Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [NVDA] Any way of suppressing the words Status Bar?

[Gene Asner]

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Gene

On 9/24/2025 5:42 PM, Gene Asner wrote:
> That doesn't prove your point.  If you are saying that NVDA
> automatically reads messages more slowly when you use read to end than
> these other screen-readers do automatically, that doesn't tell us
> anything about the cause.  If NVDA were changed to automatically read
> mail without using read to end in Outlook, it might be just as slow. 
> You can not, if you are, assume that use of the read to end command is
> what is slowing down the beginning of reading.  It may be something
> about the way NVDA works in this context in general and have nothing
> to do with issuing the command.
>
> Also, we know that your experience is slow beginning of reading. We
> need other, confirming messages.  At this point, we don't know if this
> is a general problem, or a problem on your system.
>
> Gene
>
> On 9/23/2025 4:31 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>> Yes I can, because I see it on several machines that are not mine.
>> Just try Outlook with Narrator and see how much faster it starts
>> reading the messages. JAWS is more like that.
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda-...@nvaccess.org <nvda-...@nvaccess.org> On Behalf Of
>> Gene Asner
>> Sent: 18 September 2025 17:14
>> To: nvda-...@nvaccess.org
>> Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [NVDA] Any way of suppressing
>> the words Status Bar?
>>
>> that is your individual experience.  I haven't seen another complaint
>> about this and why responsiveness may be slower in your case is
>> something I won't speculate on, but you can't properly assume that
>> your experience is general in such cases.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> On 9/18/2025 10:52 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>> No way is it faster, in Outlook specifically, it is much slower, I
>>> can tell you.
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda-...@nvaccess.org <nvda-...@nvaccess.org> On Behalf Of
>>> Gene Asner
>>> Sent: 18 September 2025 13:23
>>> To: nvda-...@nvaccess.org
>>> Subject: Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [NVDA] Any way of suppressing the words
>>> Status Bar?
>>>
>>> No, it isn't.  You are assuming without trying it.  I've done this
>>> for years and I'm not worried about a half or a quarter of a second
>>> difference.  One hundred messages, taking half a second longer to
>>> cause them to read amounts to fifty seconds or less than one minute.
>>>
>>> And you don't know it actually takes longer.  NVDA is faster in
>>> responding to commands or starting to speak in a lot of cases.  If
>>> you look around, you will see this stated repeatedly by different
>>> users.  It may be half a second faster so the time would balance
>>> out.  Unless you have tried this for perhaps two or three days, you
>>> are assuming and speaking based on assumptions.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/18/2025 2:57 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>>> That is so inefficient compared to just hitting enter with JAWS and
>>>> getting the text of the Email completely read to you, without any
>>>> extra verbiage.
>>>> If you read a hundred Emails a day, you don't want to be issuing
>>>> extra keystrokes. Like I say, NVDA is very poor with Outlook Emails.
>>>> All the best
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda-...@nvaccess.org <nvda-...@nvaccess.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> Gene Asner
>>>> Sent: 17 September 2025 17:13
>>>> To: nvda-...@nvaccess.org
>>>> Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: [NVDA] Any way of suppressing the words
>>>> Status Bar?
>>>>
>>>> As to your objections of only reading the first line if it is text,
>>>> NVDA never reads text documents using read to end when opened.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt you are even in the Virtual PC cursor, but you'd have to
>>>> check that  But in general, the Virtual PC cursor runs when you are
>>>> both in an HTML document and the program you are using has been
>>>> designed to support using the Virtual PC Cursor or browse mode,
>>>> different names fore the same thing.
>>>>
>>>> As to repeating this or that line twice, when you open a message,
>>>> get in the habit of issuing read to end after you open every
>>>> message.  It will soon become second nature.  If you don't like
>>>> using the default read to end, ste NVDA to use caps lock along with
>>>> whatever else it offers as an NVDA key.  It is very comfortable to
>>>> use capslock down arrow for read to end.
>>>>
>>>> Using Thunderbird with NVDA and just opening a message causes a
>>>> good deal of repetition before the message body is read.  I issue
>>>> read to end after I open every message, avoid the problem and it is
>>>> so second nature, that I do it automatically and don't think about
>>>> it in general.
>>>>      While I don't use Outlook, issuing read to end should solve
>>>> the problem.  It has in other e-mil programs I've used in the past.
>>>>
>>>> You may have to wait a moment before doing so, you may have to
>>>> experiment.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
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