If we don't get shut down at Westmoreland

[Lea Jones]

Wouldn't it behoove us to work with the City to install SOUND (and wind) baffles? 

Good acoustic baffling on the east and north sides - the sides we park (just past the gate on the north side) would make a huge difference...

I don't really think you can fight the wind. 

Our group could raise the loot. 

Lea

[Gary H]

I believe the city looked at acoustic baffling and concluded the fence wasn't strong enough to handle the wind load.  Seems to me (as a engineer myself) that vertical I-beams could be fastened to each fence pole for reinforcement to prevent any bending of the poles..  The details and probable modifications at the footings would require further analysis however. That part could get expensive.

Gary

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[larryjeans]

We had the same problem at our RV resort in Palm SPrings.  Same type of lawsuit.   We have over 1200 owned lots, with 13 PB courts.  Just finishing the noise buffer screens.   Had to replace all of the fencing and put in stonger footings for the fence posts.  Cost over $250,000.  Just a comparable problem.

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[Lea Jones]

as someone who is very distractible when it comes to audio, I sympathize with the neighbors.

I was sort of amazed that there were so few complaints (that we Pickleballersheard) for the last five years. 

i'm guessing this notion is now too little too late. 

Might be that the only solution is cutting down the hours to 9 AM till noon. 

https://youtu.be/Gsd430oUct4?si=BjRypySZmylarIW4

This video changed my mind on the question.

[Cal]

A good compromise would be to limit play from 9am to 1pm

I live on W 11th and would jump at the chance of having only four hours of noise =P

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[Gary H]

I noticed in the video, the fence is not very high, compared to WM. The claim was made that the treated fence in the video reduced noise by 50%. It would be interesting to see the data.

Another option: cost-sharing for triple glazed windows in affected homes. My daughter has a house in Burien WA very close to SeaTec airport and a freeway.  The previous owners installed heavy duty triple glazed windows, and I was amazed at how effective they are at sealing out the noise. Her house has AC, so that works in summer. In terms of heating and cooing bills, the windows are very energy efficient as well.  The noise is still there outside in the patio and garden of course.

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[Lea Jones]

Cal et al

The idea of not being able to play at Westmoreland at all is devastating. Pickleball (like music) has helped keep me alive for several years. 

We currently run for 11 hours, so yes... Four hours (9-1) of pickleball play would certainly help... 

Putting up sound baffling around the NE corner of the courts (with gaps between panels to allow for passage of AIR - thus necessitating less structural reinforcement) would also help. 

Providing hearing aids or some sort of electric prods for people waiting to play, so that they could attend to the shouts of "FOUR!!!" on the first or second try could also help... (This is a joke, but SOME of us can get pretty LOUD out there...)

Has anyone walked the neighborhood since we heard about this lawsuit?  Talking with the neighbors couldn't hurt. 

L

[Isabel Dutroncy]

Has anyone hear or used the silent balls? I saw them on Amazon, would be worth trying them, might not be the same but if it helps keep the courts open, compromise is key. 

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[Stewart Apelzin]

I wrote an email to the city today with several options to appease the neighbors.  Wind/Sound netting was one.  I’ve played in a few different places where it effectively cut sound and helped neighbors.  

I have a foam-filled paddle which does cut down on sound… slightly.  The foam balls aren’t much fun for playing.  

As for limiting hours… do we know what hours most affect the neighbors?  If it’s the evening hours, closing at 5 or 6 seems reasonable.

As for the “four” shouts, perhaps a flag at each court could replace the screaming.

-stew

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[Stewart Apelzin]

By the way, here’s a picture that shows netting on courts that I played on in Novato, CA.

[Jeff Seldon]

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Thanks,

 

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[Michelle Momeny]

I don’t live in that area…. But as someone who sleeps in I wouldn’t want play to start until at least 10 am…. So maybe 10-2 hours?  

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[Maureen McCauley]

There are people who play Pickleball that work.  In afternoons and evenings the courts are busy, closing courts at 1or 2 pm would be real issue for a huge number of players. 

I think besides sound mitigation we should stop making suggestions that eliminate people’s ability to participate. 

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I don’t live in that area…. But as someone who sleeps in I wouldn’t want play to start until at least 10 am…. So maybe 10-2 hours?  

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[Susan Schneider]

Can someone please provide the emails of who to  contact to support pickleball at Westmoreland? As neighbors, we rarely play but I enjoy knowing that the park is active and well used, safer than before pickleball, and provides enjoyment for so many. 

Maybe bring petitions around the neighborhood (if only 10 signed the petition about noise, there are likely many who feel otherwise- including us- we refused to sign when these neighbors approached us) 

Thanks, 

Susan 

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[Monica Crawford]

Thank you so much for your support Susan! It might not be a bad idea to petition in the neighborhood as well.

Monica

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[Marni Rapf]

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Susan, 

Thank-you for reaching out. Above are the emails for whom to contact regarding your support of the Westmoreland pickleball courts. If you would like to sign our petition, we should have a petition at the courts in the morning from about 9:30 to 11:00. I would be happy to bring one by your house if you would prefer that. I could do that anytime between 9:30 and 11;00, or 2:30 and 3:00 tomorrow, or another time that is convenient.   Marni

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[Reed N.]

I know most of the people in this thread only play in the morning, but a very large percentage of us only play in the later afternoon/evening. Please stop trying to make these sorts of compromises with regards to further restrictions of the time constraints. This is a public park -- it exists so people can play sports there. There have always been big loud events at Westmoreland long before there were any pickleball courts, and the homeowners knew that when buying their homes. I do not think the city is going to cave that easily.

If the hours are further restricted to only a few hours per day, the courts will be absolutely packed to the brim during those hours, and the waiting times will be ridiculous. There are also many people who work normal hours, and won't be able to play in the morning/early afternoon at all on weekdays. They would only be able to play on weekends when the courts would be overflowing with people, so Westmoreland would essentially become useless for them.

I think it's also worthwhile to note that the city allows construction work all throughout the day up to 7pm, which includes FAR louder noise than pickleball play. For the city to restrict pickleball to only a few hours a day at a large public park that was built for sports would just be plain stupid and inconsistent with their current policies.

Don't let them restrict the hours any further.

[Lea Jones]

if nothing else, we should be able to agree on sound buffers along the Polk Street and 26th St. sides of the courts. 

They apparently make a significant difference.

Although we really like driving by now and then and seeing who's out there. And this Would obstruct that view.

[Lea Jones]

Polk and 20th for sound buffers. 

East and North sides (just past the gates on the North).

And YES to finding ways to interact with the neighbors!! 

[Aaron Anderson]

Game Plan: Fighting This Legal Battle

1. Organize Your Side: Show Pickleball Community Support

Petition: Gather signatures from players and local residents who support the courts. You need more people, more passion.

Personal Stories: Collect written or video testimonies about how the courts improve physical/mental health, foster community, and offer free recreation.

Neighborhood Allies: Ask nearby residents who aren’t bothered by the noise to speak up. The louder the silence from their “silent majority,” the better.

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2. Engage a Noise Expert (Seriously)

Hire or consult with a certified acoustical engineer to:

Challenge the claim that noise exceeds 70 dBA at 100 feet.

Provide comparative data (e.g., lawnmowers, traffic, playgrounds).

Propose mitigation (sound barriers, paddles with reduced noise, scheduled quiet hours).

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3. Offer Compromise Solutions

The City loves solutions over lawsuits. Suggest:

Time restrictions (e.g., no play before 9 AM or after 7 PM).

Quiet paddles only (enforced by signage and peer pressure).

Sound fencing (absorptive barriers or landscaping).

Court limits (staggered use instead of all 8 at once).

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4. Legal Defense Prep

Consult an attorney familiar with municipal or recreational law. A few key defenses:

Recreational Use Doctrine: Many cities protect free public recreation if not negligent.

Reasonableness Standard: "Annoying" doesn’t automatically mean unlawful.

Comparative Noise Defense: Prove parks have many ambient sounds (soccer, dogs, concerts) that exceed pickleball noise.

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5. Leverage City Politics

Email & attend city council meetings. Speak with empathy and reason.

Get other groups involved—YMCA, local businesses, pickleball orgs—who benefit from the park’s vitality.

Emphasize that the new $750k regional complex doesn’t replace the need for local play—it just shows how popular and necessary the sport is.

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6. PR Blitz

Media, baby. Write to the Register-Guard. Post on Reddit/Eugene, Nextdoor, or FB groups.

Push the narrative: “Pickleball is being silenced in Eugene! Seniors, families, and athletes penalized because of a few noise complaints.”

Be the friendly face of pickleball, not the villain. Passion over aggression.

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[John Longchamps]

Roger,

  As a show of good faith - that we are looking to help alleviate the issue by reducing some of the  load at Westmoreland, can we get approval and funding to place 4 portable nets in a locker at the tennis courts on 24th and Amazon? 

  To include getting permanent pickleball court lines added to the west side courts.  This location has a parking lot, and the only adjacent homes are the apartments on the east side.

One other idea.  Do we have anyone on the board who has the right tact to ask the family who initiated the cease and desist if they would be interested in joining us to play / try pickleball?

Maybe they would get a different appreciation of why so many of us enjoy playing.

Just brainstorming and trying to help.  (I.e.  no need for anyone to reply that these were stupid ideas)

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[Beverly Wilson]

The center for dialogue and resolution has Mediation available. Is there anyone here that feels comfortable initiating that process?

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[Ben Brinkley]

Hello, wonderful PB community,

I don't think we should volunteer for appeasement to begin with. Sign the petition and send statements of strong support to mayorcouncila...@eugene-or.gov. This is a complaint representing just five people, and it's also, if you read it, kind of a mess. After all, we could similarly argue that banning pickleball at Westmoreland would reduce the "health, safety and general welfare of the community" that are cited by the land use code. If the City decides to give the complaint credence, then we could talk about mitigation, but it will probably just come down to who lobbies more successfully and forcefully. Remember, the same code protects the public's right to use recreational spaces for lawful recreation. And there has already been a compromise by further restricting the hours of play. I suspect that for hardline complainants, there won't be any acceptable compromise. 

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[Joan]

No stupid ideas, John. I think inviting the disgruntled family to play is a great community building idea - who knows?  they might be surprised at how fun it is and more understanding of the noise. 

Cheers, Joan Honeyman 

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[Michael Tyson]

Effective sound barriers could easily cost over $100,000.  But here’s a thought:

The City of Eugene has evidently pledged $750,00 toward the building of the LCC pickleball complex.  How about they lower that to $650,000 and put 100K toward sound barriers at Westmoreland?  Maybe our club could contribute some also and/or supply some free labor.

I want to see the LCC courts built but realistically, that’s probably still several years away.  Sound barriers could be funded and built in a few months and improve everyone’s experience at Westmoreland with no additional cost to the city.  

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[Lea Jones]

Michael

Are you suggesting fully wrapping the Westmoreland courts with sound baffling? 

The sound traveling west and south is where the problem lies, methinks.

LJ

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[Nancy Boyd]

I wouldn’t count on the City of Eugene funding anything. 

The city released an amended budget addressing an $11.5 million annual gap after it failed to secure a fire service fee intended to bring in $10 million. In the amended proposed budget, $493,000 in cuts were added to Fire and EMS. And over 2 million in police cuts. 

Other proposed cuts include the potential closure of Sheldon Community Center and Amazon Pool, and reductions in funding for CAHOOTS and Greenhill Humane Society. The city is also looking at eliminating vacant positions and reducing temporary and seasonal staff. 

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[Laura Shoe]

I can imagine how popular this will be, but for what it's worth: While I see some of you looking for constructive ways to mitigate the noise, from others here and on FB I am disappointed in the level of dismissal of the impact on residents and placing of your needs above theirs. It's not like these people are the only ones complaining – people are complaining about pickleball noise across the country, and 8 courts open 13 hours a day every day with homes so close, IMO is excessive. One of you mentioned that the city of Eugene allows construction noise. Very true, but no construction site operates for 13 hours a day seven days a week from now until the end of time.

Some of you propose inviting them to come see your perspective. How about trying to see their perspective? Ask to sit in their living room for a few hours - or 13. Think about the idea that for many reasons, others may be much more physically and emotionally impacted by any given level of noise than you are.

Yes, you probably can use the pickleball community's lobbying strength to muscle your way to preserving the status quo, but you could instead choose a more caring and equitable path.

Thanks for reading.

[Nancy Boyd]

Well said Laura, 

I enjoy playing pickleball but, as someone who lives with a person with developmental disabilities whose hearing is literally off the charts i know that living next to a pickleball court would be the cause of severe breakdowns on an hourly and daily basis.  I certainly would not want to live near 1 pickleball court let alone 8. 

i wonder how many players would agree to a pickleball court in their own neighborhood?

With the sharp, high-pitched nature of the “pop” sound of the ball hitting the paddle combined with its relatively high decibel level and the frequent games being played I can empathize with the near-by residents. 

A fellow humans ability to enjoy peace and quiet in their own home far out weighs my opportunity to play a game of pickleball. 

[Reed N.]

Nancy, I would have no problem with people playing in my neighborhood until 8pm. That is a very reasonable time. How many of the people complaining about the noise actually have severe mental breakdowns because of it? I would bet money on the number being zero.

When they bought their home, they knew they were buying it next to a public park with sports facilities and public events that attract many people. That has been going on at Westmoreland for many years before the pickleball courts were even established. If we simply bend to the will of any curmudgeon who complains about any slight annoyance. we will have nothing left.

[Laura Shoe]

I rest my case.

[Nancy Boyd]

Wow.

[Isabel Dutroncy]

Can some one please take me out of this thread? Thank you. 

[Eric Ory]

Same for me.

Thanks,

Eric Ory

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[Lea Jones]

"I've looked at noise from both sides now"... (Joni Mitchell)

A brief story

Our acoustic nirvana over here (around 26th & Kincaid)--six years ago--was destroyed with the introduction of a little yapping dog (on a corner lot just up the street), a creature that spent most of his outdoor hours barking at anything that moved. The little darling was seemingly triggered by passing cars, neighbors on strolls, other dogs, and (possibly) hallucinations. 

His bark made pickleball strikes sound like violin concertos. 

My condition, at the time, included afib (atrial fibrillation) which was triggered in large part by my emotional shifts (I hated that fricking dog). So, being hyper-sensitive to audio, I was NOT happy with this dog's contributions to my cardio-condition. 

Short version: We cured the afib problem (ask me about ablation), and I eventually got over the dog issue. He still barks at us when we walk by. 

What this brings up -- relative to Westmoreland -- is that it seems likely that most of the people in the 20th and Polk area have long since grown accustomed to the hubbub generated by our recreational/therapeutic activities in our public park.

Alternatives (tying back into the 'ablation solution') for the troubled neighbors might include generating 'white noise' (indoors: floor fans, NPR, a yapping dog?, and outdoors: wind chimes, Solar powered splashy water features).

On our end (The Pickleballers), raising the loot to put up some sound baffles would be a good faith gesture that we might have better been looking at several years ago.. And it would actually make a difference relative to noise crossing Polk Street. 

Does anyone have an estimation about how many individuals use the courts in a given month?

Happy pickling!

Lea

[Christine Payne]

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As to escaping this thread… there's that little trashcan icon up at the top of each page… 

Go back to the original post and see if that works.

[Comcast]

And me.

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Same for me.

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[larryjeans]

Our Palm Springs RV resort is just completing our 13 courts to sound screens at a cost of $250,000.  All the current fence polls have to be cut or removed and reanchored to support the wind stress.  I believe an engineer on this site mentioned that would probably  be needed.  Same situation, law suit by 3 lot owners who moved in after PB was established.  Part of the law suit  settlement was that they had to sell and not come back.  Many of us felt we should not have settled,  especially since PB was there before they bought.  Hope this gives a little perspective. 

Larry

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[Trou...@gmail.com]

I certainly pride myself on being empathic and concerned. I have made my living mostly doing that. However, there is a history of people wanting things both ways around public property. They want all the advantages of living near a school or a park. However, they get all bent out of shape when the public uses the public grounds. They act entitled to have the benefits as long as the public doesn't show up. Some people can handle the downsides and the upsides of being near public areas. Many cannot and that is understandable, but their option is to move to somewhere other than beside a public area. 

Additionally, if there were four full court basketball courts there, with lights, and 40 people plus crowds watching we would hear the same things.  I grew up surrounded by woods on all four sides of my parent's house. The local school district bought all of the land on all four sides of us and built a new high school. No, we didn't like it.... we preferred the woods. But we decided that we preferred the school building and all its sports fields surrounding us rather than 50 houses.  Both had pros and cons.  There are plenty of moments when the sound from the PB courts is little or none.  

I appreciate some of the neighbors' frustration or discomfort. However, I do not agree they have the right to shut down public facilities so they can have the park to themselves. They have the right to move elsewhere and allow someone else who can tolerate the public facilities to move in. Public facilities are valuable for the masses, not the private preferences of the neighbors. I can understand some concessions whereby there may be a two hour break from 1-3pm. Or some two hour block.  I left the park at 11:30 today and you could hardly hear anything.  Or maybe the neighbors should fund moving the 8+2 courts 100 yards away further iinto the park. We need to stop apologizing for using a public park. We need opportunities to be together as a public. Come and join us. David

[Mary Herman]

I agree with you. 

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On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 9:51 AM Eric Ory <eric...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Wanda Jane Walker]

Darn, I was hoping it would be that easy!

On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 5:35 PM Isabel Dutroncy <isa.du...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you. I did, but I’m still getting all the emails. I guess I have to wait until a higher power takes me off. 🤣

[Ben Brinkley]

In case this group hasn't seen the recent news articles:

• https://www.opb.org/article/2025/07/12/eugene-neighbors-pickleball-courts-noise/
• https://www.kezi.com/news/local/noise-complaint-sparks-pickleball-debate-in-eugenes-westmoreland-park/article_ee79f9ca-7acf-4f3d-8637-afa5aa77221b.html
• https://lookouteugene-springfield.com/story/latest-news/south-eugene/2025/07/07/westmoreland-pickleball-eugene/

It's interesting that one of the articles reveals that the guy leading the complaint only bought his house near WM last year. I kind of think he should have known. 

Anway, somewhat encouraging that it sounds like there may be some room for negotiation and I'm glad the City at least claims they're not going to act rashly. 

Question: the paper petition has been a success. Thank you to everyone who has been helping with it! I think we could still get even more signatures with an online petition. Do you think non-paper "signers" would be valuable, if only for PR and optics? If so, we could post a flyer at the courts with a QR code pointing to the online petition. 

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[Lea Jones]

Susan 

You'd be amazed. 

Many of us play early in the spring and late in the fall. And sometimes during the dead of winter. 

Winter play all bundled up at 10 or 11 AM or later! 

The less busy hours will be during rain, snow, ice storms and extreme heat. 

On Wed, Jul 9, 2025 at 8:41 AM Susan Round <roun...@gmail.com> wrote:

Seriously, 10 to 2 is a hot time of day to play most summer days.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 6:42 AM 'Maureen McCauley' via Westmoreland Pickleball <westmo...@evpbc.com> wrote:

There are people who play Pickleball that work.  In afternoons and evenings the courts are busy, closing courts at 1or 2 pm would be real issue for a huge number of players. 

I think besides sound mitigation we should stop making suggestions that eliminate people’s ability to participate. 

On Jul 7, 2025, at 9:56 PM, Michelle Momeny <mome...@gmail.com> wrote:

I don’t live in that area…. But as someone who sleeps in I wouldn’t want play to start until at least 10 am…. So maybe 10-2 hours?  

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On Jul 7, 2025, at 16:04, Isabel Dutroncy <isa.du...@gmail.com> wrote:



Has anyone hear or used the silent balls? I saw them on Amazon, would be worth trying them, might not be the same but if it helps keep the courts open, compromise is key. 

El El lun, jul 7, 2025 a la(s) 3:22 p.m., Lea Jones <leajo...@gmail.com> escribió:

Cal et al

The idea of not being able to play at Westmoreland at all is devastating. Pickleball (like music) has helped keep me alive for several years. 

We currently run for 11 hours, so yes... Four hours (9-1) of pickleball play would certainly help... 

Putting up sound baffling around the NE corner of the courts (with gaps between panels to allow for passage of AIR - thus necessitating less structural reinforcement) would also help. 

Providing hearing aids or some sort of electric prods for people waiting to play, so that they could attend to the shouts of "FOUR!!!" on the first or second try could also help... (This is a joke, but SOME of us can get pretty LOUD out there...)

Has anyone walked the neighborhood since we heard about this lawsuit?  Talking with the neighbors couldn't hurt. 

L

On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 2:57 PM Cal <mathr...@gmail.com> wrote:

A good compromise would be to limit play from 9am to 1pm

I live on W 11th and would jump at the chance of having only four hours of noise =P

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On Jul 7, 2025, at 2:36 PM, Lea Jones <leajo...@gmail.com> wrote:



as someone who is very distractible when it comes to audio, I sympathize with the neighbors.

I was sort of amazed that there were so few complaints (that we Pickleballersheard) for the last five years. 

i'm guessing this notion is now too little too late. 

Might be that the only solution is cutting down the hours to 9 AM till noon. 

https://youtu.be/Gsd430oUct4?si=BjRypySZmylarIW4

This video changed my mind on the question.

On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 14:31 larryjeans <larry...@comcast.net> wrote:

We had the same problem at our RV resort in Palm SPrings.  Same type of lawsuit.   We have over 1200 owned lots, with 13 PB courts.  Just finishing the noise buffer screens.   Had to replace all of the fencing and put in stonger footings for the fence posts.  Cost over $250,000.  Just a comparable problem.

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Subject: Re: [Westmoreland]: If we don't get shut down at Westmoreland

I believe the city looked at acoustic baffling and concluded the fence wasn't strong enough to handle the wind load.  Seems to me (as a engineer myself) that vertical I-beams could be fastened to each fence pole for reinforcement to prevent any bending of the poles..  The details and probable modifications at the footings would require further analysis however. That part could get expensive.

Gary

On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 2:11 PM Lea Jones <leajo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Wouldn't it behoove us to work with the City to install SOUND (and wind) baffles? 

Good acoustic baffling on the east and north sides - the sides we park (just past the gate on the north side) would make a huge difference...

I don't really think you can fight the wind. 

Our group could raise the loot. 

Lea

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[Mary Herman]

I am retired, but I agree with you, Maureen, about the hours. I have close pb friends who are still working and early hours only would be unfair to those players.

I also think it might be futuristic to refrain from offering concessions on a website that can be used in the courts. Save it for in person discussions!

[Trou...@gmail.com]

I think it is very impactful to have residents of the area near the park sign up that THEY don't agree with the residents demanding closure. Thanks to those who have already spoken up.  There are people near parks who are well aware of the activities that occur in parks, and accept it. David

[Laura Shoe]

If residents just need substantial breaks from the noise, the city could have it open from 9-3 some days, 3-8 other days, and maybe one day closed. Not every facility should have to meet the needs of every player, and I would hope players would compromise so that everyone's needs are considered.

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[cwat...@nevco-ev.com]

I was walking home from WM as I live near by on Sunday and encountered a fellow watering his lawn across the street from the courts. I asked him what he thought of the noise. He said he is fine with it. He mentioned that about a week ago someone came to his door and wanted him to sign a petition stopping play due to the noise. He refused to sign it. He said the petitioner was surprised. He asked how many signatures he had and the answer was ten. The fellow I was talking to said that another petitioner came by a few days later and it was for support for keeping play a WM which he signed. I don’t know who was the petitioner in that case. I live on Tyler and nobody has come by with a petition either way. I can hear the courts from my house. Generally, I can hear play from 9 to 11 and then it peters out to nothing by 12. It starts up again around 4 and continues until about 7 most days.

Carl

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[Lea Jones]

it doesn't sound like a garbage truck backing up? 

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[Marc Schlossberg]

I think it's an amazing thing to see so many people of so many generations and abilities gather in a single, public community location to enjoy pickleball, a friendly, competitive, social and active activity.  What is missing at WM, and what I think someone mentioned about another location (Palm Springs?), is to add to the PB area with more, not less, family-friendly activities opportunities like play structures, petanque (?), etc. so that even more generations of people can come and utilize this space.  Other parts of the fields have softball and ultimate frisbee and soccer - how lovely to have this community park activated for all kinds of people in our community.  Adding additional bike parking and street calming can reinforce the family-friendliness of the area, celebrating that we are a community that embeds great park space into neighborhood settings that make living adjacent to such a resource makes life so much better than not.  

Just my 2 cents. I have benefited greatly from learning the game from others at WM, meeting so many fantastic people, getting crushed by people 25 years my senior, gently advising newbies, and just being part of an activity that is simultaneously competitive and kind.

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[Beverly Wilson]

Mediation is a way to understand the perspective of others and collaborate about potential solutions.  I don’t know who would be in the position to represent the pickleball community, but I could help to get the ball rolling.

Beverly 

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[mary miller]

Chip Coker is an outstanding mediator but he might not be available right now. He does not play pickle ball so that is a plus.  He just finished teaching the mediation course at the U of O Law School and is past Executive Director of the Center for Dialog and  Resolution - which is another option for you.  Also looking up professional mediators on OMA - Oregon Mediation Association. If you want Chip's contact info please text me.

Mary Miller

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[Susan Round]

Can someone provide me with an electronic version of the pro pickleball petition. Some non pickleball playing friends on Tyler Street wish to sign.

Susan

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[jeff.seldon]

 

Here is a picture of all of the items in lost and found in the orange box at Westmoreland.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Jeff Seldon