Byzantium in NY?

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Charles Anaman

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Dec 11, 2013, 4:07:12 PM12/11/13
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Wouldn't it be nice to see Byzantium in NY competing with Blomberg's  wifi deployment?

Harlem gets WiFi from Bloomberg
Bazantium on a few open-mesh routers with high speed units and some with pigtails linked to omni directional antenas... Seems like a good place to est this for community wireless networking.

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haxwithaxe

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Dec 12, 2013, 10:39:59 AM12/12/13
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byzantium isn't setup for permanent installation. our services have to
meet requirements that aren't problems in a permanent install.
for instance we avoid using user-facing DNS like the plague because name
arbitration is a super messy thing when you don't have a central
authority to decide who can use what name.
we also don't have an openwrt setup yet :P however there are projects
out there that are setup for permanent installs and have openwrt images
available.
commotion wireless is one of those projects
https://commotionwireless.net/
byzantium uses the same routing protocol as commotion and uses the same
ad-hoc wifi settings so you can boot up a byzantium node and extend the
commotion-based network without any manipulation.

On 12/11/2013 04:07 PM, Charles Anaman wrote:
> Wouldn't it be nice to see Byzantium in NY competing with Blomberg's
> wifi deployment?
>
> Harlem gets WiFi from Bloomberg
> http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/10/5197412/harlem-will-soon-be-home-to-the-largest-wifi-network-in-the-us
>
> Bazantium on a few open-mesh <http://www.open-mesh.com> routers with
> high speed units and some with pigtails linked to omni directional
> antenas... Seems like a good place to est this for community wireless
> networking.
>
> Charles A. Anaman
>
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Charles A.A.

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Nov 14, 2020, 12:38:54 PM11/14/20
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Is this project dead now?

Sky

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Nov 14, 2020, 2:04:35 PM11/14/20
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The project is abandoned. If you're interested in mesh, I suggest AREDN. Here in San Francisco those of us who were interested in Byzantium are now on https://SFWEM.NET/ Things have really improved and there is A LOT more mesh activity than when Byzantium was active.

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On 11/14/20 9:38 AM, Charles A.A. wrote:
Is this project dead now?

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Charles Anaman

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Nov 14, 2020, 6:34:41 PM11/14/20
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Thanks!!


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ITechGeek

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Nov 14, 2020, 6:43:44 PM11/14/20
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Note AREDN generally requires ham radio license to run nodes, if I remember correctly it uses standard wifi equipment and frequencies, but goes above wifi power levels.

Sky

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Nov 15, 2020, 2:05:37 PM11/15/20
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The AR in AREDN is Amateur Radio, yes.

We are getting 20km and farther on our links in the San Francisco Bay Area mostly using Ubiquiti equipment.

An amateur radio license is not too hard to get. Databases of test questions and  learning materials are online. Testing is available online. End to end it probably takes 20 hours spread over a couple of months to get licensed.

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The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510]

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Nov 18, 2020, 2:57:16 PM11/18/20
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On Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:05 AM, 'Sky' via Project Byzantium (Emergency Mesh Networking) <Byza...@hacdc.org> wrote:

An amateur radio license is not too hard to get. Databases of test questions and  learning materials are online. Testing is available online. End to end it probably takes 20 hours spread over a couple of months to get licensed.

Who's your intended audience?  That's going to block out most of the Bay Area, most certainly
folks who could use it the most in unprivileged areas.

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Sky

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Nov 18, 2020, 4:22:27 PM11/18/20
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Your point about reaching broader communities is important, and especially so for any public-access net.

SFWEM is a wireless emergency mesh. The goal is to be a secondary line of communication for emergency response and services across the SF Bay Area. It is not a mesh for public Internet access. That's a different beast, and yet both types of mesh must serve broad communities, which has been a high priority for SFWEM. But probably will manifest in ways not so obvious to the general public.

(Byzantium and Red Hook activities were intensely focused on community access, as I recall. Kudos! But not the same emphasis as SFWEM.)

Until March 2020, SFWEM had been building what I'd consider a backbone, and even that is not well developed yet. The next immediate plan is to broaden to what I think you'd call underserved areas. A station can be rolled out to any location, as long as a control operator can control it. SFWEM just last week received a large grant that will provide equipment that could be used for such a build-out. And that is further leveraged by SFWEM (newly) being a 501(c)3 which means companies can fund and (currently do) donate their out-of-date used equipment.

Once COVID is less of an issue, that plan to broaden to more communities is of high priority.

Regulatory issues -- Further to the question about reaching broader communities, as you may know, traffic on amateur radio frequencies must not be encrypted, which means public access would be precluded by FCC rules as most web traffic is encrypted. And it is kind of a hot topic area whether an amateur network can even interconnect with the Internet...except in an emergency it would likely be permitted, especially for emergency traffic. But that encryption restriction has direct consequences for any amateur network.

What SFWEM "learns" of course, could be of importance for those who develop mesh networks on non-amateur frequencies (i.e. normal wi-fi frequencies). I believe this is only an issue of what frequency the mesh uses and thus the allowed power limit on that frequency. SFWEM is operating on Section 97 (amateur) frequencies with higher power.

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