fusion user going through the repeater can at any time change the room we are in directly from their own radio. All we have changed is the default room.
Mike
On Sat., Jul. 31, 2021, 8:27 a.m. Chris Sullivan, <ch...@ve3nrt.net> wrote:
Hi Steve,
As we’ve moved the ‘room’ before I don’t see why we can’t move it again if the York Region room is what we feel the Fusion users want. Is this as simple as you having a chat with Chris or is something else stopping us?
73,
Chris
From: Steve Holland <ve...@hotmail.ca>
Sent: July 24, 2021 9:40 AM
To: Chris Sullivan <ch...@ve3nrt.net>; 'Mike VA3MCT' <va3...@gmail.com>; 'Rob Barnett' <robbarn...@gmail.com>; 'Rick Armitage' <ve3...@sympatico.ca>
Cc: mik...@veit.ca
Subject: RE: Fusion Repeaters
I know Chris. I've known him since he was about 18 years old when he joined the club. He lives in Mt. Albert.
Steve UT
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From: Chris Sullivan <ch...@ve3nrt.net>
Date: 2021-07-24 9:11 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
To: 'Steve Holland' <VE...@hotmail.ca>, 'Mike VA3MCT' <va3...@gmail.com>, 'Rob Barnett' <robbarn...@gmail.com>, 'Rick Armitage' <ve3...@sympatico.ca>
Cc: 'Rick Armitage' <ve3...@sympatico.ca>, mik...@veit.ca
Subject: RE: Fusion Repeaters
Thanks Steve,
I don’t know Chris VE3BNI. Is there someone who does, or do we try to influence him through Steve VE1OR?
73,
Chris
Revised summary:
· VE3PIC, a Fusion repeater on 146.67, is probably located in Uxbridge, but might be in Egypt. We can check with VE1OR about that.
· VE3PIC is registered with ISED as a club repeater and the licencee is Rick Smiles. He is listed as residing in Pickering, and also holds VE3IU and VE3IHT. To the best of our knowledge, we would go through VE3BNI (Chris Gayle, Mt. Albert) to have changes made to the configuration of that repeater.
· VE3YRK is currently on the air at McKenzie health on 147.180 although coverage is limited, and it rarely used as it has no internet access. The pair was used temporarily for a Fusion repeater in Egypt, but the initiative was abandoned due to interference with commercial users at the site. Permission to use the pair was never formally revoked, but that has not been the cause of any issues.
· The default room for VE3YRC/V is currently some wide area room, and we would propose that VE3PIC and VE3YRC/V instead share a common “York Region Room” to achieve good coverage across the region, even though we don’t have a repeater at Egypt.
Open questions
- Do we think there is a repeater system available to us for Fusion, that could be set up on 147.18 if we had a suitable site (or could solve the Egypt RFI problem)?
- Is our small footprint VE3YRK/D-STAR sufficient to hold the pair or are we worried about encroachment? While I recall discussions about holding the 147.180 pair the main reason we put the Fusion repeater in Egypt was to get Fusion coverage in the north end of the Region
From: Steve Holland <VE...@hotmail.ca>
Sent: July 23, 2021 5:15 PM
To: Chris Sullivan <ch...@ve3nrt.net>; 'Mike VA3MCT' <va3...@gmail.com>; Rob Barnett <robbarn...@gmail.com>; Rick Armitage <ve3...@sympatico.ca>
Cc: 'Rob Barnett' <robbarn...@gmail.com>; 'Rick Armitage' <ve3...@sympatico.ca>; mik...@veit.ca
Subject: RE: Fusion Repeaters
Good summary Chris. Originally, the intentions were to have YRC, PIC and another Fusion machine at Egypt with all three repeaters linked full time via York Region Room to give us wide coverage of York Region and beyond. It can still work even without Egypt (but not quite as good). Chris VE3BNI would need to be on board to put PIC back on York Region Room. Otherwise, we abandon the whole plan and go back to YRC being "stand alone".
Steve UT
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Regards,
Mike Crabtree - VA3MCT - Emergency Coordinator York Region ARES
