Guidance requested regarding PIV development by foreign nationals

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John Stewart

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Feb 7, 2020, 9:35:54 AM2/7/20
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Hello,

I am looking for guidance regarding the use of foreign nationals for the development of PIV related solutions.  I'm not finding any specific guidance in this regard as I search online (lots about foreign nationals getting a PIV credential).

Our solution utilizes the content of the PIV card after authentication (by another solution not authored by us).  For example we use the PIV card in a laptop to authenticate against AD but we are not involved in any of the authentication process.

Are there known restrictions about potentially adding a foreign national to my development team which has access to the NIST sample PIV cards?

Thank you for any guidance.

John Stewart
Pharos Systems (www.pharos.com)

Douglas E Engert

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Feb 10, 2020, 8:59:18 AM2/10/20
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Although this may not answer your question, are you using the test/sample cards
with a production or test AD accessible from the internet?

Each set of cards are duplicates including duplicate PINs, certs, keys and objects.
Thus anyone, foreign national or not, with a set of the cards could try and access
any of your servers willing to accept the card.
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Jeffrey Walton

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Feb 10, 2020, 10:25:11 AM2/10/20
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This is not may area of expertise. I think someone with a background
in HR and Federal would probably be in a better position to answer.
Maybe even a company's Security Officer. You might try
https://workplace.stackexchange.com/ .

NIST sells the test cards to the general public. If there were
restrictions, then NIST would enforce it at the point of sale.

Foreign nationals cannot obtain a security clearance. If the project
has security requirements - and the employee is not cleared - then
they probably should not be working on the project. Confer,
https://www.clearancejobs.com/security-clearance-faqs.

I think what you will find in practice is, NIST usually covers US
Federal agencies like Social Security Administration and there are no
security requirements or simply a Public Trust. Companies doing
business with US DoD have security requirements and require employees
with clearances.

Jeff

Stanley Global LLC

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Feb 11, 2020, 8:29:25 AM2/11/20
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Of possible relevance, I formerly worked as DOD CIV and my Korean and Japanese foreign national IT Level II counterparts lost their clearances to work in a similar environment. There wasn't a mechanism to perform equivalent background checks.
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