TF Windows builds improvements at next SIG Build

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Mihai Maruseac

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May 25, 2021, 1:21:49 PMMay 25
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Hello, Victor, We were looking at opportunities for improving the Windows build infrastructure. Can we discuss this in our upcoming BUILD SIG meeting on June 8th? Let us know if this works for you. Can you invite the relevant engineers from Microsoft to this meeting?

I'll add this to the agenda of the meeting too, but wanted to make sure you get a chance to see it.

Thank you

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Victor Tong

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May 25, 2021, 2:14:03 PMMay 25
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Hi Mihai,

Thanks for reaching out so that I see this. Can you explain briefly what you're looking to improve in the Windows build infrastructure for TF and how Microsoft can help? Are the improvements for better compilation times?

Thanks,
Victor

Mihai Maruseac

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May 25, 2021, 5:27:07 PMMay 25
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Hi.

Sorry, should have added these details on the first email. The main thing is that our DevInfra team is very small now compared to last year and we don't have much Windows expertise. So we're investigating several ways to make progress on Windows build/test/performance issues. We were currently thinking of one of

1. adopt the Pytorch model where Microsoft builds the Windows wheel
2. require WSL for Windows users of TF and basically serve the Linux package under WSL

There could be other alternatives too, we can discuss these at the SIG Build meeting, I think, together with positives and negatives of the methods above.

Thank you

victort...@gmail.com

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Jun 1, 2021, 1:17:09 PMJun 1
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Hi Mihai,

Thanks for explaining the scenarios. Chai (cced) will follow up to see how Microsoft can help with this.

Thanks,
Victor

Worachai Chaoweeraprasit [msft]

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Jun 9, 2021, 1:01:36 AMJun 9
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Thanks for the meeting today. I think we can build on our shared goal of increasing TF adoption on Windows. We'll get back to you on the topic.

--Chai.

Worachai Chaoweeraprasit [msft]

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Jun 21, 2021, 8:11:53 PMJun 21
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One of the meeting notes on this topic during the last SIG Build community call on 6/8 is that there will be a follow-up call separate from the regular SIG-Build call to continue our discussion on Windows build ownership. Has that happened? 

I'm not able to find that meeting request on my calendar, only the regular SIG call on 7/13.

We may want to bring additional people from our side into that call, so please let me know if it's still the plan.

Thanks, --Chai.

Penporn Koanantakool

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Jun 24, 2021, 3:13:37 PMJun 24
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Hi Chai,

One of the meeting notes on this topic during the last SIG Build community call on 6/8 is that there will be a follow-up call separate from the regular SIG-Build call to continue our discussion on Windows build ownership. Has that happened? 

No, that hasn't happened. We are waiting to hear back from your side first.

Should we do a status update on this in the next SIG Build meeting on 7/13, then schedule a separate meeting afterward?

Best,
Penporn

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Chai Chaoweeraprasit

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Jun 24, 2021, 4:17:45 PMJun 24
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Sounds great. Yes, we will have more update on this topic in the next SIG call.

 

--Chai.

Penporn Koanantakool

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Jun 25, 2021, 2:14:36 PMJun 25
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Hi Chai,

Thank you for the quick reply! We got feedback that we can just set up the separate meeting now. 
Would your side be ready before the next SIG Build sync? If so, would the following slots work for you?
  • Tuesday, 6/29 3-4pm PT
  • Thursday, 7/8 2-3pm PT
Thank you!
Penporn

Chai Chaoweeraprasit

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Jun 29, 2021, 1:54:49 PMJun 29
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Thanks Penporn. Unfortunately I will be OOF 7/5 – 7/9. Maybe we can do this in the following week.

Penporn Koanantakool

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Jun 30, 2021, 11:39:03 AMJun 30
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Got it. The following week sounds good. How about these slots?
  • Mon 7/12 1:30-2:30pm PT
  • Thu 7/15 10-11am PT, or 10:30-11:30am PT, or 11am-12pm PT
Best,
Penporn

Penporn Koanantakool

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Jul 1, 2021, 2:11:09 PMJul 1
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Actually, we have some more slots open up for tomorrow. Adding them here too in case you can meet this week. Sorry for the short notice!
  • Fri 7/2 2-3pm PT, or 2:30-3:30pm PT, or 3-4pm PT.
  • Mon 7/12 1:30-2:30pm PT
  • Thu 7/15 10-11am PT, or 10:30-11:30am PT, or 11am-12pm PT
    Best,
    Penporn

    Chai Chaoweeraprasit

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    Jul 1, 2021, 2:52:58 PMJul 1
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    Thank you! Mon 7/12 @1:30 works for us.

    Chai.


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    Penporn Koanantakool

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    Jul 1, 2021, 3:38:24 PMJul 1
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    Thank you very much! I have set up a calendar event on Monday 7/12 1:30-2:30pm PT and invited SIG Build.
    People can also call in directly using the same meeting link for the SIG Build call: https://meet.google.com/zfy-gkqf-wgg

    Talk to you all soon and have a great long weekend! :)
    Penporn

    Penporn Koanantakool

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    Jul 12, 2021, 12:25:42 PMJul 12
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    A friendly reminder that this is happening today at 1:30pm PT (in about 4 hours).

    Best,
    Penporn

    Penporn Koanantakool

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    Jul 12, 2021, 8:33:53 PMJul 12
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    Hi all,

    We would like to set up a biweekly meeting to continue the discussion for at least the next few months. Is today's time slot (Mondays 1:30-2:30pm PT) good for everyone?

    One of the open topics today was about CUDA build support on Windows. Neither side (DirectML / TF) has the expertise to own CUDA Windows issues. Would it be possible to hear from Nvidia in the next meeting?

    Thank you!
    Penporn

    Worachai Chaoweeraprasit [msft]

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    Jul 15, 2021, 1:27:20 PMJul 15
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    Sorry if I may have missed some of the communications on the topic, but have you guys sent the meeting recap from our last call and the to-do list as discussed? 

    Thanks,
    --Chai.

    Penporn Koanantakool

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    Jul 16, 2021, 1:01:37 PMJul 16
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    Hi Chai,

    Apologies for the confusion. I was just trying to schedule ahead while we were working on the expectation list. Just got done with the list today. Here it is. (Shared with members of SIG Build mailing list.)

    Best,
    Penporn

    Penporn Koanantakool

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    Aug 17, 2021, 6:55:41 PMAug 17
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    Hi all,

    We plan to have another call on Windows build support this Friday 8/20 from 3-4pm PT (tentative). Meeting link: https://meet.google.com/zfy-gkqf-wgg.

    Best,
    Penporn

    Penporn Koanantakool

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    Aug 18, 2021, 7:34:15 PMAug 18
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    Hi all,

    We are rescheduling this Friday's meeting to Friday 9/10 from 2-3pm PT instead. (Same SIG Build meeting link: https://meet.google.com/zfy-gkqf-wgg)
    Apologies for the inconvenience!

    Best,
    Penporn

    Penporn Koanantakool

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    Sep 10, 2021, 2:45:35 PMSep 10
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    A quick reminder that the meeting is happening in ~2 hours. 

    Best,
    Penporn

    Pankaj Kanwar

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    Sep 16, 2021, 7:56:11 PMSep 16
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    Hi Chai:

    Just following up on one of the AIs from last week. Can you help arrange for a call with your WSL team? 

    -pankaj

    On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 1:17 PM Chai Chaoweeraprasit <wc...@microsoft.com> wrote:

    Chai Chaoweeraprasit

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    Sep 16, 2021, 11:02:21 PMSep 16
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    Hi Pankaj, 

    That's what we're working on. We will let you know soon.

    Thanks,


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    Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: TF Windows builds improvements at next SIG Build

    Chai Chaoweeraprasit

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    Sep 20, 2021, 3:40:14 PMSep 20
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    += @Clarke and @Justin

     

    Hi Penporn and Mihai, please feel free to set up a meeting with Justin and myself to go over the set of engineering issues on the Windows build that we may be able to help with.

     

    As discussed in the meeting in the past few weeks, we think the Windows build is important from the engineering perspective, and that the plug-in architecture should allow every team to be more effective in their respective device while sharing a common official host framework. To achieve that goal, we are willing to help improve the engineering fundamentals of the Windows build, and will be open to contribute our work if needed.

     

    Thanks,

    --Chai.

    Pankaj Kanwar

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    Sep 26, 2021, 5:03:22 PMSep 26
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    Hi Chai:

    As requested earlier, can you connect us with your WSL team?

    -pankaj

    Clarke Rahrig

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    Sep 30, 2021, 4:28:13 PMSep 30
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    Resending to see if I resolved my SIG Build alias issues.

     

    Pankaj, thanks for following up here. I’m circling with the WSL team and I’ll follow up in the coming days to keep this part of the conversation going.

     

    Thanks,

    Clarke

     

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    Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: TF Windows builds improvements at next SIG Build

     

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    Clarke Rahrig

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    Oct 6, 2021, 8:25:55 PMOct 6
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    Pankaj, adding Craig Loewen and Ben Hillis from the WSL team to the thread. What's the best way to get a 30 minute call on the books to continue the discussion?

    Here are a few time windows where a 30 minute slot will work for the relevant folks from the Microsoft side:
    • Monday 10/11 from 4 to 4:30 PT
    • Tuesday 10/12 from 3:30 to 5 PM PT
    • Wednesday 10/13 from 4 to 5 PM PT
    Would any of these times work?

    Thanks,
    Clarke

    Worachai Chaoweeraprasit [msft]

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    Oct 12, 2021, 6:56:43 PMOct 12
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    Hi, from our last conversation, we agreed to help with Windows build issues. Is there a list of issues you have in mind or is it something we should set up a separate call for? Just wanted to double click on our next steps here. 

    Thanks, --Chai.

    Douglas Yarrington

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    Hi Clarke - sorry for the late response, we seem to be having some email issues and didn't see this soon enough. Can I work with you to confirm days/times for next week? If possible, we would like to have at least one option for a 9am PT call.  Thanks! --douglas.

    >Here are a few time windows where a 30 minute slot will work for the relevant folks from the Microsoft side:
    >
    >Monday 10/11 from 4 to 4:30 PT
    >Tuesday 10/12 from 3:30 to 5 PM PT
    >Wednesday 10/13 from 4 to 5 PM PT
    >Would any of these times work?
    >
    >Thanks,
    >Clarke

    Clarke Rahrig

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    Hi Douglas, no worries as I was having issues sending on this thread too. Here are a few more options that work from our side:
    • Monday 10/18 from 1:30 to 2 PM PT
    • Tuesday 10/19 from 9 to 9:30 AM PT or from 11:00 to 12 PT
    • Wednesday 10/20 from 4 to 5 PM PT
    Let us know if any of these slots will work!

    Thanks,
    Clarke

    Douglas Yarrington

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    Oct 14, 2021, 12:49:02 PMOct 14
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    Hi Clarke - thank you for the options, we would like to confirm a meeting next Tuesday 10/19 from 9 to 9:30 AM PT.

    We can use the following Google Meet link https://meet.google.com/pmj-viuq-tju

    I've invited you directly, can you please forward the calendar invite as needed?


    Thanks,
    --douglas.

    Clarke Rahrig

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    Sounds great, confirming that timing works for the needed folks on our side. I'll also forward the calendar invite as needed.

    For the discussion I figure most of the time will focus on WSL but with any remaining time we'd like to talk next steps for working on Windows build issues too, as Chai called out earlier in the thread.

    Looking forward to the discussion,
    Clarke

    Clarke Rahrig

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    Oct 29, 2021, 3:07:54 PMOct 29
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    Hi all, following up after the conversation last week to see how everything is progressing on your end?

    Thanks,
    Clarke

    Penporn Koanantakool

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    Nov 12, 2021, 9:17:55 AMNov 12
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    Hi Clarke,

    Apologies for the delay! We have been busy with wrapping up TF 2.7. 
    We have an example Windows build issue now: error message, ongoing fix PR still having the same failure.

    If the error looks familiar to anyone here, we would appreciate your insights on the issue.

    Best,
    Penporn

    Justin Stoecker

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    "This is causing the several tests on Windows to fail with the cryptic error: Windows fatal exception: code 0xc0000374."

    That error code indicates heap corruption:  [MS-ERREF]: NTSTATUS Values | Microsoft Docs



    Manuel Klimek

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    Nov 12, 2021, 2:11:43 PMNov 12
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    IIRC this is the same error @Yun Peng is currently looking into as part of the protobuf update.

    Chai Chaoweeraprasit

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    Correct. I already replied to the issue thread. This is usually an app’s bug. It may not be Windows-specific. –Chai.

     

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    Penporn Koanantakool

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    Thank you all for the quick replies!

    Best,
    Penporn
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