[Approved] Minutes of SMCWG November 05, 2025
Stephen Davidson
## Minutes of SMCWG
November 05, 2025
These are the Minutes of the meeting described in the subject of this message. Corrections and clarifications where needed are encouraged by reply.
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1. Roll Call
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2. Note well: Antitrust / Compliance Statement
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3. Approval of past minutes
The following minutes were approved:
* October 8
* October 17
Minutes provided by Stephen Davidson.
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4. Review Agenda
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5. Discussion
* Topic 1: Impact of changes to DCV in TLS BR
Stephen Davidson noted that email domain control validation came into play in two areas in the S/MIME BR (not mutually exclusive):
a. For verifying the email domains that serve as guardrails on an Enterprise RA
b. For S/MIME issuance
The TLS BR are called in when CAs invoke Method 3.2.2.1 “Validating authority over mailbox via domain”. Stephen noted that the ballot to shrink the reuse period of DCV in the TLS BR is overridden by Section 4.2.1 of the S/MIME BR for the S/MIME use case. However, the pending pending SC-90 to prune phone and email methods might have an impact with the removal of eight methods over the next three years, leaving the following options:
* 3.2.2.4.7 DNS Change
* 3.2.2.4.12 Validating Applicant as a Domain Contact (limited use)
* 3.2.2.4.18 Agreed-Upon Change to Website v2
* 3.2.2.4.19 Agreed-Upon Change to Website - ACME
* 3.2.2.4.20 TLS Using ALPN
* 3.2.2.4.21 DNS Labeled with Account ID - ACME
* 3.2.2.4.22 DNS TXT Record with Persistent Value
The WG had an extended discussion about whether this presented an issue to S/MIME issuers. It was noted that the DNS Change method was now widely adopted in preference to the other manual methods, and that the staged deprecation of the methods should allow adequate time for CAs to prepare. No current action was proposed.
Stephen noted that the group was always interested in proposals that enabled automation or better security of email validation and cert lifecycle.
* Topic 2: draft to allow Mobile driving licence (mDL) for personal vetting
Stephen noted that he had updated the draft ballot based on feedback at the F2F meeting. The WG discussed the draft at https://github.com/cabforum/smime/compare/be9a18ab2b48eb0cbff41d3a268202f700c06c05...f3852310bc61f1d1784482e7ae602052707e56c2
Ben Wilson made suggestions to improve wording on retaining evidence of identity vetting.
Stephen invited potential endorsers to contact him.
Stephen requested that EU Qualified TSPs assist in updating the methods to accommodate the EUDI Wallet.
Scott Rea indicated interested in creating a method allowing use of identity providers under NIST 800-63 (such as via at DirectTrust and Kantara). Stephen invited proposals.
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6. Next meeting:
* November 19, 2025 at 11 am Eastern
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7. Any other business
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8. Adjourn
Attendees:
Adriano Santoni (Actalis S.p.A.), Albert de Ruiter (Logius PKIoverheid), Andreas Henschel (D-TRUST), Andy Warner (Google), Ashish Dhiman (GlobalSign), Ben Wilson (Mozilla), Clint Wilson (Apple), Dustin Hollenback (Apple), Guillaume Amringer (Carillon Information Security Inc.), Inaba Atsushi (GlobalSign), Judith Spencer (CertiPath), Malcolm Idaho (IdenTrust), Marco Schambach (IdenTrust), Nome Huang (TrustAsia), Ono Fumiaki (SECOM Trust Systems), Pekka Lahtiharju (Telia Company), Peter Miskovic (Disig), Renne Rodriguez (Apple), Scott Rea (eMudhra), Sean Huang (TWCA), Stefan Selbitschka (rundQuadrat), Stephen Davidson (DigiCert), Thomas Zermeno (SSL.com), Wendy Brown (US Federal PKI Management Authority), Wiktoria Więckowska (Asseco Data Systems SA (Certum))