9.6.0-beta5 available

[Eric Iverson]

j9.6.0-beta5 available

Release notes: https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/System/ReleaseNotes/J9.6

To upgrade the JE from previous beta install:
   load'pacman'

   'upgrade'jpkg'jengine'

Use pacman to install the base library and update all addons to be sure everything is at the same level and then restart.

To install from scratch:
https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/System/Installation/J9.6

[Michael Day]

I've just tried this update,  which appeared to proceed correctly,  but on reloading J
I get :

|read-only data: boot

| coclass =:18!:4@boxxopen

|[-428] C:\d\j9.6\system\main\stdlib.ijs

Press ENTER to inspect

|value error: boxdraw_j_

| 0 0$ boxdraw_j_ 0

Attempting to reveal the version details yields:

   JVERSION
|value error: JVERSION

Trying to load a recent script:

load 'c:/users/mike_/j9.6-user/aoc2323.ijs'

|value error: load

| load'c:/users/mike_/j9.6-user/aoc2323.ijs'

Trying to list any monads

names 3

|value error: wcsize

| w=.{. wcsize''

Press ENTER to inspect

... or nouns

names 0

|value error: wcsize

| w=.{. wcsize''

Press ENTER to inspect

|value error

| 'Use y___1 to look inside top stack frame; see code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Debug/Stack#irefs'[ dbg_z_ 513

*list_z_[0]

I thought I might already have done this update,   but expected the process

to detect if it was already at beta level 5 and bail out. 

I don't know where to go from here, apart from to revert to J9.5,  and reinstall J9.6 from scratch.

Thanks,

Mike

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[Raul Miller]

Hmm...

I tried the upgrade myself.

I was able to get the 9.6 beta to work by commenting out the offending
line (and one other line) in stdlib.ijs:

NB. coclass=: 18!:4 @ boxxopen
cocreate=: 18!:3
NB. cocurrent=: 18!:4 @ boxxopen

This brings up a few warnings, but I think this change is going to
need more thought and work.

Maybe it's also something of a teaching moment about the value of
stable interfaces?

--
Raul

[Don Guinn]

I got the same failure in Windows 11.

[Henry Rich]

boot.ijs, stdlib.ijs, and all addons should be updated /before/ the J engine is updated. The script changes are backward compatible but the new engine needs them. 

I apologize for not making this clear. 

Henry Rich 

[Raul Miller]

I did
install'all'

before upgrading the jengine. I was still hit with this problem.

I did another install'all' after upgrading and it reverted this aspect
of stdlib.ijs and I had to comment out those two lines again.

What happens when you do an install'all'?

What procedure should I have used instead?

Thanks,

--
Raul

[Michael Day]

Thanks,  again, to Raul for his tips.

This message relates to J9.6 beta 5 under Windows 11 on this HP Envy
Laptop.

So J9.6 beta 5 is now loading,  albeit with the 4 (009) messages about
calls to 18!:4 which I
haven't yet traced.   I find coclass and cocurrent are both defined,
despite following Raul's
advice to comment  out their definitions in stdlib.ijs .

BUT - JHS now fails.  I don't use it much,  just using it to support
some data swapping between
J on this laptop and on the iPad using ~addons/ide/jhs/jjserver.ijs .
I've just checked - JHS is still fine under J9.5,  but under the latest
9.6 beta I get variations on:

<<
This site can’t be reached127.0.0.1 refused to connect.
Try:

Checking the connection
Checking the proxy and the firewall
ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
>>

(this is in Avast Secure Browser - similar behaviour with M/S Edge and
Google Chrome.)

It might be significant that under J9.5,  the console/terminal window
stays during the JHS
session;  under J9.6 beta 5 it soon disappears,  too quickly for me to
catch it;  I thought I
saw another (009) error message about 18!:4,  and other errors might
have been reported,
but I could be mistaken.

Thanks,

Mike

On 04/05/2024 22:10, Michael Day wrote:
> Thanks, Raul,  that did the trick,  though I'm not too sure what you
> mean by the remark about
> stable interfaces.
>
> Anyway,  the error messages reminded me of Henry's post about the
> removal of 18!:4 .
>
> I'm now getting 3 x (009) 18!:4 messages,  on Qt load,  before
> JVERSION (called by
> my startup.ijs),  and 1 more after the JVERSION print.  I don't THINK
> my startup.ijs
> gives rise to these warnings,  so don't know what gives rise to
> them.   I don't see how
> to use 9!:55 for these 4 instances.
>
> I'm pretty clueless about locales,  so avoid using them,  with the
> co... verbs.  I never
> use 18!:4 .
>
> Thanks again,  cheers,
>
> Mike

[Eric Iverson]

beta5 vs JHS

I will take a look, but probably not until tomorrow.

You could try capturing that output before the screen disappears with:

$ j9.6/bin/jconsole  ~addons/ide/jhs/config/jhs.cfg >> log.txt 2>&1

The above is from linux and may need adjustment to run for you. The output that flies by will be in the file log.txt.

[Michael Day]

Thanks,  Eric

Yes, I managed to capture the session with that command line,  minus the $,  in a
Windows Power Shell console.  It turns out to be rather unhelpful,  after all:

<<
(009) 18!:4 has been removed, use cocurrent/coclass
(009) 18!:4 has been removed, use cocurrent/coclass
(009) 18!:4 has been removed, use cocurrent/coclass
startup: have started startup.ijs
startup: have set affinity
+-------+--------------------+
|time ''|2024 5 6 20 54 8.678|
+-------+--------------------+
JVERSION
Engine: j9.6.0-beta6/j64avx2/windows
Build: commercial/2024-05-03T02:44:26/clang-16-0-6/SLEEF=1
Library: 9.6.5
Platform: Win 64
Installer: j9.6 install
InstallPath: c:/d/j9.6
Contact: www.jsoftware.com
startup: have loaded comb.ijs
startup: have defined cperm
Startup.ijs finished
JHS - J HTTP Server

if you don't see a new jijx tab in your browser,
 manually browse to: http://127.0.0.1:65001/jijx

best practice:
 close server with shortcut Esc-q (Escape then q) in the jijx page

Ctrl+c here signals an interrupt to J.
>>

The various "startup" messages are from my config/startup.ijs
routine .

No rush!

Mike

[Eric Iverson]

I understand and can reproduce the problem. A mismatch between 9.6 JE, base library, and JHS. I will let you know when we have a fix.

[Mike Day]

That's quick.  

No great problem for me, but some might need the repair,  so good news!

Thanks,

Mike

Sent from my iPad

On 6 May 2024, at 22:01, Eric Iverson <eric.b....@gmail.com> wrote:



[Eric Iverson]

If you upgrade your  9.6 JE to be beta7, then I think JHS will start properly. Let me know if this works.

[Michael Day]

Thanks - it looks as if I've inadvertently updated to beta 6,  although I'd thought I was
catching up late with your announcement of beta 5,  on 11 April. 

J9.6 Release Notes name(s) beta 5 as current and 6 as unreleased;  but will an update
now lead to beta 7?

Bedtime for me in Blighty,  so I'll try ß7 when I can,  if it appears to be available.

Cheers,

Mike