Jefferson Quote

[Richard Lowenberg]

[Tom Johnson]

Love it, but can we verify sourcing?

-tj

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Richard Lowenberg
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[drew einhorn]

Googling the phrase "the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations" gets lots of hits.

https://www.google.com/search?aq=f&gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=the+aristocracy+of+our+moneyed+corporations#q=the+aristocracy+of+our+moneyed+corporations&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=1eV&channel=cs&prmd=imvns&ei=60UlT83SAYidiAKr1bH-Bw&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=550374fd478a51e0&biw=1360&bih=655

If it's a myth, it is widely misquoted!!!

See: http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/end-democracyquotation

Drew Einhorn

"You can see a lot by just looking."
  --  Yogi Berra

[Richard Lowenberg]

Tom and Drew,

Yes, since we all know that everything on the Internet is true, I should have checked.

A brief check this morning finds that this quote has appeared in many places online recently,

most slightly misquoted or abbreviated, including in the NY Times:  

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/11/opinion/11tue4.html 

Here's a posting, which checks the veracity of the quote:

http://ricochet.com/intel/Can-someone-source-this-Jefferson-quote 

"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws our country".

It's taken from a letter to George Logan, Nov. 12th, 1816. There's a PDF file with scanned images of an edition of Jefferson's works at this address: http://oll.libertyfund.org/ToC/0054-12.php . The precise quotation from the letter is:

"I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in it's [sic] birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws our country."

RL

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On Jan 29, 2012, at 4:18 AM, Tom Johnson wrote:

Love it, but can we verify sourcing?

-tj

[Gary Lee Nelson]

This from Eisenhauer as he left the presidency in 1960...

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence,
whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous
rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."

The entire speech is here...

http://www.h-net.org/~hst306/documents/indust.html

[Jason Goodyear]

The Jefferson Foundation maintains an online collection of quotes with analysis and research to document their validity and first instance of appearance. Like most of them this one has some truth to it, but appears to be an amalgam of interpretations of and comments on the original. Don't let it bum you out though, there's evidence that he did have beliefs in sync with the current quote.

jason

http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/end-democracyquotation

Also, it's fun to browse here - lots of surprises.

[drew einhorn]

Using the Google Ngram View we see that the phrase "aristocracy of the monied corporations" did not come into vogue until the 20th Century.

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=aristocracy+of+our+monied+corporations&year_start=1700&year_end=2008&corpus=0&smoothing=0

Note: the ngram viewer only works for n<=5.  "the aristocracy of the monied corporations" returns nothing.

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[Tom Johnson]

And THIS, sir, is fine sourcing, indeed. (Assuming the PDF is legit.
But it's good enough for me.)

TJ

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Richard Lowenberg
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[Nicholas Thompson]

I believe the target of his rage and fear. was Dartmouth College.