Notice of LNC Meeting Thursday Sep 1st 8:30pm pacific and ExCom Mtg

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Angela McArdle

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Aug 27, 2022, 8:26:53 PM8/27/22
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Hello everyone,

First, my apologies at needing another online meeting so soon, with our previously noticed meeting still set for September 11th. Unfortunately, we have some urgent housekeeping to attend to:

I am calling this meeting to address two time sensitive issues with the Libertarian Party of New Mexico. As you are aware, LPNM leadership has alleged disaffiliation from the national party. A few members and two parliamentarians have indicated that they do not believe LPNM leadership has the authority to do so without taking a vote from the entire membership (presumably at convention), not just the executive committee or the central committee. We need to review the arguments from both sides and sort it out.

Here is a copy of the motion that is accompanying this agenda item:

Whereas, It is the membership of a potential affiliate that petitions for affiliation and the membership that retains the right to dissolve that affiliation absent an explicition delegation of that power;

Whereas, The last valid Constitution and Bylaws of the Libertarian Party of New Mexico limits the Central Committee to the management of the affairs of LPNM as provided for in this constitution, the New Mexico Election Code, and acts of the caucus membership assembled in convention;

Whereas, The last valid Constitution and Bylaws of the Libertarian Party of New Mexico does not provide for the Central Committee to have disaffiliation power;

Whereas, There has been no act of the caucus membership assembled in convention passing a resolution of disaffiliation;

Whereas, It is violative of the rights of the Libertarian Party of New Mexico membership for a handful of persons to dictate for all what affiliation they shall disavow absent a delegation of that authority to them; and

Whereas, The Central Committee of the Libertarian Party of New Mexico has a fiduciary duty to call a special convention of all fully paid members from the period of time of twelve (12) months prior and up to thirty (30) days prior to any special convention to consider the question of disaffiliation and the acceptance of the resignation of the current Central Committee and election of a new Central Committee along with any Constitution changes required to effectuate this process; now, therefore be it

Resolved, That the Libertarian Party National Committee does not recognize the attempted disaffiliation by the Central Committee of the Libertarian Party of New Mexico and directs the Executive Committee to pass appropriate motions providing support (including legal) to empower the New Mexico membership to assemble and decide the future of the affiliate for themselves, including disaffiliation, Constitution and Bylaws changes, and election of new leadership;

Resolved, That the Libertarian National Committee recognizes the autonomy of the affiliate membership to determine its fate and will abide by the legally made decisions of any special convention concerning the fate of the existing affiliate (retaining the right to re-affiliate if the current affiliate relationship is dissolved) made by the membership assembled in special convention; and

Resolved, That the Libertarian Party National Committee directs the Executive Committee to immediately take all necessary steps (including legal) to protect all  Party assets, including the Party name and current ballot access.

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Now, I recognize that some of you may not agree to this motion and I respect that. It's been noticed so we that we can deal with it via vote. The other thing we need to address (and that's also forcing this motion/vote) is a petition for affiliation.

2nd noticed motion for this meeting, if the above resolution fails:

Move to consider the petition for affiliation by Patty Malonwney and any others that may be received prior to the meeting. I have received a copy of her affiliation request and I'll forward that to everyone tonight as long as Ms. Malowney doesn't have any changes to her petition.

In the event that we, the LNC, do not recognize a new affiliate, we will need another motion, as follows:

Move to create a special budget line encumbering $10,000 for legal fees relating to the Libertarian Party of New Mexico affiliate in crisis situation.

Lastly if the above resolution fails and any current petitions for affiliation fail, 3rd noticed motion:

Resolved,  The Libertarian National Committee will not approve any petition for affiliation in which the petitioners cannot show that they made a good faith effort to have a mass meeting of all interested current Party members to make this request and elect a temporary board with reasonable notice and at a reasonable location.

(I'm open to workshopping this language, but i needed to get the noticed language out today.)

Now for the executive committee meeting:

The Executive Committee shall convene immediately after adjournment to take up motions to carry out the orders given by the LNC to potentially include:
  • Authorize entering into a legal action to protect the Party trademark assets, ballot access, and additional rights of the national party and/or its members in New Mexico
  • Retaining any appropriate counsel within budget if LNC counsel cannot reasonably work this matter into his schedule or he deems we need additional counsel
I know this is short notice and i apologize. Because we have an affiliation request already in, we need to address it within the next week. I am unavailable on Wednesday because I will be traveling and I am unavailable on Saturday because I'll be moving into my new home and having wifi access set up the same day. If this is too much to handle in a single evening, we will reconvene the meeting on Friday or Sunday.

Madam Secretary, please get a OneNote ready for us at your earliest convenience. If any other members from New Mexico are reading this and want to submit affiliation petitions or arguments, please send them in asap sp we can include them. Thank you all.
Angela McArdle, Chair
Libertarian National Committee

Bryan Elliott

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Aug 27, 2022, 8:39:17 PM8/27/22
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Assuming you mean 8:30 ET (not PT) I’m available 
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Bryan C. Elliott
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LNC Executive Committee

Martin Cowen

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Aug 27, 2022, 9:46:25 PM8/27/22
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Hello Everyone:

Might it be possible for the LNC attorney to be present in the meeting in order that we might ask him questions in executive session?

Thank you.

Martin

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Martin Cowen
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Angela McArdle

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Aug 27, 2022, 9:54:56 PM8/27/22
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Eastern time, yes.


Angela McArdle, Chair
Libertarian National Committee

Secretary LNC

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Aug 27, 2022, 11:52:33 PM8/27/22
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I’m awaiting a revised petition from Ms Malowney as the one presented did not confirm to the bylaws.  I also made her aware that there is a motion regarding the legitimacy of the claimed disaffiliation so she may decide to wait to see how that goes (she did not say that however so right now I’m expecting a revised petition).

I will get appropriate documents into a OneNote and set up the zoom link.
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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos
LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

Secretary LNC

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Aug 28, 2022, 12:25:37 AM8/28/22
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Here is the log-in information.  I am also going to test break-out rooms in case there is any need for executive session mid meeting so that we do not have to ask the public to leave.

You are invited to a Zoom meeting.
When: Sep 1, 2022 08:30 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

Register in advance for this meeting:
https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZAvcuyhqzgsHNYJ73bAbVGgxr3MerdtgJej

After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the meeting.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos
LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

Martin Cowen

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Aug 28, 2022, 12:21:40 PM8/28/22
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"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

Here is an idea for some good fruit:

The secret of our success will be value for our affiliates. As an GA affiliate member and a past candidate for public office myself, I have noticed an absence of National LP messaging in GA. We, the new LNC, can fix this country-wide and I am not talking about starting in GA, but NM.

There are, I count, 11 Libertarian candidates in NW who we, naturally and in general, support. If I recall correctly, our Chair expressly expressed the desire that our family squabble not hurt their chances. We can do more than "not hurt" their chances. We might actively help the Libertarian NM candidates.

Here's what the LNC might do. We can do an advertising buy in Santa Fe, NM, a non-coordinated ad buy, in other words, an ad buy without candidate participation (I do not know, but I think this is a thing). Of course, we will have to get LNC lawyer approval and NM election lawyer approval to make sure we comply with all NM state and federal laws. As we know, political speech is highly regulated.

Our Chair, if she is willing, could do a 30-60 TV spot promoting National LP and the NM Libertarian candidates. We could do a special fundraiser at LP National for the ad buy. (I pledge the first $100 to such an ad buy if we do the program.) We could determine an amount for the target buy based upon Santa Fe, NW advertising prices. We could, for example, buy 30 days of TV ads in prime time just before the NM election.

We should regard this project as a pilot project for a possible country-wide roll out of non-coordinated ads for other state candidates in future elections.

I think we should think about raising and spending $50,000 for this pilot project.

Now this would be a "good fruit."

Let's brainstorm positive solutions.

Thanks.

Martin 




 

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Secretary LNC

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Aug 28, 2022, 12:53:49 PM8/28/22
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After reading some comments and thinking on the merits, I don’t think the last resolution (which is contingent on the first two failing) is the best way to handle.  I’m the author so no shade on anyone for wording- it’s mine.   Rather what we need to do is adopt a special rule of order (which are suspendable).  As the notice window is closed for this meeting but not if we end up having to adjourn to Friday due to running out of time - I give notice that I will be moving a special rule of order (if the first two motions fail) either on Friday or via email.  The language will be posted this evening.


Before I give the language, I want to be clear that if it’s determined there is not a present NM affiliate (I firmly hold there is and what we are witnessing is a usurpation of the membership rights - I’ll save that debate for the meeting), I will not vote yes on ANY petition for affiliate that did not form via a mass meeting with open elections, open bylaws debate, and reasonable opportunity and notice for all interested members of the NM national and state party to have a voice considering the short window until November and needing to help our candidates.


If no group does this then I guess I’ll have to look at why and vote accordingly but I’m confident this can be done.  We may end up with competing petitions but I hope not.


To be clear this is all contingent on the LNC deciding there was a disaffiliation by a handful of people with no vote of the membership in a special convention.  I’m convinced there was not and that’s the position consistent with our prior votes on this matter.


If members in a valid convention wish to disaffiliate that is their choice but the operative Constitution of the LPNM does not grant that right to their board.


I’ll read any commentary here and will answer questions but I’m reserving debate for the meeting.


Wording on special rule of order later tonight.


Back to Douglas County road cleaning effort.

Mark Tuniewicz

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Aug 28, 2022, 2:21:41 PM8/28/22
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Folks,

As a reminder....our last similar situation with an affiliate deciding to disaffiliate from the National LP involved the state of Arizona, in 2000.  In that situation, there were two competing groups.  AIRC, one of those took a vote of their state central committee, and disaffiliated from National successfully.  

The argument that somehow a vote of the entire membership, or a convention, is needed in order to disaffiliate is without merit and contrary to this most recent historical precedent.  We elect leaders to do the business of the organization.  To represent the members.

As we approach yet ANOTHER situation where we are asked to intervene in another state party matter, I urge extreme restraint.  When does it stop?  

With best wishes,

Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Alternate 
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.

Secretary LNC

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Aug 28, 2022, 2:26:53 PM8/28/22
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Parliamentary-wise (unless their bylaws grant them that authority) that is dead wrong, and following decades old bad decisions that are in violation of parliamentary law is wrong and abusive of member rights.

Secretary LNC

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Aug 28, 2022, 3:12:09 PM8/28/22
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I had to do some research, and even if what Mr. Tuniewicz said above was correct historically, past LNCs have been wrong and we are not required to follow past mistakes particuarly when it is abusive to member rights.

But I went and refreshed my recollection on Arizona, and though I believe Mr. Tuniewicz fully believed he represented the situation correctly, it is not what the minutes reflect.  The minute reflect that the LNC disaffiliated the Arizona affiliate not the other way around - there may be some claim that they did so first in the minutiae of the history that is not reflected in the minutes, but the official record is that the LNC disaffiliated them.



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LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

Secretary LNC

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Aug 28, 2022, 8:46:17 PM8/28/22
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Attached is the language for the Special Rule of Order that I am giving notice for under the circumstances noted above.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos
LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

Policy Manual Affiliate proposal.docx

Secretary LNC

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Aug 29, 2022, 9:11:21 AM8/29/22
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Secretary LNC

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Aug 29, 2022, 10:50:17 AM8/29/22
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As I expect we will be in executive session in and out, I will have a breakout room set up and ready.

Mark Tuniewicz

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Aug 29, 2022, 12:35:49 PM8/29/22
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Mdm. Secy,

Thanks for sharing those minutes from 1999.  Brings back a lot of old memories!  The action I referenced (an affiliate disaffiliating from National) was in 2000, AIRC. I'll see what records I can find, and if any member of the reading public has info, they can send it to me at Mark.Tu...@lp.org .  The minutes you reference only document LNC actions.

Having said that, affiliate boards are elected to do the business that happens between conventions.  That includes the NM board and its recent actions.  In my view we have now moved from the parliamentary (guiding us through meetings) to the legal (guiding us through more structural/organizational/strategic legal matters).  Parliamentary "opinions" (it's not law) are just one data point in that universe of considerations, and I think it's important to bear that in mind as we move ahead.

With best wishes,

Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Alternate 
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.

Secretary LNC

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Aug 29, 2022, 12:43:36 PM8/29/22
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Their constitution and parliamentary  law limits their power.  The members limited it. We either respect the members or not.  It is outrageous that a handful of people can tell hundreds who paid the highest dues in the country that they all if a sudden are not part of what they joined without an express grant of authority.  Their constitution makes calling a special convention simple.  Yet they did not.  And you are mistaken as to the role of parliamentary law here.  It is what the members of NM chose.

I favor members.  This disaffiliation is abusive to member rights and invalid.  If the members wish to disaffiliate, let the board call a valid special convention and get that vote.  

That board has zero authority to take such action.  The members do and can.

The 2000 minutes only mention reaffiliation.  I checked.  

We disaffiliated AZ.  And for any affiliate that allegedly disaffiliated 

Secretary LNC

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Aug 29, 2022, 12:45:00 PM8/29/22
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Hit return too fast, one cannot judge any past disaffiliation without seeing the bylaws as the bylaws are what give it limit board power.

Mark Tuniewicz

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Aug 29, 2022, 1:00:42 PM8/29/22
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Mdm Secy,

Can you please describe your use of the proposed Special Rule of Order?  How is that different from a proposal to amend the policy manual, which it seems is the impact of the Rule?  

With best wishes,

Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Alternate 
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.

Secretary LNC

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Aug 29, 2022, 1:01:57 PM8/29/22
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It is a policy manual amendment, the policy manual contains our special rules of order and standing rules.  Many apologies if I was confusing on that point.

Mark Tuniewicz

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Aug 29, 2022, 1:06:41 PM8/29/22
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Mdm Secy,

Thank you.  and thanks for checking the old minutes relative to the "who disaffiliated who" question in AZ back in the day.....not always an easy recollection, 22 years ago.


With best wishes,

Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Alternate 
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.

Secretary LNC

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Aug 29, 2022, 1:10:42 PM8/29/22
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I totally get it.  I misremember things from 4 years ago.

Martin Cowen

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Aug 29, 2022, 1:48:25 PM8/29/22
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In order to save time at the 9-1-2022 meeting I want to say these things:

1. I don't agree that this matter is time sensitive or urgent at all. (I actually suspect that the LNC is being lured into a trap, a "pincer" movement, if you will.)

2. The LNC needs to enjoy our great success at convention and since then in membership, money, and messaging. We are doing a great job. Let's just keep doing it.

3. As a lawyer of 47 years, I can tell you with certainty that "going to law" is a loser move. In no way are we presented with circumstances that would justify any time or lawyer fees, much less years of time and hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawyer fees. (Don't even talk about filing a lawsuit.) Going to law is exactly the trap that we are being invited to enter.

4. The "It's a matter of principle" argument for going to law is the absolute worst.

5. We will keep affiliates by letting them do their jobs and ~providing great value for them~, to-wit: advertising, ballot access support, nationwide messaging, and money.

6. In my opinion, I think we should, literally, ignore the letter from the guy alleging that he represents NM. Who cares what he says? IGNORE HIM. Never say his name again. In my opinion, he's setting a trap for us. Don't jump in it.

7. I suggest that we table any public action at all and personally call every NM LP member and ask them if they are aware of the goings on and what they think about them. How many people can there be? Whatever the number, we can call them. Assuming that there are many members in NM who want LNC to get involved is a mistake, in my opinion. Ask them.

8. In a few months, after we call all the members, then let's meet again to discuss our findings.

8. Let's make no more public spectacle about this. We are doing now exactly what our opposition is hoping for. Please stop!

Martin

P.S. I repeat: We are doing now exactly what our opposition is hoping for. Please stop!




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Secretary LNC

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Aug 29, 2022, 2:34:06 PM8/29/22
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None of that is an option and fundamentally misunderstands the situation from every angle I can think of.  

And saying to ignore the duly elected Chair of an affiliate is ..... horrifying.  Whether or not I believe he has the authority to do what he has done here, they are the elected officers.  

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Martin Cowen

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Aug 29, 2022, 3:53:14 PM8/29/22
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"Horrifying" is a bit much. I prefer "clever," "astute," "brilliant," "insightful," "right on," "courageous," "Gosh, I love it, Martin." More like those.

If nothing else, the guy (at least for himself) told us to get lost. Let's do what he asked of us and get lost. We don't have to play his game. Ignore him. Shun him. It is easy to back off. Back off. I repeat, it's a trap and he's loving the attention we are giving him. Stop! If we stop feeding the fire, it WILL go OUT.

When your "ex" says, ``I never want to talk to you again." it's okay to obey. You can still talk to the kids, right. Let's call the membership, one by one, on the side, in private. Let's take the pulse of the NM LP.

Shunning is very effective.

Thanks, though, for the engagement!

Martin

Dustin Nanna

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Aug 29, 2022, 8:29:47 PM8/29/22
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Is this meeting really at 1130est? If so I doubt I can make it on a Thursday.

Dustin Nanna

Region 3 Representative, Libertarian National Committee

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Secretary LNC

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Aug 29, 2022, 8:32:05 PM8/29/22
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8:30 eastern 
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Secretary LNC

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Aug 29, 2022, 8:34:35 PM8/29/22
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Mr Nanna where do you see 11:30 eastern?  If there’s an error somewhere I want to correct forwith.  I checked the zoom and website notice and they all say 8:30 properly.

Bryan Elliott

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Aug 29, 2022, 8:35:42 PM8/29/22
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It was listed as such in the original email alerting us to the meeting 

Secretary LNC

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Aug 29, 2022, 8:42:46 PM8/29/22
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The email is in this thread and it says 8:30. ????

Secretary LNC

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Aug 29, 2022, 8:44:00 PM8/29/22
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Ahh I see.  Mdm Chair mistakenly said pacific time but corrected immediately.  Thank you - all the official links etc are correct.  Glad this is cleared up!!!

Angela McArdle

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Aug 30, 2022, 9:53:53 AM8/30/22
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It's definitely 8:30 eastern

Angela McArdle, Chair
Libertarian National Committee

Secretary LNC

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Aug 30, 2022, 10:24:07 PM8/30/22
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FYI I do not think we are going to be able to adequately consider the first motion fully in open session.  Obviously the LNC will be the final decider on this, but I want to give a heads up that I plan on discussing the parliamentary issues in open session but will be moving to go into executive session to discuss the legal issues.

I expect we may go into several executive sessions and will have a breakout room set up so members can stay in the main room.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos
LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

Secretary LNC

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Aug 31, 2022, 9:13:15 AM8/31/22
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Reminder to everyone, this is the One Note link for the meeting, I have one other item (at least) to add later:


But I put in text briefly explaining Committee of the Whole as that is a potentially planned parliamentary motion for this meeting, and you may wish to become familiar ahead of time.

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LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

Secretary LNC

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Sep 1, 2022, 12:44:35 AM9/1/22
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I will be putting Mr. Elliott's note into the One Note.  I will also be adding these two documents. The first is my parliamentary notes regarding why the alleged disaffiliation is invalid pursuant the affiliate's own rules and a statute that would be recourse for members or potentially the LNC to have a convention called in NM for the MEMBERS to make this decision as the MEMBERS have every right to disaffiliate; the second is a NM statute which empowers the courts to order a corporation board to carry out a fiduciary duty.  The officers of LPNM, if they wish for disaffiliation to be considered, have a fiduciary duty to call a special convention and such can be petitioned to be ordered in NM.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos
LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

New Mexico Statutes Section 44-2-4 (2021) - [Purpose of writ; judicial discretion not controlled.] :: 2021 New Mexico Statutes :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia.pdf
20220901 Note.pdf

Secretary LNC

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Sep 1, 2022, 9:30:52 AM9/1/22
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Don't forget to register.  I am going to try to get home from work as soon as possible and open zoom so that it will run whatever annoying updates it inevitably has before go time.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos
LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

Secretary LNC

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Sep 1, 2022, 10:43:18 AM9/1/22
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I will not be able to load these into One Note until just prior to the meeting but attached please find the following:

1.  A synopsis of our trademark filing (word of advice, there are a lot of social media "lawyers" - we have an actual trademark attorney we can use)
2.  A sample of the petition for affiliation form that would have been signed by the LPNM (the one attached is for Maine but this is the form used during this time period)
3.  A  copy of LP News showing LPNM was affiliated November 10972 (i.e. it did not predate the national party as a party with the name Libertarian Party) and also in the same section a motion by the LNC requiring a convention before affiliating any group - which motion has never been rescinded to my knowledge.  You can find this information in the very end of the issue under "Ex Comm Meets."

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos
LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS).pdf
Maine-Affiliation-Petition.pdf
LPNews_1972-11_N11.pdf

Donavan Pantke

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Sep 1, 2022, 7:00:44 PM9/1/22
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I will not be able to attend during the first part of this meeting, but should come in as soon as my conflicting event has concluded. This is what I would like my colleagues to consider as the deliberations begin:

First, in communication with several of Region 7 state chairs, one common thread among all of them was:



The LNC should practice restraint.


I have long held that our actions regarding LPNM have been escalations: escalations to a group of people that are extremely bitter with the results of the National Convention. The Chair and at least a substantial number of LPNM’s Central Committee are displaying an inevitable reaction of people defeated in an extremely bitter political battle; and not just defeated, but crushed. So, how should the victors proceed?

LPNM clearly amended their bylaws to allow their Central Committee to disaffiliate with the LNC, a clear signal that they did not think that they had that authority prior to the Constitutional Convention. The LNC has already declared this convention invalid, a clear escalation of the conflict even if it was a correct interpretation. It has not led to capitulation by the LPNM Central Committee nor any indication that they wish to come to an amicable resolution, instead declaring their disaffiliation.

The LNC is not a judicial body: it is a political one. When members come to us for relief, they are asking us to use our political authority to move the needle one way or the other, even if our justification for action relies on legal or parliamentary grounds. Our decision to declare their convention invalid is no more binding on them than any declaration that their disaffiliation was invalid is binding. If we continue to escalate, what is next? Our next course of action will almost certainly be a use of actual political force in some manner: to call a convention on behalf of the members and eject the leadership, sue in court to wrest control of assets, or some other similar action; that or to disaffiliate, which simply leads to the same result as their declaration of disaffiliation, solving precious few of the issues of the control of the assets, and ballot access among others. None of these actions will be restorative: they will, quite to the contrary, be destructive, no matter the rationale.

I cannot help to feel that further escalation of this matter will lead us not to disaffiliate and deal with the repercussions, but will lead to more slow, deliberate interventions which eerily mirrors the slow, incremental utter dismantling of the 10th Amendment of the US Constitution. The primary moral justification of this action is that we have to defend the National members that many on the board were elected to represent. We cannot simply use “member’s rights” as a pretext to treat an affiliate in any way we want, even if we consider the actions of that affiliate to be utterly immoral and against their own bylaws.

I think it’s time for the LNC to show all of its members virtuous qualities that have been dormant thus far: virtues such as patience, understanding, empathy, and grace to members who are bitter about the “Reno reset”. To take a step back, let tempers subside, allow for discussion, deescalate, and to maybe consider alternative courses of action.

I have been given many long hours of thought ( many when I would have rather been sleeping ) to consider mechanisms perhaps not to solve LPNM’s issues directly, but to perhaps prevent more NM’s, OR’s, or similar in the future. We must give members and leadership at all levels time to weigh and consider these matters carefully and not act rashly.

Donavan Pantke
Region 7 Alternate

Secretary LNC

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Sep 1, 2022, 7:05:42 PM9/1/22
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Mr. Pantke, I ask that you be careful in your characterizations of one proposed set of actions as virtuous which implies that those who may have come to a different conclusion as un-virtuous.  I see the merits and virtues of all sides here, but let's be careful on what we are implying about those that disagree in good faith.  Lack of virtue only belongs in discussions in which there is a belief of bad faith.  I certainly do not see anyone here on this board as acting in bad faith.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos
LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

Secretary LNC

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Sep 1, 2022, 8:16:17 PM9/1/22
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Mr. Kraus provided me this document as well.  All of the additional documents are now in the One Note


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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos
LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

LNC-LPNM-Affiliate.pdf

Angela McArdle

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Sep 1, 2022, 8:20:39 PM9/1/22
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Thank you!

Angela McArdle, Chair
Libertarian National Committee

Mark Tuniewicz

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Sep 2, 2022, 2:27:37 PM9/2/22
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Mdm. Secy,

The document from Mr. Kraus is undated.  What is the date of this correspondence?  Also, I don't recognize that named person as chair of the LPNM.  A competing group to the one which disaffiliated from national?  

With best wishes,

Mark Tuniewicz
Region 6 Alternate 
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.

Secretary LNC

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Sep 2, 2022, 2:32:15 PM9/2/22
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None of the FEC letters Mr. Kraus provided me (this isn't the only one, I have the ones for every state) are not dated, but I cannot answer why.  Mike Blessing is a former Chair and LPNM member who has been to many of our meetings.  This helps dates it and it certainly is before my time I believe.

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LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

Secretary LNC

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Sep 6, 2022, 1:07:36 AM9/6/22
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Mr. Kraus told me the NM FEC document was filed in June 2013.

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In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos
LNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250

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