Is ONOS dead?

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Babis Chatzinakis

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Jul 25, 2024, 11:17:14 AM7/25/24
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I've been using ONOS for quite some time now and I've noticed that from the beginning of 2022 the project is not very well maintained (if at all). So is the project dead? If so, why is that? Eder Ollora (who has been really helpful and active in the mailing lists) mentioned a week ago that the project was passed to the Linux Foundation however I don't see the project listed in their web page. Do we have more details about that? Anyway, it's a real pity because ONOS was hands down the best open-source SDN controller (maybe I'm a little biased :) but I guess all good thing come to an end...

Best regards,
Babis Chatzinakis

Eder Ollora

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Jul 25, 2024, 11:57:08 AM7/25/24
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Hi Babis,

Maybe, it was from long ago that ONOS joined the Linux Foundation. But for sure, I talked to ONF people (now Intel) and I have been told to contact the "Linux Foundation" people. That is because "no one" is working with it, unfortunately.


So is the project dead? If so, why is that?

I guess so (I hope it was not). Maybe, because SDN has come down, to be honest. And no one funds it. Probably because everyone is thinking about Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence (maybe)


Do we have more details about that?

Elisa Rojas

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Jul 25, 2024, 6:29:55 PM7/25/24
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Dear Babis,

Yes, as Eder mentioned, the ONF focused on specific use cases and projects (instead of its enabling pieces, i.e., ONOS) and officially ended activity at the beginning of this year (2024), when it merged 3 of its projects (P4, Aether, Broadband) with the Linux Foundation. ONOS is still a piece in these projects, but I don't think it's going to be maintained as a separate project as it used to be, but as part of the rest (if anything). Eventually this mailing site might disappear as well, as the ONF is dissolved too.

It's really a pity... :( 

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Jul 26, 2024, 3:21:45 AM7/26/24
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ONOS is a basic building block for all three mentioned projects that are now part of the LF. Indeed, from the LF's point of view, I guess keeping ONOS as an official project was a better idea.

However, I recently found valid support for some issues I had on the ONOS Gerrit from LF people...

I guess it is foudamental to keep active the ONOS gerrit that is the most important tool we need to keep the project active... I gess the plan at LF is to keep the gerrit fully operational.

Try to ask jarms...@linuxfoundation.org, he can also help solving some practical issues.

Then, when we have the gerrit... ONOS needs all our contributions!

Best Regards,
alessio


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A: "Eder Ollora" <gan...@gmail.com>
Cc: "Babis Chatzinakis" <babis...@gmail.com>; "ONOS Discuss" <onos-d...@opennetworking.org>
Inviato: 26/07/2024 00:29:39
Oggetto: Re: Is ONOS dead?

Babis Chatzinakis

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Jul 26, 2024, 4:17:06 AM7/26/24
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Hello everybody and thank you for your replies!

@Eder
Thank you Eder somehow I missed this ONF announcement. And thanks for your help in the mailing list :)

@Elisa
Yeah I saw the three projects listed on the LF site but no ONOS. Let's hope that some interest in ONOS will be reignited.

@Alessio
OK it's good to know that some people from the LF are working on the project.

BR,
Babis
 

On Friday, July 26, 2024 at 9:21:45 AM UTC+2 alessio....@gmail.com wrote:

ONOS is a basic building block for all three mentioned projects that are now part of the LF. Indeed, from the LF's point of view, I guess keeping ONOS as an official project was a better idea.

However, I recently found valid support for some issues I had on the ONOS Gerrit from LF people...

I guess it is foudamental to keep active the ONOS gerrit that is the most important tool we need to keep the project active... I gess the plan at LF is to keep the gerrit fully operational.

Try to ask jarmstrong@linuxfoundation.org, he can also help solving some practical issues.

Then, when we have the gerrit... ONOS needs all our contributions!

Best Regards,
alessio


------ Messaggio originale ------
Da: "Elisa Rojas" <elisa.roj...@gmail.com>
A: "Eder Ollora" <gan...@gmail.com>
Cc: "Babis Chatzinakis" <babis...@gmail.com>; "ONOS Discuss" <onos-discuss@opennetworking.org>
Inviato: 26/07/2024 00:29:39
Oggetto: Re: Is ONOS dead?

Dear Babis,

Yes, as Eder mentioned, the ONF focused on specific use cases and projects (instead of its enabling pieces, i.e., ONOS) and officially ended activity at the beginning of this year (2024), when it merged 3 of its projects (P4, Aether, Broadband) with the Linux Foundation. ONOS is still a piece in these projects, but I don't think it's going to be maintained as a separate project as it used to be, but as part of the rest (if anything). Eventually this mailing site might disappear as well, as the ONF is dissolved too.

It's really a pity... :( 

El jue, 25 jul 2024 a las 17:57, Eder Ollora (<gan...@gmail.com>) escribió:
Hi Babis,

Maybe, it was from long ago that ONOS joined the Linux Foundation. But for sure, I talked to ONF people (now Intel) and I have been told to contact the "Linux Foundation" people. That is because "no one" is working with it, unfortunately.


So is the project dead? If so, why is that?

I guess so (I hope it was not). Maybe, because SDN has come down, to be honest. And no one funds it. Probably because everyone is thinking about Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence (maybe)


Do we have more details about that?

For instance: I have these sites:





It is a pity, to be honest. 


Cheers,



On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 17:17, Babis Chatzinakis <babis...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been using ONOS for quite some time now and I've noticed that from the beginning of 2022 the project is not very well maintained (if at all). So is the project dead? If so, why is that? Eder Ollora (who has been really helpful and active in the mailing lists) mentioned a week ago that the project was passed to the Linux Foundation however I don't see the project listed in their web page. Do we have more details about that? Anyway, it's a real pity because ONOS was hands down the best open-source SDN controller (maybe I'm a little biased :) but I guess all good thing come to an end...

Best regards,
Babis Chatzinakis

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Béla Várkonyi

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Jul 26, 2024, 10:13:44 AM7/26/24
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The legacy ONOS has been replaced with MicroONOS. The zoo of southbound interfaces are replaced by P4 only in MicroONOS.

However, P4 also does not have a real following. Most hardware vendors ignore it. They prefer their proprietary solutions.
The whole open standards SDN concept is fading away...

So the legacy ONOS code is kind of an orphan, you could fork it for maintenance. Then start a new foundation for legacy ONOS...

The open source space is full of such orphaned code...


On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 10:17 AM Babis Chatzinakis <babis...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everybody and thank you for your replies!

@Eder
Thank you Eder somehow I missed this ONF announcement. And thanks for your help in the mailing list :)

@Elisa
Yeah I saw the three projects listed on the LF site but no ONOS. Let's hope that some interest in ONOS will be reignited.

@Alessio
OK it's good to know that some people from the LF are working on the project.

BR,
Babis
 

On Friday, July 26, 2024 at 9:21:45 AM UTC+2 alessio....@gmail.com wrote:

ONOS is a basic building block for all three mentioned projects that are now part of the LF. Indeed, from the LF's point of view, I guess keeping ONOS as an official project was a better idea.

However, I recently found valid support for some issues I had on the ONOS Gerrit from LF people...

I guess it is foudamental to keep active the ONOS gerrit that is the most important tool we need to keep the project active... I gess the plan at LF is to keep the gerrit fully operational.

Try to ask jarms...@linuxfoundation.org, he can also help solving some practical issues.

Then, when we have the gerrit... ONOS needs all our contributions!

Best Regards,
alessio


------ Messaggio originale ------
Da: "Elisa Rojas" <elisa.roj...@gmail.com>
A: "Eder Ollora" <gan...@gmail.com>
Cc: "Babis Chatzinakis" <babis...@gmail.com>; "ONOS Discuss" <onos-d...@opennetworking.org>
Inviato: 26/07/2024 00:29:39
Oggetto: Re: Is ONOS dead?

Dear Babis,

Yes, as Eder mentioned, the ONF focused on specific use cases and projects (instead of its enabling pieces, i.e., ONOS) and officially ended activity at the beginning of this year (2024), when it merged 3 of its projects (P4, Aether, Broadband) with the Linux Foundation. ONOS is still a piece in these projects, but I don't think it's going to be maintained as a separate project as it used to be, but as part of the rest (if anything). Eventually this mailing site might disappear as well, as the ONF is dissolved too.

It's really a pity... :( 

El jue, 25 jul 2024 a las 17:57, Eder Ollora (<gan...@gmail.com>) escribió:
Hi Babis,

Maybe, it was from long ago that ONOS joined the Linux Foundation. But for sure, I talked to ONF people (now Intel) and I have been told to contact the "Linux Foundation" people. That is because "no one" is working with it, unfortunately.


So is the project dead? If so, why is that?

I guess so (I hope it was not). Maybe, because SDN has come down, to be honest. And no one funds it. Probably because everyone is thinking about Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence (maybe)


Do we have more details about that?

For instance: I have these sites:





It is a pity, to be honest. 


Cheers,



On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 17:17, Babis Chatzinakis <babis...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been using ONOS for quite some time now and I've noticed that from the beginning of 2022 the project is not very well maintained (if at all). So is the project dead? If so, why is that? Eder Ollora (who has been really helpful and active in the mailing lists) mentioned a week ago that the project was passed to the Linux Foundation however I don't see the project listed in their web page. Do we have more details about that? Anyway, it's a real pity because ONOS was hands down the best open-source SDN controller (maybe I'm a little biased :) but I guess all good thing come to an end...

Best regards,
Babis Chatzinakis

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Alessio Giorgetti

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Jul 26, 2024, 10:49:30 AM7/26/24
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Hello Béla,

are you sure that MicroONOS is used in P4 project of LF?

alessio



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Da: "Béla Várkonyi" <vark...@gmail.com>
A: "Babis Chatzinakis" <babis...@gmail.com>
Inviato: 26/07/2024 16:13:30
Oggetto: Re: Re[2]: Is ONOS dead?

Elisa Rojas

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Jul 26, 2024, 11:43:42 AM7/26/24
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As far as I understand, µONOS was integrated in the Aether project. But it's probably being maintained as part of a whole, as "a project" in LF instead of separate code. 

A fork of ONOS could be a good initiative...
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