How to use Magenta with modern DJ/Production software?

[Victor Ignatiev]

Hello guys!

I found a news about Magenta in the Web. Looks very interesting for me.

Is there any way to collaborate this tool with Ableton Live or Traktor Komplete software?

Me and my friends are interested in electronic music (techno, tech-house, house and etc.)

What can you advice for our usage of Magenta?

Bach or Mozart music is not suitable for a dance or electronic music. Is there possible to make a some kind of "back vocal" in Ableton.

For example i write a main sequence and Magenta will generate a few automatic sequences for my music.

Also i try to understand is Magenta ready for not so geeky musicians, or its too wet till now? We have some skills to compile and start this kind of software, but what kind a result we can have i cant imagine for now.

[Nitzan Hermon]

Would love to follow this, and possibly collaborate. I am a designer, researcher, technologist (and collector, DJ)  – not a computer scientist tho.

[Adam Roberts]

Hi Victor and Nitzan,

We are very interested in providing tools for musicians/DJs/producers to plug into the TensorFlow models being developed as part of the Magenta project. In fact, we will be releasing a basic MIDI interface in the very near future that we (and he developer community) will expand upon. 

Our first few versions will require some knowledge of using the command-line for compiling and running the code, but the goal is to provide easy-to-install packages that anyone can use.

Stay tuned in the coming days and weeks as we begin to roll things out and please send us your feedback!

-Adam

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[Jeremy Ellis]

Hi Victor and Nitzan: 

If you can find a Linux based computer, my following repository makes installation a breeze as only a couple of steps

https://github.com/hpssjellis/google-magenta-midi-music-on-linux-hello-world

 (Sorry I don't own a Mac and I am still trying to make Magenta work on Windows or Online but I need help with that.)

Adam: when you get a draft repository link to the midi tools, please post it. That would be very exciting. Presently I use phpmidi for midi file manipulation at http://valentin.dasdeck.com/midi/ and of course my own website which is an online Flash based FFT voice/instrument analysis to a monophonic midi based database. (Unfortunately this is not very user friendly but does have an old video at https://youtu.be/pCHod5EDfJk) It is a database of monophonic songs that can be exported as midi files using a button just above the generated sheet music.

Anyone can upload their own recordings to the database. It is mainly for showing a few unconventional types of music notation.

[ignatie...@gmail.com]

Nice to meet you, Nitzan, will keep in touch ;)

At my point of view this tool it can be a next level in music digital revolution.

For nowdays we have a perfect tools like a synthesizers from Native Instruments and Ableton. We can get sound of any instrument in the world by a seconds.

We have a STEMS filetype for a new type of music performance. We have Resolute Arena and Modul8 for VJ performance.

And finally if we can integrate some modern AI to music editing it will be a last element from puzzle.

I cant rely that Magenta can generate a full powered music in nearest time, but i think its possible to make an interesting mashups with live playing and AI. Or with artist work and AI support.

To make it possible and to collect a massive feedback we need some more detailed explanation how we (musicians and programmers) can plug in Magenta in to succeeded music software.

Traktor DJ have a network midi interface, so you can get whole control of realtime playing. Check TouchOSC (tool for control Traktor from Ipad). 

Also perfect thing is Harmonic mixing. There is a tool and explanation http://www.mixedinkey.com So machine learning may be done not only by midi, you can analyze harmonies and melodies.

Most of DJ tools users are not a professional musicians, they ver can get no music education (like me;) but they are a big crowd of consumers and enthusiasts. And from that guys you can get a fast feedback.

So, thank you Adam, good luck in your project, we are waiting for magic =))

P.S.: important video about how digital instruments influent on music evolution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4s3OsSFOGs

1 авг. 2016 г., в 18:12, 'Adam Roberts' via Magenta Discuss <magenta...@tensorflow.org> написал(а):

[Float Overblow]

Is there even the remotest chance of a Windows build in the future? There are a lot of good DAWs in Windows, and for an electronic musician a DAW is like their instrument (and takes a similar amount of time to learn well), so there are a lot of musicians that will never be able to contribute here. The virtualization setup doesn't work on all processors, and setting up a second partition would cut out all the space I have for samples and archived stuff. I know this probably sounds like typical bitchiness, but I really, really would like to help work on this. Can't happen without Windows.

[Steven Lamphear]

This should be possible tomorrow once the Windows 10 Anniversary Update (which contains the "Windows Subsystem for Linux") goes live.

-Steven

[Nitzan Hermon]

I am planning on virtualizing a Linux machine using VirtualBox or VMWare. Does anyone have any opinion (or experience) about the effectiveness of that method?  _ Nitzan Studio – Writing – Reading

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 1:07 PM, Float Overblow eag...@gmail.com wrote:

Is there even the remotest chance of a Windows build in the future? There are a lot of good DAWs in Windows, and for an electronic musician a DAW is like their instrument (and takes a similar amount of time to learn well), so there are a lot of musicians that will never be able to contribute here. The virtualization setup doesn't work on all processors, and setting up a second partition would cut out all the space I have for samples and archived stuff. I know this probably sounds like typical bitchiness, but I really, really would like to help work on this. Can't happen without Windows.

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[ignatie...@gmail.com]

Most effective is VMware as hypervisor on clear machine.

If yo just install Virtualbox or VMware on you main OS i think it will no difference. Its just a useful for a work but it is not a story about efficiency.

I prefer VirtualBox, it is smooth and easy and free.

2 авг. 2016 г., в 17:20, Nitzan Hermon <x...@byed.it> написал(а):

[Jeremy Ellis]

I was hoping it would auto-update but even the manual updater is gridlocked

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

As soon as I get bash going I will try to install Magenta. That will be a good test of the new windows ubuntu system.

[Jeremy Ellis]

In settings -->update and security--> learn more--> gave a link to download the update directly. Here it is but I would do it directly from your computer to make sure it is legitimate

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12387/windows-10-update-history?ocid=update_setting_client

[Steven Lamphear]

Hi Jeremy,

Were you (or anyone else) able to get this working? CPU-only TensorFlow seems to work just fine, but I can't get Bazel to do anything in Bash for Windows (every Bazel command just causes the prompt to freeze until I ^C).

-Steven

[Matthew Gantt]

Wow - ditto all above, this is really exciting!

As a composer and conceptual artist, I've been waiting in the wings since the Moogfest announcement to dive into some projects with Magenta. I'm pretty outclassed tech-wise at this point (I'm mostly using Max/MSP, Ableton and similar in my own practice), but a more accessible interface could do wonders for getting artists and musicians engaged with Magenta.

looking forwards-
mg

[Jeremy Ellis]

Steven

My computer is stuck on the authentication step. It is killing me.

[Dan Abolafia]

Bazel has experimental support for windows. Has anyone tried building natively with a windows bazel install?

http://bazel.io/docs/windows.html

[Jeremy Ellis]

Dan:

I am not sure if the windows version would talk nicely to the ubuntu version. I have heard that for installing both java issues you can use the windows installation but save it to the bash-on-windows default file system. Perhaps that trick will work for bazel

[Jeremy Ellis]

So I got bash-on-windows working but it was a huge pain. My legit costco win 8 computer that auto upgraded to win10, the upgrade changed the product key. I had to call customer support and convince them I had a legit key and then they gave me another new one so that the anniversary edition would install.

Did not help that I had lost the original key and had to use some sketchy software called ShowKeyPlus.

This bash-on-windows is such a huge issue I am going to make a new thread.

On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 9:08:21 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Ellis wrote:

[Jeremy Ellis]

Steven:

You probably saw the new post called Can Magenta be installed on BASH-ON-WINDOWS-LINUX-SUBSYSTEM ?

https://groups.google.com/a/tensorflow.org/d/msg/magenta-discuss/86Ej74so7pk/Nv0ooHRkDgAJ

I will probably have to delete my installation and start from scratch as I made a few silly mistakes.

On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 7:48:12 PM UTC-7, Steven Lamphear wrote: