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Betsy Grenevitch

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I see that a lot of links in the message have no text. I would suggest
clicking on them and seeing where you end up. By looking at the pages,
you may see what you want to do on the page.

One link, I don't know if there are more, causes your browser to open a
PDF document in the browser, if your browser is set to open them by
default. If not, it may download them to your machine.

I don't recall just what problems you want help with, but I may have
answered your questions.

Gene

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I activated the first link and got the below address, which it crazy long, which is probably why they used a short form.

The first heading on the page says:

Restoring Christ to counseling & counseling to the church

https://www.ccef.org/?utm_source=CCEF+Segmented+Lists&utm_campaign=f7a8ec570f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2025_05_22_02_06_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-aeed2d9942-642968342&mc_cid=f7a8ec570f

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like like Is there not a way for them to have it just say the topic of the link such as Restoring Christ to counseling? Just curious.

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Date: Tuesday, December 09, 2025 08:18 AM
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Subject: Re: [NVDA] Fwd: Preparing for Your Course

I activated the first link and got the below address, which it crazy long, which is probably why they used a short form.
The first heading on the page says:

Restoring Christ to counselingl like & counseling to the church
https://www.ccef.org/?utm_source=CCEF+Segmented+Lists&utm_campaign=f7a8ec570f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2025_05_22_02_06_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-aeed2d9942-642968342&mc_cid=f7a8ec570f <https://www.ccef.org/?utm_source=CCEF+Segmented+Lists&utm_campaign=f7a8ec570f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2025_05_22_02_06_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-aeed2d9942-642968342&mc_cid=f7a8ec570f>

Richard, USA
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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Richard Turner

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Yes, if they were willing to spend an extra 30 seconds or less oneach one, they could easily do that.

It is not rocket science.

And, they should do at least that to meet the ADA requirements.

Richard, USA

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like like Is there not a way for them to have it just say the topic of the link such as Restoring Christ to counseling? Just curious.

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Richard, since they seem to know little about compliance how do I explain to them to make this work? I hope to be talking to their tech department sometime soon.

thank you.

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OK, for links there is a relatively simple way to turn a long link like the one I setn you into a short link that has text instead of an image.

The email needs to be in HTML format which is what a lot of email clients will default to, though I think your email is in plain text because when I just tried to paste a link, it said I had a choice of continuing or switching to HTML…

So, I will be switching to HTML in order to send that same link with a text label, followed by an explanation of how to do it.

Restoring Christ to counseling & counseling to the church

The above link was pasted into the email as:

https://www.ccef.org/?utm_source=CCEF+Segmented+Lists&utm_campaign=f7a8ec570f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2025_05_22_02_06_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-aeed2d9942-642968342&mc_cid=f7a8ec570f

I Then moved the cursor to the beginning of the link and brought up the context menu, which can be done with a right click of the mouse or shift+f10.

I then arrowed to the option Edit Hyperlink and hit enter.

The first edit field is the actual link. Tab once to the second edit field where you can remove the link and type in a name, in this case, Restoring Christ to counseling & counseling to the church and press enter or tab to the OK and press enter. I don't mess with anything else.

If the one that is doing this is sighted, it will be very quick and easy.

HTH,

Richard, USA,

he only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance."

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Thank you. I will save these directions and try it on the email later.

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You are talking about labeling the link after you follow it to know
where it goes. That's backward, since you won't know where it goes
until you follow it. Once you follow it, if you want to look at the
page more, it might just be easier to book mark the link and go back to
the page.

Gene

On 12/9/2025 12:38 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
> Thank you. I will save these directions and try it on the email later.
>
> On 12/9/2025 11:37 AM, 'Richard Turner' via NVDA Screen Reader
> Discussion wrote:
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>> OK, for links there is a relatively simple way to turn a long link
>> like the one I setn you into a short link that has text instead of an
>> image.
>>
>> The email needs to be in HTML format which is what a lot of email
>> clients will default to, though I think your email is in plain text
>> because when I just tried to paste a link, it said I had a choice of
>> continuing or switching to HTML…
>>
>> So, I will be switching to HTML in order to send that same link with a
>> text label, followed by an explanation of how to do it.
>>
>> Restoring Christ to counseling & counseling to the church

>> To: nvda-...@nvaccess.org <mailto:nvda-...@nvaccess.org>

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>> Subject: Re: [NVDA] Fwd: Preparing for Your Course
>>
>> Yes, if they were willing to spend an extra 30 seconds or less oneach
>> one, they could easily do that.
>>
>> It is not rocket science.
>>
>> And, they should do at least that to meet the ADA requirements.
>>
>> Richard, USA
>>
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." -- John
>> Wesley
>>

>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com>

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>> > The first heading on the page says:
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Gene Asner

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Dec 9, 2025, 1:57:13 PM (10 days ago) Dec 9

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Yes, someone could do that for your individual message, so from that
standpoint, it might be worth discussing with someone, as the message
suggests, but really, the way messages are prepared should be changed so
they just are correct in general.

You may wish to get in touch with an advocacy organization such as the
NFB or the ACB to see if they would be willing to talk with someone at
the college.

Gene

Richard Turner

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The steps I gave you are only if you are sending the link or it would also work in a word document. You have to be in an editable document.

Richard, USA

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

(sent from my iPhone 16 pro)

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I must be missing a step per my understanding. If I cut and paste the entire email into a word document--I tried to just copy the link and that did not work either--nothing comes to the document except the information at the bottom. What step am I missing? It is not what you sent but what I am not understanding.

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I forgot to ask how do i change the email to html? Again, sorry for so many questions. I will be saving all of this like I did from the other day.

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Gene Asner

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But why are you explaining this method? The link isn't being sent anywhere and the point is to know what the link is before you follow it to see where your browser goes. And you haven't asked what e-mail program is being used so you don't know if your instructions apply.

Also, for you, Betsy, what do you want to accomplish? You can't know where the link goes without following it and seeing where your browser goes if working by yourself. I've followed about four of these links and three out of the four led to PDF documents, one is the syllabus, for example.

If you want to have the college consider the problem, you may write and explain it, that using a screen-reader, there is nothing read when you move from link to link in the e-mail so you have no idea where the links lead. You may want to contact an advocacy organization, as I suggested to have them talk with the college in more technical terms about the problem. But if your goal is to look at the information now, there is no way you can do that without either following the links and seeing where they go, or asking the school to label the links so a screen-reader can read them or seeing if a sighted friend can read the links and then you would label them in the message. You can't label the links working by yourself without actually clicking the links, seeing where the browser goes, then labeling the links with what you want to call them after looking at where the browser goes.

Gene

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Gene,

First, it really is not your place to ask why.

I sent her more information off list.

Richard, USA

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

(sent from my iPhone 16 pro)

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It is my place to ask if I am not clear as to what you are trying to
accomplish and because if I do understand it, it appears inapplicable to
what is wanted. Also, sending information off list means no one will
know what you sent and won't able to comment on it, thus detracting from
one of the main points of lists like this. Before lecturing me, you
might consider that the list is intended for people to see other
messages and comment on them or correct errors if they wish.

It appears to me that you are giving directions for how to label links
in a message under composition, not in a received message that can't be
changed. If that is what you are doing,a it is completely irrelevant to
the problem.

Gene

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>>> To: nvda-...@nvaccess.org <mailto:nvda-...@nvaccess.org>

>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NVDA] Fwd: Preparing for Your Course
>>>
>>> Yes, if they were willing to spend an extra 30 seconds or less oneach
>>> one, they could easily do that.
>>>
>>> It is not rocket science.
>>>
>>> And, they should do at least that to meet the ADA requirements.
>>>
>>> Richard, USA
>>>
>>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." -- John
>>> Wesley
>>>

>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com>

>>>
>>> (sent from my iPhone 16 pro)
>>>
>>> > On Dec 9, 2025, at 7:01 AM, betsy grenevitch <blinda...@gmail.com

>>> <mailto:blinda...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> >
>>>
>>> > like like Is there not a way for them to have it just say the topic of the link such as Restoring
>>> Christ to counseling? Just curious.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > betsy grenevitch
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>>> > 678-862-3876
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>>> 678-862-3876
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> > From: 'Richard Turner' via NVDA Screen Reader Discussion
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>>> > <nvda-...@nvaccess.org <mailto:nvda-...@nvaccess.org>>

>>>
>>> > Date: Tuesday, December 09, 2025 08:18 AM
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>>> > To: nvda-...@nvaccess.org <mailto:nvda-...@nvaccess.org>

>>>
>>> > Subject: Re: [NVDA] Fwd: Preparing for Your Course
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > I activated the first link and got the below address, which it crazy long, which is probably
>>> why they used a short form.
>>>
>>> > The first heading on the page says:
>>>
>>> > Restoring Christ to counselingl like & counseling to the church
>>>

>>> > https://www.ccef.org/?utm_source=CCEF+Segmented+Lists&utm_campaign <https://www.ccef.org/?utm_source=CCEF+Segmented+Lists&utm_campaign>

>>>
>>> > =f7a8ec570f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2025_05_22_02_06_COPY_01&utm_medium=ema
>>>
>>> > il&utm_term=0_-aeed2d9942-642968342&mc_cid=f7a8ec570f
>>>
>>> > <https://www.ccef.org/?utm_source=CCEF+Segmented+Lists&utm_campaig
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
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>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Richard, USA
>>>
>>> > "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." -- John
>>>
>>> > Wesley
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>

>>> > My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com>

>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > (sent from my iPhone 16 pro)
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > On Dec 8, 2025, at 8:57 PM, Betsy Grenevitch <blinda...@gmail.com

>>> <mailto:blinda...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> >
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>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
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>>> >    Subject: Preparing for Your Course
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>>> >    Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2025 14:49:38 -0500
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>>> >    From: Student Services
>>>
>>> >    <student....@ccef.org <mailto:student....@ccef.org>>

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>>>
>>> > To: Betsy Grenevitch
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>>> > <blinda...@gmail.com <mailto:blinda...@gmail.com>>

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Gene Asner

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Dec 9, 2025, 4:41:16 PM (10 days ago) Dec 9

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I just checked one of your messages, and as I thought, you are
describing how to put the link in an e-mail message you are sending.
You say, "The steps I gave you are only if you are sending the link or
it would also work in a word document." That is not what was asked.

Gene

Richard Turner

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Dec 9, 2025, 6:37:37 PM (10 days ago) Dec 9

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Gene, As I said, I have communicated with her off list and so you can drop this now.

She found what I said to be helpful for saving the information in a more useable format.

Richard, USA

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On Dec 9, 2025, at 1:41 PM, Gene Asner <gsa...@gmail.com> wrote:

I just checked one of your messages, and as I thought, you are describing how to put the link in an e-mail message you are sending. You say, "The steps I gave you are only if you are sending the link or it would also work in a word document." That is not what was asked.

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Sean Randall

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Dec 9, 2025, 8:39:52 PM (10 days ago) Dec 9

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While in this particular case Gene is right, many times you can look at a link’s destination before clicking it with NVDA+k. I’d say this is quite an important digital skill: if you have any doubt about the authenticity of a link, the NVDA+k shortcut reports where the link is going.

In Betsy’s particular case the links are all run through an email marketing tracker, but it’s worth calling out this relatively new NVDA feature again I think.

Sean.

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