a different way to change board size

[Richard Eisenberg]

Hi all,

After some negative reaction to my proposed change to eliminate the board size cap, I have tried again, in https://gitlab.haskell.org/hf/meta/-/merge_requests/54 . This allows us to vote in a slate of candidates leading to a size greater than 14, but without just dropping the cap entirely. It's a bit more complex, but I think would be easy enough to use in practice. Happy to discuss at tomorrow's meeting.

Richard

[Andres Löh]

Hi Richard.

I'm generally much happier with this method than the originally proposed general lifting of the size limit. There's an aspect of the algorithm I'm still uncertain about and I wanted to re-read the other voting rules ... In particular, is your two-thirds majority function intended to just require two-thirds majority among the submitted votes, or among the eligible members of the corresponding subgroup?

Best,

Andres

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[Andres Löh]

Hi everyone.

I would like to remind you all that as far as I can see, we're currently still short of a 2/3 majority for Richard's second board size change proposal, and the deadline is the 20th, i.e., tomorrow / Wednesday. It's of course possible that there really is no sufficient majority, which is totally fine with me, but I would nearly have forgotten even though I wanted to approve (which I have yesterday), and I thought others might be in a similar situation.

Best,

Andres

[Simon Peyton Jones]

I would like to remind you all that as far as I can see, we're currently still short of a 2/3 majority for Richard's second board size change proposal, and the deadline is the 20th, i.e., tomorrow / Wednesday. It's of course possible that there really is no sufficient majority, which is totally fine with me, but I would nearly have forgotten even though I wanted to approve (which I have yesterday), and I thought others might be in a similar situation.

There is a slight process problem here.  We can vote "yes" by clicking "approve".  But there is no way to vote "no" or "abstain".  I would be much more comfortable if there was -- then we'd know for sure whether everyone had made a conscious choice, or whether the invitation to vote had got submerged for some of us.

Can I suggest that all "no" or "abstain" voters reply direct to Andres to say so -- then he knows who has not yet expressed an opinion at all.  (We all should!  It's part of our job as members of the board.)

 Thanks

Simon

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[Richard Eisenberg]

On Mar 13, 2024, at 9:26 AM, Andres Löh <and...@haskell.foundation> wrote:

 In particular, is your two-thirds majority function intended to just require two-thirds majority among the submitted votes, or among the eligible members of the corresponding subgroup?

It's meant to be the latter. That is, if most of the board misses the vote, then we don't act.

Richard

[Richard Eisenberg]

The rules in force for this vote are at the very bottom of https://gitlab.haskell.org/hf/meta/-/blob/main/board.md?ref_type=heads . They say that interacting with the MR but not clicking Approve is treated as a "no" vote.

As of this writing, everyone who has voted has voted "yes". The following board members have not voted:

- Ed

- Evie

- Emily

- Ryan

- Hazel

- Josh

Please do chime in, folks!

Thanks,

Richard

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[Edward Kmett]

I vote yes.

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[Simon Peyton Jones]

The rules in force for this vote are at the very bottom of https://gitlab.haskell.org/hf/meta/-/blob/main/board.md?ref_type=heads . They say that interacting with the MR but not clicking Approve is treated as a "no" vote.

That's ok -- but I'm arguing, in addition, that no/abstain votes should somehow be explicit, so that the Secretary can remind non-voters.

A non-voter who ignores reminders is treated as no/abstain, fine, but it's bad to have a mechanism that inadvertently trigger a "no" result when all that it means is that members of the board are on holiday, or otherwise unavailable at the particular moment.

Simon

[Andres Löh]

Another update:

(FWIW, I agree with Simon in that I think it's a good idea in general to encourage people to make an explicit statement.)

As far as I can see, we have 9 votes for yes now, still one vote short of a 2/3 majority.

Nobody seems to have voted "no" explicitly, we are still missing any reaction from:

- Evie

- Emily

- Ryan

- Hazel

- Josh

It would be great if as many of you as possible could still give some kind of explicit indication of your vote (yes, no, abstain) today.

Thanks!

Andres

[Hazel Weakly]

My apologies on the late response. I voted yes on the board proposal

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[Ryan Trinkle]

I vote yes, which I think is redundant at this point.

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[Richard Eisenberg]

Great -- thanks, all.

I've merged the MR, accepting the proposal.

Richard

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