Automatic update of Firefox even with no user logged on (Windows x64)?
Euan Holton
it looks like it will not run at all if either no user is logged in or if
a user who has never launched Firefox is logged in.
Is there a reasonable way to configure the scheduled task so that it will
run regardless of if a user is signed in or not? Or is this out of scope
for the automatic update feature?
MAXIME ACCADIA
I found this feature request (currently open) : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1422646
Maxime ACCADIA
Université Grenoble Alpes
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Groleau, Patrick
Le 29 novembre 2023 4 h 46 min 47 s p.m. Francis <kerp...@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hello,
I have run into this issue in my environment and have not been able to find a solution.
We install Firefox as system via SCCM and then background updates would not work.
Tried replicating the scheduled task as the currently logged in user when the app is installed and it still fails to update. If I am reading the bug report listed above this work around is not possible either.
I service a large group of users and our security policy dictates that all apps present on the client systems be up to date when security issues are addressed in a new version.
There would be a lot of users that would be upset if we had to no longer offer Firefox as a browsing option but it's coming to a point where we might have to pull it from the catalogue.
Any insight on how I can address this would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Francis
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Osdoba, Sascha
hi,
this is something we also would like to get solved. Otherwise updating Firefox depends on how user reacts to the update mark or if user will close and start Firefox again.
At worst this can be days.
Only solution and this is we have done it before, you have to deploy every new Firefox version to the devices. With an ESR version its not that often but annoying at least.
As far as I remember Microsoft Edge is doing the same but with one difference, there is a counter – if update was done and Edge needs to be restarted and it wont be done,
it will do it automatically. Love this. But the first release problem is still existing: for example you deploy version 100.0.0.0, no one is using it for 90 days and if you start using it
you will begin with this really old version.
Regards,
Sascha
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Betreff: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Automatic update of Firefox even with no user logged on (Windows x64)?
Hello,
I have run into this issue in my environment and have not been able to find a solution.
We install Firefox as system via SCCM and then background updates would not work.
Tried replicating the scheduled task as the currently logged in user when the app is installed and it still fails to update. If I am reading the bug report listed above this work around is not possible either.
I service a large group of users and our security policy dictates that all apps present on the client systems be up to date when security issues are addressed in a new version.
There would be a lot of users that would be upset if we had to no longer offer Firefox as a browsing option but it's coming to a point where we might have to pull it from the catalogue.
Any insight on how I can address this would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Francis
On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 9:13:24 AM UTC-6 Mike Kaply wrote:
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Mike Kaply
Hello,I have run into the same issue it seems.We deploy apps using SCCM which installs as SYSTEM. This causes the issue mentioned in the bug report:As a workaround I have tried to programmatically create the scheduled task to be ran as the user when Firefox is installed with the same settings as the installer uses.Reading the bug report notes this will not work either and this is also what my testing has shown.My workplace has strict compliance policies for apps receiving their updates when they are addressing vulnerabilities on the large user base I support.Is there a workaround to allow Firefox to background update with no user intervention when Firefox is installed as SYSTEM?If not I might have to remove it from our application catalogue and that would frustrate many of our users.Francis
On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 9:13:24 AM UTC-6 Mike Kaply wrote:
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James Andrewartha
Hi,
This is an improvement, but if a user doesn't have admin rights
they still won't be able to update an installation? I just checked
my laptop, Firefox is installed via Intune and the scheduled task
is correctly installed for my user, but I regularly get prompts on
startup saying Firefox couldn't update itself.
Thanks,
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Osdoba, Sascha
this isnt just an improvement, this will be a big, big, big change – biggest for this year I guess
until now we have this scenarion:
we install version 1, user didn’t used it so it will be still version 1 after months, then he is using it after months and its still the old version 1 until next start of Firefox (or user will see this little mark/point and check for it)
for updating Firefox without having admin rights you need two things:
- installed Mozilla Maintenance Service
- enabled setting/preferences (for example via group policy) to allow updates ->
https://mozilla.github.io/policy-templates/ ->
AppAutoUpdate
(there is also a background updater mentioned, I have never seen that this is working)
We have seen on 2 of ~3000 devices that Firefox updates sometimes still not works, uninstall Firefox and Mozilla Maintenance Service and reinstall fixed this
Regards,
Sascha
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Jan-Peter Rühmann
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