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We have all seen meetings run well by some Chairmen and poorly by others, though the rules were the same for both. How about an informal guide from the collective wisdom of this group to help any Chair to know where to stand firm and press the meeting forward and where they might be more flexible. It can start short and be added to over the years.
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How we order things to the delegates is based on many factors, but that will be a decision of the committee when we get to that point, absolutely.
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As a functional matter, on the committee we broke things down by article, when possible, and that seemed to work pretty well.
I apologize for the length of this, but I like to try to stir thoughts and ideas and see what others think.
So, on my wish-list (with some obviously more controversial than others):
* Clarify ascension/non-ascension of VC to Chair in case of vacancy. Two words: "including chair" or "excluding chair" - I don't care which way this goes, just pick one.
* Tweak to open meetings/records items to explicitly permit keeping APRC
* Dumping approval voting for all multi-winner races. Use cumulative voting instead. Remove majority requirement; top X win. (Save a bunch of convention time)
* Changing officer elections to Ranked Choice Voting instead of multi-round runoff. (Save a bunch of convention time)
* Elect Bylaws and Platform Committees at convention (they report to convention body, why does LNC appoint them?)
* Allow other business to continue while election votes are tallied (can we consider some platform planks while we tally? yes, we can!)
* Anyone who ran for a higher office only gets 1 minute on stage for any other office they seek. (stop hogging the stage!)
* Fix all the definitions of membership. (This is horribly confusing today, as a result of the temporary period where we had no dues.)
* Fix "voting delegate" issues (delegate vs alternate, who can be on the floor and affect voice votes, codify check-out process)
* Require national membership to be a national party delegate
* Timely submission of platform and bylaw committee reports, and timely submission of "floor" amendments. (If committees are done and reports are published 60 days out, then amendments from outside the committee should be submitted 30 days out. Maybe require co-sponsorship by 20% of the voting aka checked-in delegates before opening gavel of any "floor" amendments. Then all delegates have the option to read all proposals ahead of time. Allow true floor amendments with suspension of the rules. Should save a bunch of time.)
* Loosen existing "electronic" voting requirements to allow more than Scantron, add checks-and-balances to increase delegate confidence.
* Dues tied to inflation (We chose $5 in July 1971 as the index in LPKY, because leaving the gold standard triggered the creation of the LP)
* Reduce number of delegates to National overall to approximately 950 (opens more options for venues) by reducing number allocated by presidential results.
* Add 1 day to conventions starting in 2026.
* Starting in 2026, replace LNC with State Chairs acting as a Central Committee (LNCC), who can hire/fire the Executive Committee (LNEC) at will, approve the annual budget, and can veto any action of the EC. (Decentralize the LNC while reducing daily bureaucracy, make state affiliates the focus, open future door for professional - aka paid - chair, vc, secretary, and treasurer. Reduces need to have conventions to POTUS years.)
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There seem to be constant calls for bylaws regarding the suspension, banning, expulsion, or whatever you might call it of both officers and delegates/members. This is an issue that seems to come up fairly often.
There seem to be enough LP members who deeply desire to toss out other members/officers/delegates that perhaps some bylaws should address this. (Correctl me if I'm wrong, but I believe there are almost no bylaws relating to this.)
In my opinion, (1) the threshhold should be incredibly high to bring such an effort, and (2) even higher for actual removal/purge/expulsion of anyone. And there should be extensive due process. And such proceedings, if any, should always be at the end of convention, meeting, etc. (meaning, in practice, such proceedings would almost never occur.)
--Roger Roots, alternate
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Caryn Ann,
I thought this was a forum for ideas and not debate. Yet, I see you shooting down multiple ideas that are presented. Why is that?
I see this committee’s role as being one to improve the functioning and processes of meetings. Yes, we follow RONR and we can spend endless hours refining rules. But let’s not lose sight of the fact that the rules must be understood and implemented by people. Perhaps we can find ways to help people better employ the rules that already exist. You shared with me at the recent Virginia convention that some Convention Chairs do better than others. My proposal is an effort to follow up on your thought.
For instance, I see that our bylaws are loaded with time limitations for various topics. Yet, when do Chairs stick to those limits? Are we creating rules for the sake of simply having a rule? That’s a petty and bureaucratic exercise. How can we infuse a stronger spine in our Chairs to stick with the rules? I don’t know but my suggestion proposes a set of ‘expectations’ for chairs to have at the podium. It might seem stupid, kind of like the kids telling the parents, “Please be firm with us because we need boundaries.” But it strikes me that there is a lot of experience and wisdom to be drawn upon in this group that does not need to wait for permission.
Don’t any rules, tools or good ideas produced by this committee receive oversight higher levels anyway? I get it that time is short and only a limited amount of work can actually be accomplished. However, please be judicious in how you apply leverage during a ‘brainstorming’ endeavor. It can be easy to use one’s authority to chill creativity.
In Liberty and Respectfully.
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Here's a later version of something I crafted in the last term for JC stuff.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_IEcVG2BxCxmf2x6JW515pmmhV9c-PCm/edit
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Sure, and they've covered the VP nomination before, where we would use RCV. Just the POTUS race would be multi-round run-off. If anything, the contrast of methods might show people just how efficient RCV actually is.
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If we want to consider changing the structure of the LNC, here's a proposal I wrote that would create a Central Committee structure that would appoint an Executive Committee. There's been a push-pull in the party for some time over the size of the LNC, and I believe this would actually resolve the issues brought by both sides of that debate. It decentralizes the party itself, adding more regions, while making the executive portion smaller and therefore more nimble. This was a compromise from just making the chairs of each affiliate a member of the LNC who then appoint the Executive Committee. I like that better, but the large states objected to that. So here was the compromise, which died in committee last term.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1STpHDhs7l0iNmAPYENO1Ewb4kFj-_G04/edit
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It has been talked about for as long as I've been in the party; that the LNC as structured is not very functional. It's too big for a small committee and too small for a big committee.
With the changeover in leadership and membership, generally, it may no longer be a concern; which is why I didn't take the time to transfer from the format used in the previous term to the format being used this term. It is put here to see if anyone else on the committee wants to consider this, or not. If it were to be considered, it would be moved into the format this committee is using, along with necessary changes (in effective dates from 2024 to 2026) to the proposal, and likely get a few other tweaks as well.
We're proposing to switch to this sort of model in KY at this upcoming convention, with the county chairs becoming the central committee choosing the state officers. The general consensus from those who support the measure in KY is that we should decentralize and put the focus on counties. The general opposition is "but democracy!"
So it's whatever, but I just put it in this thread to see if anyone wants to consider it before I take any time to re-format it. Different committee, different thoughts.
Here's another proposal I had made, from the previous committee, regarding the Judicial Committee. It creates a standard process and cuts down on rendundant language. The 2nd part (proposal #2 at the bottom) was part of the original proposal but the committee wanted me to divide off that portion, so that's how it's written up. There may have been other tweaks they had me make as well, but I don't remember anymore. I support standardizing the JC procedure, and actually having a codified trial. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_IEcVG2BxCxmf2x6JW515pmmhV9c-PCm/edit
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Most of my proposals are meant to spark ideas. Some are more radical than others. :)
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I would like to do some research on the delegate allocation formula history and perhaps talk with Ms. Mattson on that and some Party old-timers. You bring up a valid concern.Yes, I agree dues need to be increased. This was on the docket in the proposals that were not heard in 2022.You know I dislike the regional system but there also needs to be a way to have fair representation. If the regional system were proposed to be done away with, it would need to take effect at the following convention because people spend time and resources campaigning for those positions and it would not be fair to yank it out from under them IMHO. Another thing I am toying with is having the conversion to at-larges with a different voting method that ensured proportional representation so that voting blocs could band together to get representation. IF we had electronic voting we could have STV, but there is no way we are hand-calculating THAT, but cumulative voting would work. Absent even proposal to eliminate regions, I would like to see the present at-large elected with proportional representation. This way minority voices could plan to at least have a seat or two even if outnumbered at convention.
___________________________________________________In Liberty, Caryn Ann HarlosLNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250
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Perhaps 2024 will not be the year for these proposals as they could all cause significant controversy but I'd like to get the rest of the committee's thoughts on the following:
- Approximately 30% of our national convention delegates are allocated by way of percentage of votes for the presidential candidate. In recent years this has not created any sort of misalignment between state parties as the LP presidential campaign has achieved 50 + 1 ballot access. However, it's never sat well with me that we are basing part of the delegate allocation of each state party on presidential vote totals, which would certainly be negatively impacted if that state party were to not achieve ballot access due to either current or future onerous ballot access laws foisted upon them by their state government. I'd like to get the rest of the committee's thoughts on re-configuring delegate allocation such that all delegates are allocated based upon sustaining membership numbers only, with the percentage of sustaining membership per delegate adjusted to maintain a near-equivalent (1,045-1,055) number of national delegates. Based on my calculations if the presidential delegate allocation was struck then the sustaining membership delegate allocation percentage would need to be adjusted from 0.14% to somewhere between 0.097% and 0.0972% to maintain a near-equivalent total delegate allocation. I'd also wish to insert language to ensure that no affiliate is allocated less than 3 delegates.
- I'd like to see the committee put forward some form of dues increase proposal. As far as I can tell from the historical bylaws that I've been able to find, the sustaining dues have been set at $25 per year since at least 2006. Perhaps the delegates will not wish to increase dues, but given the significant inflation since 2006 I think we should at least consider it.
- Perhaps the most controversial idea is a re-structure the LNC, specifically removing the regional system and increasing the number of at large representatives from 5 to 14. I would be very open to packaging this with some kind of alternative voting method for the at large election, but I'm not personally knowledgeable enough about all the different kind of voting methods that we could use so I'd want to lean on either other members of the committee who have that knowledge or experts among the party membership for suggestions on which method would be the best.
I fully understand if the committee would rather not touch these topics given the controversy (or controversies) that are highly likely to result so I will not take offense if some or all of these suggestions are not brought forward.Paul BraccoVice Chair - Libertarian Party of Virginia
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Things are very broke.
___________________________________________________In Liberty, Caryn Ann HarlosLNC Secretary and LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair ~ 561.523.2250
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More than one second sounds good to me. Custom, needs to be challengedif you want to get rid of it. It takes a Majority Vote. If ain't broke, don't needfixin. See 2;19.My initial thoughts. Could be wrong. Great believer in not making Bylawslonger than absolutely necessary.
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Mr. Latham,It might be worth looking at the bylaws of state affiliates as some might already require national sustaining membership in order to qualify as a delegate to the national convention. I know Virginia requires this, even though sustaining membership is not required to participate in the state party in all other capacities.
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Madam Chair,
Is there a charter or some other guiding document for this committee? This is the second time (perhaps more?) you’ve indicated we are outside our remit. Could you please share that guidance with us so we can keep ourselves ‘within bounds’? Thanks.
Dean Rodgers
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My issue with this is philosophical as to the nature of this çommittee. This is a radical radical change that we NOWHERE were given a mandate to do, and I would hazard a guess that the appointing committee would like would have found such
a thing disqualifying if it had been on the original application as a plan. We are not here to make changes for the sake of making changes. We are here to fine tune - in response to a mixture of best practices and problems that cropped up over the years.
We need to reflect the grass roots and tradition and custom and needs of the Party. Not just come up with things out of left field and be solutions in search of problems.
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