Thread for notice for items for 2/4 meeting

[Secretary LNC]

Since we amended the policy manual, five days notice is required making items due on 1/30.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos

LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

[Secretary LNC]

We have standing items for reports from Ballot Access and Convention Oversight.

I will have a policy manual change allowing the LNC to meet immediately upon the call of the Chair during a national convention to address any item that requires LNC attention.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos

LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

[Secretary LNC]

Here is the language, it would go into section 1.02

9)    Emergency Meetings During a National Convention

 

If an emergency matter arises during a national convention, the LNC may meet immediately upon either the call of the Party Chair or any two (2) officers.  The meeting may be held in a hybrid electronic/in-person format only if that is necessary to achieve quorum, otherwise it will be held solely in-person.  An announcement of such a meeting shall be made on the LNC Business List and to the convention delegates, if possible.  At least fifteen minutes must elapse between the notification and the meeting.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos

LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

[Angela McArdle]

Financial goals check in - 10 mins

Convention Oversight Committee check in - 20 mins

CRM check in - 20 mins

Angela McArdle, Chair

Libertarian National Committee

[Secretary LNC]

There is one remaining CoC vacancy.  Not sure if we have recommendations to fill but would like to notice it

I would suggest anyone interested get in touch with me, Adrian, or the Chair.

And maybe spend less time on deranged Facebook fanfic.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos

LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

[Secretary LNC]

A potential policy manual change for CoC since there is a potentially interested LNC member.  Attached is current wording.  This gets tweaked many times each term.  I am going to move an amendment to minimum of 3 LNC members, leaving in the ex officio language and eliminate the rest leaving the total at 7.  Leaving the remaining 4 more open.

Exact language in a bit.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos

LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

[Paul Darr]

The Internet is going wild with speculation on this one. Is there an example from a past convention that would have been better handled using this rule that I could use as an example of what it would be used for? Would an emergency in this case indicate something time sensitive to the business or operations of the day?

Respectfully,

Paul Darr

LNC | Region 7 Alternate Representative

paul...@lp.org

[Secretary LNC]

It's ridiculous and I'll speak to it at the meeting.  I'm not engaging in the nonsense gossip pool. 

This rule should always have existed and ultimately protects member appeal rights to JC immediately at convention.

After the utter nonsense from an innocent question from a parliamentary student on grand decredenialling conspiracies, I'm not indulging it.

I'll speak at meeting.  People need to get out of FB shithole groups.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos

LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

[Angela McArdle]

I assumed it was legal. Either way, we'll hear it at the meeting.

Angela McArdle, Chair

Libertarian National Committee

[Secretary LNC]

Yes it's perfectfully legal. Some folks missed their calling as fiction writers avd forgot the biggest part of an evil sneaky secret plot.  The secret part.  If any LNC were truly that evil to pull something that could not ultimately end up getting overturned by JC or convention (nothing here is that unless convention tried to violate bylaws which I trust no one is doing) then no rule is needed.  Something that evil actors tend not to care about is rules.  They'd just do it.  Or they'd do it AT THE MEETING ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR THE DAY BEFORE and just adjourn to the next day!

My god people.  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos

LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

[Beth Vest]

When the delegates are assembled at convention, the LNC no longer represents them, as they may exercise their plenary power and represent themselves. The officers only remain to assure the legal structure of the organization itself.  The LNC representatives would have no need to meet outside of the business session to represent the delegates who may represent themselves during those sessions. The remaining officers would not represent a quorum, even if there was some dire emergency they felt they needed to meet about. With the status of the body of the LNC being subject to the body of delegates at convention, any LNC meeting outside of business hours would be usurping the power of the delegates outright. 

Madam secretary, can you articulate what might constitute an emergency during convention, and outside of convention business hours? Some discussion prior to the meeting would be helpful.  How does this protect member appeal rights to the judicial committee? How does calling a meeting of representatives who are no longer representing during a convention, after business hours, come to bear on immediate member appeals? 

Members may appeal to the delegates during convention, and failing that, they can take up their issue with the new LNC and judicial committee afterward. What reason would any delegate have to demand an immediate appeal to the judicial committee at convention, and how would the judicial committee have time to meet its own procedural requirements in the immediate sense? Full due process requires more time than the convention lasts, and nothing prevents a member from making an appeal afterward.

This is trying to give the appearance that you can create a special policy to allow the LNC to meet at all during convention, since they would just be able to do so without this policy, if such a request was legitimate. 

Let me ask that question here; what prevents them from doing so now, and why does an LNC meeting during convention even require this policy?

Sincerely,

[Secretary LNC]

I will speak at the meeting as is my right.  This is a notice thread not a debate thread. 

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos

LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

[Secretary LNC]

There is an additional sentence I am giving notice that I wish to add to my proposal as my intent is actually to also limit the scope of any such meetings.  "These meetings shall be considered special meetings."

Starting on page 7 is an article I suggest everyone read in order to understand how this is a limitation and desirable:  https://issuu.com/parliamentarians/docs/np_76_1

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos

LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

[Secretary LNC]

Reminder that last day for notice is 1/30.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos

LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

[Mark Tuniewicz]

Please add the following two financial transparency-oriented agenda items to our February  meeting, please.

1) CA Fundraiser details:  Presentation of results from black tie California fundraiser held in December (info from Chair & Staff as appropriate).  

Requesting that the following minimum information be shared:

Total cash costs, and breakdown of major items.  Approx amount of staff time involved in planning & executing.  Fundraising commissions paid if any.

Total paid and unpaid attendees and corresponding revenue.  Total revenue raised at the event.  Number of contributors.  HIgh, low, and average contribution per contributor

Please describe follow up efforts, if any, with new fundraising contacts made.

Please describe lessons learned/things we could do differently next time.

Please describe if any person or entity other than LP National (such as the LP of CA) received any financial or other benefits from this event.

Background:  There's been little to no information made available to the full LNC on this high end, black tie event held in the wealthy Bay area.  With our next fundraiser scheduled to be in FL in April, I wanted to make sure the Committee has full information about what went well, and what didn't.

2)  Detailed disclosure of Rage Against the Machine income & expenditures:  (Chair):  

Background:  Since the LNC authorized using our name as a co-sponsor of this event last year, there has been zero public disclosure of how the more than six figures raised to put it on were spent.  In the interest of full transparency to the membership and to protect the LNC, Inc's interests, please disclose the number of contributors, total contributions, and names/amounts for the top 10 contributors.  Please disclose the total expenses incurred (segregating pre and post-event), number of people/entities paid, and the top 20 by dollar amount.  Please note the amount of any remaining cash on hand, and any outstanding debt.  Lastly, please disclose any funds received by the Chair as part of this rally including any expense reimbursements, consulting, or other items.

With best wishes,

Mark Tuniewicz ("tune-YEV-ich")

Region 6 Representative

Libertarian National Committee, Inc.

[Meredith Hays]

Point of clarification: The fundraiser was held in Orange County, where our meeting was, not the Bay Area. 

Meredith Hays
Region 4 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
lp.org | meredi...@lp.org

[Secretary LNC]

We are quite loose in our custom of items for "business."  Technically a request for "discussion" isn't business but we do it all the time, including me.

But this isn't a request for discussion, it is a request for a report with very specific parameters which no single member can demand (I don't mean that word with a negative connotation, there is a parliamentary use of "demand" which means it is an automatic right of a member).  More specifically it is a motion to request a report in a specific form from the chair and staff.  You cannot just unilaterally demand a report in five days time, the notice is that you intend upon asking for a report presumably outside of the regularly scheduled officer and staff reports but I am not even sure this is proper notice for that since there is no time frame attached. 

I would suggest you talk to the Chair and ask for these to be included in the regular chair's report and staff report for our April meeting.  No one has a right via "notice" to demand that someone put together a presentation - it must be moved by the body.  It isn't as if staff and the chair just had wide open schedules - if I understand their planning, they work on multi-week sprints.  You certainly have a reasonable right to the information in possession of the LNC (some of what you asked seemed to be for an outside organization but I leave that up to the Chair) but cannot demand a full report be prepared in five days time and potentially only giving five days for staff to drop their plans for a Sunday evening.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos

LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

[Mark Tuniewicz]

Madame Secretary,

Please consider those two items as items for discussion then, given your comments.

I'll leave it to the chair to determine the extent to which she is able to provide the specifics.   I understand that some information may be immediately at hand and others may take a while in terms of follow-up.

Thank you.