Too Sunny for Scottish Power !

[Trevor Lewis]

When I tried to upload my meter reading to the Scottish Power website this morning of 19th June, it was rejected, as being too high! 

Of course, it was high - but the sun has been shining (who knew?), resulting in the highest quarter of generation since installation in 2011. But computer says no.

I phoned, and was told that I had to email in in a picture of the meter showing the reading and the meter number. In the fullness of time, someone is going to verify this and process my payment. (Scottish Power blames this on the government.)

The Scottish Power website, as well as having the facility to upload a reading, also shows on the FIT page the email address for this, which is what I was told to use. However, I was told that if you hit the same snag as me, and just email in your reading, you will hit the same problem, and will get a request back (if you are lucky)  to send in a picture as above. So I suggest you send the picture in the first place.

If you email as above, they will confirm that your reading and picture have been accepted - but only if you ask them to do so. Otherwise, you will just ahve to wait for the money to be lodged and/or the quarterly statement to arrive (or not?).

[Terry Farrell]

This is now the norm - for all FiT providers. I had to do it with for the last couple of readings with Cooperativeenergy (until they closed for business) and now I have to do it with Octopus.

Ofgem changed the rules to put all meter readers out of work! As Smart Meters are rolled out, it should mean that eventually (theoretically) no one needs to have their meters read expect those with Export meters. So to eliminate the need for meter readers to come round to read just a few Export meters, Ofgem accept photos of the meters.

Make sure that both the meter reading and the meter serial number are clearly readable on the photo you email.

Terry

 

[John Haynes]

Hi Terry

I was under the impression that it is a legal requirement for ALL meters to be read at least once every two years as a fraud prevention exercise. 

Happy to be educated if this is no longer true. 

John 

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[Richard Griffin]

Last time around I received an email saying they tried twice (although strangely the security cameras or Ring doorbell hadn’t picked anything up?) And could I send a photo with date proof by newspaper and one or two other requirements.

I did ask them to confirm that what I sent was acceptable, not wanting to be in breach, but haven’t heard back probably chase them now you’ve reminded me.

Rick

On 19 Jun 2020, at 12:43, John Haynes <thejoh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Terry

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[Andy Fletcher]

On 19/06/2020 11:41, Trevor Lewis wrote:
> When I tried to upload my meter reading to the Scottish Power website
> this morning of 19th June, it was rejected, as being too high! 
>
> Of course, it was high - but the sun has been shining (who knew?),
> resulting in the highest quarter of generation since installation in
> 2011. But computer says no.

It all seems a bit silly in that everyone had record solar PV in May.
They could have saved a large amount of effort and manual work at their
end if they had just raised the limit in their database by about 20%.
I'm sure that would have taken almost no time to programme.

I can't imagine that the benefits of holding onto the cash for another
few weeks would exceed the time wasted verifying all the photos and
manually overriding the rejects!

Anyway June is looking to compensate for the excess of May, it has been
pretty crap so far!

Hope everyone is happy and well


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[Andy Fletcher]

I guess this is relevant to this mailing list as National Grid manage
the core network which all your exported power will indirectly influence.

The National Grid system operator have just issued a statement on their
website about how to use the recovery to head towards net-zero by 2050.
It identifies seven priority areas which would bring the most benefits.

Well worth a read, nothing really surprising but it is good to see that
they are well on board with the move towards zero-carbon. Now we just
have to get the government to cough up some money on home
energy-efficiency and create a load of jobs in the process.

https://www.nationalgrideso.com/news/seven-priorities-green-recovery


/me waves

[John Haynes]

Hi Terry and all

I've now done a bit of (Google) research on the subject of mandatory meter reading and it does seem that Smart meters are not exempt from the 2 year rule.

Hope this helps.

John

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 15:25, Terry FARRELL <terryf...@msn.com> wrote:

If you have a smart meter it is no longer mandatory.

All I can tell you definitey is that when Cooperativeenergy closed for business, all they requested was a photograph of the meter. Octopus Energy accepted exactly the same photo for opening up the new account. Since I was first asked for photos of the Export meter, no one has read my meter. Both the Coop and Octopus told me in emails that Ofgem had approved the changeto proof of readings.

It makes commonsense to me. EDF have such a poor record of customer service, I doubt that they are aware!

Terry

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Subject: Re: [Microgen Database] Re: Too Sunny for Scottish Power !

 

[Gary Coombs]

My question would be, why would smart meters be exempt?  The purpose of the two-yearly visits is to check the TGM, i.e. generation data, not import shown on the old or smart meter.  As far as I am aware, there are no solar PV smart generation meters (yet).

On Friday, 19 June 2020 11:41:20 UTC+1, Trevor Lewis wrote:

[John Haynes]

Hi Terry

Yes, no more manual readings for billing purposes but a physical visit to check the installation to make sure there’s no bypassing of the meter is still necessary. 

How many cannabis growers pay for their electricity? How many squatters pay for the energy they steal?

Some years ago, my then supplier said I could remove the main sealed incoming fuse if I needed to in order to install an isolator. 

If you know what your doing, it’s not dangerous but at the same time I’m not advocating illegal action !!

John 

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On 19 Jun 2020, at 19:48, Terry FARRELL <terryf...@msn.com> wrote:



But on the Smart meter. Org website it states...

"NO MORE MANUAL READINGS

Manual readings will become a thing of the past as smart meters are self-reading. Your meter will send all the details of your energy usage directly to your supplier."

So why do they still employ someone to enter your home to read the SMART meter? It doesn't make any sense. I certainly cannot remember the last time I was visited and a check through 3 years quarterly invoices shows all readings are either customer readings (the majority) and a couple of estimates.

So to sum up, we are all paying hundreds of pounds through our energy bills and one of the main advantages is actually a blatant lie.

Terry

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On Friday, 19 June 2020 11:41:20 UTC+1, Trevor Lewis wrote:

When I tried to upload my meter reading to the Scottish Power website this morning of 19th June, it was rejected, as being too high! 

Of course, it was high - but the sun has been shining (who knew?), resulting in the highest quarter of generation since installation in 2011. But computer says no.

I phoned, and was told that I had to email in in a picture of the meter showing the reading and the meter number. In the fullness of time, someone is going to verify this and process my payment. (Scottish Power blames this on the government.)

The Scottish Power website, as well as having the facility to upload a reading, also shows on the FIT page the email address for this, which is what I was told to use. However, I was told that if you hit the same snag as me, and just email in your reading, you will hit the same problem, and will get a request back (if you are lucky)  to send in a picture as above. So I suggest you send the picture in the first place.

If you email as above, they will confirm that your reading and picture have been accepted - but only if you ask them to do so. Otherwise, you will just ahve to wait for the money to be lodged and/or the quarterly statement to arrive (or not?).

This is now the norm - for all FiT providers. I had to do it with for the last couple of readings with Cooperativeenergy (until they closed for business) and now I have to do it with Octopus.

Ofgem changed the rules to put all meter readers out of work! As Smart Meters are rolled out, it should mean that eventually (theoretically) no one needs to have their meters read expect those with Export meters. So to eliminate the need for meter readers to come round to read just a few Export meters, Ofgem accept photos of the meters.

Make sure that both the meter reading and the meter serial number are clearly readable on the photo you email.

Terry

 

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[Andy Fletcher]

I guess this is relevant to this mailing list as National Grid manage
the core network which all your exported power will indirectly influence.

The National Grid system operator have just issued a statement on their
website about how to use the recovery to head towards net-zero by 2050.
It identifies seven priority areas which would bring the most benefits.

Well worth a read, nothing really surprising but it is good to see that
they are well on board with the move towards zero-carbon. Now we just
have to get the government to cough up some money on home
energy-efficiency and create a load of jobs in the process.

https://www.nationalgrideso.com/news/seven-priorities-green-recovery


/me waves

Andy

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some reason

[Scottish Scientist]

No Andy I am afraid that statement from the National Grid simply won't do, at all.

The issue is the phrase "CCUS" which stands for "Carbon Capture Usage and Storage" by which the UK government mean in detail the content of this wholly unacceptable and unscientific PDF 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/759637/beis-ccus-action-plan.pdf  

Let's leave aside the "U" for usage or utilisation for now and focus on the unscientific claim of industrial-scale storage of carbon dioxide gas in disused North Sea oil and gas fields. This was previously promoted and referred to as "CCS" - Carbon, Capture and Storage - but for reasons I will explain should be more scientifically and accurately known as "CCS-LEAK".

There can be no guarantee that any carbon dioxide gas allegedly "stored" would never leak.

CCS-LEAK businesses could boost their profits by surreptitiously leaking carbon dioxide.

An accidental large leak of carbon dioxide would form a suffocating heavier-than-air cloud which would settle over the sea and perhaps drift over land - killing sea mammals like dolphins and whales and fishermen and over land could kill animals and people. A very large cloud release by a catostrophic failure caused by say an earthquake could release vast clouds of carbon dioxide which could kill a very large number of people - possibly millions. This is the most dangerous proposal you have ever read about - it is much more dangerous - a clear and present danger - than even global warming.

If global warming is the problem and CCS-LEAK is offered up as an alleged "solution" - then the so-called "solution" is much worse than the problem. In short, CCS-LEAK is what you get when bureaucracy and capitalism get their heads together to boost profits, sacrificing everything else - the environment, people and even the sanity of the UK's politics. CCS-LEAK is nuts.

There is not one shred of scientific credibility in the claims for CCS-LEAK - which was offered up as a smoke and mirrors deception to disguise fossil-fuel business as usual.

Now the "U" for usage, minus any claims for large scale "storage" but only if the carbon dioxide is sourced from biogas, biomass or any bio-fuel, could indeed be used for net zero - to make synthetic hydrocarbon fuels (such as methane, for the gas grid) by chemical combination with hydrogen gas sourced from electrolysis of water using solar, wind or tidal power.

However despite the merits of "U" without "S", those merits are trashed by inclusion with "S" in CCUS. So whilst CCU could be OK, CCUS is ruined as a concept by the inclusion of "S" for storage.

So why did the supporters of "U" not advocate it for separately, where it would get clear scientific support? Good question and the suspicion is that the supporters of CCS-LEAK - the fossil fuel industry lobby - have stuck a "U" in there to promote CCUS to try to greenwash their claims for CCS-LEAK, but no-one should be fooled. It is not really the "U" to use carbon dioxide the fossil fuel lobby are really all about, it is the "S" for storage they are really for and the "U" is just there as a kind of fig leaf to greenwash the fossil fuel CCS-LEAK scam.

Now, if the National Grid or anyone else wants to know how to design a 100% renewable energy, net zero electricity grid, they only have to read my 100% Renewable Energy blog - CCS-LEAK scams not included!

Scottish Scientist

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[Andy Fletcher]

On 20/06/2020 01:44, Scottish Scientist wrote:
> No Andy I am afraid that statement from the National Grid simply won't
> do, at all.
>
> The issue is the phrase "CCUS" which stands for "Carbon Capture Usage
> and Storage" by which the UK government mean in detail the content of
> this wholly unacceptable and unscientific PDF 
> https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/759637/beis-ccus-action-plan.pdf  

I missed the CCUS bit of the announcement - agree that CCS and related
stuff is "not good" for bunch of reasons. We shouldn't be consuming
fossil fuels unless in absolute extremis and when we do then we should
be compensating n other ways.

The rest of the announcement appears to be reasonable though :)

/me awaits the next sh**storm :)

Andy

[John Haynes]

Good morning all

No problem with highest ever payment from FiT dept of NPower. Submitted reading last week, money in the bank this morning. 

No request for photo evidence. 

Have a good day

John 

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