RE: Agenda and meeting information for Nov 21-22 meeting in Redmond, WA, USA
Herb Sutter
I just realized the announcement below doesn’t seem to have made it through to the list… resending…
From: Herb Sutter [mailto:herb....@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:45 AM
To: grap...@isocpp.org
Subject: Agenda and meeting information for Nov 21-22 meeting in Redmond, WA, USA
As noted earlier below, we will be having a (relatively informal) meeting of whoever can attend on November 21-22 in Redmond, WA, USA to see if we can make a little between-WG21-meetings progress on various topics, taking advantage of the fact that several participants on this list will already be in town.
Here is the information and proposed agenda. Please let me know if you have additional agenda topic suggestions.
NOTE: PLEASE EMAIL ME if you “might attend” or “plan to attend” either in person or via telecon and have not yet informed me. Especially the in-person headcount will ensure we have sufficient break coffee/snacks at the meeting room. Thanks.
Herb
Date: 2013-11-21 and 22 (second day is on an as-needed basis)
Time: 9:00am to 5:00pm, U.S. Pacific Standard Time
Location: Room 2525, Building 18, Microsoft campus, Redmond, WA, USA (map)
Teleconference information:
Join by phone
+14257063500 (USA - Redmond Campus) English (United States)
+18883203585 (USA - Redmond Campus) English (United States)
Conference ID: 242190984
Agenda (copying some boilerplate from SD-3 – the meat is in section 2):
1. Opening and introductions
1.1 Roll call of participants
1.2 Adopt agenda
2. Business
2.1 Present/discuss possible bases for API shape: libraries (e.g., Cocos) and specs (e.g., <canvas>)
2.2 Present/discuss Michael McLaughlin’s prototype
2.3 Work on proposals
3. Any other business
4. Review
4.1 Review action items
5. Closing process
5.1 Future meetings
5.2 Adjourn
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Herb Sutter [mailto:herb....@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:56 PM
> To: grap...@isocpp.org
> Subject: Nov 21-22 meeting in Redmond, WA, USA
>
> Update:
>
> I am finalizing arrangements for a face-to-face SG13 meeting on Nov 21-22 on
> the Microsoft campus in Redmond, WA, USA, for those who are able to
> attend.
> Telecon facilities might also be available, if so likely by Lync meeting.
> I'll post location/hotel details and an agenda soon, but it will include working
> to define scope and which existing art to serve as candidate(s) for a basis.
> (See also the other thread I just started on the latter topic.)
>
> In the meantime, ACTION ITEM: Please send me private mail if you:
>
> - "might attend" or "plan to attend" in person in Redmond, WA, USA
>
> - "might attend" or "plan to attend" via teleconference/Lync
>
> on Nov 21-22. I would like to get an approximate headcount to make sure the
> room and coffee/snacks are adequate for face-to-face attendees, and that
> telecon facilities are adequate for online attendees.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Herb
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Herb Sutter [mailto:herb....@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:46 AM
> > To: grap...@isocpp.org
> > Subject: Nov meeting and "2D Lite" scope
> >
> > (updating subject)
> >
> > November meeting: The Seattle-area face-to-face meeting date is not
> > yet set in stone yet but will very likely be on Nov 21-22. I hope to
> > nail that
> down
> > in the coming two weeks. We will try to include telecon access for
> > those
> who
> > cannot attend in person.
> >
> > Scope and goals: Note that the statement of goals was refined a bit at
> > Saturday's meeting -- it's still basically the same direction as
> originally posted
> > but with some refinements such as excluding things like buttons and
> similar
> > UI elements. The consensus of the group so far is to stick with a "lite"
> > bounded portable subset for the first version.
> >
> > We could name the first targeted TS as "2D Lite" (note emphasis on "lite"
> --
> > this is not intended to compete with a full-fledged professional
> > graphics
> > library):
> >
> > (a) immediate mode graphics/text canvas, plus
> >
> > (b) basic keyboard/mouse style input.
> >
> > That's a pretty portable subset that's already widely supported by
> > many C and C++ libraries.
> >
> > We want to be example-driven, and so far people have proposed three
> > specific examples we'd like to see a proposal demonstrate can be
> > written easily and clearly (more examples are welcome):
> >
> > 1. The "Hello world" challenge: Drawing the text "hello world" and
> dragging it
> > around the canvas. The code should be only slightly longer than a
> > console "hello world" program.
> >
> > 2. The "sort visualizer" challenge: Visualizing a sort algorithm by
> drawing a bar
> > with length proportional to each element at each stage. This ought to
> > take
> > <20 lines of code (not counting the sort algorithms themselves).
> >
> > 3. The "four-hour" challenge: Some who has never seen the library
> > should
> be
> > able to build something interesting from scratch in four hours or less.
> (We
> > have multiple existence proofs including Cinder, OFX, and SFML; see
> > these two 10-minute videos: http://tinyurl.com/m5kd7h4 and
> > http://tinyurl.com/k8eg35m .)
> >
> > Herb
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Thiago Macieira [mailto:thi...@macieira.org]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 8:49 AM
> > > To: grap...@isocpp.org
> > > Subject: Re: [graphics] Graphics experts in our midst?
> > >
> > > On segunda-feira, 30 de setembro de 2013 18:13:00, Ville Voutilainen
> > wrote:
> > > > On 29 September 2013 23:37, Herb Sutter <hsu...@microsoft.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Yes, the people currently on the list are predominantly that I
> > > > > think,
> > > > >
> > > > > from Cinder, OFX, Nvidia, etc. -- first thing we did is reach
> > > > > out to
> them.
> > > >
> > > > I have colleagues who have worked on OpenGL(ES) and OpenVG
> > > > implementations and graphics drivers. My employer (Symbio) is a
> > > > Khronos member.
> > >
> > > Thanks Ville. Are those colleagues subscribed to this list?
> > >
> > > The only reason I ask is that I did consult with three graphical
> > > experts (one current and two former contributors to Qt; those two
> > > have or are right now working on GPU architectures) and they
> > > expressed qualms about the stated goals of this group. I'm trying to
> > > get them to join and express clearly what their issues are, maybe
> > > even join the November meeting. It might just be a misunderstanding,
> though.
> > >
> > > PS: if the November meeting is Nov 9-10 or the days after, I might
> > > be able to convince some of the Qt graphical experts to join too.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thiago Macieira - thiago (AT) macieira.info - thiago (AT) kde.org
> > > Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center
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